Bolton/Conan O'Brian Feud
andrea bachrach
stuff so I won't repeat it here...but the night owls might want to tune
in.
I can't tell if they are friends having a faux feud or if it's real
animosity....
Andrea In Boltonland
My boring website has been updated,
and is floating someplace in cyberspace:
2002 ABI Woman Of The Year;
2002 UCC International Peace Prize;
2000 Cine Golden Eagle: Consultant "Teen Suicide:
Sara's Diary"
Linda
this debacle and, as you said, "it ain't pretty." TV Eyes sends me
the transcripts of anything on tv that mentions the name of Michael
Bolton. You can imagine that my email box has been filled to
overflowing with Conan's commentary. He's really exploiting this
whole thing to the hilt. My son tells me not to worry about it
because one of Hollywood's "eternal verities" is that publicity,
whether positive or negative, brings attention to an artist. He says
that some of the stories about substance abuse, bad press, etc. are so
blown out of proportion that all semblance of fact is lost BUT the
mission is accomplished because the celebrity has managed to
momentarily acquire a share of the public's attention. I doubt very
strongly whether Michael ever made the original statement about Conan
that he was credited with in an interview (something to the effect
that Conan stands out as the one detractor he'd like to hit with a
softball and if he ever encountered him at another softball game, he'd
better watch out because Michael (of all the people in the world)would
hit him in the head with a ball! Conan ran with it even to the point
of having one of his flunkies fall to the ground with a softball next
to his lifeless body. The phone rings and Conan picks it up - it's
Michael singing HAISTLWY! Conan has been claiming that Michael is out
to "kill him." Now that is taking matters too far even for his
pathetic PR ploys!
I've been complaining ad infinitum about Michael's PR. I don't
wonder if it might be his own people permitting, perhaps even
instigating, some of this drivel just to draw attention to him. What
they fail to realize is that he does a great job - a very charismatic
job - of attracting people on his own without their "help." (With
friends like these, who needs enemies?!) He doesn't need, and I do
believe probably doesn't want, that kind of media attention. It does
a lot more potential harm than good especially amongst those people
who believe it verbatim and there are plenty of them, particularly
young people. He champions their cause and then alongs come negative
PR and it appears as if he is being insincere and lacking in
integrity. It's just plain inconsistent with who Michael Bolton has
been, is and is growing to be, to wit, a very spiritual, ethical,
compassionate, and loving divinely-human, humanly-divine, human being.
We, his fans, know this; unfortunately a lot of other people do not.
This kind of "humor" is sick. It isn't funny, humorous, or
remotely intelligent to promote such an image of a man like Michael
Bolton. I'm surprised at Conan; he can't be that desperate for
publicity - can he?! I'm equally surprised that nothing is coming
from the Bolton camp about it. It is now bordering on the slanderous
- giving the world the impression he's a celebrity stalker of other
celebrities?! Oh, come on now - give us all a break and set the
record straight!!! Conan hasn't let up on it in days. You know it's
the old story of the self-fulfilling prophecy - tell someone something
often enough and they'll believe it. I certainly don't think that
erroneous and potentially harmful image of Michael Bolton is one that
should be perpetuated regardless of what the underlying reason. It's
time to put a stop to the madness before somebody really does get hurt
even worse than a mere hit in the head! (At this point, I might do the
honors! <VBG> I can just see Conan reading this and we "fiercely loyal
fans" will be accused as Michael's partners in crime!) Careers rise
and fall on public opinion! It's time to make certain that that
opinion is well-founded and grounded in FACTS not fictions. No PR is
worth the price of adverse public opinion - ask any falling star. <3
Linda
bach...@webtv.net (andrea bachrach) wrote in message news:<25800-3DB...@storefull-2172.public.lawson.webtv.net>...
SistaLuv
>
> It isn't funny, humorous, or
>remotely intelligent to promote such an image of a man like Michael
>Bolton.
actually yes, it is amusing.
Bolton isn't Jesus. He is just a singer.
Angelsnearu
From: SistaLuv 36-26...@hotmail.com wrote>
Bolton isn't Jesus. He is just a singer.
Angelsnearu writes:
We know.....but did you know Conan isn't either?
Have a nice day !
"Michael Bolton is on TOUR NOW !"
http://ourworld.cs.com/angelsnearu/index.htm
SistaLuv
>Subject: Re: Bolton/Conan O'Brian Feud
>From: SistaLuv 36-26...@hotmail.com wrote>
>Bolton isn't Jesus. He is just a singer.
>
>Angelsnearu writes:
>We know.....but did you know Conan isn't either?
>
Neither of them are.
Put it this way, if it was Bolton saying those things about O'Brian,
people in here would laugh and think it was great.
O'Brian is just chain yanking, he's a comedian, it is what they do.
Nobody is sacred.
Hero worship is for fools.
Angelsnearu
wrote>
O'Brian is just chain yanking, he's a comedian, it is what they do.
Angelsnearu writes:
Michael Bolton is also a comedian.
Just ask Rodney Dangerfield. He knows and appreciates Michael Boltons comedy.
Even had Michael Bolton in one of his movies.
From: SistaLuv 36-26...@hotmail.com wrote>
Hero worship is for fools.
Angelsnearu writes:
I KNOW YOU DON'T !!!!
Do you really worship Conan O'Brien?
Nah, try my hero, "GOD". Now theres where He saves SOULS everyday and changes
lives.
I love God (my HERO) with all of my heart.
From: SistaLuv 36-26...@hotmail.com wrote>
Put it this way, if it was Bolton saying those things about O'Brian, people in
here would laugh and think it was great.
Angelsnearu writes:
We're only doing what you people have done for years when Michael Bolton was
the target of Conan O'Briens jokes. Wheres the difference.
Check out your own newsgroup posts.
Its strange to me how O'Briens fans got so defensive when someone joked back
towards Conan O' Brien.
FACT:
Michael Bolton makes ONE LITTLE JOKE back towards Conan O' Brien and the Conan
O' Brien fans come to the alt.fan.michael bolton newsgroup to DEFEND Conan O'
Brien. WHY?
FACT:
The Conan O' Brien FANS took a JOKE Michael Bolton made and tried to create
something entirely different instead of accepting it as a JOKE !!!
FACT:
Stemming from your very own messages from the Conan O'Brien newsgroup, I read
Conan O' Brien did a little skit on his show about the JOKE Bolton made.
FACT:
CONAN O' BRIEN THOUGHT IT WAS FUNNY !!!! Go read your own posts.
Why didn't the Conan O' Brien fans think it was funny?
Thats the REAL QUESTION !
Conan didn't have a problem with it.
FACT:
All these years, Michael Bolton has been a target of Conan O'Briens comments
and when Michael Bolton jokes back, the Conan O' Brien fans start taking his
comments out of context and start posting to the alt.fan.michaelbolton
newsgroup.
Its makes me wonder "are you people to bored with your own newsgroup ?"
From: SistaLuv 36-26...@hotmail.com wrote>
Put it this way, if it was Bolton saying those things about O'Brian,
people in here would laugh and think it was great.
Angelsnearu writes:
Bolton did make a joke.
And yes , the Michael Bolton FANS did laugh and are still laughing.
PROMPT : LIGHTEN UP...and LAUGH A LITTLE ;o)
Have a great day !
SistaLuv
>From: SistaLuv 36-26...@hotmail.com
>wrote>
>O'Brian is just chain yanking, he's a comedian, it is what they do.
>
>Angelsnearu writes:
>Michael Bolton is also a comedian.
>Just ask Rodney Dangerfield. He knows and appreciates Michael Boltons comedy.
>Even had Michael Bolton in one of his movies.
well, Bolton's singing sure makes me laugh out loud sometimes.
so, mission accomplished.
>From: SistaLuv 36-26...@hotmail.com wrote>
>Hero worship is for fools.
>
>Angelsnearu writes:
>I KNOW YOU DON'T !!!!
>
>Do you really worship Conan O'Brien?
ROFL
touche
good one!
>Angelsnearu writes:
>We're only doing what you people have done for years when Michael Bolton was
>the target of Conan O'Briens jokes. Wheres the difference.
>
> Check out your own newsgroup posts.
I have never been to a Conan O'Brian newsgroup, you have me confused
with someone else. I usually dont watch Conan.
>
>FACT:
>Michael Bolton makes ONE LITTLE JOKE back towards Conan O' Brien and the Conan
>O' Brien fans come to the alt.fan.michael bolton newsgroup to DEFEND Conan O'
>Brien. WHY?
dont ask me. sounds like a personal problem.
hero worship sucks.
>FACT:
>The Conan O' Brien FANS took a JOKE Michael Bolton made and tried to create
>something entirely different instead of accepting it as a JOKE !!!
i suspect the O'Brian folks wouldnt exactly consider your telling of
the events FACT.
>FACT:
>Stemming from your very own messages from the Conan O'Brien newsgroup, I read
>Conan O' Brien did a little skit on his show about the JOKE Bolton made.
give it a rest. I'm not from there.
Angelsnearu
well, Bolton's singing sure makes me laugh out loud sometimes.
Angelsnearu writes:
Well Conan O' Briens SINGING makes me laugh so...... I choose to listen to
Michael Bolton.
HEY !
Which song were you listening to?
I must have missed one somewhere....DANG IT...I thought I had heard them all.
You know I believe everyone knows not all people are going to enjoy the same
style of music others might enjoy. That must be why record companies have many
different styles and artists on board.
Who's singing do you appreciate?
Based upon interviews I've watched with Michael Bolton, he is very aware that
not everyone enjoys his music and doesn't expect them to. He just states, "go
someplace else IF you have an issue with his music ".
Heck, thats pretty easy to understand to me.
From: SistaLuv 36-26...@hotmail.com wrote>
I have never been to a Conan O'Brian newsgroup, you have me confused
with someone else. I usually dont watch Conan.
Angelsnearu writes:
Where did you come from then? I thought everyone was either on the Conan O'
Brien newsgroup or the Michael Bolton newsgroup.
Dang you mean there are more newsgroups on the internet. ....ROFL !
From: SistaLuv 36-26...@hotmail.com wrote>
i suspect the O'Brian folks wouldnt exactly consider your telling of the events
FACT
Angelsnearu writes:
Point out ONE fact that I have stated that is incorrect. The information I've
posted actually came from the alt.fan.conan-obrien newsgroup.
FACT:
Conan O' Brien has made MANY JOKES referring to Michael Bolton in the past.
FACT:
Michael Bolton has only made one joke referring to Conan O' Brien.
FACT:
Michael Bolton fans did NOT go to the Conan O'Brien newsgroup and start trying
to defend Michael Bolton when Conan O' Brien started years ago with the jokes.
FACT:
Conan O' Briens fans and others came to the alt.fan.michael-bolton newsgroup
and started defending Conan O' Brien.
Angelsnearu
Opening of the show:
Conan walks out on stage....the audience is filled to capacity.....he tells a
joke and makes reference towards Michael Bolton....Opps....he looks in the
audience....OPPS...they all have a SOFTBALL in their hands. He must be at a
Michael Bolton concert in this dream....LOL!
Angelsnearu
Since I've never watched Conan O' Brien and I do believe in keeping things
fair and balanced, tonight I'm going to record
Conan O' Brien and watch it in the morning and give an honest opinion about his
show.
This should be interesting.
Angelsnearu
Bolton isn't Jesus.
Angelsnearu writes:
But is Conan a God?
Check out this Website:
http://www.angelfire.com/ca2/stephlikes/ConanIsGod.html
Angelsnearu
Angelsnearu writes:
But is Conan a God?
Read em' and weep.....
The Conan Church:
http://www.gigglebounce.com/conan/
The Conan Bible:
http://www.gigglebounce.com/conan/bible/
http://www.angelfire.com/ca2/stephlikes/ConanIsGod.html
I rest my case.
Angelsnearu
From: SistaLuv <36-26...@hotmail.com wrote>
well, Bolton's singing sure makes me laugh out loud sometimes.
so, mission accomplished.
Angelsnearu writes:
Hey...I'm a little surprised at this comment, especially after reading you are
in a rock band.
Michael Bolton has two albums called :
*1979's "Blackjack"
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=A68q4g4gttvjz
* 1980's "Worlds Apart."
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=A1z6qoarabijn
Guess who else was plays ROCK and worked with Paul Stanley and Bruce Kulick?
Yep ! You got it ! MICHAEL BOLTON and he plays one more MEAN GUITAR !
He can make a guitar TALK !
1. Have you ever worked with Paul Stanley or Bruce Kulick ?
2. Have you ever written a song that "KISS"recorded and performed?
Michael Bolton HAS :o)
_______________________________
REFERENCE POST:
From: SistaLuv <36-26...@hotmail.com>
Newsgroups: alt.music.country.classic
Subject: newbie question
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2002 09:38:06 -0500
Message-ID: <m6aisukpkad14q12u...@4ax.com>
Angelsnearu writes:
I read your post on the alt.music.country.classic newsgroup and you mentioned
you are in a hard rock band.
COOL ! I wish you and your band great success !
Have you ever heard any of Michael Boltons rock music?
MICHAEL BOLTON and PAUL STANLEY wrote the song, "FOREVER " together.
The song is on their album titled:
" HOT IN THE SHADE" and its on the "ALIVE III" album also.
Reference Website:
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&uid=SEARCH&sql=Ahc851vjjzzua
Check out Bruce Kulicks website and look who was playing with Michael Bolton in
the band.
BRUCE KULICK.
Check out the credits on these albums:
Bruce Kulick are among them.
http://www.kiss-related-recordings.nl/michaelbolton_first.html
http://www.kiss-related-recordings.nl/michaelbolton_hunger.html
Angelsnearu
You know I believe everyone knows not all people are going to enjoy the same
style of music others might enjoy.
Angelsnearu writes again:
Based upon your response to a poster on the alt.music.queen newsgroup you agree
with my thinking on this matter.
Reference Post:
From: SistaLuv (36-26...@hotmail.com)
Subject: Re: The Most Embarassing Queen Album Is...
Newsgroups: alt.music.queen
Date: 2002-11-06 07:25:48 PST
Message ID: <n3disu8abjk4qgpvq...@4ax.com>
Allen Brand
The guests are Rebecca Romijn-Stamos, Dennis Haybert and musical guest
Spoon. This show will be great just because of Rebecca. Conan's
interaction / flirtation with her is the stuff legends are made of.
"Angelsnearu" <angel...@cs.com> wrote in message
news:20021106221330...@mb-ca.news.cs.com...
SistaLuv
>From: SistaLuv 36-26...@hotmail.com wrote>
>well, Bolton's singing sure makes me laugh out loud sometimes.
>
>Angelsnearu writes:
>Well Conan O' Briens SINGING makes me laugh so...... I choose to listen to
>Michael Bolton.
> HEY !
>Which song were you listening to?
>I must have missed one somewhere....DANG IT...I thought I had heard them all.
I havent heard that many, only the ones on the radio. Recently we
heard him singing "Georgia" on the radio, at a fast food restaurant
over the intercom off the side of the highway somewhere in Georgia,
and someone remarked, man, that guy just destroyed our state song. LOL
He sings very well. It's just a little too melodramatic for me,
personally. Do you really need all those Ohhhhhhhhhhh yeeeahhhhhhhhhh
ooooooooooooo bayyyyyybbbeeeeeeeee ooooooooooooooooo voclas in there?
why not just let the band shine for a bit? I dunno. Some people love
that sort of thing.
>Who's singing do you appreciate?
Oh, i can appreciate anybody who was just lucky enough to be born with
a golden voice. That doesnt mean i like them. And I certainly admire
and respect any singer who can also play the hell out of an
instrument. At the same time. That limits the playing field
considerably doesnt it ;-)
>Based upon interviews I've watched with Michael Bolton, he is very aware that
>not everyone enjoys his music and doesn't expect them to. He just states, "go
>someplace else IF you have an issue with his music ".
> Heck, thats pretty easy to understand to me.
yeah, it's funny the way he tells people what to do. "Go away if you
have an issue".
the intent was good, the wording just sort of sounded rather
egomaniacal. If he indeed said that.
>Angelsnearu writes:
>Where did you come from then? I thought everyone was either on the Conan O'
>Brien newsgroup or the Michael Bolton newsgroup.
>Dang you mean there are more newsgroups on the internet. ....ROFL !
>
I just wandered in here. I was searching for somehting else and
stumbled upon your little cul de sac on the internet.
suffice it to say i made a wrong turn in albequerque.
>FACT:
>Conan O' Brien has made MANY JOKES referring to Michael Bolton in the past.
>
>FACT:
>Michael Bolton has only made one joke referring to Conan O' Brien.
>
>FACT:
>Michael Bolton fans did NOT go to the Conan O'Brien newsgroup and start trying
>to defend Michael Bolton when Conan O' Brien started years ago with the jokes.
>
>FACT:
>Conan O' Briens fans and others came to the alt.fan.michael-bolton newsgroup
>and started defending Conan O' Brien.
FACT: I couldnt care less.
They are celebrities and they each get what they ask for and deserve:
attention from empty headed fans who take it seriously, like it is
THEIR ISSUE.
SistaLuv
>From: angel...@cs.com wrote>
>You know I believe everyone knows not all people are going to enjoy the same
>style of music others might enjoy.
>
>Angelsnearu writes again:
>Based upon your response to a poster on the alt.music.queen newsgroup you agree
>with my thinking on this matter.
>
sure. Freddie Mercury was 5 million times the musician Michael Bolton
is.
SistaLuv
>
>Angelsnearu writes:
>But is Conan a God?
>
>Read em' and weep.....
>
>The Conan Church:
>http://www.gigglebounce.com/conan/
>
>The Conan Bible:
>http://www.gigglebounce.com/conan/bible/
>
>http://www.angelfire.com/ca2/stephlikes/ConanIsGod.html
>
these people desperately need to get a life.
SistaLuv
>Guess who else was plays ROCK and worked with Paul Stanley and Bruce Kulick?
>
>Yep ! You got it ! MICHAEL BOLTON and he plays one more MEAN GUITAR !
> He can make a guitar TALK !
wow. that is pretty kewl. I had no idea. You learned me something.
What song was it? I'd like to hear that.
>
>1. Have you ever worked with Paul Stanley or Bruce Kulick ?
No I have not, honestly.
>
>2. Have you ever written a song that "KISS"recorded and performed?
>
>Michael Bolton HAS :o)
No, but so has Dianne Warren, and personally i cant STAND her stuff.
This is like saying, Mozart and Rembrandt sucked because they died
penniless and the Academy banished them.
I'm not saying Michael Bolton is no damn good. Sure, he is extremely
gd at what he does.I'm just saying I dont care for a lot of his stuff.
There is a difference. We have a CD coming out in a month and you
might not like it either, but i think we did a good job.
>I read your post on the alt.music.country.classic newsgroup and you mentioned
>you are in a hard rock band.
>COOL ! I wish you and your band great success !
you certainly are everywhere arent you! wow.
>
>Have you ever heard any of Michael Boltons rock music?
>
>MICHAEL BOLTON and PAUL STANLEY wrote the song, "FOREVER " together.
ICK. I HATE THAT SONG. ROFL
>Check out the credits on these albums:
> Bruce Kulick are among them.
>
>http://www.kiss-related-recordings.nl/michaelbolton_first.html
>
>http://www.kiss-related-recordings.nl/michaelbolton_hunger.html
Kulick certainly can play his ass off.
SistaLuv
>From: SistaLuv 36-26...@hotmail.com wrote>
>Bolton isn't Jesus.
>
>Angelsnearu writes:
>But is Conan a God?
>
no of course not, thats insane.
Angelsnearu
will try to catch this show on one of these times.
It appears they will be repeating the show twice on the Comedy Channel.
__________________________________
Show: Late Night with Conan O' Brien
Episode: 11/06/2002
Network: (COM) Comedy Central
*Date: Thursday - November 07, 2002
*Time: 7:00 pm -8:00 pm ET
Featured Artists
Spoon
______________________________
Rebecca Romijn-Stamos, Dennis Haysbert, musical guest Spoon.
Episode: 11/06/2002
*11/08/02 1:00 pm ET COM
Late Night with Conan O' Brien
Spoon
Angelsnearu
Message-id: <je1lsucs3knk22v8l...@4ax.com>
wow. that is pretty kewl. I had no idea. You learned me something.
What song was it? I'd like to hear that.
Angelsnearu writes:
There are MANY songs but I think I'll let you do your own research on this.
I've got to get back to my web pages and e-mail.
You will be surprised at what your going to find out.
From: SistaLuv 36-26...@hotmail.com wrote>
I'm not saying Michael Bolton is no damn good. Sure, he is extremely
gd at what he does.I'm just saying I dont care for a lot of his stuff. There
is a difference.
Angelsnearu writes:
Yes he is a very talented performer in many areas . Just a few to mention are
song writing, singing, producing, recording, acting, teaching vocal training
and in taking his professional talent and making it work for under-priviledged
and abused women and children through a charity.
From: SistaLuv 36-26...@hotmail.com wrote>
We have a CD coming out in a month and you
might not like it either, but i think we did a good job.
Angelsnearu writes:
Congratulations ! If you put your whole heart and soul into your music while
creating your CD I'm sure its already a great CD of music. While some might
not enjoy it , who cares what they think !!!!
As long as you gave it your best that is all that matters :o)
Go with the ones that support your music !
Suggestion :
Create a newsgroup for your group and put up a website with some samples of the
songs found on your music CD.
I'll be the first to check it out :o)
Angelsnearu
Message-id: <%8oy9.31381$VJ5.1...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ............ you will enjoy tonight's show. (sorry I
had to censor your post a little)
The guests are Rebecca Romijn-Stamos, Dennis Haybert and musical guest
Spoon. This show will be great just because of Rebecca. Conan's interaction /
flirtation with her is the stuff legends are made of.
Angelsnearu writes:
I did watch Conans show the next day as I said I would do. In fact I watched
two shows to give it double the chance.
While I did enjoy parts of the first show this is what I found from my
viewing.
Conan makes jokes about himself ALOT !
That grows old very fast .
I wonder if he does this in hopes of getting the ones he makes fun of.... to
accept his remarks better. I just don't find this to be comedy at all.
Anyone can stand up in front of someone and
ridicule themselves and others to pieces in front of an audience.
I was totally NOT entertained when he was making fun of religion or religious
beliefs.
I was in hopes he would have MORE AUDIENCE participation . The camera never
swung to the audience. I think he could do ALOT more great comedy with
personal contact with his audience members.
You know ...the one on one thing.
Wheres the AUDIENCE?
Do they ever show the audience in his shows?
I will say he is getting great airing of his programs from the re-runs of the
shows !!!
The Interviews:
I thought he was great at interviewing some of the guests. He kept things
light and airy and I actually laughed. I found this to be where his greatest
comedy truly was.
He goes a little more into detail than I care for (below the belt) but all in
all, I would say I enjoyed the interview parts the best. The guy from the show
"24" has a great speaking
voice and really played along with the voice changes they made ! I thought the
electronic voice changes were so funny !!!
1. I believe Conan could be a greater comedian IF he would stop making fun of
himself and others so much. He appears to use alot of SNL tactics with his
remarks and I think he could do alot better creating his own tactics.
2. If he would take things from the NEWS MEDIA and make comedy about those
things in life, I believe his comedy would be a greater success.
I did notice he had more applause from the audience when he was referencing sex
and alcohol so.... I think you are definitely talking about a younger crowd in
his audiences.
We went to the Wild Adventures Theme Park yesterday and I wish you could have
seen the Sheriff Skit they performed.
There was this one actor who was the most gober-ish actor but he had everyone
in the bleachers totally hurting from laughing to much and so hard !!!!!
**** His suggestions were mostly IMPLIED SUGGESTIONS and totally left it to
the imagination of the guests viewing the show,
as to how they took the comment.
This was great comedy skit !!! It could be viewed by children and adults.
When you limit your comedy towards sex and violence or making fun of people or
yourself, you'll also limit your audience and ratings!!!
I believe Conan could do alot better if he would do the same with his context
of jokes.
My question is "why are talk-show hosts trying to be comedians in the first
place."
I would rather the show hire a comedian to perform on each show and then let
the talk-show hosts do what their job title speaks of. I'm sure their are alot
of new comedians out there who would JUMP at the chance just to have a
two-three minute spot for "free" on their show.
I believe Conan has the intelligence and sense of humor to really take comments
and make " implied statements" to get some laughs but still...... leave the
audience an imagination as to how they will take the comment.
There are so many people in todays comedian positions who are NOT leaving
anything to the imagination of the viewer. (Movies are doing the same exact
thing.)
They believe the dirtier they talk or the dirtier
their remarks someone will laugh and call it comedy.
Well its not !
The IMAGINATION of viewers have been totally taken out of comedy and movies in
todays scripts by using sexual and violence over-tones to create faster sells.
Where are the creative people who take pride in allowing the viewers to use a
little imagination stemming from their work.
The pockets of these so-called writers are full and the viewers imaginations
have been stolen.
It's in our acceptance by purchasing their non-creative ideas that feed them to
write and create more of the same.
Just my humble opinions.....thats all. ;o)
Allen Brand
> I did watch Conans show the next day as I said I would do. In fact I
watched
> two shows to give it double the chance.
> While I did enjoy parts of the first show this is what I found from my
> viewing.
>
> Conan makes jokes about himself ALOT !
> That grows old very fast .
> I wonder if he does this in hopes of getting the ones he makes fun of....
to
> accept his remarks better. I just don't find this to be comedy at all.
I believe that I warned you about that.
> Anyone can stand up in front of someone and
> ridicule themselves and others to pieces in front of an audience.
You are right anyone can ridicule themselves, but he wasn't ridiculing, he
was laughing about his shortcomings. THis is a man who knows he is very
fortunate to be where he is given his short commings, and he thanks the
audience and executives who got him where he is. He knows he is just a man
and really anyone could be where he is and do what he is doing.
> I was totally NOT entertained when he was making fun of religion or
religious
> beliefs.
I beleive what you are referin to was when he was rambling on abou how he is
the most influencial person ever. This was sarcasm, you could tell it in
his voice that he did not really believe any of it.
> I was in hopes he would have MORE AUDIENCE participation . The camera
never
> swung to the audience. I think he could do ALOT more great comedy with
> personal contact with his audience members.
About 3 times a week he does a comedy rutiene where one of his performers is
pretending to be an audience member and chaos insues. My personal favorite
is the middle-aged man who loves all the guests that will be on the next
day, but he can't come back tomarrw becuase he is leavign town, so he yells
really load, beats up the person sitting next to him and once he even
intentionally angered a cobra.
> You know ...the one on one thing.
> Wheres the AUDIENCE?
I believe htey are on teh other side of the camera.
> Do they ever show the audience in his shows?
Yes.
>
> I will say he is getting great airing of his programs from the re-runs of
the
> shows !!!
That is becuase he is popular.
> The Interviews:
> I thought he was great at interviewing some of the guests. He kept things
> light and airy and I actually laughed. I found this to be where his
greatest
> comedy truly was.
I agree he is genuine in his interviews. His interactions with his guests
are second to none. My favorite guests are Rebecca and Jarod Miller, the
youngst animal expert ever. He is like 17 years old and he always brings
good interesting animals that no one that age should ever handle.
> He goes a little more into detail than I care for (below the belt) but
all in
> all, I would say I enjoyed the interview parts the best. The guy from the
show
> "24" has a great speaking
> voice and really played along with the voice changes they made ! I
thought the
> electronic voice changes were so funny !!!
Yes very intertaining.
>
> 1. I believe Conan could be a greater comedian IF he would stop making
fun of
> himself and others so much. He appears to use alot of SNL tactics with
his
> remarks and I think he could do alot better creating his own tactics.
Well he was a writer on SNL so that would make sense.
> 2. If he would take things from the NEWS MEDIA and make comedy about
those
> things in life, I believe his comedy would be a greater success.
He does do that! When the president stops by to chat, or even Saddam those
are classics. His monologue is packed with political and meida types jokes.
> I did notice he had more applause from the audience when he was
referencing sex
> and alcohol so.... I think you are definitely talking about a younger
crowd in
> his audiences.
I know that I told you about his audience, and who watches his show.
>
> We went to the Wild Adventures Theme Park yesterday and I wish you could
have
> seen the Sheriff Skit they performed.
>
> There was this one actor who was the most gober-ish actor but he had
everyone
> in the bleachers totally hurting from laughing to much and so hard !!!!!
>
> **** His suggestions were mostly IMPLIED SUGGESTIONS and totally left it
to
> the imagination of the guests viewing the show,
> as to how they took the comment.
>
> This was great comedy skit !!! It could be viewed by children and
adults.
Last time I checked children shouldn;t be watching Conan in the first place.
>
> When you limit your comedy towards sex and violence or making fun of
people or
> yourself, you'll also limit your audience and ratings!!!
When does conan joke about violence? As for limiting his ratings I believe
that his time slot on NBC does that for him.
> I believe Conan could do alot better if he would do the same with his
context
> of jokes.
> My question is "why are talk-show hosts trying to be comedians in the
first
> place."
They are "trying" to be comedians becuase that is where they got thier
start, comedy. Leno, Letterman, Paar, Carson, etc. all started out as
comedians. Kilborn and Conan started as writers for comedy shows. The
networks hire these types of popel becuase they add a more interesting and
fun dimention to their interviews, instead of teh stale Barbra Walters, and
other news shows interviews.
>
> I would rather the show hire a comedian to perform on each show and then
let
> the talk-show hosts do what their job title speaks of. I'm sure their are
alot
> of new comedians out there who would JUMP at the chance just to have a
> two-three minute spot for "free" on their show.
Those are the cast of characters that tehy use. Every show has them, that
way the host is not the only one in charge for getting laughs.
Anthony J. Bertorelli
> Based upon interviews I've watched with Michael Bolton, he is very aware
that
> not everyone enjoys his music and doesn't expect them to. He just states,
"go
> someplace else IF you have an issue with his music ".
> Heck, thats pretty easy to understand to me.
Coming out of LURK MODE, one of the things I have noticed (and this may have
been brought up before) is that there are two groups of people. One group
loves Michael Bolton emmensley, and the other group hates him with a
passion. Like John Tesh, Yanni, and Barry Manilow (to name a few), he is
one of those love-or-hate musicians.
Oddly enough, there is a website that accuses John Tesh of being an evil
alien sent from another planet to destroy music. Go figure.
Angelsnearu
One group loves Michael Bolton emmensley, and the other group hates him with a
passion.
Angelsnearu writes:
Nah...this isn't a love-hate relationship where Michael Boltons Music is
concerned.
I watched this thing start years ago.
People/Critics in the MEDIA making very RUDE comments about a singer named
Michael Bolton just.... to try to gain ATTENTION and to boost their own POOR
ratings.
Yes, there are those who love Michael Boltons Music and then there are those
who bought into the VH-1 negative media BRAIN-WASHING marketing tactics against
him and other adult contemporary artists.
It wasn't just Michael Bolton, there were other adult contemporary singers who
were the target of the VH-1 negative media attack as well.
They were trying to change their video format to attract younger people.
** You don't see adult contemporary music videos on their station anymore.
Radio stations picked up on these remarks as well as alot of young people .
It sickens me to realize just how many young people won't control their own
thought process and allows the media to brain- wash them like a little puppy.
Its one thing to listen to the music and dislike it but just to accept what
someone else states about the music is totally wrong.
Lets see....then it was the hair.
Well he doesn't have long hair anymore so that couldn't be it.
Then someone brought up the subject of not liking his newer renditions of the
classic songs.
If this were the case, then you would have to point a finger at almost every
singer out there in the music business. EVERYONE has been and still are making
newer renditions/remakes of classic songs.
* I'm positive the writers of those songs smiled all the way to the bank.
Then I've heard it was the love songs he sang. Now this is very strange because
he sang and played ROCK MUSIC for years and wrote for some of the top
performing singers before he ever became a performing singer himself.
So I would say, the singer earned the right to sing anything he wants to and
deserves the
" RESPECT" for his position in the music industry and for being a
professional singer.
He never deserved all the CRAP that was written and spoke about him.
He put in the hours and work so let the man just sing his music.
"Michael Bolton is on TOUR NOW !"
http://ourworld.cs.com/angelsnearu/index.htm
"Sample the Music - Michael Boltons Albums"
http://ourworld.cs.com/angelsnearu/page17.htm
Allen Brand
> Subject: Re: Bolton/Conan O'Brian Feud
> From: "Anthony J. Bertorelli" shadow...@ocsnet.net wrote>
>
> One group loves Michael Bolton emmensley, and the other group hates him
with a
> passion.
>
> Angelsnearu writes:
> Nah...this isn't a love-hate relationship where Michael Boltons Music is
> concerned.
You know you are right I just plain love to hate this guy. It is so much
fun.
> I watched this thing start years ago.
> People/Critics in the MEDIA making very RUDE comments about a singer named
> Michael Bolton just.... to try to gain ATTENTION and to boost their own
POOR
> ratings.
Ratings and Bolton comments/jokes have absolutly nothing to with each other.
Not one single person goes hey this TV show made fun of Bolton so I am gonna
start watching it! That ust doesn't happen.
> Yes, there are those who love Michael Boltons Music and then there are
those
> who bought into the VH-1 negative media BRAIN-WASHING marketing tactics
against
> him and other adult contemporary artists.
Please explain then why I, who was 5 the last time I watched VH-1, still
infact dislike the majority of this "new age" music that is being passed on
as being contemarary when it is the same crap they have been shelling out
for decades.
> It wasn't just Michael Bolton, there were other adult contemporary
singers who
> were the target of the VH-1 negative media attack as well.
> They were trying to change their video format to attract younger people.
The video format ALWAYS atracted a younger audience. Brigh flashing lights,
beaautiful people, moviing images. What is tehre not to love? Adults on
teh other hand, prefeer their listening to be more mellow and laid back,
like the music they listened to growing up on their radios. These companies
have always aimed for younger age groups, with the styles of music they
play, the ads they run, the vjs that are on their networks and even teh non
music related show they run are all geared towards young poeple by
showcasing young people.
>
> ** You don't see adult contemporary music videos on their station anymore.
>
> Radio stations picked up on these remarks as well as alot of young people
.
> It sickens me to realize just how many young people won't control their
own
> thought process and allows the media to brain- wash them like a little
puppy.
Why discuss radio when he obviously states the word "music videos"? As for
your thoughts on the brainwashign of young people, I must say that is not
the case. Young people have this gene injected into tehir DNA that makes
them rebel against everything their parents enjoy and what their parents are
once they reach teh age of puberty. They don't like what you like not
becuase they are brainwashed but becuase you are old and what old people
enjoy is not cool.
> Its one thing to listen to the music and dislike it but just to accept
what
> someone else states about the music is totally wrong.
Here is an idea maybe tehy heard someoen preform teh style of music that
Bolton plays, and they did not enjoy it. Thus they assumed that all of that
style of music is pure crap. Is that wrong? I say no it is not. That is
the case of many of the young people, like myself who do not care for
Bolton's trivial crap. It has nothing to do with listening to what other
people say about a certain performer it has to do with the type of music
they play and the type of music they enjoy.
> Lets see....then it was the hair.
> Well he doesn't have long hair anymore so that couldn't be it.
Sorry but my image of Bolton he still has teh hair. It does not matter what
he did to his hair after he had it for so long. The image that people have
of Bolton who are not one of his Boltonites still see the freakishly long
hair.
> Then someone brought up the subject of not liking his newer renditions of
the
> classic songs.
So people prefeer the originals to cheap knockoffs. WHat is wrong with
that?
> If this were the case, then you would have to point a finger at almost
every
> singer out there in the music business. EVERYONE has been and still are
making
> newer renditions/remakes of classic songs.
I didn't liek P Diddy's rendition of that Police song that he dedicated to
his pal the Notorious B.I.G., as well as many other remakes. Prince's
version of When Doves Fly is far supirior to Genuine's.
> * I'm positive the writers of those songs smiled all the way to the bank.
>
> Then I've heard it was the love songs he sang. Now this is very strange
because
> he sang and played ROCK MUSIC for years and wrote for some of the top
> performing singers before he ever became a performing singer himself.
No it is just the style he sings. the "rock music" you are refeering to was
nothing but ROCK BALLADS. Far different from ROCK MUSIC. Ballads are
softer and non threatening. Rock music is much more louder and full of
inuendo.
> So I would say, the singer earned the right to sing anything he wants to
and
> deserves the
> " RESPECT" for his position in the music industry and for being a
> professional singer.
> He never deserved all the CRAP that was written and spoke about him.
You know this is a statement that I like to make when someone states that
they don't like me, You might not like me but you will damn sure respect me.
There is a HUGE difference between like and respect. I RESPECT everything
that Bolton has done as a person, as a musician however I loathe him. THAT
is what gives me the right to say what i do about him and mean it. Jokes do
nothing to attack a person, once you understand that it was meant as a joke.
Ever heard the phrase "Imittation is the sincerest form of flattery"? That
is all these jokes are. Would you rather thay made fun of someone else and
tehn give all this free publicity to them instead of the almighty Bolton?
No I don't think so.
> He put in the hours and work so let the man just sing his music.
These comedians put in hours of work so just let these people joke.
juliet
I never watch Conan or any similar types of shows. If I saw this show with
these jokes I wouldn't have thought much about it. That's why the shows don't
interest me much, so I just don't watch them. I think jokes can be quite
hurtful to sensitive people though.
Anyway, I love a lot of Michael Bolton's songs & went to a concert of his with
my dad. I didn't buy into any image or whatever you were talking about
somewhere in this thread... I simply buy whatever I like. What I feel like
listening to varies tremendously. My dad does like his music too, but I didn't
find this out until after I had bought some of his albums.
Hi to everyone else here too..
I just lurk here sometimes... I think Michael Bolton has some very beautiful
songs! I have 5 of his albums, including the new one. I was wondering, who is
that guy who plays the saxophone at the Michael Bolton concert? He was really
good.
Gail
>that guy who plays the saxophone at the Michael Bolton concert? He was
>really
>good.
Yes, his name is Scott Mayo and he is terrific. He has his own website if you
want to check it out:
Gail ~ż~
Michael's Place
http://members.aol.com/Jigadake/index.html
Angelsnearu
From: julie...@aol.comromeo (juliet) wrote>
I think jokes can be quite hurtful to sensitive people though.
Phyllis writes:
I think its safe to say you and I feel the same way on this matter of
sensitivity. I have never thought making fun of someone could be called a
joke. Seems more like a personal attack on someone's career or character. I
guess some people just have different definitions of a joke. I don't find
laughing at comments made about other people funny at all.
From: julie...@aol.comromeo (juliet) wrote>
Anyway, I love a lot of Michael Bolton's songs & went to a concert of his with
my dad.
Phyllis writes:
Hey which concert did you attend? What was your favorite songs he performed?
From: julie...@aol.comromeo (juliet) wrote>
My dad does like his music too, but I didn't
find this out until after I had bought some of his albums.
Phyllis writes:
WOW ! Your one lucky girl !
From: julie...@aol.comromeo (juliet) wrote>
Hi to everyone else here too..
Phyllis writes:
Hello to you also :o)
From: julie...@aol.comromeo (juliet) wrote>
I just lurk here sometimes...
Phyllis writes:
Join in anytime. We would love to have your imput ! :o)
From: julie...@aol.comromeo (juliet) wrote>
I was wondering, who is
that guy who plays the saxophone at the Michael Bolton concert? He was really
good.
Phyllis writes:
Yes he played great as well as all of the other musicans.
Here are a few photos of him performing.
http://michaelboltonphotos.com/2002Tour/JanG/JanGWinston-Salem/images/w-s04.jpg
http://michaelboltonphotos.com/2002Tour/JanG/JanGWinston-Salem/images/w-s17.jpg
http://michaelboltonphotos.com/2002Tour/RobinS/Salem/images/Untitled-7.jpg
Make sure you check out all of the Concert 2002 Tour Photos the fans are
putting online.
I believe you will enjoy viewing them.
http://michaelboltonphotos.com/2002Tour.htm
Have a great weekend !
Phyllis
juliet
Thanks for the link to the Scott Mayo website.
Phyllis,
Yeah, people have different definitions of a joke. What one person may find
hilarious, another person finds stupid. Celebrities are always the targets for
jokes and rude comments. My opinion about it is kind of a combination of both
yours & Allen's though. Michael Bolton probably reacted so much to this joke
in particular because he & Conan see each other at some softball games or
something (?) and because Michael Bolton really loves singing opera music
right? so it must be upsetting to hear a joke like that.
I went to the Gold Country Casino concert. Although I also went to that Costa
Mesa signing, but not to the Costa Mesa concert. That must sound really weird.
My favorites that he performed were: Time, Love & Tenderness, Steel Bars, Said
I Loved You But I Lied, I Wanna Hear You Say It, & How Can We Be Lovers. What
are your favorites? My favorites he didn't sing at the concert are: Soul of my
Soul, It's Only My Heart, This is the Way, Slowly, You Wouldn't Know Love,
Forever Isn't Long Enough...kind of hard to choose favorites, but out of all of
his songs, my most favorite is Soul of my Soul. That song is absolutely
beautiful.
Thanks for the links to the photos of Scott Mayo performing.
Allen Brand
"juliet" <julie...@aol.comromeo> wrote in message
news:20021125172637...@mb-df.aol.com...
> Gail,
>
> Thanks for the link to the Scott Mayo website.
>
> Phyllis,
> Yeah, people have different definitions of a joke. What one person may
find
> hilarious, another person finds stupid. Celebrities are always the
targets for
> jokes and rude comments. My opinion about it is kind of a combination of
both
> yours & Allen's though. Michael Bolton probably reacted so much to this
joke
> in particular because he & Conan see each other at some softball games or
> something (?) and because Michael Bolton really loves singing opera music
> right? so it must be upsetting to hear a joke like that.
Actually I hear that Bolton was more pissed because Conan would act nice
around him during these softball games and then crack jokes on his TV show.
Just had to clarify that.
perhaps Bolton would prefer it if Conan had him on as a guest every time
Conan made fun of him. Of course then Bolton would be on Conan more than Al
Roker.
Allen
Angelsnearu
Michael Bolton probably reacted so much to this joke in particular because he
& Conan see each other at some softball games or
something (?) and because Michael Bolton really loves singing opera music
right? so it must be upsetting to hear a joke like that.
Phyllis writes:
You know, for years everyone has witnessed the downright nastiness from
critics but in this case, I believe it was strictly Conan's fans who had the
problem with a comeback remark from Michael Bolton.
* The proof of Conan's acceptance of Boltons come-back remarks can be found in
how Conan performed a little skit based upon Boltons remarks on his own show.
It was just fine with Conan's fans, as long as Michael Bolton did not react
or reply towards one of Conan's snide remarks but the first time Bolton did
make a come-back remark, Conan's fans felt it had become their duty to come to
this newsgroup to try to defend Conan ....LOL
I found it unbelievably childish on their part because Conan had been making
his snide *remarks for years concerning Michael Bolton and his career.
I believe, Michael Bolton and his music fans always took the Conan remarks for
exactly what the remarks were intended for.
* Its always been obvious to many people, Conan intended to ride "piggy back"
any popularity of those people he mentioned in his commentarys, who were in
higher positions in the media for whatever laughs it might bring him.
*Maybe Conan has convinced himself that its alright to ridicule others in the
media and their careers since... Conan has made a career of downsizing himself
publicly.
*Cheap Shots if you ask me.
He actually should be ashamed of himself for inciting a defensiveness in
* his own fans, who must be feeling the need to defend him when there is a "
comeback remark" stemming from one of Conan's own remarks.
I just wonder if Conan's fans go to all the different newsgroups to defend
Conan when the person being targeted by Conan's rude remarks makes a come-back
remark on him.
* Its sure apparent Conan doesn't have a problem with come-back remarks.
From: julie...@aol.comromeo (juliet) wrote>
I went to the Gold Country Casino concert.
Phyllis writes:
Ah...I heard this was a great concert !
From: julie...@aol.comromeo (juliet) wrote>
My favorites that he performed were: Time, Love & Tenderness, Steel Bars, Said
I Loved You But I Lied, I Wanna Hear You Say It, & How Can We Be Lovers.
What are your favorites?
Phyllis writes:
I would have to say my favorites at his 2002 Tour Concerts were his * new album
song performances, his *Opera performances, and
his * "Rock Me Baby" performance.
Both concerts I attended were outdoor venues and the vocal and music sounds
were so GREAT !! Everyone in the audiences seemed so * totally supportive of
his classical music and his performance of "Rock Me Baby" especially.
(*Two totally different styles of music)
Some people were even shocked, stemming from their lack of knowledge of his
performing Opera Music earlier in his career and their lack of knowledge of his
performances playing an electric guitar.
Hm.. my favorites have changed throughout the years of following his music
career. I guess, whatever he is doing at the present time, the newer style of
pop/ r&b would have to be my favorites with always including "Said I Loved You
but I Lied." This particular song has such perfected elements in the vocals
and back-up music. I would even go as far as to compare its perfected balance
to, "I Want To Hear You Say It."
He appears to spend so much time, trying to find the perfected sound to go with
his vocals. The listener can't help but end up appreciating all of his effort
and time spent in creating his music.
I don't know about you...but I'm ready for the next album :o)
*The "Best" is still , yet to come !"
Angelsnearu
Still homeless on the internet I see.
Ok...I'll help you out a little.
Try this newsgroup.
alt.fan.conan-obrien
If you try really hard, you might make some friends there :o)
Have a great day !
Allen Brand
> To: "Allen Brand" Big_da...@hotmail.com
>
> Still homeless on the internet I see.
>
> Ok...I'll help you out a little.
> Try this newsgroup.
>
> alt.fan.conan-obrien
>
Allen Brand
> From: julie...@aol.comromeo (juliet) wrote>
> Michael Bolton probably reacted so much to this joke in particular
because he
> & Conan see each other at some softball games or
> something (?) and because Michael Bolton really loves singing opera music
> right? so it must be upsetting to hear a joke like that.
>
> Phyllis writes:
> You know, for years everyone has witnessed the downright nastiness from
> critics but in this case, I believe it was strictly Conan's fans who had
the
> problem with a comeback remark from Michael Bolton.
> * The proof of Conan's acceptance of Boltons come-back remarks can be
found in
> how Conan performed a little skit based upon Boltons remarks on his own
show.
Funny earlier YOU said that that those little skits (there were more than
one you know) were Conan trying to get larger ratings becuase of what Bolton
said. So which was it him getting bigger rtings (which never happened) or
him accepting Bolton's joke?
> It was just fine with Conan's fans, as long as Michael Bolton did not
react
> or reply towards one of Conan's snide remarks but the first time Bolton
did
> make a come-back remark, Conan's fans felt it had become their duty to
come to
> this newsgroup to try to defend Conan ....LOL
> I found it unbelievably childish on their part because Conan had been
making
> his snide *remarks for years concerning Michael Bolton and his career.
> I believe, Michael Bolton and his music fans always took the Conan
remarks for
> exactly what the remarks were intended for.
If Bolton took those comments for exactly what they were then why did he
reply to them in the manner that he did? If he took them for what they were
he would have laughed at them.
> * Its always been obvious to many people, Conan intended to ride "piggy
back"
> any popularity of those people he mentioned in his commentarys, who were
in
> higher positions in the media for whatever laughs it might bring him.
Conan gains no popularity whatsoever for making fun of people in his
monologue and/or skits. He gains them if they are funny and work well.
> *Maybe Conan has convinced himself that its alright to ridicule others in
the
> media and their careers since... Conan has made a career of downsizing
himself
> publicly.
No Conan "convinced himself" that since late night talk show hosts have been
cracking jokes about celebrities and current evenets since Jack Paar that it
would be logical that he do the same thing ith his show. Conan's humbleness
when it comes to himself is just Conan's personality coming through.
> *Cheap Shots if you ask me.
Nobody did though that is the thing.
> He actually should be ashamed of himself for inciting a defensiveness in
> * his own fans, who must be feeling the need to defend him when there is
a "
> comeback remark" stemming from one of Conan's own remarks.
WHy should Conan be ashamed for what I am doing? He never said "Okay
everyone watching ets go get Bolton fans!" I do this on my own, with no one
but myself taking pleasure in this.
> I just wonder if Conan's fans go to all the different newsgroups to defend
> Conan when the person being targeted by Conan's rude remarks makes a
come-back
> remark on him.
No we don't. We go to teh ones that attack COnan's character by saying he
is just after all teh attention and ratings that come with making fun of
BOlton. That is just wrong and a classic case of character defamation. I
don't stand for that, unless you can show me the tiniest bit of proof that
Conan gainded ANYTHING from his jokes towards Bolton. No one in here has
been able to give me this so I will stay untill they can show me such.