Berlin, Bill Gates and Scientology?
Linda
Check this out.
Especially this part...
That was found out yesterday. Otto Schily's experts are already busy
looking into recommendations for the use of so-called "Open Source"
software like the free Linux operating system. The new "Windows 2000" is
also off-limits for agencies because it comes with a built-in
defragmentation program called "Diskeeper" from a Scientology WISE
company, and there are fears that the militant sect could secretly pass
on network data by means of a Trojan Horse.
Forum: alt.religion.scientology
>> Thread: Microsoft a security risk even without Scientology
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Subject: Microsoft a security risk even without Scientology
Date: 05/09/2000
Author: German_Scn_News <german_...@hotmail.com>
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Microsoft
Now a "security risk" in Berlin
Experts consider replacing all their software
Berlin, Germany
May 6, 2000
Hamburger Morgenpost
Berlin - Virus alarms in Berlin, too! E-mail "Spyders" there have
brought down important areas of the
federal government. An Interior Ministry task force feverishly seeks
out network damage. And there's more: there is serious talk about
getting rid of all of Microsoft's software.
In the Federal Interior Ministry, which is responsible for data
security, as well as in other agencies, e-mail and internet is down
until Monday. The technicians are searching the computers with virus
scanners for traces of devastation.
Funny, not all ministries have been affected. Detlet Puhl, spokesman for
the Federal Defense Ministry said, "No Loveletters arrived at our
place." But the e-mail worm did not get through to other high security
agencies, either, like Constitutional Security or the Federal Criminal
Investigative
Office, and, above all, the Chancellory Office. So were there special
secret security precautions at those places?
Years ago in the federal agencies, the computers were set up without
floppy disk drives because floppy disks could be the source of virus
infections. After an attempt was made to live in a paperless society,
though, there were second thoughts about that.
On inquiry from MoPo [this newspaper], administration spokesman Uwe
Heye confirmed that consideration was being given to replacing the
e-mail program, or even the whole operating system. Windows with
"Outlook" or "Outlook Express" is in use almost everywhere. That is
where the real weak point is, from the view of the Federal Office for
Security in Information Technology (BSI), which reports to the Interior
Ministry.
That was found out yesterday. Otto Schily's experts are already busy
looking into recommendations for the use of so-called "Open Source"
software like the free Linux operating system. The new "Windows 2000" is
also off-limits for agencies because it comes with a built-in
defragmentation program called "Diskeeper" from a Scientology WISE
company, and there are fears that the militant sect could secretly pass
on network data by means of a Trojan Horse.
UR
May 6, 2000
Computer freak causes billions in damages in the worst sabotage in
computer history
Web terrorism: "Spyder" did it!
Hamburg - He calls himself "Spyder" and he lives in Manila
[Philippines] in the Pandacan district.
He is 23 years old and, since yesterday, is considered to be the worst
commercial
saboteur in the computer era. With a mischievous virus disguised as a
love-letter, he has rocked the entire web world. Experts warn of an
entirely new form of terrorism with incalculable consequences.
It was a data bomb with a time fuse. On April 28, the mischievous
e-mail was loaded on a server of a Philippine provider, but was not
activated until Thursday. Hours later the "love letter" had crippled
millions of computers all over the world.
"It is the most malicious, damaging and fastest-acting virus in
computer history, said Peter Tipett of
the U.S. security firm http://www.icsa.net.
In North America alone, damages are estimated to be around a billion
(!) marks. Yet the "ILoveYou" note from Manila has infected pyramid
scheme companies, governments, organizations and private computers on
all continents.
"And that is still not the whole story," said Friederike Rieg,
spokeswoman from Symantec Germany
(Norton Antivirus). Yesterday, the "love letter" continued on its
rampage - albeit more slowly. Not only that, but within 24 hours five
new variants showed up, including "Funny News" and "Joke." The advice
is to delete these as soon as you see them.
No virus has ever caused as much damage as Spyder's love letter.
Experts have concluded that 90% of all businesses worldwide were
affected. "That is really brutal," said Rieg. "This has never happened
before and, more than that, it has never happened this fast before."
According to initial estimates, the e-mail worm burrowed its way into
hundreds of thousands of PCs in Germany alone. Like "Melissa," the
virus opens up the address book and sends itself to all the addresses
stored there. While its predecessors were satisfied with sending
themselves to the first 50 addresses, the "I Love Your" and its brothers
multiplied with no limit.
In the USA, the virus made its way into the networks of Congress, the
Department of Defense and the Federal Reserve Bank. Not even German
federal or state ministries were secure. The Love virus was even caught
by the appointment calendar for Expo 2000. "No access is currently
possible!" However, the Expo chief, Birgit Breuel, will not miss any of
her appointments. She does not use a computer, but writes all her
appointments down in a notebook...
Furthermore: there is also a warning about the new virus
"Zlatko.exe": it comes as a screensaver and erases the hard disk.
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Linda
Linda wrote:
>
> Is Bill Gates the most sucessful LEC Grad of all time or what?
>
> Check this out.
> Especially this part...
>
> That was found out yesterday. Otto Schily's experts are already busy
> looking into recommendations for the use of so-called "Open Source"
> software like the free Linux operating system. The new "Windows 2000" is
> also off-limits for agencies because it comes with a built-in
> defragmentation program called "Diskeeper" from a Scientology WISE
> company, and there are fears that the militant sect could secretly pass
> on network data by means of a Trojan Horse.
Larry Person
>>
According to regulations that apply in Hamburg and Bavaria, "If the
government buys a service from a company, the company has to sign an
agreement saying that nobody involved in executing this service has anything
to do with Scientology," explained Christian Persson, the editor of the
German computer magazine c't.
Bavaria, for example, requires companies to sign a form that ensures that
"no person used to fulfill the contract will apply the technology of
[Scientology founder] L. Ron Hubbard."
<<
Replace the word "scientology" with "judaism."
Shudder.
Teutonic bigotry, whatever the target, is not a pleasant thought.
Linda
Larry Person wrote:
> Replace the word "scientology" with "judaism."
> Shudder.
> Teutonic bigotry, whatever the target, is not a pleasant thought.
I know, I hear what you're saying.
but isn't it accurate that intelligence files collected by the Germans
suggest that they are battling a political takeover attempt by a very
authoritarian and covert regime and not anything to do with race or
religions, that's a convenient smokesceen put out by the xhurch PR.
machine that they are hiding behind.
Hey!
I thought Mr. Erhard admired the strenght of the Germans? What was that
quote when asked how he chose his nym?
Linda
Markus Hirt
Larry Person wrote:
>
> from http://wired.lycos.com/news/print/0,1294,33154,00.html
>
> >>
> According to regulations that apply in Hamburg and Bavaria, "If the
> government buys a service from a company, the company has to sign an
> agreement saying that nobody involved in executing this service has anything
> to do with Scientology," explained Christian Persson, the editor of the
> German computer magazine c't.
>
> Bavaria, for example, requires companies to sign a form that ensures that
> "no person used to fulfill the contract will apply the technology of
> [Scientology founder] L. Ron Hubbard."
> <<
>
> Replace the word "scientology" with "judaism."
>
Or replace the word "scientology" with "nazis": In 1945, lots of people
in Germany said "never again". They hadn't stopped Hitler. Who wants
to blame them for stopping Scientology?
Markus
Larry Person
Markus Hirt <hi...@swol.de> wrote in message
news:391AFBD0...@swol.de...
Linda
Larry Person wrote:
>
> I'm not buying that, Marcus.
Hear Hubbards Words, Larry.
"Science of Survival"
"The only answers would seem to be the permanent quarantine of such
['1.1, or covertly hostile, low-toned'] persons from society to avoid
the contagion of their insanities and the general turbulence which they
bring into any order, thus forcing it lower on the scale, or processing
such person until they have attained a level on the tone scale which
gives them value.
In any event, any person from 2.0 down on the tone scale should not
have, in any thinking society, any civil rights of any kind, because by
abusing those rights he brings into being arduous and strenuous laws
which are oppressive to those who need no such restraints."
...
"There are only two answers for the handling of people from 2.0 down on
the tone scale, neither one of which has anything to do with reasoning
with them or listening to their justification of their acts. The first
is to raise them on the tone scale by un-enturbulating some of their
theta by any one of the three valid processes. The other is to dispose
of them quietly and without sorrow."
FilmSam
>
>Larry Person wrote:
>>
>> from http://wired.lycos.com/news/print/0,1294,33154,00.html
>>
>> >>
>> According to regulations that apply in Hamburg and Bavaria, "If the
>> government buys a service from a company, the company has to sign an
>anything
>> to do with Scientology," explained Christian Persson, the editor of the
>> German computer magazine c't.
>>
>> Bavaria, for example, requires companies to sign a form that ensures that
>> "no person used to fulfill the contract will apply the technology of
>> [Scientology founder] L. Ron Hubbard."
>> <<
>>
>> Replace the word "scientology" with "judaism."
>>
>
>Or replace the word "scientology" with "nazis": In 1945, lots of people
>in Germany said "never again". They hadn't stopped Hitler. Who wants
>to blame them for stopping Scientology?
Anyone who believes in freedom of belief, seperation of church and state, free
speech, freedom of expression, the right to peaceably assemble, etc.
Larry's right...I think Scientology is pretty damn creepy and even potentially
dangerous. But to punish someone for their beliefs just smacks of bigotry.
Can you really justify oppression by saying it is being done to prevent the
very same oppression?
Sam
Serena Nordstrup
The facts of the case as presented suggest that a couple of enterprises
(albeit democratic ones) have given themselves publically defined
commercial guidelines to guide their purchasing departments.
How do punishment, bigotry and oppression fit in here?
Simpatice
Serena
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
FilmSam
>The facts of the case as presented suggest that a couple of enterprises
>(albeit democratic ones) have given themselves publically defined
>commercial guidelines to guide their purchasing departments.
>
>How do punishment, bigotry and oppression fit in here?
Because those "enterprises" aren't any old corporation...it is the government.
The governments mentioned above are using economic sanctions to silence a
particular religious group.
It's called separation of church and state, Serena. The government has singled
out a specific religious group to punish with economic sanctions. Follow
Larry's suggestion. Replace "Scientologists" with "Jews," "Catholics," "Gays,"
or "Blacks" and see how it sounds.
Here, I'll help you...the U.S. government announces it will no longer grant
government contracts to those of the Jewish faith. Would you respond the same
way? That an "enterprise" is just establishing "commercial guidelines"?
Sam
Linda
FilmSam wrote:
>
> Serena wrote:
> >The facts of the case as presented suggest that a couple of enterprises
> >(albeit democratic ones) have given themselves publically defined
> >commercial guidelines to guide their purchasing departments.
> >
> >How do punishment, bigotry and oppression fit in here?
>
> Because those "enterprises" aren't any old corporation...it is the government.
> The governments mentioned above are using economic sanctions to silence a
> particular religious group.
It isn't a religious group, it's something else entirely running around
in nuns habits looking innocent.
Despicable bunch at the top, dupes at the bottom, no matter who owns it
these days.
Linda
Larry Person
Linda <linc...@swbell.net> wrote in message
news:391CA24B...@swbell.net...
> Despicable bunch at the top, dupes at the bottom, no matter who owns it
> these days.
Sounds sort of like the vatican. <ducking>
I'm no fan or friend of the church of scientology Linda. You know that.
But the same argument: "we can do this to them because it's not really a
religion" has been applied throughout history. They're a religion because
they say so, just like the followers of Martiin Luther and adherents to
various other protestant denominations.
It may be creepy the Co$ is trying to take over the german government, if
that's true, but it's also creepy that people in germany think it's
perfectly ok to single out, exclude, and persecute this group of people.
Germany does not have a good track record with this sort of thing.
Markus Hirt
FilmSam wrote:
>
> Markus wrote:
> >
> >Larry Person wrote:
> >>
> >> from http://wired.lycos.com/news/print/0,1294,33154,00.html
> >>
> >> >>
> >> According to regulations that apply in Hamburg and Bavaria, "If the
> >> government buys a service from a company, the company has to sign an
> >> agreement saying that nobody involved in executing this service has
> >anything
> >> to do with Scientology," explained Christian Persson, the editor of the
> >> German computer magazine c't.
> >>
> >> Bavaria, for example, requires companies to sign a form that ensures that
> >> "no person used to fulfill the contract will apply the technology of
> >> [Scientology founder] L. Ron Hubbard."
> >> <<
> >>
> >> Replace the word "scientology" with "judaism."
> >>
> >
> >Or replace the word "scientology" with "nazis": In 1945, lots of people
> >in Germany said "never again". They hadn't stopped Hitler. Who wants
> >to blame them for stopping Scientology?
>
> Anyone who believes in freedom of belief, seperation of church and state, free
> speech, freedom of expression, the right to peaceably assemble, etc.
>
> Larry's right...I think Scientology is pretty damn creepy and even potentially
> dangerous. But to punish someone for their beliefs just smacks of bigotry.
> Can you really justify oppression by saying it is being done to prevent the
> very same oppression?
Yes. That is what every police or army does every day. If I belief in
robbery and found a religion of robbery, no one could come after me because
that would be bigotry?
By the way: Scientologists still have the right to assemble freely in
Germany. Their books are avialable in every bookstore. And other people
(and governments) do have the right not to join them, not to buy their
products and to ask them not to apply their "technology" during work
hours.
Markus
Linda
Larry Person wrote:
>
> Linda <linc...@swbell.net> wrote in message
> news:391CA24B...@swbell.net...
> > Despicable bunch at the top, dupes at the bottom, no matter who owns it
> > these days.
> Sounds sort of like the vatican. <ducking>
Could be the Agnes Dei bunch...
I think the new contollers are from America.
I think it's the Company, and the Family and you-know-who that has
xhurch by the short hairs now.
> I'm no fan or friend of the church of scientology Linda. You know that.
Yeah, yeah, but the public conversation LEC has about Co$ is undergoing
a shift. I'm logging a lot of backpeddling post popping up with more
frequency, they've got no quarrel with Co$, now, yadad this and it was
only one lone member out for Werner and that's all cleared up, yada
that, and people get real value from participating in Co$ tech, yada
puke that. I can't stomach it. puke, puke, puke.
> But the same argument: "we can do this to them because it's not really a
> religion" has been applied throughout history. They're a religion because
> they say so, just like the followers of Martiin Luther and adherents to
> various other protestant denominations.
No, no. no. no. no. no. no. No.
did I mention, NO! Language doesn't create reality. Action creates
reality, We will judge them by their behaviour, and the fruits of their
actions not by what they call themselves.
Remind me, What Religish Denomination was Hitler? Say... wasn't that
Luther fellow from Germany.
Yeah... Seems like he was.
Seeing a pattern here yet?
> It may be creepy the Co$ is trying to take over the german government,
Larry... Did you pay attention to what they did to the IRS right over
here?
Wake up kiddo. Creepy isn't the word for it.
> if
> that's true, but it's also creepy that people in germany think it's
> perfectly ok to single out, exclude, and persecute this group of people.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
NEVER AGAIN. God Bless the Germans for being a stand instead of rolling
over one more time.
They aren't a group of people, running around being normal people simply
using tools to make their life work better, they are a militant,
trained, organized, authoritarian group with an intelligence
organization that parallels countries in its scope power and influence,
with highly placed people in media, government, utilities and many, many
of the major corporations, not to mention the Armed Forces here and
abroad. They've got funding out the wazoo... Billion in their warchest
and more where that came from. And the leaders are using Co$ like a
sock puppet, and a snow plow to pave the way for their fun and games.
> Germany does not have a good track record with this sort of thing.
Irony abounds.
The people who made the track record for Germany to live down are the
people that the German people are now fighting to limit.
Larry, Did you HEAR Hubbards words? Disposed of quietly without sorrow.
God Bless Germany for having courage.
Linda
Serena Nordstrup
fil...@aol.com (FilmSam) wrote:
> Serena wrote:
> >The facts of the case as presented suggest that a couple of
enterprises
> >(albeit democratic ones) have given themselves publically defined
> >commercial guidelines to guide their purchasing departments.
> >
> >How do punishment, bigotry and oppression fit in here?
>
> Because those "enterprises" aren't any old corporation...it is the
> government.
The facts of the case as presented implicate not _the_ government, but
two regional German jurisdictions.
> The governments mentioned above are using economic sanctions to
> silence a particular religious group.
The facts of the case as presented show a limitation of associations
to "persons", to individuals of demonstrated probity. Nobody has been
silenced. The grounds of limitation are adherence to a published set of
ideas, not to a religion.
> It's called separation of church and state, Serena.
Germany is a non-theocratic, multi-sectarian state. In very general
terms, the Hanseatic City of Hamburg expresses a Lutheran cultural
background, and the Province of Bavaria a Roman Catholic one. There are
no German states with a preponderance of scientologists to my
knowledge. How will any more formal separation of church and state help
in this case?
> The government has singled out a specific religious group
> to punish with economic sanctions.
The facts of the case as presented do not state that any groups are
being punished. The scientologists may or may not form a religion: the
law tests individuals.
> Follow Larry's suggestion. Replace "Scientologists" with
> "Jews," "Catholics," "Gays," or "Blacks" and see how it sounds.
OK. But last time I looked, scientologists were not a race, an
ethnicity or a gender-oriented group, and their claim to be a religion
is certainly in dispute.
> Here, I'll help you...the U.S. government announces it
> will no longer grant government contracts to those of the
> Jewish faith.
The facts of the case as presented suggest that the parallel might
rather be something like: "The states of Maryland and Idaho have
promulgated regulations to the effect that contractors' employees may
not advocate the teachings of Mikhail Bakunin on radical violent
anarchism".
> Would you respond the same way? That an "enterprise" is just
> establishing "commercial guidelines"?
Take away some of the emotive terms and the result is very similiar to
the sort of anti-Communist ordinances, democratically and
constitutionally passed into law 60 or 70 years back. Rules which
banned the mention of "Lenin" or "Leningrad", for example. They were
democratically enacted and subject to legal scrutiny, as is the case in
Germany today. Did/do such regulations serve a purpose?
Larry Person
> Larry... Did you pay attention to what they did to the IRS right over
> here?
I must have missed that. What happened?
Linda
Oh crumbs!
Are you up on Co$ history at all, or do you depend on the media for your
information?
:-)
http://www.xenu.net/archive/IRS/corp_veil.html
http://wpxx02.toxi.uni-wuerzburg.de/~cowen/essays/irs.html
and kerpow
http://wpxx02.toxi.uni-wuerzburg.de/~cowen/essays/irs-snow.html
And since Snow White was part of a outsider takeover to seize control
and funnel it to a third party, that third party gets to reap benefits
too from the bend over and spread em that the IRS does now.
Criminy Jickets, that is Brilliant SH*T.
Linda
Linda
Linda wrote:
>
> Larry Person wrote:
> >
> > Linda <linc...@swbell.net> wrote in message
> > news:391EB149...@swbell.net...
> > > Larry... Did you pay attention to what they did to the IRS right over
> > > here?
> >
> > I must have missed that. What happened?
>
> Oh crumbs!
>
> Are you up on Co$ history at all, or do you depend on the media for your
> information?
> :-)
Scientology and Germany