Video of TLKOB
Hector Zuniga Gallo
I want obtain the TLKOB video.
And I ask if someone can send me one copy of that.
I'm Chilean and i can't go to brodway to watch that.
Thank
P.d.: Sorry for my english...
Hector Zuniga G.
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Sean Silvernail
> hello
> I want obtain the TLKOB video.
> And I ask if someone can send me one copy of that.
> I'm Chilean and i can't go to brodway to watch that.
> Thank
Sadly there is no video as of yet. There also hasn't been any solid
information on making one in the future. Right now the only way to see it is
to go to it. I do hope that changes though.
Sean
Stahi
Either the video or a PBS special. Same thing. Cats wasn't that bad
on TV. :)
But, knowing Disney.. eh.
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Magnwa Spiritseer
>
> Sadly there is no video as of yet. There also hasn't been any solid
> information on making one in the future. Right now the only way to see it is
> to go to it. I do hope that changes though.
Even if a video is made, it would never do it justice.. I hope they don't make
a movie of it. It'd be too .. lame. There is a movie of TLKoB :) It's called
"The Lion King" :)
Magnwa
Paul Summers
On Mon, 11 Oct 1999, Magnwa Spiritseer wrote:
> Even if a video is made, it would never do it justice.. I hope they don't make
> a movie of it. It'd be too .. lame. There is a movie of TLKoB :) It's called
> "The Lion King" :)
Mmm.. if it's filmed correctly. The Cats release was quite good,
having seen it live, the DVD lets you get up close and personal on some
details you may miss unless you were sitting really close to the stage.
TLKoB could be filmed... if done properly, it would be quite cool.
However, I'm not sure if Disney would do that. They worked hard for their
rep on broadway, and I don't think they want to ruin that. (as a video
would do-- live theatre is just that)
We'll see. :)
Paul
Sean Silvernail
> Even if a video is made, it would never do it justice.. I hope they don't
make
> a movie of it. It'd be too .. lame. There is a movie of TLKoB :) It's
called
> "The Lion King" :)
>
For me the Broadway production and the original movie are two very different
things. A "video" or "movie" of TLKoB could certainly do it justice in my
eyes. Being there and watching a DVD are different experiences yes...but
each has advantages. Having both seen Cats live and on DVD has allowed me to
see just what can be done in both cases. When you see it live you get an
incredible sense of being involved...the whole production surrounds you, but
I have yet to be at a show (even TLKoB) where the theater sound system was
very good (I do know that they try, but the old theaters just weren't
designed for surround equipment). Also no matter where you sit you aren't in
the right place for everything. On DVD you can get up close and see details
impossible to see live...the sound quality is suburb and on a good
entertainment center can be tailored to your taste (that's a huge plus for
me!). The big disadvantage is that you can only see what the director
decides on. If they ever did film TLKoB I hope the directors study the
methods used for the filming of Cats...if they do it could be like seeing
the show for the very first time again.
As far as a film of it being lame....remember how many thought the entire
idea of TLKoB was lame? Remember the costumes getting ripped apart on here?
The whole concept being disliked? Now many of those same people that said it
was stupid can't stop praising the show and everything about it.....you just
never know until you see it.
Moshanyana
Simba Wiltz
> idea of TLKoB was lame? Remember the costumes getting ripped apart on
here?
> The whole concept being disliked? Now many of those same people that said
it
> was stupid can't stop praising the show and everything about it.....you
just
> never know until you see it.
The video would be a step backward. They took the movie from storyboards and
drawings to real life, why would they go back to video again? And the video
would only be as good as the CD. Despite many aspects being the same, the
reality of the play far outweighs the effectiveness of the video. I have
seen TLKoB several times and no two performances were exactly alike. If they
videotaped it, it would reduce the human soul put into the show night after
night to automatons doomed to repeat the same lines in the exact same way
each time you pressed the play button.
Yes, it might be good the first few times, but you lose bits and pieces of
the actor's brilliance. Take for example, the music. If you went to see the
play today, the songs would be 'different' than they are on the CD. You
might know all the words but an extra flutter of voice here or there, and
the song takes on a completely different feel.
The only way I could possibly see a video being effective is if they used
the technology from 'The Matrix' to introduce a virtual camera that allowed
you free reign over angles, distances, focus, zooms, and observations. In
short, they'd have to create a digital 'eye' for you to see it with. Even
then, a little something is lost in the translation (exact same thing over
and over and over...). It's best to try to see it yourself.
-Simba W.
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On Tue, 12 Oct 1999, Simba Wiltz wrote:
> The only way I could possibly see a video being effective is if they used
> the technology from 'The Matrix' to introduce a virtual camera that allowed
> you free reign over angles, distances, focus, zooms, and observations. In
> short, they'd have to create a digital 'eye' for you to see it with. Even
> then, a little something is lost in the translation (exact same thing over
> and over and over...). It's best to try to see it yourself.
The matrix didn't use virtual cameras... it used a LOT of cameras.
The show-stopping vairable time shots (like, when someone jumps, time
freezes, and the camera does a 180 around the actor) are pulled off on a
greenscreen soundstage with a large arc of a few hundred digital cameras,
and 2-4 film cameras. When an actor does a stunt, like jumping up for a
kick, the array of cameras is fired in a fast sequence while the motion
cameras pick up the 'start' and 'finish' angles. Then it all comes
together in post production.
It's really rather cool, but totally impractical for a musical.
The matrix took nearly two years to complete.
The part that I find amusing is that the all the intensive FX for
the movie were rendered on machines running the same OS as lionking.org.
:)
Paul
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SNIP
Having both seen Cats live and on DVD has allowed me to
see just what can be done in both cases. When you see it live you get an
incredible sense of being involved...the whole production surrounds you,
but
I have yet to be at a show (even TLKoB) where the theater sound system
was
very good (I do know that they try, but the old theaters just weren't
designed for surround equipment). Also no matter where you sit you aren't
in
the right place for everything. On DVD you can get up close and see
details
impossible to see live...the sound quality is suburb and on a good
entertainment center can be tailored to your taste (that's a huge plus
for
me!). The big disadvantage is that you can only see what the director
decides on. If they ever did film TLKoB I hope the directors study the
methods used for the filming of Cats...if they do it could be like seeing
the show for the very first time again.
SNIP
I agree, I don't see ANY way there could be a draw back if the video was
made well. the video woudn't be made to replace the stage show, it never
will or could, there is no way a flat screen can replace the effect of
actual actors right infront of you on stage, but the video would be made
to do two things, first it would allow people who have already seen it
enjoy portions of it any time they wanted in stead of having to pay cash
and wait a week(or longer) to see it again. second it would allow people
who cannot see it because of money or transportation to enjoy parts of
it, after all why should only the people who live in new york or london
see it? and so seeing( if made well) it would probably wet their appities
so to speak. they would want to see it more because the parts they missed
because you really only can see what is filmed , and to make sure they
wheren't wasting their time and money. in the end it should make a
person's goal to see it live. that is if it is made well, if it were
made like junk then it might turn a persom away who hasn't seen it. but
because it does not exist at this time we really can't say if it would be
good or not at this time. we will have to wait for disney, but my guess
based on what disney did first with the movie and then the musical, it
would be a smash hit.
but that brings another question, how many of you who have seen CATS
(like myself) and TLKoB or TLKiL ?(unlike myself) and if so which one do
you like best and why? I know most of you would say TLK all the way
because you are fans, but step back for a moment and forget you have ever
heard of TLK, then which one is better? just curious.
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Sichi/Sarafina
> It's really rather cool, but totally impractical for a musical.
>The matrix took nearly two years to complete.
>
> The part that I find amusing is that the all the intensive FX for
>the movie were rendered on machines running the same OS as lionking.org.
>:)
Not nearly as amusing as a look at the credits. Which effects took the most
work force to create? You'd be amazed...
So they used their own software to create them?
Sichi
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Simba Wiltz
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Really? Gee, then I must have been deaf when I watched all that behind the
scenes stuff :p
Should anyone see the DVD special features before replying, they'd note that
the creator of 'bullet time' photography described his technique as moving
from analog to 'virtual digital cameras' that allow an ultimate range of
angles. The technique has the ability to give unparalleled control of
viewpoint, if tweaked enough to accomodate a grander view.
> It's really rather cool, but totally impractical for a musical.
> The matrix took nearly two years to complete.
And The Lion King took four. It'd still be two years less than the original
animated feature ;) Post production would be the pain more than the
performance.
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Paul Summers
On Tue, 12 Oct 1999, Sichi/Sarafina wrote:
> Not nearly as amusing as a look at the credits. Which effects took the most
> work force to create? You'd be amazed...
>
> So they used their own software to create them?
Pretty much... your average C++ SGI programs ported over to
FreeBSD. They used 32 Dell Dual PII's running FreeBSD as the core redering
farm, which was responsible for cranking out the majority of the really
insane FX.
Paul
Paul Summers
On Tue, 12 Oct 1999, Simba Wiltz wrote:
> Really? Gee, then I must have been deaf when I watched all that behind the
> scenes stuff :p
>
> Should anyone see the DVD special features before replying, they'd note that
> the creator of 'bullet time' photography described his technique as moving
> from analog to 'virtual digital cameras' that allow an ultimate range of
> angles. The technique has the ability to give unparalleled control of
> viewpoint, if tweaked enough to accomodate a grander view.
'Virtual' is unfortunately an over-used buzz word that has little
or nothing to do with 'virtual' cameras. The 'bullet time' format was
first developed by MGM back in the 1950s, using straight up still cameras
in an arc array, with live motion cameras. The actual term is a
perspective camera dolly. The only difference with the matrix, is that
once the scene is shot (digitally) it is then pieced together entirely by
computer in post production.
The idea is to stop, or in the case of the matrix, significantly
slow time while you rotate around a subject. There most certainly are NOT
a zillion full motion cameras in some kind of circle around everything. I
know this as I have worked on film productions, and considering your
average panaflex or arri camera runs about a million bucks, it's simply
not feasable to do ONE SINGLE effect with about a billion dollars worth of
hardware.
Feel free to stop by White Flame Productions sometime, and see how
it really works.
Paul
Kublia
>
> > As far as a film of it being lame....remember how many thought the entire
> > idea of TLKoB was lame? Remember the costumes getting ripped apart on
> here?
> > The whole concept being disliked? Now many of those same people that said
> it
> > was stupid can't stop praising the show and everything about it.....you
> just
> > never know until you see it.
I admit Julie Taymor's costume sketches looked way more abstract than
the final costumes, that was one reason why I was one of them who
diskliked them. Then again, look at the early concept sketches of the
TLK characters in TAoTLK. It was the same there, compared to the final
film.
> The video would be a step backward. They took the movie from storyboards and
> drawings to real life, why would they go back to video again? And the video
> would only be as good as the CD.
..which turned me into a TLK musical fan despite the lack of the
performance itself!! I guess it is only a question of HOW FAR the step
back would be. Step back or not, it is not a step back towards the
original film. A stage performance is still something vastly different.
Luckily I can judge now.
> Despite many aspects being the same, the
> reality of the play far outweighs the effectiveness of the video. I have
> seen TLKoB several times and no two performances were exactly alike. If they
> videotaped it, it would reduce the human soul put into the show night after
> night to automatons doomed to repeat the same lines in the exact same way
> each time you pressed the play button.
Oh, c'mon, Simba. It is not that bad, IMHO. It takes sensitivity and
empathy to love a film like TLK, don't tell me you don't have the same
for a possible TLK musical video. A few things will be lacking, but I
can only emphasize what Andre Lloyd Webber did with Cats on DVD. Camera
positions, special costumes, orchestra, etc. this is a GREAT thing.
Just I'd like to have Mr. Webber for lunch, because "Growltiger's last
stand" is missing on the European Cats DVD.
> Yes, it might be good the first few times, but you lose bits and pieces of
> the actor's brilliance. Take for example, the music. If you went to see the
> play today, the songs would be 'different' than they are on the CD. You
> might know all the words but an extra flutter of voice here or there, and
> the song takes on a completely different feel.
>
> The only way I could possibly see a video being effective is if they used
> the technology from 'The Matrix' to introduce a virtual camera that allowed
> you free reign over angles, distances, focus, zooms, and observations. In
> short, they'd have to create a digital 'eye' for you to see it with. Even
> then, a little something is lost in the translation (exact same thing over
> and over and over...). It's best to try to see it yourself.
DVDs at least feature different camera angles, so it could work to a
degree.
Oh well, I guess it is very much a matter of taste. :)
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