Madonna Dissed Oprah?
xen...@my-deja.com
aztec...@aol.com........ (AztecaMeca) wrote:
> Didn't Madonna diss Oprah in Truth or Dare? The line went something
like,
> "...who would want to live in Michigan [or was it Chigago?]? Aside
from the
> fact that Oprah lives here?"
>
I think Madonna is jealous of Oprah because until Oprah came along,
Madonna was the richest, most successful woman in entertainment. Now
Oprah has tripple Madonna's net-worth, is the only performer and the
only African American on the Forbes 400, and is expected to become the
first self-made woman billionaire in history.
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>
> I think Madonna is jealous of Oprah because until Oprah came along,
> Madonna was the richest, most successful woman in entertainment.
I doubt this theory. Barbra Streisand was and very likely still is
richer and more successful than Madonna. Madonna is not hugely rich -
she's not been on the top whatever wealthiest celebrities for a long
time, beaten by such stars as Tim Allen and Helen Hunt - and she has
relatively few awards and commendations for someone so high-profile.
Believing Madonna dislikes Oprah because Oprah dethroned her as the
biggest female entertainment personality is, to my thinking, unfounded.
A.
Aaron
A. wrote in message <375B10...@worldnet.att.net>...
These "richest so and so" lists are bullshit anyway. They are based on
estimations made by whatever magazine is concocting them. If someone's in
the news, they estimate their worth and put it on the list. No
self-respecting entertainer (and I'm sure there are some) is going to hand
over the figure for their yearly income to some pseudo-tabloid reporter to
make some lameass list.
xen...@my-deja.com
Actually the Forbes 400 is the most prestigous, well respected list
in the country. It lists the 400 richest U.S. citizens by net-worth.
Bill Gates is number one, Warren Buffet is number two and Oprah Winfrey
is 299. Most of the names on the list are not highly famous and it's
easier than most people think to estimate the net-worth of the super,
super rich, since most of their fortunes are tied up in public stocks.
Oprah is the only performing artist on the list but there are a few
other moguls from the entertianment industry like Spielberg and Lucas.
Minimum cut-off to make the list last year was half a billion dollars
and Madonna is worth around $250 million.
xen...@my-deja.com
"A." <awoo...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> xen...@my-deja.com wrote:
> >
> > I think Madonna is jealous of Oprah because until Oprah came
along,
> > Madonna was the richest, most successful woman in entertainment.
>
> I doubt this theory. Barbra Streisand was and very likely still is
> richer and more successful than Madonna. Madonna is not hugely rich -
> she's not been on the top whatever wealthiest celebrities for a long
> time, beaten by such stars as Tim Allen and Helen Hunt - and she has
> relatively few awards and commendations for someone so high-profile.
> Believing Madonna dislikes Oprah because Oprah dethroned her as the
> biggest female entertainment personality is, to my thinking,
unfounded.
>
> A.
I think it's important to differentiate between the list of highest
earning entertainers (which changes every year) and richest entertainers
which is based on total net-worth rather than a single year's income.
When it comes to the richest women in showbiz, I believe Madonna with a
net-worth of $250 million is second only to Oprah who is worth almost a
billion. With all of Madonna's business ventures, I seriously doubt if
Barbara Streisand's fortune is competetive with Madonna's.
Now I'm not certain if Madonna dislikes Oprah at all. I had seen the
diss on Truth or Dare so I was shocked to learn that Madonna went Oprah
at all, let alone before going on her good friend Rosie O'Donnell who
just happened to be Oprah's main competition.
The interview on Oprah turned out great and was quite stylishly done.
I think Madonna was also pleasently surprised to see how much Oprah
respects her and the two of them have so much in common. Both extremely
intelligent wealthy female entertainers who dominate their fields and
are too smart to get married.
HughE
>In article <19990511005859...@ng-cd1.aol.com>,
> aztec...@aol.com........ (AztecaMeca) wrote:
>> Didn't Madonna diss Oprah in Truth or Dare? The line went something
>like,
>> "...who would want to live in Michigan [or was it Chigago?]? Aside
>from the
>> fact that Oprah lives here?"
>>
HELLO - it was TEN years ago, I think they're over it.
YUSSEF HAIDER
Why would anyone be jealous of Oprah Winfrey? She's a trash TV talk show
host who is successful only in the barmy US of A like many others such as
Jerry Springer,Ricky Lake etc. So she's made alot of money.......is that a
barometer for talent?
In fifty years time will she be remembered ? Will she have contributed
anything significant at all to art and entertainment? About as much as
Pamela Anderson who also earns alot from doing absolutely nothing.
xen...@my-deja.com wrote in message <7jeqpv$732$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
>In article <19990511005859...@ng-cd1.aol.com>,
> aztec...@aol.com........ (AztecaMeca) wrote:
>> Didn't Madonna diss Oprah in Truth or Dare? The line went something
>like,
>> "...who would want to live in Michigan [or was it Chigago?]? Aside
>from the
>> fact that Oprah lives here?"
>>
>
>
> I think Madonna is jealous of Oprah because until Oprah came along,
>Madonna was the richest, most successful woman in entertainment. Now
>Oprah has tripple Madonna's net-worth, is the only performer and the
>only African American on the Forbes 400, and is expected to become the
>first self-made woman billionaire in history.
>
>
Mr. Lee
subject.
In "Truth or Dare", when Madonna learns about her hair-stylist being
raped... she laughs. Mr. Lee finds this kind of behavior very odd.
Madonna herself, was a rape victim and also portrayed one prior to this,
so one might think laughing on Madonna's part was the most unnatural
emotion imaginable.
The Best never rest,
Mr. Lee
---
"To be the best, you gotta beat the best"
Brian Charles Rooney
> In "Truth or Dare", when Madonna learns about her hair-stylist being
> raped... she laughs. Mr. Lee finds this kind of behavior very odd.
> Madonna herself, was a rape victim and also portrayed one prior to this,
> so one might think laughing on Madonna's part was the most unnatural
> emotion imaginable.
i am a psych major so I can back this up... andI have heard and read it
numerous times... many times people will laugh at upsetting things
because they are publically unable to display sympathy for it... the fact
that Madonna was on camera at the time she found out abotu her
hairdresser probably had more to do with her nervous laughter reaction
than anything else... if you watch it, its a very unanticipated
reaction... although it seems cold and callous, it was not somethign she
could control...
-Brian
krr126
Brian Charles Rooney <bc...@duke.edu> wrote in message ...
> i am a psych major so I can back this up... andI have heard and read it
> numerous times... many times people will laugh at upsetting things
> because they are publically unable to display sympathy for it... the fact
> that Madonna was on camera at the time she found out abotu her
> hairdresser probably had more to do with her nervous laughter reaction
> than anything else... if you watch it, its a very unanticipated
> reaction... although it seems cold and callous, it was not somethign she
> could control...
That's exactly what I was thinking about that.
xen...@my-deja.com
"YUSSEF HAIDER" <yha...@lineone.net> wrote:
> Lol.......thats funny that
> Why would anyone be jealous of Oprah Winfrey?
I don't know, why are you?
She's a trash TV talk
show
> host
Oprah isn't considered trash TV. She's extremely respected in her
field.
who is successful only in the barmy US of A like many others such
as
> Jerry Springer,Ricky Lake etc.
Oprah's show is broadcast in over one hundred countries.
So she's made alot of money.......is
that a
> barometer for talent?
No but it's a barometer for success and brains. If you want a
barometer for talent, just look at the thirty emmies Oprah has won.
She's quite simply the most talented person in television history and
the richest by far.
> In fifty years time will she be remembered ? Will she have contributed
> anything significant at all to art and entertainment?
If it weren't for Oprah, we wouldn't have so many day time talk shows.
It was Oprah's enormous success that inspired so many others like
Springer to come in because they smelled all the money (although none of
the others have been able to make any money at it.) Oprah will be
remembered in history for the Opraization of America and the world. Her
legacy can be seen in Bill Clinton and countless other "I feel your pain
" politicians. She has had a huge, huge impact on American culture.
Besides who cares if she will be remembered or not or has contributed
anything. Making money is the name of the game and anyone who argues
different has sour grapes.
About as much as
> Pamela Anderson who also earns alot from doing absolutely nothing.
>
Pamela Anderson earns no money compared to Oprah.
ryan hynnes
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> Brian Charles Rooney wrote in message
> >Madonna was on camera at the time she found out abotu her
> > hairdresser probably had more to do with her nervous laughter reaction
> > than anything else... if you watch it, its a very unanticipated
> > reaction... although it seems cold and callous, it was not somethign she
> > could control...
>
> why people can have different views on it.
>
it does seem nervous. you can even tell that she feels awkwarda bout having
done it. why else would she laugh? because she's a mean evil person who
likes to hear about somebody being raped, because she doesn't have any
compassion. i don't think so.
Agnieszka Czajkowska
> In "Truth or Dare", when Madonna learns about her hair-stylist being
> raped... she laughs.
Maybe it was a sick laugh, but it can free you.
> Mr. Lee finds this kind of behavior very odd.
> Madonna herself, was a rape victim and also portrayed one prior to this,
> so one might think laughing on Madonna's part was the most unnatural
> emotion imaginable.
You would commit suicide, if you let it bring you down everytime you talk
about this.
Bye,
Agnieszka.
Mr. Lee
ago. It was very frightening. So, if I just happen to drive by a wreck
and see a body that is damaged and bloody and a giggle sneaks out...
it's just a normal human reaction that can't be controlled. Oh, okay.
Mr. Lee
---
i am a psych major so I can back this up... andI have heard and read it
numerous times... many times people will laugh at upsetting things
because they are publically unable to display sympathy for it... the
fact that Madonna was on camera at the time she found out abotu her
hairdresser probably had more to do with her nervous laughter reaction
than anything else... if you watch it, its a very unanticipated
reaction... although it seems cold and callous, it was not somethign she
could control...
-Brian
AnnMadFan
Anderson,if you ask me!
Ann huge Madfan
- >> About as much as
>> Pamela Anderson who also earns alot from doing absolutely nothing.
>
> Hmm Pamela Anderson uses sex....Madonna uses sex.
>
Ilana
etc I always laugh. I don't know why but it just comes out. And then the
whole day I get that image of my friend falling down the stairs and it
cracks me up. It's not a intential laugh either, I mean I feel sorry for
them if they have hurt them selves. With me it's just an automatic reaction.
ilana
Brian Charles Rooney <bc...@duke.edu> wrote in message
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>
> > In "Truth or Dare", when Madonna learns about her hair-stylist being
> > raped... she laughs. Mr. Lee finds this kind of behavior very odd.
> > Madonna herself, was a rape victim and also portrayed one prior to this,
> > so one might think laughing on Madonna's part was the most unnatural
> > emotion imaginable.
>
Paulo Moniz
start any controversy but not every woman that claims to be raped is
telling the truth.
Group: alt.fan.madonna Date: Tue, Jun 8, 1999, 10:56am (EDT-1) From:
KooKoo...@webtv.net (Mr. Lee) Re: Didn't Madonna laugh? Thanks
for clearing this up for me. I was in a car wreck about a month ago. It
was very frightening. So, if I just happen to drive by a wreck and see a
body that is damaged and bloody and a giggle sneaks out... it's just a
normal human reaction that can't be controlled. Oh, okay. Mr. Lee
---
i am a psych major so I can back this up... andI have heard and read it
numerous times... many times people will laugh at upsetting things
because they are publically unable to display sympathy for it... the
fact that Madonna was on camera at the time she found out abotu her
hairdresser probably had more to do with her nervous laughter reaction
than anything else... if you watch it, its a very unanticipated
reaction... although it seems cold and callous, it was not somethign she
could control...
-Brian
Aaron
>i am a psych major so I can back this up... andI have heard and read it
>numerous times... many times people will laugh at upsetting things
>because they are publically unable to display sympathy for it... the
>fact that Madonna was on camera at the time she found out abotu her
>hairdresser probably had more to do with her nervous laughter reaction
>than anything else... if you watch it, its a very unanticipated
>reaction... although it seems cold and callous, it was not somethign she
>could control...
i think what's more sick about the moment is that Madonna decided to put it
in the movie. i found it bizarre and unnerving that not only did she laugh
at the woman's tragedy, she decided to put this woman's very personal moment
in the move. i understand that's the point of Truth or Dare. however, it's
supposed chronicle MADONNA'S life during the tour. something so personal to
someone else should have been left out, especially i don't think most of the
behind-the-scenes people on the tour were aware that SO MUCH behind the
scenes stuff would be put in the movie. i've heard stories told by several
of the people in the movie that they were under the impression that it was
mostly a concert film with a little black and white / behind the scenes
footage interspersed. for her to put this woman's rape (not to mention her
laughing at it) in the film is pretty disgusting.
Paulo Moniz
event.
Nobody was arrested, it never made the tabloids and the movie didnt show
anything else about it. My thought, she had a little to much to drink,
had a one night stand then got rejected in the morning. Or she could
have just been looking for attention. I mean if a rapist has his choice
of women to drug in a club, why on Earth choose her.
Group: alt.fan.madonna Date: Thu, Jun 10, 1999, 7:38pm (EDT-1) From:
apr0...@hotmail.com (Aaron) Re: Didn't Madonna laugh?
SEENO143
it on camera in that scene with Niki. Second of all you have to look at the
scene in the context. Also like Madonna said: the girl was probably showing off
with the fact that she was workin for Madonna, she should have been thinking
about what she was doing. Third, Madonna has a million things to take care and
worry about on a WORLD TOUR, aside from what happens to her hairdresser.
Im in NO WAY trying to downplay RAPE here. Just simply trying to be realistic
about this part of the movie.
Era Of Tin
>Madonna was the richest, most successful woman in entertainment. Now
>Oprah has tripple Madonna's net-worth, is the only performer and the
>only African American on the Forbes 400, and is expected to become the
>first self-made woman billionaire in history.
not to be rude, but don't forget that thanks to THE COLOR PURPLE, Oprah is also
"more respected" in Hollywood, even if she's only done 2 major motion pictures
in 14 years (NATIVE SON was NOT "major")
Mr. Lee
Knowledge is Power,
Mr. Lee
---
Group: alt.fan.madonna Date: Thu, Jun 10, 1999, 8:12pm (CDT-3) From:
fu...@hotmail.com (DaNieL) Re: Didn't Madonna laugh?
women to drug in a club, why on Earth choose her.
VERY good point.
And Madonna said she was sorry after she laughed, so get over it
everybody
fu...@iname.com
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Agnieszka Czajkowska
> in the movie.
Don't you think that this woman could have made a decision as well?
> i found it bizarre and unnerving that not only did she laugh
> at the woman's tragedy, she decided to put this woman's very personal moment
> in the move. i understand that's the point of Truth or Dare. however, it's
> supposed chronicle MADONNA'S life during the tour. something so personal to
> someone else should have been left out,
The cameras were there most of the time but not all of it. So threre could have
been a conversation about this without camaras.
> especially i don't think most of the
> behind-the-scenes people on the tour were aware that SO MUCH behind the
> scenes stuff would be put in the movie. i've heard stories told by several
> of the people in the movie that they were under the impression that it was
> mostly a concert film with a little black and white / behind the scenes
> footage interspersed. for her to put this woman's rape (not to mention her
> laughing at it) in the film is pretty disgusting.
Madonna's reaction didn't seen cruel to me, it seemed that she was confused in a
way. Do you know the Tori Amos song "Cornflake Girl"? The song is kinda funny
but it is about the ritual where women got their genetalia removed. She
reported, that they had a great laugh during the recording. Maybe it was a sick
laugh, but it can be freeing and it can help to deal with the situation
afterwords.
Bye,
Agnieszka.
Aaron
Agnieszka Czajkowska wrote in message
<37611304...@stud-mailer.uni-marburg.de>...
>> i think what's more sick about the moment is that Madonna decided to put
it
>> in the movie.
>
>Don't you think that this woman could have made a decision as well?
>
Could have. But it was Madonna's decision to make, and it's pretty
disgusting that she chose to put such a personal and tragic moment that
belongs to someone else in her movie.
>> i found it bizarre and unnerving that not only did she laugh
>> at the woman's tragedy, she decided to put this woman's very personal
moment
>> in the move. i understand that's the point of Truth or Dare. however,
it's
>> supposed chronicle MADONNA'S life during the tour. something so personal
to
>> someone else should have been left out,
>
>The cameras were there most of the time but not all of it. So threre could
have
>been a conversation about this without camaras.
>
Could have been. But it's right there in the movie.
>> especially i don't think most of the
>> behind-the-scenes people on the tour were aware that SO MUCH behind the
>> scenes stuff would be put in the movie. i've heard stories told by
several
>> of the people in the movie that they were under the impression that it
was
>> mostly a concert film with a little black and white / behind the scenes
>> footage interspersed. for her to put this woman's rape (not to mention
her
>> laughing at it) in the film is pretty disgusting.
>
>Madonna's reaction didn't seen cruel to me, it seemed that she was confused
in a
>way. Do you know the Tori Amos song "Cornflake Girl"? The song is kinda
funny
>but it is about the ritual where women got their genetalia removed. She
>reported, that they had a great laugh during the recording. Maybe it was a
sick
>laugh, but it can be freeing and it can help to deal with the situation
>afterwords.
>
female genital mutilation is quite hilarious, i'm sure. i know i bust a gut
every time it's mentioned. if only there was a documentary camera crew
watching me while i read my mail. they'd see me slapping my knee and
rolling around on the floor.
the initial giggle Madonna let out may not have been sick. but if you
didn't think that it was cruel when you saw it, natural or not, then there
is something loose in your head.
Tuxedo Mask is Back
subject. Even if Madonna's laugh WAS her "uncontrolled" way of dealing with
the pain, she should have not have put it in the film. I wonder... if someone
took a pole, and rammed it up Madonna's ass... would we laugh?
[Mask]
>
>
>
>
>
In article <15869-375...@newsd-233.iap.bryant.webtv.net>,
KooKoo...@webtv.net (Mr. Lee) wrote:
> Mr. Lee said this before and still finds himself confused about this
> subject.
>
> In "Truth or Dare", when Madonna learns about her hair-stylist being
> raped... she laughs. Mr. Lee finds this kind of behavior very odd.
> Madonna herself, was a rape victim and also portrayed one prior to this,
> so one might think laughing on Madonna's part was the most unnatural
> emotion imaginable.
>
> The Best never rest,
> Mr. Lee
>
> ---
>
> "To be the best, you gotta beat the best"
>
>
--
"Darkness is for bats and cats and frightened little mice,
It's not for those of us who find the sunshine rather nice,
So stay away from Eldwist's murk and take this good advise,
Go someplace where your skin is warm instead of cold as ice."
Agnieszka Czajkowska
> didn't think that it was cruel when you saw it, natural or not, then there
> is something loose in your head.
I didn't say that the rape of that wonam was not cruel. And Madonna said she was
sorry for her laugh.
Bye,
Agnieszka.
PHILisHome
molested was simply a nervous reaction. She was uncomfortable and most of us do
slightly bizarre things when we're in uncomfortalbe situations.
guillau...@gmail.com
> molested was simply a nervous reaction. She was uncomfortable and most of us do
> slightly bizarre things when we're in uncomfortalbe situations.
If my daughter was raped I would hate to see someone laughing at it (even nervously) with the whole world to see.