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isamu

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NO BIDS NO RESERVE!!

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=323663488


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Diggy

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DON'T BUY IT!!! IT'S CRAP!!!
Sorry dude, just thought people should know first.

I recently picked up a copy off ebay for 2 bux (4 bux shipping). It
was hardly a steal (as I originally thought). If you don't have
access to DYRL, go ahead, give it a whirl. But you will be so sad (or
I'll be sad for you) because so much is cut out from the original.

What's gone?!
Minmei's songs... ok, I can live with that
some Zentradi dialogue scenes... not too bad
Roy's heroic death scene trimmed down... there's no honor here
Myria's fight scenes toned down... some cool shit

not to mention that the Australian(???) dubbers did a terrible job!!!
it's harder to understand the story because of the dubbing. They
screw up a lot of the original meaning in the dialogue.

On this note, I'll vulture some sales!!!
Contact me by email if you're interested in a copy of my DYRL VCD!!!
Original Japanese Dubbing with English Subtitles

NOCHEEZPLEEZ...@hotmail.com
just remove NOCHEEZPLEEZ.

CokaCola Cat

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In article <05f22b92...@usw-ex0102-084.remarq.com>,
isamu99...@pacificnet.net.invalid says...

Oh wow, a item up for bid I can get at any video store. Hurray.

The Cat

Jeffrey T. Jhee

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http://pubweb.nwu.edu/~jtj390/cotbsux.htm

Diggy wrote:
>
> DON'T BUY IT!!! IT'S CRAP!!!
> Sorry dude, just thought people should know first.
>
> I recently picked up a copy off ebay for 2 bux (4 bux shipping). It
> was hardly a steal (as I originally thought). If you don't have
> access to DYRL, go ahead, give it a whirl. But you will be so sad (or
> I'll be sad for you) because so much is cut out from the original.
>
> What's gone?!
> Minmei's songs... ok, I can live with that
> some Zentradi dialogue scenes... not too bad
> Roy's heroic death scene trimmed down... there's no honor here
> Myria's fight scenes toned down... some cool shit
>
> not to mention that the Australian(???) dubbers did a terrible job!!!
> it's harder to understand the story because of the dubbing. They
> screw up a lot of the original meaning in the dialogue.
>
> On this note, I'll vulture some sales!!!
> Contact me by email if you're interested in a copy of my DYRL VCD!!!
> Original Japanese Dubbing with English Subtitles
>
> NOCHEEZPLEEZ...@hotmail.com
> just remove NOCHEEZPLEEZ.
>
> On Tue, 02 May 2000 22:12:29 -0700, isamu
> <isamu99...@pacificnet.net.invalid> wrote:
>

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> >
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isamu

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In article <8eqr1u$mis$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, cornelius23@my-
deja.com wrote:
>I have CotB.
>
>Bought it used at Blockbuster for $2.99. No cover, just a black
clamshell
>with the title put on with a label maker. I think it was rented
a lot. The
>picture quality is terrible. The voice acting is... gosh. It
makes Reba West
>sound like Celine Dion (not that I like her either). Of course,
it's pan and
>scan ("pan and scan" is another name for the devil, I tell you!
the devil!)
>so I'm missing a nice chunk of the picture. And 20 mins. of
cuts? Ouch. Roy
>doesn't only sound like a chauvinist, but a drunk to boot. It
is very bad
>version of DYRL, but the only copy I own.
>
>It is one of my most prized possesions.
>
>Will someone PLEASE release a domestic DVD!?
>
>Michael Nicolai
>(WTF is a bionoid, anyway?)
>
>
>
>
>In article <3910DD12...@home.com>,
> Graham McIntyre <gw...@home.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hahaha...gotta say, I love the Zentraedi broken English
though!
>>
>> WHAT IS LOVE HU MANS? Still cracks me up. Not to mention a
lot of Roy's
>> dialogue is really sexist.

buy my version. it's uncut cumpletely and the quality of
redickulustly fabulous!

isamu

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heh heh, what kind?

Youta

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Actually there is the uncut version of CotB. I don't know if the one he's
selling is it. It seems to be. I have a copy of it that someone made for me
years ago. It is in widescreen and seems to have every scene of the movie.
Hikaru still slaps Minmay, the guy still gets his head severed etc. CotB was
made like the Megazone 23 Part II dub, in english with Japanese subtitles at
the bottom, to teach Japanese people to speak English. When they released it
in America, they cut up the movie to make it "Just For Kids". To think that
people were actually learning English with on of the worst dubs ever... I
guess it sounded like a good idea at the time.

"Graham McIntyre" <gw...@home.com> wrote in message
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> > buy my version. it's uncut cumpletely and the quality of
> > redickulustly fabulous!
>

> uhhh....do I sense innuendo here?

Youta

Youta

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Really. I think you should get over Robotech and on with life, Keith. And
why Reba West?

"Dosun1" <dos...@aol.comremove> wrote in message
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> >
> >>I have CotB.
> >>
> >>Bought it used at Blockbuster for $2.99. No cover, just a black
clamshell
> >>with the title put on with a label maker. I think it was rented a lot.
The
> >>picture quality is terrible. The voice acting is... gosh. It makes Reba
West
> >>sound like Celine Dion (not that I like her either)
> >

> >No, Reba West still sucks in comparison with the Hong Kong dub.
>
>
> I think your antirobotech bias is going a little too far. Her role in
Robotech
> is far better than the cotb dub which is my I use as my guage to judge all
bad
> dubs. The robotech dub is oscar worthy compared to cotb which is not
suprising
> since most of the voice actors in it learned English as a second language.

Graham McIntyre

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Graham McIntyre

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> What's gone?!
> Minmei's songs... ok, I can live with that

What's wrong with Minmei!?
Kyun kyun, kyun kyun! Watashi no kare wa, pairotto!

corne...@my-deja.com

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I have CotB.

Bought it used at Blockbuster for $2.99. No cover, just a black clamshell
with the title put on with a label maker. I think it was rented a lot. The
picture quality is terrible. The voice acting is... gosh. It makes Reba West

sound like Celine Dion (not that I like her either). Of course, it's pan and
scan ("pan and scan" is another name for the devil, I tell you! the devil!)
so I'm missing a nice chunk of the picture. And 20 mins. of cuts? Ouch. Roy
doesn't only sound like a chauvinist, but a drunk to boot. It is very bad
version of DYRL, but the only copy I own.

It is one of my most prized possesions.

Will someone PLEASE release a domestic DVD!?

Michael Nicolai
(WTF is a bionoid, anyway?)


In article <3910DD12...@home.com>,
Graham McIntyre <gw...@home.com> wrote:
>


Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.

CokaCola Cat

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In article <3910DD12...@home.com>, gw...@home.com says...

>
> Hahaha...gotta say, I love the Zentraedi broken English though!
>
> WHAT IS LOVE HU MANS? Still cracks me up. Not to mention a lot of Roy's
> dialogue is really sexist.
>
No, no, Roy drunk is the best.

And, of course, we ALL know, "You can still fight when you're drunk!"

The Cat

Graham McIntyre

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O.D.

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He means that your girlfriend has enjoyed your "uncut and ridiculously
fabulous quality" long before you decided to pimp it out on eBay...

*That* kind of innuendo...!

o_O


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Keith

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>I have CotB.
>
>Bought it used at Blockbuster for $2.99. No cover, just a black clamshell
>with the title put on with a label maker. I think it was rented a lot. The
>picture quality is terrible. The voice acting is... gosh. It makes Reba West
>sound like Celine Dion (not that I like her either)

No, Reba West still sucks in comparison with the Hong Kong dub.

>Of course, it's pan and


>scan ("pan and scan" is another name for the devil, I tell you! the devil!)
>so I'm missing a nice chunk of the picture. And 20 mins. of cuts? Ouch. Roy
>doesn't only sound like a chauvinist, but a drunk to boot. It is very bad
>version of DYRL, but the only copy I own.
>
>It is one of my most prized possesions.
>
>Will someone PLEASE release a domestic DVD!?

You'll be better off picking up a fansub until someone does. Widescreen, hi-fi
audio, no edits, etc. The song trasnlations on the general scripts going around
suck, but that's overall livable.

>Michael Nicolai
>(WTF is a bionoid, anyway?)

It's best not to ask. Though my favorite lines are "Here's my lucky doll" &
"Watch jet jockey!"

~Keith

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Kanashii dekigotoga blue-ni someta kokoromo
Tenshi no enogu de nurikaeruyo
Omoinomamani -Lynn Minmay
~~~
ORE NO UTA WO KIITE! -Basara Nekki
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

http://members.aol.com/KeithL78/

Dosun1

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>
>>I have CotB.
>>
>>Bought it used at Blockbuster for $2.99. No cover, just a black clamshell
>>with the title put on with a label maker. I think it was rented a lot. The
>>picture quality is terrible. The voice acting is... gosh. It makes Reba West
>>sound like Celine Dion (not that I like her either)
>
>No, Reba West still sucks in comparison with the Hong Kong dub.

isamu

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yeah that's the 1 i'm selling

Keith

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>I think your antirobotech bias is going a little too far. Her role in
>Robotech
>is far better than the cotb dub which is my I use as my guage to judge all
>bad
>dubs. The robotech dub is oscar worthy compared to cotb which is not
>suprising
>since most of the voice actors in it learned English as a second language.

No bias whatsoever, Rebecca Frostadt (aka Reba West) blew mountain goats,
period. The HK dub Minmay way outclasses her.

Keith

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>Really. I think you should get over Robotech and on with life, Keith. And
>why Reba West?

Unlike your simpleminded self, I am perfectly capable of leading my life and
acknowledging what sucks.

CokaCola Cat

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In article <sh27ff3...@corp.supernews.com>, as...@gci.net says...

> Actually there is the uncut version of CotB. I don't know if the one he's
> selling is it. It seems to be. I have a copy of it that someone made for me
> years ago. It is in widescreen and seems to have every scene of the movie.
> Hikaru still slaps Minmay, the guy still gets his head severed etc. CotB was
> made like the Megazone 23 Part II dub, in english with Japanese subtitles at
> the bottom, to teach Japanese people to speak English. When they released it
> in America, they cut up the movie to make it "Just For Kids". To think that
> people were actually learning English with on of the worst dubs ever... I
> guess it sounded like a good idea at the time.

I have a laserdisk copy of the film, which is the widescreen edition,
subtitled in Japanse. Its uncut with all the goodies....I wouldn't trade
it for anything, with perhaps the exception of a DVD release of the
film. A little tidbit....many of the crew who did the dubbed voices in
DYRL have done many of the older Jackie Chan films.

The Cat

CokaCola Cat

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In article <20000504042139...@ng-ca1.aol.com>, keithl78
@aol.com says...

> >Really. I think you should get over Robotech and on with life, Keith. And
> >why Reba West?
>
> Unlike your simpleminded self, I am perfectly capable of leading my life and
> acknowledging what sucks.
>
> ~Keith

And as we all know, there is ALOT of suckage going on out there!
Robotech, Carl Macek, The Matrix, Skull's Fanfics, Sega, The Mets,
Pepsi....

Need I go on?

The Cat

Keith

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>I have a laserdisk copy of the film, which is the widescreen edition,
>subtitled in Japanse. Its uncut with all the goodies....I wouldn't trade
>it for anything, with perhaps the exception of a DVD release of the
>film. A little tidbit....many of the crew who did the dubbed voices in
>DYRL have done many of the older Jackie Chan films.
>
>The Cat

Some Godzilla films as well from what I've heard.

Youta

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"Keith" <keit...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20000504042139...@ng-ca1.aol.com...

> >Really. I think you should get over Robotech and on with life, Keith. And
> >why Reba West?
>
> Unlike your simpleminded self, I am perfectly capable of leading my life
and
> acknowledging what sucks.
>
> ~Keith
>
Robotech always sucks on alt.fan.macross. There's nothing left to
acknowledge about it.

Youta

Dosun1

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>A little tidbit....many of the crew who did the dubbed voices in
>DYRL have done many of the older Jackie Chan films.
>

Yep, I actually caught one of them on TNT (or was it TBS).

Dosun1

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>>I think your antirobotech bias is going a little too far. Her role in
>>Robotech
>>is far better than the cotb dub which is my I use as my guage to judge all
>>bad
>>dubs. The robotech dub is oscar worthy compared to cotb which is not
>>suprising
>>since most of the voice actors in it learned English as a second language.
>
>No bias whatsoever, Rebecca Frostadt (aka Reba West) blew mountain goats,
>period. The HK dub Minmay way outclasses her.
>
>~Keith


No bias whatsoever? Yeah right. We all know how you feel about Robotech so who
are you trying to kid? Get over it already.

Keith

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>No bias whatsoever? Yeah right. We all know how you feel about Robotech so
>who
>are you trying to kid? Get over it already.

Like I said oh simpleminded one, I've the ability to both acknowledge what
sucks, and live my life, it's called not being a dumbass. Why don't you "get
over it."

Dosun1

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>>No bias whatsoever? Yeah right. We all know how you feel about Robotech so
>>who
>>are you trying to kid? Get over it already.
>
>Like I said oh simpleminded one, I've the ability to both acknowledge what
>sucks, and live my life, it's called not being a dumbass. Why don't you "get
>over it."
>


Whatever you say, anyone reading this newsgroup long enough knows you love
anything Macross and hate anything Robotech, thus again you are not fooling
anyone by trying to act like you are objective in this case. Anyways, I am way
past the I hate robotech, carl macek is the devil phase unlike yourself thus I
am already "over it". I suggest you do the same.

Keith

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>Whatever you say, anyone reading this newsgroup long enough knows you love
>anything Macross and hate anything Robotech, thus again you are not fooling
>anyone by trying to act like you are objective in this case.

No, anyone reading your inane posts would come to the conclusion that you've
got some type of grudge. While Macross vastly outclasses Robotech, and Carl
Macek is anime's answer to hitler, I hardly hate Robotech, it just comes up
vastly sub par when compared.

>Anyways, I am
>way
>past the I hate robotech, carl macek is the devil phase unlike yourself thus
>I
>am already "over it". I suggest you do the same.

No, you're over nothing, otherwise you wouldn't whine anytime anyone else
expresses a bit of honestly.

Jeffrey T. Jhee

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Part of the reason the video is poor quality is that it wasn't recorded
in SP mode.

corne...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> I have CotB.
>
> Bought it used at Blockbuster for $2.99. No cover, just a black clamshell
> with the title put on with a label maker. I think it was rented a lot. The
> picture quality is terrible. The voice acting is... gosh. It makes Reba West

> sound like Celine Dion (not that I like her either). Of course, it's pan and


> scan ("pan and scan" is another name for the devil, I tell you! the devil!)
> so I'm missing a nice chunk of the picture. And 20 mins. of cuts? Ouch. Roy
> doesn't only sound like a chauvinist, but a drunk to boot. It is very bad
> version of DYRL, but the only copy I own.
>
> It is one of my most prized possesions.
>
> Will someone PLEASE release a domestic DVD!?
>

> Michael Nicolai
> (WTF is a bionoid, anyway?)
>

> In article <3910DD12...@home.com>,
> Graham McIntyre <gw...@home.com> wrote:
> >

> > Hahaha...gotta say, I love the Zentraedi broken English though!
> >
> > WHAT IS LOVE HU MANS? Still cracks me up. Not to mention a lot of Roy's
> > dialogue is really sexist.
> >
>

> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.

--

Dosun1

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>No, anyone reading your inane posts would come to the conclusion that you've
>got some type of grudge.

Grudge? Against what/whom? Inane posts? Whatever, that's not suprising as those
who know they've lost their arguements often result to petty insults.

While Macross vastly outclasses Robotech, and Carl
>Macek is anime's answer to hitler, I hardly hate Robotech, it just comes up
>vastly sub par when compared.


"Yeah I don't hate Robotech at all, BTW Macek is Hitler." Okay whatever you
say Mr Objectivity. You could at least be honest and say you hate robotech, no
one here would care (quite the opposite) and it's already obvious. Why the
facade?

>>Anyways, I am
>>way
>>past the I hate robotech, carl macek is the devil phase unlike yourself thus
>>I
>>am already "over it". I suggest you do the same.
>
>No, you're over nothing, otherwise you wouldn't whine anytime anyone else
>expresses a bit of honestly.

It's not whining when I question how anyone can like anything about the cotb
dub, that is one of the bad dubs of all time of all films and has nothing to do
with Macross vs Robotech except in your mind. Also it's not honesty in saying
the voice acting of the cotb minmei is better than robotech minmei, it's just
your contempt for Robotech plain and simple. The common I hate robotech minmei
attitude you possess is what this is all about, not any real comparision
between the minmei in cotb and reba west. Or maybe you just prefer your voice
actresses speak english with heavy accents.


Graham McIntyre

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CokaCola Cat wrote:

>
> And as we all know, there is ALOT of suckage going on out there!
> Robotech, Carl Macek, The Matrix, Skull's Fanfics, Sega, The Mets,
> Pepsi....
>
> Need I go on?
>
> The Cat

PLEASE, JUST DIE, SEGA!

Keith

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>Grudge? Against what/whom? Inane posts? Whatever, that's not suprising as
>those
>who know they've lost their arguements often result to petty insults.

Basically admitting you lost the argument several posts ago.

>"Yeah I don't hate Robotech at all, BTW Macek is Hitler."

Actually, I said Macek was anime's answer to Hitler, two entirely different
things.

>Okay whatever you
>say Mr Objectivity.

I knew you'd see it my way.

>You could at least be honest and say you hate robotech,
>no
>one here would care (quite the opposite) and it's already obvious. Why the
>facade?

And yet I don't hate Robotech, I find it a much weaker version of Macross &
Mospeada (& SC I suppose), but I still don't hate it. Nor do I deny it's huge
weakpoints.

>>>Anyways, I am
>>>way
>>>past the I hate robotech, carl macek is the devil phase unlike yourself
>thus
>>>I
>>>am already "over it". I suggest you do the same.
>>
>>No, you're over nothing, otherwise you wouldn't whine anytime anyone else
>>expresses a bit of honestly.
>
>It's not whining when I question how anyone can like anything about the cotb
>dub, that is one of the bad dubs of all time of all films and has nothing to
>do
>with Macross vs Robotech except in your mind.

No, you're the one who brought up Macross vs Robotech, not me. I pointed out
that RF(W) still managed to be worse than any of the HK dubbers, fact.

>Also it's not honesty in saying
>the voice acting of the cotb minmei is better than robotech minmei, it's just
>your contempt for Robotech plain and simple.

No, it's fact, she was worse than any any & all of the HK actors put together.
The only one bringing up a grudge against Robotech here is you.

>The common I hate robotech
>minmei
>attitude you possess is what this is all about, not any real comparision
>between the minmei in cotb and reba west. Or maybe you just prefer your
>voice
>actresses speak english with heavy accents.

Thank you mr. dimestore psychologist for yet another off the wall & off the
mark observation. Besides which, what do YOU have against accents?

O.D.

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Don't worry about that... PS2, Dolphin and X-Box are coming...

"... They will assimilate all that is Sega, and last for...umm...5
years..."


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Um, errr....my dog is named CIndy. ^.^;;;


Fory (who is just trying to end a flame war)

"But who here hasn't wished that they could fix politics simply by jumping in a
giant mecha and going to Washington?"

Keith

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>Don't worry about that... PS2, Dolphin and X-Box are coming...
>
>"... They will assimilate all that is Sega, and last for...umm...5
>years..."

Well, Sega really does make good games, they just need to spend a while being a
third party publisher again instead of jumping the gun with their systems
constantly, and trying to pull the "add-on hardware" trick that never works.

Dosun1

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>>Grudge? Against what/whom? Inane posts? Whatever, that's not suprising as
>>those
>>who know they've lost their arguements often result to petty insults.
>
>Basically admitting you lost the argument several posts ago.
>

Say what? This really isn't an arguement anyways as much as it is me exposing
you as the issue at hand is not even worth debating. Again you are not fooling
anyone trying to pretend like you are objective about anything.

>>"Yeah I don't hate Robotech at all, BTW Macek is Hitler."
>
>Actually, I said Macek was anime's answer to Hitler, two entirely different
>things.

Okay then, "Yeah I don't hate Robotech at all, BTW Macek is anime's answer to
Hitler." Still supports my point.

>>Okay whatever you
>>say Mr Objectivity.
>
>I knew you'd see it my way.
>

Yep you are about as objective to Robotech as you are to Macross. You'd
probably defend a gay porno if it was Macross related.

<snip>

>No, you're the one who brought up Macross vs Robotech, not me. I pointed out
>that RF(W) still managed to be worse than any of the HK dubbers, fact.
>

Fact? Only in your mind. Old HK movies are the benchmark for bad dubbing, West
doesn't even get honorable mention in that category.

>>Also it's not honesty in saying
>>the voice acting of the cotb minmei is better than robotech minmei, it's
>just
>>your contempt for Robotech plain and simple.
>
>No, it's fact, she was worse than any any & all of the HK actors put
>together.

Another gross exageration. You haven't watched many Chinese movies as there are
FAR worse examples of dubbing.

>The only one bringing up a grudge against Robotech here is you.
>

We all know if robotech had been an 100% accurate translation of macross we
wouldn't be having this discussion right now and your opinion of Reba West
would be different. You'd probably worship her and be president of her fanclub.
This is all about your dislike about robotech not a actual comparison of the
two voice actresses. If it were why don't you mention some of things you
thought the cotb minmei did better than Reba West? Better yet, why don't
mention somethings you liked about robotech since you don't hate it? (The day
Keith complements Robotech or criticizes Macross is the day hell freezes over).

>>The common I hate robotech
>>minmei
>>attitude you possess is what this is all about, not any real comparision
>>between the minmei in cotb and reba west. Or maybe you just prefer your
>>voice
>>actresses speak english with heavy accents.
>
>Thank you mr. dimestore psychologist for yet another off the wall & off the
>mark observation. Besides which, what do YOU have against accents?
>

And you know it's right on the nail. It's not hard to predict your viewpoint of
everything: you'll like anything with Macross on the front of it and staunchly
defend ALL aspects of it while with Robotech its the exact opposite. I can
recognize the strength and weaknesses of both, can you? What's wrong with heavy
accents in English dubs? Ummm I think the answer is in the question. I'll end
this right now as it is pointless going back and worth with someone like you.
This whole issue isn't even debatable as anyone listening to 1 minute of cotb
and then 1 minute of robotech would know which is the better dub. If you
actually think Robotech would have been better if they got that chick from cotb
to play Minmei you are seriously deluded. So go ahead and have the last word as
I know this would go on forever if you didn't.

Keith

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>Say what? This really isn't an arguement anyways as much as it is me exposing
>you as the issue at hand is not even worth debating. Again you are not
>fooling
>anyone trying to pretend like you are objective about anything.

Copout. Didn't say I was objective about everything, just that I didn't hate
Robotech.

>Okay then, "Yeah I don't hate Robotech at all, BTW Macek is anime's answer to
>Hitler." Still supports my point.

No, Macek being anime's answer to hitler refers to Macek alone. If I said
Robotech was anime's answer to hitler, then you'd have something to work with.

>Yep you are about as objective to Robotech as you are to Macross. You'd
>probably defend a gay porno if it was Macross related.

That was mature, you were trying to claim some type of moral highground were
you? Besides which, Macross II shatters that argument.

><snip>

Can't handle the length?

>Fact? Only in your mind. Old HK movies are the benchmark for bad dubbing,
>West
>doesn't even get honorable mention in that category.

Now who's being biased? Even Robotech fans acknowledged how much she sucked.

>Another gross exageration. You haven't watched many Chinese movies as there
>are
>FAR worse examples of dubbing.

And she's right up there with them.

>>The only one bringing up a grudge against Robotech here is you.
>>
>
>We all know if robotech had been an 100% accurate translation of macross we
>wouldn't be having this discussion right now and your opinion of Reba West
>would be different. You'd probably worship her and be president of her
>fanclub.

Except that I wouldn't, as I'm not fond of dubs in general.

>This is all about your dislike about robotech not a actual comparison of the
>two voice actresses.

Nope, definately a comparison of the two voice actresses. Perhaps if you'd pull
your head out of your ass, and get over whatever your deluted grudge is about,
you'd see that.

>If it were why don't you mention some of things you
>thought the cotb minmei did better than Reba West?

Act?

>Better yet, why don't

Too late.

>mention somethings you liked about robotech since you don't hate it?

1.Only version of Mospeada currently available.
2.Didn't "completelY" change everything.
3.Still managed to be somewhat entertaining despite screwing up the theme from
anti-war to pro-war.

>(The day
>Keith complements Robotech or criticizes Macross is the day hell freezes
>over).

No, that would be the day you got off my ass, the least you could do is engage
me in an actual conflict, instead of trying to create your own.

>And you know it's right on the nail. It's not hard to predict your viewpoint
>of
>everything: you'll like anything with Macross on the front of it

By such rules I'd also love the Robotech version of Macross, the CotB edit, the
overall bad translation of the CothB dub, the dub in general, and Macross II.
All I said was the HK dub Minmay was better than the Robotech dub Minmay, which
she is.

>and
>staunchly
>defend ALL aspects of it while with Robotech its the exact opposite. I can
>recognize the strength and weaknesses of both, can you?

If you think the dubbing in Robotech was remotely good, then apparently you
can't either.

>What's wrong with
>heavy
>accents in English dubs? Ummm I think the answer is in the question.

No it doesn't, your overall implication is very prejudiced, as the current U.S.
standard of English (which has many accented varients of its own) is not
international, nor was it the first accent used with the English language.

>I'll end
>this right now as it is pointless going back and worth with someone like you.

Only because I can easily call you on all the BS you spew.

>This whole issue isn't even debatable as anyone listening to 1 minute of cotb
>and then 1 minute of robotech would know which is the better dub.

Neither, doesn't change the fact that the HK Minmay still managed to be better.

>If you
>actually think Robotech would have been better if they got that chick from
>cotb
>to play Minmei you are seriously deluded.

Not nearly as deluted as you if you think RR(W) can act.

>So go ahead and have the last word
>as I know this would go on forever if you didn't.

Since you asked so nicely, I will. That last word shall be "Ni."

CokaCola Cat

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<snip>

You know what I always thought was so cool about this movie? That
robotic owl. I thought that was the coolest thing when I was a kid. I
just never understood what it was doing in ancient Greece....

The Cat

Graham McIntyre

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Yes, I love robotic owls too. What the hell are you talking about? Is it
some sort of top-secret UN Spacy project, the YF-24 Great Horned Owl?

isamu

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corne...@my-deja.com

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And don't forget! DC makes a great internet browser!

Well, not really, but it's better than nothing, I guess... :(

Michael Nicolai
(patiently waiting for a REAL computer..)

In article <20000505132737...@ng-fu1.aol.com>,


keit...@aol.com (Keith) wrote:
> >Don't worry about that... PS2, Dolphin and X-Box are coming...
> >
> >"... They will assimilate all that is Sega, and last for...umm...5
> >years..."
>
> Well, Sega really does make good games, they just need to spend a while being a
> third party publisher again instead of jumping the gun with their systems
> constantly, and trying to pull the "add-on hardware" trick that never works.
>

> ~Keith
>
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> Kanashii dekigotoga blue-ni someta kokoromo
> Tenshi no enogu de nurikaeruyo
> Omoinomamani -Lynn Minmay
> ~~~
> ORE NO UTA WO KIITE! -Basara Nekki
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>
> http://members.aol.com/KeithL78/
>

O.D.

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DC makes a great paperweight with internet capabilities...


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isamu

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wutchu talkin 'bout willis?

O.D.

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IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU THINK!!!
AS LONG AS YOU SMELL WHAT THE MICROSOFT IS COOKIN' !!!

(*O.D. cues the theme song. The crowd chants The Microsoft's name:
"Monopoly! Monopoly!...")

Sega is going under...**

(**O.D.: still not related to the CokaCola Cat...!)


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CokaCola Cat

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In article <iGrR4.33121$nB3.1...@news1.rdc2.on.home.com>, ross_01
@hotmail.com says...

> IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU THINK!!!
> AS LONG AS YOU SMELL WHAT THE MICROSOFT IS COOKIN' !!!
>
> (*O.D. cues the theme song. The crowd chants The Microsoft's name:
> "Monopoly! Monopoly!...")
>
> Sega is going under...**
>
> (**O.D.: still not related to the CokaCola Cat...!)

Wha? I still don't get what the hell that means....

--
The Cat
Yankees 2000 - Its A Kind of Magic!

O.D.

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Someone was accusing us of being related.

Don't know what crack/ganja/meth amphetamine that dude was sniffin'
through...!

^_^


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