Madonna Dissing Celine at Oscars
jones...@hrp.com
LOVED LOVED LOVED Madonna's eye-rolling sarcasm at presenting that award to
that crappy Celine/Titanic song. I'm glad to see that she still has some of
that smarmy spunk left in her...
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Bruce Harris
I think that Madonna giving out that award was a definite (LOW) point of
the evening. I may not like Celine Dion but Madonna came off like a
sarcastic, stuck up BITCH. Madonna was probably mad that because of the
Titanic's so many wins that she would never go to #1 on the album
charts. I really could care less. Ray of Light is an EXCELLENT album, so
stop worrying about the charts.
Because of Madonnas evil presentation of the sentimental favorite song
at this years Oscars, Madonna will definitely never win any Oscar, no
matter how brilliant of a performance she gives. The Oscar voters are
very picky and vindictive, so they will definitely make Madonna pay for
her actions....
This is 0511 signing out...
William McBrine
In alt.fan.madonna Bruce Harris <bdh...@webtv.net> wrote:
: I think that Madonna giving out that award was a definite (LOW) point of
: the evening. I may not like Celine Dion but Madonna came off like a
: sarcastic, stuck up BITCH.
You've got to be kidding. She barely even cracked a joke about it -- which
was just about the sheer number of awards "Titanic" won. Everyone knew it
was just silly, and it was an entirely appropriate thing to say. Everyone
I saw was laughing. What kind of a twisted viewpoint does it take to see
this as being a bitch?
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Donna Tschetter
Hmmm, I didn't notice the dissing. Not crazy about the dress, but hair and
makeup was fabulous! Madonna looks beautiful always in all her
incarnations! :)
Celine was wonderful in the style that she wore and the way she performed,
she always carries herself well.
Perhaps Madonna was a little put off because she is a performer after all,
and for her to be on a stage and not be performing must be a bummer.
Just my .02.
Cheers,
Donna
PS Way to go - Jim Cameron, Affleck and his sidekick! ;)
fredrick don royster
> You've got to be kidding. She barely even cracked a joke about it -- which
> was just about the sheer number of awards "Titanic" won. Everyone knew it
> was just silly, and it was an entirely appropriate thing to say. Everyone
> I saw was laughing. What kind of a twisted viewpoint does it take to see
> this as being a bitch?
well it was a typical madonna comment...i question the appropriate-ness of
it, bu ti know everyone loves when madonna acts liek this..i personally
dont. i see some interviews when shes incredibly down to earth...the
recent ones, then i see Breakfast with Madonna and go, hmm, i dont think i
would like her if i met her off the street. do you think presenters always
like the movies or actor they like..most likely not, but they are
professional about it and do their job. with ou;t the sarcasm or voice
inflection...the only emotion she did show all night..she did seem very
nervous and or apathetic.
i think the Celine bashing is uncalled for. i dont love her to death (i
admit, i did like Misled, I fyou asked me to, and even the annoyingBecuse
you loved megrew on me), but shes nice
and honest and down to earth. the titanic song is awful i know. and she is
queen of cheese ballads, but she lacks the attitude of mariah, janet. i
think people her
eon his group are jealous of celine and how popular she is, so they have
to trash her hardcore... shes not making any super artisitc statements,
but does everyone have to..i mean i think the Vincent mix of Frozen is
just as bad and cheesy as the dance remixes of How DO I Live and My Heart
Will Go On.
fred
markymark
i definitly agree with william here
to those of you that thought she was being a bitch you got it all wrong
her comment "what a surprise" was not meant as sarcasm over the song itself
winning...............it was for the fact that the Titanic had already won
so many awards
there was nothing wrong with it at all, i thought it was cute, it showed a
little emotion
mark
William McBrine
In alt.fan.madonna fredrick don royster <roy...@students.uiuc.edu> wrote:
: but i know everyone loves when madonna acts liek this..i personally
: dont.
Actually, I've seen Madonna be a bitch, and I don't like it either. But I
absolutely do not believe that this was one of those occassions, and I'm
genuinely baffled that some people see it that way.
: inflection...the only emotion she did show all night..she did seem very
: nervous and or apathetic.
She did give a flat reading for most of it... which was still better than
many of the presenters did. For a bunch of award-winning actors, I was
surprised at how bad they could be at this. Madonna did OK, considering.
Yeah, she was nervous... and I don't think I've ever seen Madonna NOT be
nervous in front of an audience. But at least she broke her usual habit of
trying to eat the microphone. ;-)
Madon...@webtv.net
I usually don't like to involve myself in such
trite matters, but feel something has to be said
here.
Madonna was not "dissing" Celine Dion! OK!
She was merely commenting that she wasn't
surprised that something connected to the
Titanic won the catagory. I mean, let's face it,
was it a shocker to anyone??? People, who
claim to be fans or not, have nothing better to
do with their time except pit these two against
each other and make something out of nothing.
GEEZ, isn't Madonna allowed to have a sense
of humor???!!! This was, in no way, directed
at Celine Dion, but rather at how the movie
Titanic was sweeping the majority of the
catagories!!!!!
MadonnaFan
thya...@sol.com.br
C'mon, they were asking for it! Why else would they get Madonna to present
that particular award?
Anyway, it wasn't nearly as rude as Kate Winslet's expression when Helen Hunt
won - way to go, Helen. Kate, get a life.
PS. Does anyone else out there think Titanic is a shit movie?
In article <6f902r$ec0$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
MadonnaFiles
I think the shocker comment was more towards the movie titanic than celine
dion. If it meant anything at all. When she presented the award for best
song titanic already won like 8 Oscars.
Vinh Nguyen
William McBrine wrote:
>
> In alt.fan.madonna Bruce Harris <bdh...@webtv.net> wrote:
>
> : I think that Madonna giving out that award was a definite (LOW) point of
> : the evening. I may not like Celine Dion but Madonna came off like a
> : sarcastic, stuck up BITCH.
>
> was just about the sheer number of awards "Titanic" won. Everyone knew it
> was just silly, and it was an entirely appropriate thing to say. Everyone
> I saw was laughing. What kind of a twisted viewpoint does it take to see
> this as being a bitch?
>
> William McBrine | http://www.clark.net/~wmcbrine/
> wmcb...@clark.net | The age of Brian Graden is over.
things so seriously? relax and enjoy life.
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MATTRETT
Oh, please. Nobody but the most intense Madonna nuts and Celine nuts would even
NOTICE the "shocker" comment as even POTENTIALLY negative. In the grand scheme
of things, it was a compliment. The winner was, of course, this song.
Madonna's chances of Oscar glory were not affected in the slightest.
TSI01
Regarding Madonna's never winning an Oscar because of her actions.....I doubt
it. You do have a point about the Academy being vindictive but they have shown
that they are willing to forgive and forget. Case in point, Kim Basinger's
win. A few years ago, she was roundly criticized for standing up and saying
that "Do the Right Thing" should have been nominated. That didn't go over well
with many voters and she was ridiculed for years (as well as for her fashion
choices). However, this year, all was forgiven!
If Madonna is never nominated, it will be because the Academy can't get past
her previous actions and missteps. This will be forgotten. If they would look
only at a person's work rather than their reputation, then perhaps "Pulp
Fiction" would have beaten "Forrest Gump" and "Fargo" would have beaten
"English Patient".
William McBrine
In alt.fan.madonna MATTRETT <matt...@aol.com> wrote:
: Oh, please. Nobody but the most intense Madonna nuts and Celine nuts
: would even NOTICE the "shocker" comment as even POTENTIALLY negative.
I wouldn't have thought so, either, but I was surprised at the level of
negativity leaking in here via crossposts; so I checked it out on Deja
News, and there's a lot of Madonna-bashing going on in the "gossip"
groups. Of course, that's nothing new, and it probably signifies nothing.
Edina Munsu
Madon...@webtv.net wrote:
>
> I usually don't like to involve myself in such
> trite matters, but feel something has to be said
> here.
> Madonna was not "dissing" Celine Dion! OK!
> She was merely commenting that she wasn't
> surprised that something connected to the
> Titanic won the catagory.
> MadonnaFan
No she wasn't dissing Celine when she said her name. Those eyes rolling
back....can you say Tourette Syndrome?
Tchad7
>No she wasn't dissing Celine when she said her name. Those eyes rolling
>back....can you say Tourette Syndrome?
Celine Dion DIDN'T win an Academy Award. The song "My Heart Will Go On" won,
but Celine only sings the song. The award went to the writers.
LawStud10
Youwrote:
Madonna will definitely never win any Oscar, no
matter how brilliant of a performance she gives. The Oscar voters are
very picky and vindictive, so they will definitely make Madonna pay for
her actions....
So how many oscar voters do you know? none probably. I'll agree that they are
probably picky, but you kind of have to be when you are choosing the top five
in any category. As for vindictive, that's just plain stupid. They may be
conservative, but I doubt revenge has anything to do with it.
Lulu
In article <6f956v$ik3$1...@newsd-143.iap.bryant.webtv.net>,
bdh...@webtv.net (Bruce Harris) wrote:
>I think that Madonna giving out that award was a definite (LOW) point of
>the evening. I may not like Celine Dion but Madonna came off like a
>sarcastic, stuck up BITCH. Madonna was probably mad that because of the
>Titanic's so many wins that she would never go to #1 on the album
>charts.
Or, alternately and a whole lot less dodgily, maybe she just -- sit down,
this might be shocking -- DIDN'T LIKE THE SONG! She's said it quite a bit
since the nominees were announced, she was pulling for Miss Misery, the
underdog, but knew it'd be eclipsed by the cheesefest that was Celine's
impossible-to-escape song that sounds like every song she's done before,
ever. I would've done the same thing, and she was hardly the only person
up there who didn't hide their emotions towards Titanic (I've said it
before and I'll say it again: if anyone has a tape, check Sean Connery
announcing the Best Picture nominees, and winner...he looked as if the
envelope had suddenly turned into a viper that he needed to get rid of,
fast). Good on them, I'm sick of phony niceness, including the sort
Madonna's been dishing out lately. Titanic didn't deserve the wins, and
even most of the nominations, and *still* the only people I've seen
criticise her have been her own fans on this one.
Madonna, along with a few other people, came across like your average
person who is sick of the 20 teenage girls who have seen Titanic 800,000
times each. And I personally got a good laugh off it. So what if it was
bitchy? Who the hell do they have to impress?
Cheers,
Lulu
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Lulu
In article <6f9c0f$9h2$1...@clarknet.clark.net>, wmcb...@clark.net wrote:
>In alt.fan.madonna Bruce Harris <bdh...@webtv.net> wrote:
>: I think that Madonna giving out that award was a definite (LOW) point of
>: the evening. I may not like Celine Dion but Madonna came off like a
>: sarcastic, stuck up BITCH.
>You've got to be kidding. She barely even cracked a joke about it -- which
>was just about the sheer number of awards "Titanic" won. Everyone knew it
>was just silly, and it was an entirely appropriate thing to say. Everyone
>I saw was laughing. What kind of a twisted viewpoint does it take to see
>this as being a bitch?
In all fairness to the bloke I just went off on, you're looking at it
*strictly* from the 'What a surprise!' viewpoint, and are ignoring the eye
rolling and facial expressions.
The thing is, one billion people saw, or could've seen, her eyes and face
close up, but no one in the audience could, so unless they go watch tapes
(likely, come to think of it), who's going to know the difference? And
since she's far from the only one who did it, who's going to care?
And you're right, everyone was laughing, pretty much.
Lulu
In article <199803250008...@ladder03.news.aol.com>,
matt...@aol.com (MATTRETT) wrote:
>Madonna's chances of Oscar glory were not affected in the slightest.
Agreed *here*, everyone in the audience and apparently viewers who aren't
in this newsgroop took it as a sarky joke, funny and maybe slightly
unprofessional when paired with her facial expressions, but hardly awful
and evil, and certainly not the worst thing she's said about this lot. If
she's going to be blackballed from Oscars (which, quite frankly, if she
didn't get the Evita one, I think she already has been), it'd not be
because of *this*, it'd be because of some of her old behaviours. Courtney
Love will probably get the same (and debatably has), for somewhat
different, yet similar, reasons.
RAGE2LOVE
>Because of Madonnas evil presentation of the sentimental favorite song
>matter how brilliant of a performance she gives.
OH WHO GIVES A SHIT???!!!!
The Oscars as well as the Grammys are so biased- The morons who vote, as well
as the members of the board, are nothing but glorified high-school cliques-
RAGE2LOVE
You guys crack me up-
I can't believe there's this many responses to something so trivial
Again, thanx to this NG, the press will probably report on this in a day or
two, and the media will run with this whole Celine vs. Madonna thing
You guys will never learn, will you?
Jeffrey Jerrold Chua
My friend was expecting a Madonna slamming from Celine fans, but basically,
when I saw the show, Madonna did have a tone of sarcasm in her voice, but it
was all in good humour. When she said "what a shocker", I think she just
meant "oh well, we were expecting this to win anyway, so what's the point of
announcing it" kind of thing. Talk about being critical, we're even worse
than the press! Why not try looking at things from a different perspective,
some of you?
I will be paged when I receive urgent mail (i.e. Mail with the word urgent
or <u> printed along with the Subject line)
Jeffrey.
"Give the kids tools, so they can go build their own houses;
not the blueprint of what the houses should be."
-Tori Amos
robert rienzo
sort of a repeat of last year when Stresiand went to the bathroom while
Celine sang her song and a whole war broke out! look how that feud
turned out, a duet between the 2 stars.. so much for a feud!! im sure
there is no feud between the 2, MADONNA is just dissapointed that RAY OF
LIGHT is stuck at #2 behind TITIANIC and who could blame her?? perhaps
they will do a duet!! could you imagine that??
William McBrine
In alt.fan.madonna Lulu <bitchyspice@*.geocities.com> wrote:
: In all fairness to the bloke I just went off on, you're looking at it
: *strictly* from the 'What a surprise!' viewpoint, and are ignoring the eye
: rolling and facial expressions.
Probably because they weren't there.
Airlinepup
PS. Does anyone else out there think Titanic is a shit movie?
Yes. It was a total waste of money. Why do people like this movie so much?
What's up with this? I did't think it was great at all. It was so stupid! I
hated it.
Luke
>
> >I think that Madonna giving out that award was a definite (LOW) point of
> >the evening. I may not like Celine Dion but Madonna came off like a
> >Titanic's so many wins that she would never go to #1 on the album
> >charts.
>
> Or, alternately and a whole lot less dodgily, maybe she just -- sit down,
> this might be shocking -- DIDN'T LIKE THE SONG! She's said it quite a bit
> since the nominees were announced, she was pulling for Miss Misery, the
> underdog, but knew it'd be eclipsed by the cheesefest that was Celine's
> impossible-to-escape song that sounds like every song she's done before,
> ever. I would've done the same thing, and she was hardly the only person
> up there who didn't hide their emotions towards Titanic (I've said it
> before and I'll say it again: if anyone has a tape, check Sean Connery
> announcing the Best Picture nominees, and winner...he looked as if the
> envelope had suddenly turned into a viper that he needed to get rid of,
> fast). Good on them, I'm sick of phony niceness, including the sort
> Madonna's been dishing out lately. Titanic didn't deserve the wins, and
> even most of the nominations, and *still* the only people I've seen
> criticise her have been her own fans on this one.
>
> Madonna, along with a few other people, came across like your average
> person who is sick of the 20 teenage girls who have seen Titanic 800,000
> times each. And I personally got a good laugh off it. So what if it was
> bitchy? Who the hell do they have to impress?
>
Finally, somebody said it. Bravo
jones...@hrp.com
In article <6f9fjh$j6d$1...@newsd-144.iap.bryant.webtv.net>,
Madon...@webtv.net wrote:
>
> I usually don't like to involve myself in such
> trite matters, but feel something has to be said
> here.
> Madonna was not "dissing" Celine Dion! OK!
> She was merely commenting that she wasn't
> surprised that something connected to the
> Titanic won the catagory.
Yes and no. That was definitely the joke, but you cannot deny there was some
sarcasm in that rolled eye movement when she announced that song nomination.
That Celine song is overplayed and overwrought, and just about everybody in
that audience was with her on her sarcasm. I thought it was funny as hell,
and you summed it up right here:
> GEEZ, isn't Madonna allowed to have a sense
> of humor???!!!
Yes, absolutely.
jones...@hrp.com
Lulu
>In alt.fan.madonna Lulu <bitchyspice@*.geocities.com> wrote:
>: In all fairness to the bloke I just went off on, you're looking at it
>: *strictly* from the 'What a surprise!' viewpoint, and are ignoring the eye
>: rolling and facial expressions.
>Probably because they weren't there.
Um, try again, they were. Not that there's anything wrong with her *doing*
it, but she did do it.
Cheers,
Lulu
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Lulu
In article <35190...@news.cyberway.com.sg>, "Jeffrey Jerrold Chua"
<jeff...@cyberway.com.sg> wrote:
>My friend was expecting a Madonna slamming from Celine fans, but basically,
>when I saw the show, Madonna did have a tone of sarcasm in her voice, but it
>was all in good humour.
Mmm, exactly. Her whole behaviour was bitchy good humour. She knows
Celine, at least as an aquaintance, so even though she's said that she
doesn't like the music and that she was rooting for someone else, it's
hardly like she was doing it to be mean. Catty and silly and funny is more
like it.
>I will be paged when I receive urgent mail (i.e. Mail with the word urgent
>or <u> printed along with the Subject line)
You know, I've been meaning to point this out, but maybe that's a bad idea
to publicise this; if you get on some child's bad side, they might go
about sending you a thousand mails marked Urgent, just to page you over
and over to be annoying :)
Andrew Stewart
> PS. Does anyone else out there think Titanic is a shit movie?
D-d-d-don't....just...don't....don't get me started.
(np: The Best Of Bowie 69/74)
Andrew Stewart
In article <6f9ep3$9h2$5...@clarknet.clark.net>,
wmcb...@clark.net (William McBrine) wrote:
>In alt.fan.madonna fredrick don royster <roy...@students.uiuc.edu> wrote:
>
>: but i know everyone loves when madonna acts liek this..i personally
>: dont.
>
>Actually, I've seen Madonna be a bitch, and I don't like it either. But I
>absolutely do not believe that this was one of those occassions, and I'm
>genuinely baffled that some people see it that way.
Me too, but judging from the reaction of most of my wprk colleagues I spoke to
today. the general impression was that Madonna was being bitchy and she came
off as jealous of Celine's success.
But then, these people are not Madonna fans anyway, so does it really matter
what they think?
Andrew Stewart
>Madonna's chances of Oscar glory were not affected in the slightest.
If only because they were pretty much non-existent before. Sad to say, but
Madonna just seems to be one of those actresses that the Academy has just
decided will never be honoured.
But then I thought the same about Kim Basinger (and Robin Williams in the male
stakes) so who knows.
Andrew Stewart
In article <6f9kp1$nub$1...@clarknet.clark.net>,
wmcb...@clark.net (William McBrine) wrote:
>In alt.fan.madonna MATTRETT <matt...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>: Oh, please. Nobody but the most intense Madonna nuts and Celine nuts
>: would even NOTICE the "shocker" comment as even POTENTIALLY negative.
>
>I wouldn't have thought so, either, but I was surprised at the level of
>negativity leaking in here via crossposts; so I checked it out on Deja
>News, and there's a lot of Madonna-bashing going on in the "gossip"
>groups. Of course, that's nothing new, and it probably signifies nothing.
I don't know about the signifying nothing part. I pretty much agree with David
Bowie's assessment of gossip - that it is almost totally irrelevant whethee
it's true or not but it is a very important indicator of how we measure each
other. What matters is not whether what gets said is true or not, but what
gets said about who.
Tchad7
>Me too, but judging from the reaction of most of my wprk colleagues I spoke
>to
>today. the general impression was that Madonna was being bitchy and she came
>off as jealous of Celine's success.
>
>
Madonna wasn't even nominated for an Academy Award (albeit she wasn't
eligible), but do your coworkers realize that Celine wasn't nominated either?
A song that Celine recorded won for best song, but both of the Oscar-nominated
songs that Madonna recorded won for best song as well, so I still don't know
where this jealousy aspect is coming from.
Chad
Edina Munsu
Like hello? I never wrote that the award went to Celine DUMMY boy (or
girl?). Madonna did say "Celine Dion" when she presented the 3
performers...
PonEgirl
>> PS. Does anyone else out there think Titanic is a shit movie?
No. I liked it. I also liked the song. I am glad it won. It was a refreshing
change from alien, action, and lesbian sex for heterosexual males films.
I also don't see how Kate Winslet rolled her eyes. I saw it a few times to
check and it looked like a sign of surprise, like "wow." She had no nasty look
on her face whatsoever. It must be really awkward having that camera on your
face waiting for your response. I don't think any response will satisfy
everyone.
BTW - Is it impossible for anyone else to actually like Titanic or Celine and
Madonna at the same time? All I have heard is Celine and Titanic bashing in
this NG.
Tchad7
>Like hello? I never wrote that the award went to Celine DUMMY boy (or
>girl?). Madonna did say "Celine Dion" when she presented the 3
>performers...
That would be DUMMY boy if you're referring to me, but if you're referring to
Celine, I believe the anatomically correct name would be DUMMY girl.
William McBrine
In alt.fan.madonna Andrew Stewart <and...@hotmail.com> wrote:
: But then, these people are not Madonna fans anyway, so does it really
: matter what they think?
I was just thinking about how "I'll Remember" hit #2 after the widely-
despised Letterman appearance... so no, I guess it doesn't matter. ;-)
Still, it always bothers me when I see people afflicted with mass
stupidity.
William McBrine
In alt.fan.madonna Andrew Stewart <and...@hotmail.com> wrote:
: I don't know about the signifying nothing part. I pretty much agree with
: David Bowie's assessment of gossip - that it is almost totally irrelevant
: whether it's true or not but it is a very important indicator of how we
: measure each other.
What I meant was, they already hated her.
Andrew Stewart
In article <199803252132...@ladder03.news.aol.com>,
tch...@aol.com (Tchad7) wrote:
>>Me too, but judging from the reaction of most of my wprk colleagues I spoke
>>to
>>today. the general impression was that Madonna was being bitchy and she came
>>off as jealous of Celine's success.
>>
>>
>
>Madonna wasn't even nominated for an Academy Award (albeit she wasn't
>eligible), but do your coworkers realize that Celine wasn't nominated either?
Probably not. I think in most people's minds (that is, most people who don't
take a close interest in these things), the Best Song Oscar does go to the
singer.
thya...@sol.com.br
> Madonna at the same time? All I have heard is Celine and Titanic bashing in
> this NG.
Sure. I don't like Titanic and it has nothing to do with Madonna or the
Oscars. I just thought it was silly, and actually insulted the audience's
intelligence. But then again, last year was not a very productive one in terms
of film-making. Anyway, I'm very sorry for Hollywood now - expect to see a
flood of stupid films made to attract romantic women - you know, the kind of
losers who actually watched Titanic 18 times just to see a cute actor. Who
can't act.
Stan Yunick
watch a tape of the ocscars again. madonna did NOT 'roll her
eyes' when she announced the titanic song. she LOOKED to the
side (maybe to where C Dion was sitting????) and SMILED.
i wouldn't put it past madonna to make a sarcastic comment now
and then. but in this case she simply just did not do what you
say she did.
Lulu wrote:
>
> In article <6fb4t4$os6$1...@clarknet.clark.net>, wmcb...@clark.net wrote:
>
> >In alt.fan.madonna Lulu <bitchyspice@*.geocities.com> wrote:
> >: In all fairness to the bloke I just went off on, you're looking at it
> >: *strictly* from the 'What a surprise!' viewpoint, and are ignoring the eye
> >: rolling and facial expressions.
> >Probably because they weren't there.
>
> Um, try again, they were. Not that there's anything wrong with her *doing*
> it, but she did do it.
>