People chucking stuff off bridges
Ian Rawlings
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/beds/bucks/herts/8323707.stm
Essentially some kids were chucking drinks onto cars going under a
bridge and two chaps got out, slapped one of them and threatened to
throw them off the bridge, the police are after the *men*, no mention
of sorting the kids out..
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Good on the chap that slapped him, bet the kid will think twice before
pouring stuff off a bridge again.
What the hell sort of road is a "H7" by the way
GGJ
Lee_D
And rightly so the men are being sought. What gave them the right to give
the lads a slapping then threaten to kill them?
Don't for one minute mistake my view as not being in support of dealing with
anyone who throws stuff from bridges. But having rampant vigilantes running
amock isn't the answer.
Lee D
Lizzy Taylor
>
> Good on the chap that slapped him, bet the kid will think twice before
> pouring stuff off a bridge again.
> What the hell sort of road is a "H7" by the way
H7 means Horizontal 7 in Milton Keynes road designation parlance i.e. it
runs west-east (or east-west) and is the 7th of a set of such
parallel-ish roads in their grid system. North-south/south-north roads
are designated V1 and upwards, where indicates vertical.
Lizzy
Ian Rawlings
> And rightly so the men are being sought. What gave them the right to give
> the lads a slapping then threaten to kill them?
Them trying to cause a car accident?
> Don't for one minute mistake my view as not being in support of dealing with
> anyone who throws stuff from bridges. But having rampant vigilantes running
> amock isn't the answer.
The alternative was basically fuck all though, if they'd called your
lot they'd have done sod all.
Ian Rawlings
> H7 means Horizontal 7 in Milton Keynes road designation parlance i.e. it
> runs west-east (or east-west) and is the 7th of a set of such
> parallel-ish roads in their grid system. North-south/south-north roads
> are designated V1 and upwards, where indicates vertical.
Yeck, Milton Keynes, what a mad place, I can see why the yanks are so
weird, all their towns are like that! Last time I was there I got
lost an awful lot as every place looks like every other place, and I
had sat nav!
GGJ
>
> H7 means Horizontal 7 in Milton Keynes road designation parlance i.e. it
> runs west-east (or east-west) and is the 7th of a set of such parallel-ish
> roads in their grid system. North-south/south-north roads are designated
> V1 and upwards, where indicates vertical.
>
> Lizzy
Thanks for that Lizzy, learn something new everyday,
I'll keep a look out if I'm ever in the MK area. Have not been there for at
least 20 years, so I am sure
it may well be alot bigger these days.
Cheers
GGJ
Martin Mose Larsen
Sort of like the streets/avenues-system on Manhattan?
sayonara
Martin Mose Larsen
Lee_D
> On 2009-10-24, Lee_D <newsgrou...@NOSPAMlrproject.com> wrote:
>
>> And rightly so the men are being sought. What gave them the right to give
>> the lads a slapping then threaten to kill them?
>
> Them trying to cause a car accident?
>
>> Don't for one minute mistake my view as not being in support of dealing
>> with
>> anyone who throws stuff from bridges. But having rampant vigilantes
>> running
>> amock isn't the answer.
>
> The alternative was basically fuck all though, if they'd called your
> lot they'd have done sod all.
Why?
Dave Liquorice
>> And rightly so the men are being sought. What gave them the right
to
>> give the lads a slapping then threaten to kill them?
>
> Them trying to cause a car accident?
Where does it say that?
"The 13-year-old was walking between Leadenhall and Eaglestone with
friends who were pouring a drink over the bridge on to the road
below."
I read that to mean a container held over the barrier and the
contents being poured out whilst walking along not "chucking stuff"
(ie the container and contents) off the bridge onto the road below.
As with the vast majority of news stories you don't get the full
story and when you start to examine what you have got more questions
are raised than are answered.
>> The alternative was basically fuck all though, if they'd called
your
>> lot they'd have done sod all.
>
> Why?
Unfortunately "sod all" is what an awful lot of the population think
is always the result of calling the Police. I suspect if a call of
kids "chucking stuff off" a bridge had been made there would have
been a fairly rapid response. Always assuming that there was a unit
available and they weren't all tied up with a load of drunken yobs
intent on a fight in a town center pub.
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Cheers
Dave.
Nige
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Isnt it genaeral in the uk as in A1 etc?
Lee_D
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I felt sorry for the lad to be honest. I mean it must be true as its in the
media right? So then there you are walking along with your mates(?) who then
bog off and leave you to be threatened with being thrown over a bridge at
the age of 13 by two grown up blokes. No where does it say the lad threw
anything at all, or even poured owt?
So I guess people are filling in the blanks and assuming he is guilty by
assosication because he knows these people right(?) and clearly lieing
because hes some kind of hoodie scum carrying a blade and no doubt pedaling
drugs too. In fact I'll bet he must have been on his way to rob the local
off licence.
Thank god they no longer hang folk!
Are we reading different articles here?
I don't know what to be more beamused by, the response to the text or the
muppet that decided to create a whole new road naming convention.
andrew
> So then there you are walking along with your mates(?) who then
> bog off and leave you to be threatened with being thrown over a bridge at
> the age of 13 by two grown up blokes. No where does it say the lad threw
> anything at all, or even poured owt?
This is how I read it and is my gripe about vigilantism, there're no checks
or balances so often the wrong person is accused and subsequently
the "punishment" is out of all proportion to the alleged crime.
AJH
hugh
<li...@thetaylorfamily.org.uk> writes
so easily.
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hugh
It may be more complicated but is it better?
hugh
<ne...@sylva.icuklive.co.uk> writes
thrown off the bridge.
So do you argue that ordinary citizens should not intervene when either
a crime is being committed or there is life threatening danger being
deliberately created? The liquid itself would not do much damage - but
the reaction of passing drivers to seeing something falling off a bridge
directly above them could easily create mayhem.
Dougal
> In message <7kiia6F...@mid.individual.net>, andrew
> <ne...@sylva.icuklive.co.uk> writes
>> Lee_D wrote:
>>
>>> So then there you are walking along with your mates(?) who then
>>> bog off and leave you to be threatened with being thrown over a
>>> bridge at
>>> the age of 13 by two grown up blokes. No where does it say the lad threw
>>> anything at all, or even poured owt?
>>
>> This is how I read it and is my gripe about vigilantism, there're no
>> checks
>> or balances so often the wrong person is accused and subsequently
>> the "punishment" is out of all proportion to the alleged crime.
>>
>> AJH
> The alleged punishment was merely to be threatened, not actually to be
> thrown off the bridge.
Oooo - threats - that's more serious than actually doing anything these
days.
andrew
> The alleged punishment was merely to be threatened, not actually to be
> thrown off the bridge.
Not so, the report says he was held over the side of the bridge, this is
akin to being sentenced to death by firing squad not knowing *all* of the
bullets are blank, it's torture pure and simple.
They also appear to not have caught the perpetrators.
>
> So do you argue that ordinary citizens should not intervene when either
> a crime is being committed or there is life threatening danger being
> deliberately created? The liquid itself would not do much damage - but
> the reaction of passing drivers to seeing something falling off a bridge
> directly above them could easily create mayhem.
I did not condone the alleged crime nor comment on its potential danger.
Nor did I comment on whether asking the police to attend would have achieved
any sensible result, which, if my experience is anything to go by, would
have been a waste of anybody's time except the police's, who IMO are very
well paid to waste time and are artful in it.
I do believe ordinary citizens should intervene when they can do some good,
safely, and should report the crime, unfortunately I also believe the
police are unlikely to deliver a satisfactory result.
What I did agree with Lee was that taking the law into your own hands was
worse.
AJH
SteveG
past they devised a clock method plus a hierarchy of road
classification. "A" was for major roads, "B" for secondary roads and "C"
for minor roads (they don't use "C" anymore). The clock was numbered
using London as the centre as all the major roads radiated from there
and 1 being the major axis up the country - towards Edinburgh. 2 was the
next major road going clockwise - towards the S East - 3 went towards
Southampton (generally south(ish)), 4 towards the west country, 5 to the
Midlands and 6 to the N West.
In between these major arterial routes they numbered other "A" roads
similarly working clockwise between (say) 1 to 2 using two-digit numbers
(eg A11). "B" roads derived their first two numbers from the "A" road
immediately anti-clockwise from them - so the first "B" road to the
right of the A11 was the B1100 and so on.
When motorways appeared the tried to keep to the same system but it
started to fall apart when roads ceased to start in London - like the M5
which goes from Birmingham to Exeter.
Today I think they've thrown the old rule book out of the window and
just number roads as they feel like it, or at least that's how it appears.
The reasoning behind the original system was that if you got lost you
could figure out where you were (roughly) just from the road number.
HTH :-)
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Regards
Steve G
Ian Rawlings
> Not so, the report says he was held over the side of the bridge, this is
> akin to being sentenced to death by firing squad not knowing *all* of the
> bullets are blank, it's torture pure and simple.
I thought it just said his head was held over, not his body.
> They also appear to not have caught the perpetrators.
They had at least one of the kids.
Ian Rawlings
> Where does it say that?
>
> "The 13-year-old was walking between Leadenhall and Eaglestone with
> friends who were pouring a drink over the bridge on to the road
> below."
Yeah because that's not likely to cause an accident is it. People on
the road below seeing kids chucking something at them, they're going
to instantly recognise it's just a drink and will laugh about those
kids and their pranks!
> Unfortunately "sod all" is what an awful lot of the population think
> is always the result of calling the Police. I suspect if a call of
> kids "chucking stuff off" a bridge had been made there would have
> been a fairly rapid response. Always assuming that there was a unit
> available and they weren't all tied up with a load of drunken yobs
> intent on a fight in a town center pub.
I've called the police to report things on numerous occasions, and sod
all has always been the result.
Ian Rawlings
> "Ian Rawlings" <new...@tarcus.org.uk> wrote in message
> news:slrnhe6lga...@lounge.tarcus.org.uk...
>> On 2009-10-24, Lee_D <newsgrou...@NOSPAMlrproject.com> wrote:
>>
>>> And rightly so the men are being sought. What gave them the right to give
>>> the lads a slapping then threaten to kill them?
>>
>> Them trying to cause a car accident?
>>
>>> Don't for one minute mistake my view as not being in support of dealing
>>> with
>>> anyone who throws stuff from bridges. But having rampant vigilantes
>>> running
>>> amock isn't the answer.
>>
>> The alternative was basically fuck all though, if they'd called your
>> lot they'd have done sod all.
>
> Why?
Well, any time I've ever called them about anything, they've done sod
all, this includes lights out on a roundabout during a power cut
causing 2-3 vehicles an hour to screetch onto the roundabout and hit
it at a notorious accident blackspot, they suggested I stand out in
the road and wave a torch (I was about 17 at the time) or "put up some
reflective signs".
A burglary at my house in Reading, turned up 3 days later with a form
and sent someone round to dust for fingerprints the next day, but she
was more interested in playing with the kitten I had at the time.
A car broken down and immovable just over the prow of a hill at a
notrious accident black spot (the same one as above in fact), causing
vehicles to come over the hill, right on the stuck vehicle, and slam
on their brakes and swerve onto the other side of the road, us
standing at the top of the hill waving at traffic just caused them to
go over the prow of the hill staring at *us* instead of looking at the
vehicle stuck in front of them. Once enough people had stopped to
recover their nerves we towed the stuck vehicle out of the way with a
van. A police car did turn up, but not because they'd been sent, they
just happened to be passing and wound down their window and angrily
demanded that we tell them what the hell we thought we were doing..
Then they buggered off.
A friend of mine regularly reporting the drugs dealers a few houses
down the road from him (I saw them too, they were pretty blatant),
he'd been reporting them for a year or two. They were still there
when he moved out.
The local bobby in a village I used to live in refusing to deal with
some local troublemakers because he'd already been threatened by them
because he had been caught bonking one of their wives.
My pregnant sister suffering badly from stress running out of petrol
in a city, a policeman appeared and started yelling at her, which
caused her to lock herself in her car, which made him even angrier.
My sisted being burgled, again, a visit a few days later to fill out a
form.
My sister and husband waking up to find a burglar *in the house*, he
fled, a few days later, another form to fill out.
Me being pulled by a policeman in the 2nd week of owning my first car,
given a speeding ticket despite him stating I wasn't speeding but he
thought my exhaust pipe was too loud so he'd give me a speeding ticket
every time he saw me, told me it was an on-the-spot fine of 30 quid,
so I fished 30 quid out of my wallet and handed it to him and had him
yelling at me about attempting to bribe him and threatening to lock me
up..
Me being pulled by a policeman for "driving down the hard shoulder to
skip a traffic queue", I'd done no such thing and we had a
bad-tempered shouting match at the side of the road with him
threatening me with all sorts of things until he gave up and let me go.
And so on.
Then of course there's the usual reports of people complaining about
kids running amok and being told there's nothing the police can do
about them.
Dave Liquorice
> When they originally started to number roads back in the dim-and-distant
> past they devised a clock method plus a hierarchy of road
> classification.
Yep and very useful for a rough guide as to where you are in the
country. Don't forget the A7 area south of Glasgow/Edinburgh to
(roughly the border), The A8 area north west from the central belt
and A9 to the north east.
> "A" was for major roads, "B" for secondary roads and "C" for minor roads
> (they don't use "C" anymore).
They do use C but not very often on road signs, the C103 is signed in
Newcastle. We live on the C3039 but the only place I see that used is
on the councils gritting plan. U is also used but again not very
publically, the U3117 is also on the gritting plan from the village
and up the valley.
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Cheers
Dave.
Lee_D
> And so on.
Crickey Ian, you really have had a bum deal there! I'd suggest you moved
around here but I daren't as I guess the next line will say they all happend
around here, not on my watch mind.
Ian Rawlings
> Crickey Ian, you really have had a bum deal there! I'd suggest you
> moved around here but I daren't as I guess the next line will say
> they all happend around here, not on my watch mind.
No this is dotted around the country, and since the age of 17 to the
present. My sister is in Bristol, a good area too, my younger brushes
with the police were in Hampshire around the Romsey area, some were in
Reading and one was on the M3 outside Basingstoke. I've not had any
hassle with the police since moving to Dorset as the only time I
usually see any is when we're doing an off-road trip as there's a
couple of traffic cops in the group.
Something that I found rather telling was that when I was working for
a police authority on a contract I was sitting in the canteen with
some of the staff and one of them commented on some officers sitting
on a table, saying they were traffic cops and all the other policemen
didn't talk to them.. I asked why and was told it was because they'll
happily issue traffic penalties to other officers! I wanted to ask
why that was a bad thing and whether normal cops would happily arrest
an officer caught shoplifting but thought I'd best not.
I don't doubt the police do useful stuff, but contrary to popular
belief crime in this country is not very widespread so my contact with
the police is vanishingly rare, it's a shame the vast majority of it
has been negative and for the wrong reasons, not me moaning about
being told off for speeding.
I forgot to add getting pulled over in the Pinzgauer in Wales this
year just because they hadn't seen one before (by their own admission)
and wanted to look it over, for some reason they didn't see anything
wrong with that..
Judith
>When they originally started to number roads back in the dim-and-distant
>past they devised a clock method plus a hierarchy of road
>classification. "A" was for major roads, "B" for secondary roads and "C"
>for minor roads (they don't use "C" anymore).
There's some interesting stuff here (if you're interested in this sort
of stuff): http://www.cbrd.co.uk/c-roads/
Judith
andrew
> There's some interesting stuff here (if you're interested in this sort
> of stuff): http://www.cbrd.co.uk/c-roads/
>
I thought you got rid of your Land Rover for something more economical?
AJH
Chris Wilkinson
because of the ferry running late but because he had been driving down
the M3 and a brick fell through his windscreen.
He got to the services to wait for help in comfort and over a coffee
only to be told by the screen people that "it seems to happen every
Sunday night". When he phoned the boys in blue they gave him a crime
number with no interest in recovering the brick!
Yes doing sod all.
CHRIS
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Roberts
I live close to the M3 in Surrey and use it often. I would like to know
where this happened- Hampshire or Surrey?
Alan
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Judith
wrote:
Yes, but I still have t'interweb.
Judith