for the dummies and droids :)

[patrick]

hope u get it. Merry Christmas


its ok to be an integrity dummie

[bentot]

My screen is a little fuzzie this morning. Was there a comma between
integrity and dummie?

bentot

[Tex]

One thing Pat is certainly an expert on........
dummies.. :)

[bentot]

On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 15:44:09 -0800 (PST), Tex <ritte...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

:) :) !

[patrick]

no integrity dummie

[patrick]

i agree. i am an expert and u are possibly a dummie.

would u concur :)

[bentot]

On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 19:30:27 -0800 (PST), patrick

<patric...@linuxmail.org> wrote:

>On Sunday, December 16, 2012 5:44:09 PM UTC-6, Tex wrote:
>> On Sunday, December 16, 2012 11:15:07 AM UTC-5, bentot wrote:
>>
>> > On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 08:02:32 -0800 (PST), patrick
>>
>> >
>>
>> > <patric...@linuxmail.org> wrote:
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> > >
>>
>> >
>>
>> > >
>>
>> >
>>
>> > >hope u get it. Merry Christmas
>>
>> >
>>
>> > >
>>
>> >
>>
>> > >
>>
>> >
>>
>> > >its ok to be an integrity dummie
>>
>> >
>>
>> > >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> > My screen is a little fuzzie this morning. Was there a comma between
>>
>> >
>>
>> > integrity and dummie?
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> >
>>
>> > bentot
>>
>>
>>
>> One thing Pat is certainly an expert on........
>>
>> dummies.. :)
>
>i agree. i am an expert and u are possibly a dummie.
>
>would u concur :)

Expert....'ex' is a has been, 'spurt' is a drip under pressure

[Serena Nordstrup]

On Dec 17, 5:01 pm, bentot <bentot1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 19:30:27 -0800 (PST), patrick
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <patrickda...@linuxmail.org> wrote:
> >On Sunday, December 16, 2012 5:44:09 PM UTC-6, Tex wrote:
> >> On Sunday, December 16, 2012 11:15:07 AM UTC-5, bentot wrote:
>
> >> > On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 08:02:32 -0800 (PST), patrick
>

> >> > <patrickda...@linuxmail.org> wrote:
>
> >> > >hope u get it. Merry Christmas
>
> >> > >its ok to be an integrity dummie
>
> >> > My screen is a little fuzzie this morning.  Was there a comma between
>
> >> > integrity and dummie?
>
> >> > bentot
>
> >> One thing Pat is certainly an expert on........
>
> >> dummies..  :)
>
> >i agree. i am an expert and u are possibly a dummie.
>
> >would u concur :)
>
>  Expert....'ex' is a has been, 'spurt' is a drip under pressure

... and if you can translate this age-old witticism into Latin then
amateur etymologists might take notice...

[bentot]

Or not.

[patrick]

i hope this isnt a dummie thing but what does spurt have to do with expert :)

[tubby]

On Dec 19, 5:59 am, patrick <patrickda...@linuxmail.org> wrote:
> On Sunday, December 16, 2012 10:01:19 PM UTC-6, bentot wrote:
> > On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 19:30:27 -0800 (PST), patrick
>

> > <patrickda...@linuxmail.org> wrote:
>
> > >On Sunday, December 16, 2012 5:44:09 PM UTC-6, Tex wrote:
>
> > >> On Sunday, December 16, 2012 11:15:07 AM UTC-5, bentot wrote:
>
> > >> > On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 08:02:32 -0800 (PST), patrick
>

> > >> > <patrickda...@linuxmail.org> wrote:
>
> > >> > >hope u get it. Merry Christmas
>
> > >> > >its ok to be an integrity dummie
>
> > >> > My screen is a little fuzzie this morning.  Was there a comma between
>
> > >> > integrity and dummie?
>
> > >> > bentot
>
> > >> One thing Pat is certainly an expert on........
>
> > >> dummies..  :)
>
> > >i agree. i am an expert and u are possibly a dummie.
>
> > >would u concur :)
>
> >  Expert....'ex' is a has been, 'spurt' is a drip under pressure
>
> i hope this isnt a dummie thing but what does spurt have to do with expert :)

Put out your hands Pattie and" feeeel " the love.

I do hope that your life is just as full, enjoyable and inspirational
as Ben's
who as a mere mortal knows his limits and has pushed his boundaries to
the extremes he can handle.

I didn't push as far because I am a little lazy nevertheless still
content
in my skin.

Can you or the enigmatic androgynous hortatory Muse say the same?????

Just curious?????

Cheers

[bentot]

On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 10:59:12 -0800 (PST), patrick

There is a play on words buried in there, Patrick.

[patrick]

got it.

and for tubby. "u dont have to be taken in by a cult tp be a happy camper".

[Serena Nordstrup]

On Dec 19, 3:08 am, bentot <bentot1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 00:04:35 -0800 (PST), Serena Nordstrup
>

Thhey have the ~choice~.

Subject for speculation: on what basis might amateur etymologists make
a ~choice~ ?

[Serena Nordstrup]

On Dec 19, 11:06 am, tubby <btono...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 19, 5:59 am, patrick <patrickda...@linuxmail.org> wrote:
>
> > On Sunday, December 16, 2012 10:01:19 PM UTC-6, bentot wrote:
> > > On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 19:30:27 -0800 (PST), patrick
>
> > > <patrickda...@linuxmail.org> wrote:
>
> > > >On Sunday, December 16, 2012 5:44:09 PM UTC-6, Tex wrote:
>
> > > >> On Sunday, December 16, 2012 11:15:07 AM UTC-5, bentot wrote:
>
> > > >> > On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 08:02:32 -0800 (PST), patrick
>
> > > >> > <patrickda...@linuxmail.org> wrote:
>
> > > >> > >hope u get it. Merry Christmas
>
> > > >> > >its ok to be an integrity dummie
>
> > > >> > My screen is a little fuzzie this morning.  Was there a comma between
>
> > > >> > integrity and dummie?
>
> > > >> > bentot
>
> > > >> One thing Pat is certainly an expert on........
>
> > > >> dummies..  :)
>
> > > >i agree. i am an expert and u are possibly a dummie.
>
> > > >would u concur :)
>
> > >  Expert....'ex' is a has been, 'spurt' is a drip under pressure
>
> > i hope this isnt a dummie thing but what does spurt have to do with expert :)
>
> Put out your hands Pattie and"  feeeel "  the love.
>
> I do hope that your life is just as full, enjoyable and inspirational
> as Ben's

How full, in your estimation ?

> who as a mere mortal knows his limits

As vouchsafed to you by what miraculous medium, Bruno?

> and has pushed his boundaries to
> the extremes he can handle.
>
> I didn't push as far because I am a little lazy nevertheless  still
> content
> in my skin.
>
> Can you or the enigmatic  androgynous hortatory Muse say the same?????
>
> Just curious?????

No doubt - I detect a lot of curiosity about. Why do you ask?

And how goes the research into linking ~experience~ with the
Subjective, Bruno?

> Cheers

[tubby]

On Dec 19, 2:21 pm, patrick <patrickda...@linuxmail.org> wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 18, 2012 7:03:18 PM UTC-6, bentot wrote:
> > On Tue, 18 Dec 2012 10:59:12 -0800 (PST), patrick
>

> > <patrickda...@linuxmail.org> wrote:
>
> > >On Sunday, December 16, 2012 10:01:19 PM UTC-6, bentot wrote:
>
> > >> On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 19:30:27 -0800 (PST), patrick
>

> > >> <patrickda...@linuxmail.org> wrote:
>
> > >> >On Sunday, December 16, 2012 5:44:09 PM UTC-6, Tex wrote:
>
> > >> >> On Sunday, December 16, 2012 11:15:07 AM UTC-5, bentot wrote:
>
> > >> >> > On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 08:02:32 -0800 (PST), patrick
>

> > >> >> > <patrickda...@linuxmail.org> wrote:
>
> > >> >> > >hope u get it. Merry Christmas
>
> > >> >> > >its ok to be an integrity dummie
>
> > >> >> > My screen is a little fuzzie this morning.  Was there a comma between
>
> > >> >> > integrity and dummie?
>
> > >> >> > bentot
>
> > >> >> One thing Pat is certainly an expert on........
>
> > >> >> dummies..  :)
>
> > >> >i agree. i am an expert and u are possibly a dummie.
>
> > >> >would u concur :)
>
> > >>  Expert....'ex' is a has been, 'spurt' is a drip under pressure
>
> > >i hope this isnt a dummie thing but what does spurt have to do with expert :)
>
> > There is a play on words buried in there, Patrick.
>
> got it.
>
> and for tubby. "u dont have to be taken in by a cult tp be a happy camper".

Just a minute Pattie, who said Ben was taken in by a Cult.???

He enjoyed his time and moved on.

You are still pining for ' Whats his name"

Come on Pattie move on and feel the love!!!!!

Merry Christmas to you.
Cheers

[tubby]

What a dum question my fair Muse.
Are you serious????

>
> > who as a mere mortal knows his limits
>
> As vouchsafed to you by what miraculous medium, Bruno?

His writings. Pretty simple Muse all in possibility thinking!

>
> > and has pushed his boundaries to
> > the extremes he can handle.
>
> > I didn't push as far because I am a little lazy nevertheless  still
> > content
> > in my skin.
>
> > Can you or the enigmatic  androgynous hortatory Muse say the same?????
>
> > Just curious?????
>
> No doubt - I detect a lot of curiosity about. Why do you ask?

Because I am interested and curious about " the enigmatic  androgynous
hortatory Muse "
When you ask direct questions you get an answer.
Capisce!!!!!

>
> And how goes the research into linking ~experience~ with the
> Subjective, Bruno?

There you go again Muse. Didn't Kenny say you had asked that dumb
question 50+ times.

You show me yours and I'll show you mine.


Are you Pau. , or Serena Nordstrup or both????

cheers
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Cheers

[bentot]

Or, on what basis might professional etymologists make
a ~choice~ ?

Dunno... I leave such questions to my talented Niece who has a
doctorate in languages.

bentot, non-ex-spurt

[Serena Nordstrup]

On 20 Dec, 04:47, bentot <bentot1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 01:57:59 -0800 (PST), Serena Nordstrup
>

And/or -- for a separate question.

> Dunno...  I leave such questions to my talented Niece who has a
> doctorate in languages.

Georges Clemenceau regarded war as too important to leave to generals.
Perhaps we could make a case for language as too important to leave
just to doctorates... (Just look what a messy confusion Jack Rosenberg
made of language....)

> bentot,  non-ex-spurt

Can you translate the "drip under pressure" quip into meaningful
Tagalog?

[Serena Nordstrup]

Let's ask this seriously dumb question again least you ignore it: How
full a ~life~ in your estimation, does Ben have?

> > > who as a mere mortal knows his limits
>
> > As vouchsafed to you by what miraculous medium, Bruno?
>
> His writings.

Gimme a quote, Bruno. Prove to me your assertion that Ben's writings
demonstrate that Ben knows his limits.

> Pretty simple Muse all in possibility thinking!

Simple enough for you prove readily...

> > > and has pushed his boundaries to
> > > the extremes he can handle.
>
> > > I didn't push as far because I am a little lazy nevertheless  still
> > > content
> > > in my skin.
>
> > > Can you or the enigmatic  androgynous hortatory Muse say the same?????
>
> > > Just curious?????
>
> > No doubt - I detect a lot of curiosity about. Why do you ask?
>
> Because I am interested and curious about " the enigmatic  androgynous
> hortatory Muse "

You have an interest in something you made up. Amazing!

> When you ask direct questions you get an answer.
> Capisce!!!!!
>
>
>
> > And how goes the research into linking ~experience~ with the
> > Subjective, Bruno?
>
> There you go again Muse. Didn't Kenny say you had asked that dumb
> question 50+ times.

He said something of that nature. Which just goes to highlight your
tardiness in replying to the question.

> You show me yours and I'll show you mine.
>
> Are you Pau.  , or Serena Nordstrup or both????

Check the headers on my posts, if you've nothing better to do. After
you've established the link between ~experience~ and the Subjective,
of course.

[tubby]

Wow Muse why are you so icy and bitter especially during this festive
season
and so close to Christmas.
Just because I made an assertion that

"I do hope that your life is just as full, enjoyable and
inspirational
as Ben's "

What has got up your nose???????

>
> > > > who as a mere mortal knows his limits
>
> > > As vouchsafed to you by what miraculous medium, Bruno?
>
> > His writings.
>
> Gimme a quote, Bruno. Prove to me your assertion that Ben's writings
> demonstrate that Ben knows his limits.

Its all there in his writings, telling us about his service life,his
travels , encounter with different cultures,
his understanding of other people,his vulnerabilities and how he
overcame them,his passion for water rafting
and sailing, his passion for dancing and his good fortune to find a
great partner and companion and enjoy life
to the fullest at a grand mature age.
Now isn't that something to be joyful about????????

My comment about Ben knowing his limits is merely an observation or
comment. Any successful person knows what they can achieve
and what they can't. Its inherent in the successful actions they
partake in.

Interesting how you totally ignore Ben;s achievements and totally
focus wanting evidence of his limits???????
Why is that so important to you Muse?????????

>
> > Pretty simple Muse all in possibility thinking!
>
> Simple enough for you prove readily...
>
> > > > and has pushed his boundaries to
> > > > the extremes he can handle.
>
> > > > I didn't push as far because I am a little lazy nevertheless  still
> > > > content
> > > > in my skin.
>
> > > > Can you or the enigmatic  androgynous hortatory Muse say the same?????
>
> > > > Just curious?????
>
> > > No doubt - I detect a lot of curiosity about. Why do you ask?
>
> > Because I am interested and curious about " the enigmatic  androgynous
> > hortatory Muse "
>
> You have an interest in something you made up. Amazing!
>
> > When you ask direct questions you get an answer.
> > Capisce!!!!!
>
> > > And how goes the research into linking ~experience~ with the
> > > Subjective, Bruno?
>
> > There you go again Muse. Didn't Kenny say you had asked that dumb
> > question 50+ times.
>
> He said something of that nature. Which just goes to highlight your
> tardiness in replying to the question.

Okay.

Well I miss Kenny 's dialogues and encounters with you Muse.
His presence was a breath of fresh air in moving the clammy, sweaty
thought processes that
seem to linger around some of the Ranters when they ask questions.

>
> > You show me yours and I'll show you mine.
>
> > Are you Pau.  , or Serena Nordstrup or both????
>
> Check the headers on my posts, if you've nothing better to do. After
> you've established the link between ~experience~ and the Subjective,
> of course.

There you go again, now its 51 times you have asked the same
dum........b question.
I"ll be making another offer to buy you a drink when we get to
100!!!!!!!!

Till then may I wish you a Festive Season and let us all be inspired
by our good friend
Ben my role model in illustrating how life can be lived at any age ,
to the fullest.

Cheers to you Ben and your Honey!!!!!!

Till then I remain your obedient servant my dear Muse.

Fondest Regards

Bruno

[bentot]

Probably. The quip would likely lose its flavor and meaning.

[Serena Nordstrup]

On Dec 21, 3:53 am, bentot <bentot1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Dec 2012 23:50:22 -0800 (PST), Serena Nordstrup
>

Sounds like an answer of "no" if meaningful Tagalog were to lose the
meaning...

[Serena Nordstrup]

I merely asked about your estimation of fullness. And (surprise,
surprise) you haven't answered! Again: How full a ~life~ in your
estimation, does Ben have?

> > > > > who as a mere mortal knows his limits
>
> > > > As vouchsafed to you by what miraculous medium, Bruno?
>
> > > His writings.
>
> > Gimme a quote, Bruno. Prove to me your assertion that Ben's writings
> > demonstrate that Ben knows his limits.
>
> Its all there in his writings, telling us about his service life,his
> travels , encounter with different cultures,
> his understanding of other people,his vulnerabilities  and how he
> overcame them,his passion for water rafting
> and sailing, his passion for dancing and his good fortune to find a
> great partner and companion and enjoy life
> to the fullest at a grand mature age.
> Now isn't that something to be joyful about????????
>
> My comment about Ben knowing his limits is merely  an observation or
> comment. Any successful person knows what they can achieve
> and what they can't. Its inherent in the successful actions they
> partake in.

Really?

> Interesting how you totally ignore Ben;s  achievements and  totally
> focus wanting evidence of his limits???????

No quote given. You have NOT proven that Ben knows his limits.

> Why is that so important to you Muse?????????

I have an interest in testing your claims, Bruno. They seldom stand up
to much scrutiny.

Which ranters, Bruno?

> > > You show me yours and I'll show you mine.
>
> > > Are you Pau.  , or Serena Nordstrup or both????
>
> > Check the headers on my posts, if you've nothing better to do. After
> > you've established the link between ~experience~ and the Subjective,
> > of course.
>
> There you go again, now its 51 times you have asked the same
> dum........b question.
> I"ll be making another offer to buy you a drink when we get to
> 100!!!!!!!!
>
> Till then may I wish you a Festive Season

You may indeed. But I note that for some reason you still haven't
established the connection between the Subjective and ~experience~...

> and let us all be inspired
> by our good friend
> Ben my role model in illustrating how life can be lived at any age ,

any?

[tubby]

Wow that was 51.times who have asked the dumb question//
Another 49 of those and I'll ask you around for a drink.

Cheers and don't forget to be Merry!!!!!!!!!

[tubby]

Okay another dumb question Muse. I'm counting now this is the
3rd time you have asked. When we get to 50 you get the Booby prize
your ex boyfriend Werner suggested you take.

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > > > > > who as a mere mortal knows his limits
>
> > > > > As vouchsafed to you by what miraculous medium, Bruno?
>
> > > > His writings.
>
> > > Gimme a quote, Bruno. Prove to me your assertion that Ben's writings
> > > demonstrate that Ben knows his limits.
>
> > Its all there in his writings, telling us about his service life,his
> > travels , encounter with different cultures,
> > his understanding of other people,his vulnerabilities  and how he
> > overcame them,his passion for water rafting
> > and sailing, his passion for dancing and his good fortune to find a
> > great partner and companion and enjoy life
> > to the fullest at a grand mature age.
> > Now isn't that something to be joyful about????????
>
> > My comment about Ben knowing his limits is merely  an observation or
> > comment. Any successful person knows what they can achieve
> > and what they can't. Its inherent in the successful actions they
> > partake in.
>
> Really?
>
> > Interesting how you totally ignore Ben;s  achievements and  totally
> > focus wanting evidence of his limits???????
>
> No quote given. You have NOT proven that Ben knows his limits.
>
> > Why is that so important to you Muse?????????
>
> I have an interest in testing your claims, Bruno. They seldom stand up
> to much scrutiny.

That' s fine especially for you and your Muses in the heavens. Come
back to earth
and it may make more sense to you.

52 times 48 to go Muse before the big invite goes out!!!!!

>
> > and let us all be inspired
> > by our good friend
> > Ben my role model in illustrating how life can be lived at any age ,
>
> any?

Yes any got a problem with that???
Please explain

[bentot]

probably true. Western jokes, puns and play-on-words are often lost
on those of other cultures.

Walong panahon sa babaye No time for women.

Walong pahinga sa masama. No rest for the wicked.

[bentot]

On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 02:05:05 -0800 (PST), tubby <bton...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Thank you, Bruno>

Just attend a wedding for my granddaughter. That make two of my three
kids now have empty nests. My grandson was there with his beautiful
little twin girls. I plan to live long enough to see great-great
grand children!!

My son and, and his son, showed up with new beards grown during their
hunting trip. I complimented they seven ways from Sunday, hoping they
might keep them. And there is resistance from their wives. My Honey
has never seen me without a beard. My honey likes it. I grew it over
25 years ago on a 18 day rafting trip through the Grand Canyon.

Tomorrow, I go see my wonderful 96 year old Mom.
Then Christmas with my daughter's family.
Then, it's back to Arid-Zona on the 28th.

It has been a busy two weeks.

Happy spiked egg nogg to you and yours, Bruno

bentot

[Serena Nordstrup]

This claim really applies to any successful person, Bruno?

> > > Interesting how you totally ignore Ben;s  achievements and  totally
> > > focus wanting evidence of his limits???????
>
> > No quote given. You have NOT proven that Ben knows his limits.
>
> > > Why is that so important to you Muse?????????
>
> > I have an interest in testing your claims, Bruno. They seldom stand up
> > to much scrutiny.
>
> That' s fine especially for you and your Muses in the heavens. Come
> back to earth
> and it may make more sense to you.

My questions have less to do with making sense for me than with
checking the validity of your claims. Every evasion and delay counts
against you in the eyes of readers.

You omitted to answer a question... Which ranters have "clammy, sweat
thought processes" apparently lingering around them, Bruno?

> > > > > You show me yours and I'll show you mine.
>
> > > > > Are you Pau.  , or Serena Nordstrup or both????
>
> > > > Check the headers on my posts, if you've nothing better to do. After
> > > > you've established the link between ~experience~ and the Subjective,
> > > > of course.
>
> > > There you go again, now its 51 times you have asked the same
> > > dum........b question.
> > > I"ll be making another offer to buy you a drink when we get to
> > > 100!!!!!!!!
>
> > > Till then may I wish you a Festive Season
>
> > You may indeed. But I note that for some reason you still haven't
> > established the connection between the Subjective and ~experience~...
>
> 52 times 48 to go Muse before the big invite goes out!!!!!

So how goes the research on establishing the long-promised connection
which you made between ~experience~ and the Subjective, Bruno? Have
you any progress to report?

> > > and let us all be inspired
> > > by our good friend
> > > Ben my role model in illustrating how life can be lived at any age ,
>
> > any?
>
> Yes any  got a problem with that???
> Please explain

Cocktails for 2-year-olds? Yacht-crewing for nonagenarians?

[elle...@gmail.com]

LOL

Thanks for the laugh, Patrick.


Ellen

[tubby]

Correct and don't you agree that Ben has been very successful in life
in
all the fields he has encountered.

Why are you so finicky and laboring on this point Serena????
You are looking for a hair in the gate of the Cinema Camera when its
not there!!!!

>
> > > > Interesting how you totally ignore Ben;s  achievements and  totally
> > > > focus wanting evidence of his limits???????
>
> > > No quote given. You have NOT proven that Ben knows his limits.
>
> > > > Why is that so important to you Muse?????????
>
> > > I have an interest in testing your claims, Bruno. They seldom stand up
> > > to much scrutiny.
>
> > That' s fine especially for you and your Muses in the heavens. Come
> > back to earth
> > and it may make more sense to you.
>
> My questions have less to do with making sense for me than with
> checking the validity of your claims. Every evasion and delay counts
> against you in the eyes of readers.

Okay if you really care about the readers ( which is a stalling
tactic)
lets put it to the test.
Will the readers please stand up and be counted if they give a rats
arse
about our conversation and my perceived evasions and delays as
reported
by our local Queen Muse Serena Nordstrop????????

Have a guess???

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > > > > > You show me yours and I'll show you mine.
>
> > > > > > Are you Pau.  , or Serena Nordstrup or both????
>
> > > > > Check the headers on my posts, if you've nothing better to do. After
> > > > > you've established the link between ~experience~ and the Subjective,
> > > > > of course.
>
> > > > There you go again, now its 51 times you have asked the same
> > > > dum........b question.
> > > > I"ll be making another offer to buy you a drink when we get to
> > > > 100!!!!!!!!
>
> > > > Till then may I wish you a Festive Season
>
> > > You may indeed. But I note that for some reason you still haven't
> > > established the connection between the Subjective and ~experience~...
>
> > 52 times 48 to go Muse before the big invite goes out!!!!!
>
> So how goes the research on establishing the long-promised connection
> which you made between ~experience~ and the Subjective, Bruno? Have
> you any progress to report?

47 to go before my drink offer comes up again!!!!!!

>
> > > > and let us all be inspired
> > > > by our good friend
> > > > Ben my role model in illustrating how life can be lived at any age ,
>
> > > any?
>
> > Yes any  got a problem with that???
> > Please explain
>
> Cocktails for 2-year-olds?   Yacht-crewing for nonagenarians?

And the inspirational rest of the story which you have left out!!!!!!!

Muse what have you got against Ben apart from that he is smart enough
to have cottoned on to your game and had you against the ropes many
times.

Is it because he enjoyed Est and sailing with Werner???? and the other
100
pursuits and challenges he has successfully completed!!!!!!!!!!

Merry Christmas Muse .

Is there any Joy in your life??????
Just curious???

Cheers
From your newly retired boyfriend down South.

They gave me the arse at work finally because of Budget cuts, but then
they offered a small package as a parting gift.

Had I left on my own accord I would have got nothing.

1001 things to do now that I am free but I can't face any of them.

Muse can you guide back on track once again.

I have a gut feel you work in the mental field as a Psychiatrist????
When can I make an appointment.
I assume the first one is free on the house????

[tubby]

On Dec 23, 4:51 pm, ellena...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, December 16, 2012 7:30:27 PM UTC-8, patrick wrote:
> > On Sunday, December 16, 2012 5:44:09 PM UTC-6, Tex wrote:
>
> > > On Sunday, December 16, 2012 11:15:07 AM UTC-5, bentot wrote:
>
> > > > On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 08:02:32 -0800 (PST), patrick
>

> > > > <patrickda...@linuxmail.org> wrote:
>
> > > > >hope u get it. Merry Christmas
>
> > > > >its ok to be an integrity dummie
>
> > > > My screen is a little fuzzie this morning.  Was there a comma between
>
> > > > integrity and dummie?
>
> > > > bentot
>
> > > One thing Pat is certainly an expert on........
>
> > > dummies..  :)
>
> > i agree. i am an expert and u are possibly a dummie.
>
> > would u concur :)
>
> LOL
>
> Thanks for the laugh, Patrick.
>
> Ellen

A cheap laugh at that Ellen.????

[tubby]

On Dec 23, 2:10 pm, bentot <bentot1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Dec 2012 02:05:05 -0800 (PST), tubby <btono...@gmail.com>

Thanks Ben.

Funny about the beard I have a motley one also.

Have had it since I met my wife, and when I tried to
shave it off my family disowned me so I was politely
asked to grow it once more.

Merry Christmas to you Ben and a big hug from me to your
lovely Mum.

All the best to you and your family

Cheers bruno

[bentot]

On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 05:27:43 -0800 (PST), tubby <bton...@gmail.com>
wrote:

I hope the package is sufficient enough for you to fully retire. I
have been retied 24 wonderful years. Don't know how I could stuff an
eight-hour workday back in my busy non-schedule.

Cheers

bentot

[bentot]

On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 05:30:35 -0800 (PST), tubby <bton...@gmail.com>
wrote:

He pulled his punch a bit by saying "possibly."

bentot

[bentot]

On Sun, 23 Dec 2012 05:37:14 -0800 (PST), tubby <bton...@gmail.com>
wrote:

I found that having a beard was preferable to wearing a sack over my
head! ;)) The view is better.

Enjoy your retirement!

And, the best to yours, also

bentot

[Serena Nordstrup]

Oh, quite. But you haven't proven the reliability of your observation
or the accurcay of your comment.

> > > > > Any successful person knows what they can achieve
> > > > > and what they can't. Its inherent in the successful actions they
> > > > > partake in.
>
> > > > Really?
>
> > This claim really applies to any successful person, Bruno?
>
> Correct

So when Ab Cole writes " [...] since there is no limit to how much
better you can become, there is no limit to how much better you can
make your life" in 'How to Win Always' (ISBN 9781438966014
http://books.google.com/books?id=K6gGbbN5168C ) he does not direct his
message at people who have become successful or at people who will
become successful ?

> and don't you agree that Ben has been very successful in life
> in
> all the fields he has encountered.

I have no ~opinion~ on Ben's alleged success. I know of Ben only from
his posts.

> Why are you so finicky and laboring on this point  Serena????
> You are looking for a hair in the gate of the Cinema Camera when its
> not there!!!!

You've made claims. Apparently you can't or won't support your own
claims ...

> > > > > Interesting how you totally ignore Ben;s  achievements and  totally
> > > > > focus wanting evidence of his limits???????
>
> > > > No quote given. You have NOT proven that Ben knows his limits.
>
> > > > > Why is that so important to you Muse?????????
>
> > > > I have an interest in testing your claims, Bruno. They seldom stand up
> > > > to much scrutiny.
>
> > > That' s fine especially for you and your Muses in the heavens. Come
> > > back to earth
> > > and it may make more sense to you.
>
> > My questions have less to do with making sense for me than with
> > checking the validity of your claims. Every evasion and delay counts
> > against you in the eyes of readers.
>
> Okay if you really care about the readers ( which is a stalling
> tactic)
> lets put it to the test.
> Will the readers please stand up and be counted if they give a rats
> arse
> about our conversation and my perceived evasions and delays as
> reported
> by our local Queen Muse Serena Nordstrop????????

Fair and balanced survey with neutral wording?

I guess none. But I can't tell a ranter from a poster. Prove
otherwise, by all means.

> > > > > > > You show me yours and I'll show you mine.
>
> > > > > > > Are you Pau.  , or Serena Nordstrup or both????
>
> > > > > > Check the headers on my posts, if you've nothing better to do. After
> > > > > > you've established the link between ~experience~ and the Subjective,
> > > > > > of course.
>
> > > > > There you go again, now its 51 times you have asked the same
> > > > > dum........b question.
> > > > > I"ll be making another offer to buy you a drink when we get to
> > > > > 100!!!!!!!!
>
> > > > > Till then may I wish you a Festive Season
>
> > > > You may indeed. But I note that for some reason you still haven't
> > > > established the connection between the Subjective and ~experience~...
>
> > > 52 times 48 to go Muse before the big invite goes out!!!!!
>
> > So how goes the research on establishing the long-promised connection
> > which you made between ~experience~ and the Subjective, Bruno? Have
> > you any progress to report?
>
> 47 to go before my drink offer comes up again!!!!!!

Have you confused my question about your linking ~experience~ and the
Subjective with my other question (which have also not answered) about
progress on your research into linking ~experience~ and the
Subjective ?

> > > > > and let us all be inspired
> > > > > by our good friend
> > > > > Ben my role model in illustrating how life can be lived at any age ,
>
> > > > any?
>
> > > Yes any  got a problem with that???
> > > Please explain
>
> > Cocktails for 2-year-olds?   Yacht-crewing for nonagenarians?
>
> And the inspirational rest of the story which you have left out!!!!!!!

You claimed Ben as a role-model for "any age". I checked what you
actually claimed. You confirmed your claim and invited further
discussion. I suggested a couple of cases for discussion. Would you
prefer to modify your claim in the light of my cases? Or would you
prefer to evade the matter?

> Muse what have you got against Ben apart from that he is smart enough
> to have cottoned on to your game and had you against the ropes many
> times.
>
> Is it because he enjoyed Est and sailing with Werner???? and the other
> 100
> pursuits and challenges he has successfully completed!!!!!!!!!!

If I wanted to discuss Ben's claims I would discuss them with Ben.
Since I want to discuss Bruno's claims I discuss them with Bruno...

> Merry Christmas Muse .

Have a good one.

> Is there any Joy in your life??????

I don't understand the question.

> Just curious???

I have lots of curiosity. Why do you ask?

> Cheers
> From your newly retired boyfriend down South.
>
> They gave me the arse at work finally because of Budget cuts, but then
> they offered a small package as a parting gift.
>
> Had I left on my own accord I would have got nothing.
>
> 1001  things to do now  that I am free  but I can't face any of them.
>
> Muse can you guide back on track once again.

I see no evidence that you have changed track. Perhaps you could ~try~
changing track in the first place...

> I have a gut feel you work in the mental field as a Psychiatrist????
> When can I make an appointment.
> I assume the first one is free on the house????

I can give you a piece of advice, Bruno -- ignore your "gut feel".

> > > > > to the fullest.
>
> > > > > Cheers to you  Ben and your Honey!!!!!!
>
> > > > > Till then I remain your obedient servant my dear Muse.
>
> > > > > Fondest Regards
>
> > > > > Bruno

Enjoy your retirement!

[tubby]

This is not a "pissing contest" Serena, you will have to take me on my
word.
I don't have to prove anything.

>
> > > > > > Any successful person knows what they can achieve
> > > > > > and what they can't. Its inherent in the successful actions they
> > > > > > partake in.
>
> > > > > Really?
>
> > > This claim really applies to any successful person, Bruno?
>
> > Correct
>
> So when Ab Cole writes " [...] since there is no limit to how much
> better you can become, there is no limit to how much better you can

> make your life" in 'How to Win Always' (ISBN 9781438966014http://books.google.com/books?id=K6gGbbN5168C) he does not direct his

> message at people who have become successful or at people who will
> become successful ?

Wonderful. You have an agreement party with Abe Cole.

>
> > and don't you agree that Ben has been very successful in life
> > in
> > all the fields he has encountered.
>
> I have no ~opinion~ on Ben's alleged success. I know of Ben only from
> his posts.

Good.
It seems to don't have any opinions about anything.

I am bored shirtless sitting next to people that don't have opinions,
makes
a totally boring encounter.

What!!!!!!!!!
They are bored shirtless with this conversation and up to date have
ignored it.
Why don't you get your pal Pau to join the conversation ?????

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > > > > > > > Pretty simple Muse all in possibility thinking!
>
> > > > > > > Simple enough for you prove readily...
>
> > > > > > > > > > and has pushed his boundaries to
> > > > > > > > > > the extremes he can handle.
>
> > > > > > > > > > I didn't push as far because I am a little lazy nevertheless  still
> > > > > > > > > > content
> > > > > > > > > > in my skin.
>
> > > > > > > > > > Can you or the enigmatic  androgynous hortatory Muse say the same?????
>
> > > > > > > > > > Just curious?????
>
> > > > > > > > > No doubt - I detect a lot of curiosity about. Why do you ask?
>
> > > > > > > > Because I am interested and curious about " the enigmatic  androgynous
> > > > > > > > hortatory Muse "
>
> > > > > > > You have an interest in something you made up. Amazing!

Nuh its there and you know it!!!!!!

>
> > > > > > > > When you ask direct questions you get an answer.
> > > > > > > > Capisce!!!!!
>
> > > > > > > > > And how goes the research into linking ~experience~ with the
> > > > > > > > > Subjective, Bruno?
>
> > > > > > > > There you go again Muse. Didn't Kenny say you had asked that dumb
> > > > > > > > question 50+ times.
>
> > > > > > > He said something of that nature. Which just goes to highlight your
> > > > > > > tardiness in replying to the question.
>
> > > > > > Okay.
>
> > > > > > Well I miss Kenny 's dialogues and encounters with you Muse.
> > > > > > His presence was a breath of fresh air in moving  the clammy, sweaty
> > > > > > thought processes that
> > > > > > seem to linger around some of the Ranters when they ask questions.
>
> > > > > Which ranters, Bruno?
>
> > > You omitted to answer a question...  Which ranters have "clammy, sweat
> > > thought processes" apparently  lingering around them, Bruno?
>
> > Have a guess???
>
>  I guess none. But I can't tell a ranter from a poster. Prove
> otherwise, by all means.

Feel it Muse you might learn something, and then put out your
hands and feel the love Pattie has recommended for all of us.
It's Christmas after all!!!!!!

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > > > > > > > You show me yours and I'll show you mine.
>
> > > > > > > > Are you Pau.  , or Serena Nordstrup or both????
>
> > > > > > > Check the headers on my posts, if you've nothing better to do. After
> > > > > > > you've established the link between ~experience~ and the Subjective,
> > > > > > > of course.
>
> > > > > > There you go again, now its 51 times you have asked the same
> > > > > > dum........b question.
> > > > > > I"ll be making another offer to buy you a drink when we get to
> > > > > > 100!!!!!!!!
>
> > > > > > Till then may I wish you a Festive Season
>
> > > > > You may indeed. But I note that for some reason you still haven't
> > > > > established the connection between the Subjective and ~experience~...
>
> > > > 52 times 48 to go Muse before the big invite goes out!!!!!
>
> > > So how goes the research on establishing the long-promised connection
> > > which you made between ~experience~ and the Subjective, Bruno? Have
> > > you any progress to report?
>
> > 47 to go before my drink offer comes up again!!!!!!
>
> Have you confused my question about your linking ~experience~ and the
> Subjective with my other question (which have also not answered) about
> progress on your research into linking ~experience~ and the
> Subjective ?

46 to go Muse. I'll start to clean the glasses.

Bottoms up Ben.

Cheers Bruno

>
> > > > > > and let us all be inspired
> > > > > > by our good friend
> > > > > > Ben my role model in illustrating how life can be lived at any age ,
>
> > > > > any?
>
> > > > Yes any  got a problem with that???
> > > > Please explain
>
> > > Cocktails for 2-year-olds?   Yacht-crewing for nonagenarians?
>
> > And the inspirational rest of the story which you have left out!!!!!!!
>
> You claimed Ben as a role-model for "any age".  I checked what you

> ...
>
> read more »

[tubby]

> make your life" in 'How to Win Always' (ISBN 9781438966014http://books.google.com/books?id=K6gGbbN5168C) he does not direct his

I don't know what you are talking about Serena.
Please explain with examples.

>
> > Muse what have you got against Ben apart from that he is smart enough
> > to have cottoned on to your game and had you against the ropes many
> > times.
>
> > Is it because he enjoyed Est and sailing with Werner???? and the other
> > 100
> > pursuits and challenges he has successfully completed!!!!!!!!!!
>
> If I wanted to discuss Ben's claims I would discuss them with Ben.
> Since I want to discuss Bruno's claims I discuss them with Bruno...

Well I don't think there is much difference.
I just interpreted what I read in his Posts.
No one else here challenged my interpretations ??????

>
> > Merry Christmas Muse .
>
> Have a good one.
>
> > Is there any Joy in your life??????
>
> I don't understand the question.

Simple I will say it again

" Is there any Joy in your life"


>

> > Just curious???
>
> I have lots of curiosity. Why do you ask?

Because I like you.

>
> > Cheers
> > From your newly retired boyfriend down South.
>
> > They gave me the arse at work finally because of Budget cuts, but then
> > they offered a small package as a parting gift.
>
> > Had I left on my own accord I would have got nothing.
>
> > 1001  things to do now  that I am free  but I can't face any of them.
>
> > Muse can you guide back on track once again.
>
> I see no evidence that you have changed track. Perhaps you could ~try~
> changing track in the first place...
>
> > I have a gut feel you work in the mental field as a Psychiatrist????
> > When can I make an appointment.
> > I assume the first one is free on the house????
>
> I can give you a piece of advice, Bruno -- ignore your "gut feel".

So no appointment to see you on a professional basis?????
Pity because I thought you may be able to guide me in my time of
crisis
after retirement.

Cheers and a Merry Christmas to all.

[Serena Nordstrup]

Oh, you forgot to explain your estimation of the fullness of Ben's
~life~, Bruno. ..

> > > > > > > > > > > who as a mere mortal knows his limits
>
> > > > > > > > > > As vouchsafed to you by what miraculous medium, Bruno?
>
> > > > > > > > > His writings.
>
> > > > > > > > Gimme a quote, Bruno. Prove to me your assertion that Ben's writings
> > > > > > > > demonstrate that Ben knows his limits.
>
> > > > > > > Its all there in his writings, telling us about his service life,his
> > > > > > > travels , encounter with different cultures,
> > > > > > > his understanding of other people,his vulnerabilities  and how he
> > > > > > > overcame them,his passion for water rafting
> > > > > > > and sailing, his passion for dancing and his good fortune to find a
> > > > > > > great partner and companion and enjoy life
> > > > > > > to the fullest at a grand mature age.
> > > > > > > Now isn't that something to be joyful about????????
>
> > > > > > > My comment about Ben knowing his limits is merely  an observation or
> > > > > > > comment.
>
> >  Oh, quite. But you haven't proven the reliability of your observation
> > or the accurcay of your comment.
>
> This is not a "pissing contest" Serena, you will have to take me on my
> word.
> I don't have to prove anything.

Of course you don't have to prove anything, Bruno. Not if you don't
stand by your observations or comments. And not if you prefer to see
them those observations and amments questioned and undermined by your
lack of support for them...

> > > > > > > Any successful person knows what they can achieve
> > > > > > > and what they can't. Its inherent in the successful actions they
> > > > > > > partake in.
>
> > > > > > Really?
>
> > > > This claim really applies to any successful person, Bruno?
>
> > > Correct
>
> > So when Ab Cole writes " [...] since there is no limit to how much
> > better you can become, there is no limit to how much better you can
> > make your life" in 'How to Win Always' (ISBN 9781438966014http://books.google.com/books?id=K6gGbbN5168C) he does not direct his
> > message at people who have become successful or at people who will
> > become successful ?
>
> Wonderful. You have an agreement party with Abe Cole.

Disregarding that non-sequitur, when Ab Cole writes " [...] since

there is no limit to how much
better you can become, there is no limit to how much better you can
make your life" in 'How to Win Always' (ISBN 9781438966014http://
books.google.com/books?id=K6gGbbN5168C) he does not direct his message
at people who have become successful or at people who will become

successful, Bruno ?

> > > and don't you agree that Ben has been very successful in life
> > > in
> > > all the fields he has encountered.
>
> > I have no ~opinion~ on Ben's alleged success. I know of Ben only from
> > his posts.
>
> Good.
> It seems to don't have any opinions about anything.

Would that make me a non-ranter?

> I am bored shirtless sitting next to people that don't have opinions,
> makes
> a totally boring encounter.

How sad for you.

Oh, really?

> Why don't you get your pal Pau to join the conversation ?????

When I "do" rosenbergism and acquire personal ~power~ I may learn the
skills to ~get~ Pau to do what you want. In the meantime you can
~choose~ to answer questions from me.

> > > > > > > > > Pretty simple Muse all in possibility thinking!
>
> > > > > > > > Simple enough for you prove readily...
>
> > > > > > > > > > > and has pushed his boundaries to
> > > > > > > > > > > the extremes he can handle.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > I didn't push as far because I am a little lazy nevertheless  still
> > > > > > > > > > > content
> > > > > > > > > > > in my skin.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > Can you or the enigmatic  androgynous hortatory Muse say the same?????
>
> > > > > > > > > > > Just curious?????
>
> > > > > > > > > > No doubt - I detect a lot of curiosity about. Why do you ask?
>
> > > > > > > > > Because I am interested and curious about " the enigmatic  androgynous
> > > > > > > > > hortatory Muse "
>
> > > > > > > > You have an interest in something you made up. Amazing!
>
> Nuh its there and you know it!!!!!!

You made up the concept of "the enigmatic  androgynous hortatory
Muse". In this very thread. Prove otherwise if you want.

> > > > > > > > > When you ask direct questions you get an answer.
> > > > > > > > > Capisce!!!!!
>
> > > > > > > > > > And how goes the research into linking ~experience~ with the
> > > > > > > > > > Subjective, Bruno?
>
> > > > > > > > > There you go again Muse. Didn't Kenny say you had asked that dumb
> > > > > > > > > question 50+ times.
>
> > > > > > > > He said something of that nature. Which just goes to highlight your
> > > > > > > > tardiness in replying to the question.
>
> > > > > > > Okay.
>
> > > > > > > Well I miss Kenny 's dialogues and encounters with you Muse.
> > > > > > > His presence was a breath of fresh air in moving  the clammy, sweaty
> > > > > > > thought processes that
> > > > > > > seem to linger around some of the Ranters when they ask questions.
>
> > > > > > Which ranters, Bruno?
>
> > > > You omitted to answer a question...  Which ranters have "clammy, sweat
> > > > thought processes" apparently  lingering around them, Bruno?
>
> > > Have a guess???
>
> >  I guess none. But I can't tell a ranter from a poster. Prove
> > otherwise, by all means.
>
> Feel it Muse you might learn something, and then put out your
> hands and feel the love Pattie has recommended for all of us.
> It's Christmas after all!!!!!!

In the interim I will assume that no ranters have "clammy, sweat
thought processes" apparently  lingering around them. Until you
demonstrate otherwise.

Subjective, Bruno ?

[Serena Nordstrup]

You claimed Ben as a role-model for "any age" when you wrote:

" [...] let us all be inspired by our good friend Ben my role model

in illustrating how life can be lived at any age ,"

.  I checked what you actually claimed by asking:

"any?"

You confirmed your claim and invited further discussion when you
wrote:

"Yes any got a problem with that??? Please explain"

I suggested a couple of cases for discussion by asking:

"Cocktails for 2-year-olds? Yacht-crewing for nonagenarians?"

Would you prefer to modify your claim in the light of my cases, Bruno?

Or would you prefer to evade the matter?

> > > Muse what have you got against Ben apart from that he is smart enough
> > > to have cottoned on to your game and had you against the ropes many
> > > times.
>
> > > Is it because he enjoyed Est and sailing with Werner???? and the other
> > > 100
> > > pursuits and challenges he has successfully completed!!!!!!!!!!
>
> > If I wanted to discuss Ben's claims I would discuss them with Ben.
> > Since I want to discuss Bruno's claims I discuss them with Bruno...
>
> Well I don't think there is much difference.
> I just interpreted what I read in his Posts.
> No one else here challenged  my interpretations ??????

Rosenbergism hasn't taught you to ~distinguish~ between a claim from
person X and an ~interpretation~ from person Y?

> > > Merry Christmas Muse .
>
> > Have a good one.
>
> > > Is there any Joy in your life??????
>
> > I don't understand the question.
>
> Simple I will say it again
>
> " Is there any Joy in your life"

This ~life~ thingy -- I have one of those?

> > > Just curious???
>
> > I have lots of curiosity. Why do you ask?
>
> Because I like you.

The more you ask whether I have curiosity, the more you like me?

> > > Cheers
> > > From your newly retired boyfriend down South.
>
> > > They gave me the arse at work finally because of Budget cuts, but then
> > > they offered a small package as a parting gift.
>
> > > Had I left on my own accord I would have got nothing.
>
> > > 1001  things to do now  that I am free  but I can't face any of them.
>
> > > Muse can you guide back on track once again.
>
> > I see no evidence that you have changed track. Perhaps you could ~try~
> > changing track in the first place...
>
> > > I have a gut feel you work in the mental field as a Psychiatrist????
> > > When can I make an appointment.
> > > I assume the first one is free on the house????
>
> > I can give you a piece of advice, Bruno -- ignore your "gut feel".
>
> So no appointment to see you on a professional basis?????
> Pity because I thought you may be able to guide me in my time of
> crisis
> after retirement.

You deceived and misled yourself by following your "gut feel".

[tubby]

On Dec 25 2012, 9:56 pm, Serena Nordstrup <s_nordst...@my-deja.com>

Happy New Year my wonderful Muse.
I hope yours was more exciting than mine.
I was stuck in a wee country town called Gembrook and valiantly
searched for
a community dance in the local hall however unfortunately for us the
town was
as dead as a door nail. We met a local who told us " Its pretty quiet
around here"
so we returned back to the Log Cabin we were staying at and saw the
New Year in
between watching an old Jame bond film.
Pretty boring really. Just after 12 we went to bed.

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > who as a mere mortal knows his limits
>
> > > > > > > > > > > As vouchsafed to you by what miraculous medium, Bruno?
>
> > > > > > > > > > His writings.
>
> > > > > > > > > Gimme a quote, Bruno. Prove to me your assertion that Ben's writings
> > > > > > > > > demonstrate that Ben knows his limits.
>
> > > > > > > > Its all there in his writings, telling us about his service life,his
> > > > > > > > travels , encounter with different cultures,
> > > > > > > > his understanding of other people,his vulnerabilities  and how he
> > > > > > > > overcame them,his passion for water rafting
> > > > > > > > and sailing, his passion for dancing and his good fortune to find a
> > > > > > > > great partner and companion and enjoy life
> > > > > > > > to the fullest at a grand mature age.
> > > > > > > > Now isn't that something to be joyful about????????
>
> > > > > > > > My comment about Ben knowing his limits is merely  an observation or
> > > > > > > > comment.
>
> > >  Oh, quite. But you haven't proven the reliability of your observation

> > > or the accuracy of your comment.

>
> > This is not a "pissing contest" Serena, you will have to take me on my
> > word.
> > I don't have to prove anything.
>
> Of course you don't have to prove anything, Bruno. Not if you don't
> stand by your observations or comments. And not if you prefer to see

> them those observations and comments questioned and undermined  by your

> lack of support for them...

Please explain??????????

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > > > > > > > Any successful person knows what they can achieve
> > > > > > > > and what they can't. Its inherent in the successful actions they
> > > > > > > > partake in.
>
> > > > > > > Really?
>
> > > > > This claim really applies to any successful person, Bruno?
>
> > > > Correct
>
> > > So when Ab Cole writes " [...] since there is no limit to how much
> > > better you can become, there is no limit to how much better you can
> > > make your life" in 'How to Win Always' (ISBN 9781438966014http://books.google.com/books?id=K6gGbbN5168C) he does not direct his
> > > message at people who have become successful or at people who will
> > > become successful ?
>
> > Wonderful. You have an agreement party with Abe Cole.
>
> Disregarding that non-sequitur, when Ab Cole writes " [...] since
> there is no limit to how much
> better you can become, there is no limit to how much better you can
> make your life" in 'How to Win Always' (ISBN 9781438966014http://
> books.google.com/books?id=K6gGbbN5168C) he does not direct his message
> at people who have become successful or at people who will become
> successful, Bruno ?

Again I repeat " Wonderful. You have an agreement party with Abe
Cole."


>

> > > > and don't you agree that Ben has been very successful in life
> > > > in
> > > > all the fields he has encountered.
>
> > > I have no ~opinion~ on Ben's alleged success. I know of Ben only from
> > > his posts.
>
> > Good.
> > It seems to don't have any opinions about anything.
>
> Would that make me a non-ranter?
>
> > I am bored shirtless sitting next to people that don't have opinions,
> > makes
> > a totally boring encounter.
>
> How sad for you.

Nothing to be sad about.
If one is spineless not to have an opinion or position, it does make
for
boring conversation.

A double blind Trial maybe Muse organised by you and Pau????

>
> > What!!!!!!!!!
> > They are bored shirtless with this conversation and up to date have
> > ignored it.
>
> Oh, really?
>
> > Why don't you get your pal Pau to join the conversation ?????
>
> When I "do" rosenbergism and acquire personal ~power~ I may learn the
> skills to ~get~ Pau to do what you want. In the meantime you can
> ~choose~ to answer questions from me.

No need to Muse. Its all there in the postings. Your blind spot and
prejudice seems to
be getting in the way of deciphering what I have posted.

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > > > > > > > > > Pretty simple Muse all in possibility thinking!
>
> > > > > > > > > Simple enough for you prove readily...

Correct all there in the Postings.

Have a wonderful Year Muse


Regards from your boyfriend down South.

>
> > > > > > > > > > > > and has pushed his boundaries to
> > > > > > > > > > > > the extremes he can handle.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > I didn't push as far because I am a little lazy nevertheless  still
> > > > > > > > > > > > content
> > > > > > > > > > > > in my skin.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > Can you or the enigmatic  androgynous hortatory Muse say the same?????
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > Just curious?????
>
> > > > > > > > > > > No doubt - I detect a lot of curiosity about. Why do you ask?
>
> > > > > > > > > > Because I am interested and curious about " the enigmatic  androgynous
> > > > > > > > > > hortatory Muse "
>
> > > > > > > > > You have an interest in something you made up. Amazing!
>
> > Nuh its there and you know it!!!!!!
>
> You made up the concept of "the enigmatic  androgynous hortatory
> Muse".  In this very thread. Prove otherwise if you want.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > > > > > > > > > When you ask direct questions you get an answer.
> > > > > > > > > > Capisce!!!!!
>
> > > > > > > > > > > And how goes the research into linking ~experience~ with the
> > > > > > > > > > > Subjective, Bruno?
>
> > > > > > > > > > There you go again Muse. Didn't Kenny say you had asked that dumb
> > > > > > > > > > question 50+ times.
>
> > > > > > > > > He said something of that nature. Which just goes to highlight your
>

> ...
>
> read more »

[Serena Nordstrup]

Hey, you forgot to explain your estimation of the fullness of Ben's

~life~, Bruno. ..

> Happy New Year my wonderful Muse.

Thank you. I hope you have a more enlightened year, whenever it may
start...

> I hope yours was more exciting than mine.
> I was stuck in a wee country town called Gembrook

You ~ chose~ not to unstick yourself from Gembrook... What can I say?
Something about blaming the ~victim~?

> and valiantly searched for
> a community dance in the local hall however unfortunately for us the
> town was
> as dead as a door nail. We met a local who told us " Its pretty quiet
> around here"
> so we returned back to the Log Cabin we were staying at and saw the
> New Year in
> between watching an old  Jame bond film.

Nothing wrong with the old James Bond as a form of sexist nostalgia.

> Pretty boring really. Just after 12  we went to bed.

Some societies regard it as normal to go to bed at some stage during
the hours of darkness.

You have a ~choice~, Bruno: shape up or get laughed out.

> > > > > > > > > Any successful person knows what they can achieve
> > > > > > > > > and what they can't. Its inherent in the successful actions they
> > > > > > > > > partake in.
>
> > > > > > > > Really?
>
> > > > > > This claim really applies to any successful person, Bruno?
>
> > > > > Correct
>
> > > > So when Ab Cole writes " [...] since there is no limit to how much
> > > > better you can become, there is no limit to how much better you can
> > > > make your life" in 'How to Win Always' (ISBN 9781438966014http://books.google.com/books?id=K6gGbbN5168C) he does not direct his
> > > > message at people who have become successful or at people who will
> > > > become successful ?
>
> > > Wonderful. You have an agreement party with Abe Cole.
>
> > Disregarding that non-sequitur, when Ab Cole writes " [...] since
> > there is no limit to how much
> > better you can become, there is no limit to how much better you can
> > make your life" in 'How to Win Always' (ISBN 9781438966014http://
> > books.google.com/books?id=K6gGbbN5168C) he does not direct his message
> > at people who have become successful or at people who will become
> > successful, Bruno ?
>
> Again I repeat  " Wonderful. You have an agreement party with Abe
> Cole."

Whenever I quote so-called ~werner~ so-called ~erhard~ it counts as an
agreement party too?

And when Anthony Robbins's publishers call his book "Unlimited Power"
they don't market it to the successful or to those who will become
successful?

> > > > > and don't you agree that Ben has been very successful in life
> > > > > in
> > > > > all the fields he has encountered.
>
> > > > I have no ~opinion~ on Ben's alleged success. I know of Ben only from
> > > > his posts.
>
> > > Good.
> > > It seems to don't have any opinions about anything.
>
> > Would that make me a non-ranter?

Would that make me a non-ranter, Bruno?

> > > I am bored shirtless sitting next to people that don't have opinions,
> > > makes
> > > a totally boring encounter.
>
> > How sad for you.
>
> Nothing to be sad about.
> If one is spineless not to have an opinion or position, it does make
> for
> boring conversation.

Big "if"!

How would a double-blind trial work (in logistical terms) to produce a
fair and balanced survey with neutral wording?

> > > What!!!!!!!!!
> > > They are bored shirtless with this conversation and up to date have
> > > ignored it.
>
> > Oh, really?

Oh, really?

> > > Why don't you get your pal Pau to join the conversation ?????
>
> > When I "do" rosenbergism and acquire personal ~power~ I may learn the
> > skills to ~get~ Pau to do what you want. In the meantime you can
> > ~choose~ to answer questions from me.
>
> No need to Muse.

I agree that nobody has any need to "do" rosenbergism.

> Its all there in the postings. Your blind spot and
> prejudice seems to
> be getting in the way of deciphering what I have posted.

Help me define and learn the limits of my "blind spot" then.

[tubby]

Just a mere play on words my Muse.

Really by whom?????
You and Pau????????

No one to date gives a rats arse about your requests.
Even Pattie has kept out of the conversation.

Go ask their Marketing department who their target audience is and you
will get
your answer.

>
> > > > > > and don't you agree that Ben has been very successful in life
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > all the fields he has encountered.
>
> > > > > I have no ~opinion~ on Ben's alleged success. I know of Ben only from
> > > > > his posts.
>
> > > > Good.
> > > > It seems to don't have any opinions about anything.
>
> > > Would that make me a non-ranter?
>
> Would that make me a non-ranter, Bruno?

Possibly when you don't open your mouth.
Unfortunately you find that hard to do!!!!!

>
> > > > I am bored shirtless sitting next to people that don't have opinions,
> > > > makes
> > > > a totally boring encounter.
>
> > > How sad for you.
>
> > Nothing to be sad about.
> > If one is spineless not to have an opinion or position, it does make
> > for
> > boring conversation.
>
> Big "if"!

Not really.

Sorry I can't.
I have tried but it seems that my observations, comments just don't
have the logic or the persuasive power to bring you out of your
shell.

I do wish you a wonderful logical exciting New Year

Regards from
Your boyfriend Down South.

It was 40+ degrees yesterday and today we had a cool change much to
our relief.

[Serena Nordstrup]

You still forgot to explain your estimation of the fullness of Ben's

~life~, Bruno. ..

> > > Happy New Year my wonderful Muse.
>
> > Thank you. I hope you have a more enlightened year, whenever it may
> > start...
>
> > > I hope yours was more exciting than mine.
> > > I was stuck in a wee country town called Gembrook
>
> > You ~ chose~ not to unstick yourself from Gembrook... What can I say?
> > Something about blaming the ~victim~?
>
> Just a mere play on words my Muse.

... and therefore we shouldn't take it seriously...

Do we conclude that any rosenbergist use of ~stuck~ - as a "mere play
on words" - has no value?

You can see for yourself the sterility of the unanswered question...

> You and Pau????????
>
> No one to date  gives a rats arse about your requests.

I don't do ~requests~, Bruno. I do ask questions. It amuses me to see
the lengths people go to to avoid answering them...

What connection do you make between the Subjective and ~experience~ in
Caligari/Nietzsche, again?

Really?

You don't have an ~opinion~ yourself on the attraction of "unlimited
power" for the would-be successful?

> > > > > > > and don't you agree that Ben has been very successful in life
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > all the fields he has encountered.
>
> > > > > > I have no ~opinion~ on Ben's alleged success. I know of Ben only from
> > > > > > his posts.
>
> > > > > Good.
> > > > > It seems to don't have any opinions about anything.
>
> > > > Would that make me a non-ranter?
>
> > Would that make me a non-ranter, Bruno?
>
> Possibly  when you don't open your mouth.
> Unfortunately you find that hard to do!!!!!

So -- you define "ranters" as "people who open their mouths" ?

> > > > > I am bored shirtless sitting next to people that don't have opinions,
> > > > > makes
> > > > > a totally boring encounter.
>
> > > > How sad for you.
>
> > > Nothing to be sad about.
> > > If one is spineless not to have an opinion or position, it does make
> > > for
> > > boring conversation.
>
> > Big "if"!
>
> Not really.

You have an ~opinion~ or a ~position~ on Mongolian foreign policy in
1940 or we call you "spineless", right?

You find it easier to cast aspersions than to solve perceived issues?

[tubby]

There you go again Muse, I'm counting and soon you will get that
invitation to go out for a drink.

>
> > > > Happy New Year my wonderful Muse.
>
> > > Thank you. I hope you have a more enlightened year, whenever it may
> > > start...
>
> > > > I hope yours was more exciting than mine.
> > > > I was stuck in a wee country town called Gembrook
>
> > > You ~ chose~ not to unstick yourself from Gembrook... What can I say?
> > > Something about blaming the ~victim~?
>
> > Just a mere play on words my Muse.
>
> ... and therefore we shouldn't take it seriously...
>
> Do we conclude that any rosenbergist use of ~stuck~ - as a "mere play
> on words" - has no value?

What do you think!!!!!!!!
I'l be guided my your comments

There goes the broken record Muse. I'm still counting!!!!

>
> > Even Pattie has kept out of the conversation.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > Any successful person knows what they can achieve
> > > > > > > > > > > > and what they can't. Its inherent in the successful actions they
> > > > > > > > > > > > partake in.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > Really?
>
> > > > > > > > > This claim really applies to any successful person, Bruno?
>
> > > > > > > > Correct
>
> > > > > > > So when Ab Cole writes " [...] since there is no limit to how much
> > > > > > > better you can become, there is no limit to how much better you can
> > > > > > > make your life" in 'How to Win Always' (ISBN 9781438966014http://books.google.com/books?id=K6gGbbN5168C) he does not direct his
> > > > > > > message at people who have become successful or at people who will
> > > > > > > become successful ?
>
> > > > > > Wonderful. You have an agreement party with Abe Cole.
>
> > > > > Disregarding that non-sequitur, when Ab Cole writes " [...] since
> > > > > there is no limit to how much
> > > > > better you can become, there is no limit to how much better you can
> > > > > make your life" in 'How to Win Always' (ISBN 9781438966014http://
> > > > > books.google.com/books?id=K6gGbbN5168C) he does not direct his message
> > > > > at people who have become successful or at people who will become
> > > > > successful, Bruno ?
>
> > > > Again I repeat  " Wonderful. You have an agreement party with Abe
> > > > Cole."
>
> > > Whenever I quote so-called ~werner~ so-called ~erhard~ it counts as an
> > > agreement party too?

Depends on the content Muse.

>
> Whenever I quote so-called ~werner~ so-called ~erhard~ it counts as
> an  agreement party too?
>
> > > And when Anthony Robbins's publishers call his book "Unlimited Power"
> > > they don't market it to the successful or to those who will become
> > > successful?
>
> > Go ask their Marketing department who their target audience is and you
> > will get your answer.
>
> Really?
>
> You don't have an ~opinion~ yourself on the attraction of "unlimited
> power" for the would-be successful?

No. Not interested.

>
> > > > > > > > and don't you agree that Ben has been very successful in life
> > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > all the fields he has encountered.
>
> > > > > > > I have no ~opinion~ on Ben's alleged success. I know of Ben only from
> > > > > > > his posts.
>
> > > > > > Good.
> > > > > > It seems to don't have any opinions about anything.
>
> > > > > Would that make me a non-ranter?
>
> > > Would that make me a non-ranter, Bruno?
>
> > Possibly  when you don't open your mouth.
> > Unfortunately you find that hard to do!!!!!
>
> So -- you define "ranters" as "people who open their mouths" ?

People such as yourself could be classed as role model yes.

>
> > > > > > I am bored shirtless sitting next to people that don't have opinions,
> > > > > > makes
> > > > > > a totally boring encounter.
>
> > > > > How sad for you.
>
> > > > Nothing to be sad about.
> > > > If one is spineless not to have an opinion or position, it does make
> > > > for
> > > > boring conversation.
>
> > > Big "if"!
>
> > Not really.
>
> You have an ~opinion~ or a ~position~ on Mongolian foreign policy in
> 1940 or we call you "spineless", right?

Content does not interest me.

You figure it out Muse your' e the logical one around here.

>
> > > > > > What!!!!!!!!!
> > > > > > They are bored shirtless with this conversation and up to date have
> > > > > > ignored it.
>
> > > > > Oh, really?
>
> > > Oh, really?
>
> Oh, really?
>
> > > > > > Why don't you get your pal Pau to join the conversation ?????
>
> > > > > When I "do" rosenbergism and acquire personal ~power~ I may learn the
> > > > > skills to ~get~ Pau to do what you want. In the meantime you can
> > > > > ~choose~ to answer questions from me.
>
> > > > No need to Muse.
>
> > > I agree that nobody has any need to "do" rosenbergism.
>
> > > > Its all there in the postings. Your blind spot and
> > > > prejudice seems to
> > > > be getting in the way of deciphering what I have posted.
>
> > > Help me define and learn the limits of my "blind spot" then.
>
> > Sorry I can't.
> > I have tried but it seems that my observations, comments just don't
> > have the logic or the  persuasive power  to bring you out of your
> > shell.
>
> You find it easier to cast aspersions than to solve perceived issues?> I do wish you a wonderful logical exciting New Year

Not at all Muse.
Its all in the perception and I am glad you have finally come around
to at least acknowledge perception .

Did I not say Perception comes before logic.

Our differences are in our perception of some of these issues.

Pretty simple really.



Don't know why you are so hard on not acknowledging the value of
Ben's experiences though?

Its all in his posts.

Pity you can't see the relevance and the fact that Ben has led such a
successful life.

You can't hack that can you , and all because he stated he had
enjoyed his time with Est.

Boy you certainly are carrying some monkeys on your back!!!!!

As Pattie says "" Put out your hands and feel the love""""

[patrick]

[Caligari]

On Jan 6, 10:04 am, patrick <patrickda...@linuxmail.org> wrote:
>

[Serena Nordstrup]

Still no answer to the question. Have I accidentally hit on one of
the unanswerables? ... Yet you regard Ben's ~life~ as "full"...

> > > > > Happy New Year my wonderful Muse.
>
> > > > Thank you. I hope you have a more enlightened year, whenever it may
> > > > start...
>
> > > > > I hope yours was more exciting than mine.
> > > > > I was stuck in a wee country town called Gembrook
>
> > > > You ~ chose~ not to unstick yourself from Gembrook... What can I say?
> > > > Something about blaming the ~victim~?
>
> > > Just a mere play on words my Muse.
>
> > ... and therefore we shouldn't take it seriously...
>
> > Do we conclude that any rosenbergist use of ~stuck~ - as a "mere play
> > on words" - has no value?
>
> What do you think!!!!!!!!
> I'l be guided my your comments

Might as well ~try~. <Adding ~stuck~ to examples of rosenbergist
inexplicable idiocy.>

Got a counter on your website where one can work out what does and
what does not trigger a hit on your refusals to risk ~making yourself
wrong~?

Oh, silly me! I thought the context trumped the second-hand content...

> > Whenever I quote so-called ~werner~ so-called ~erhard~ it counts as
> > an  agreement party too?
>
> > > > And when Anthony Robbins's publishers call his book "Unlimited Power"
> > > > they don't market it to the successful or to those who will become
> > > > successful?
>
> > > Go ask their Marketing department who their target audience is and you
> > > will get your answer.
>
> > Really?
>
> > You don't have an ~opinion~ yourself on the attraction of "unlimited
> > power" for the would-be successful?
>
> No. Not interested.

Even though "people that don't have opinions, makes a totally boring
encounter" and "If one is spineless not to have an opinion or
position, it does make
for boring conversation" ?

Therefore no ~opinion~ or ~position~ on the matter? Despite all the
parallels with Australia?

I can see how it might slow things down and reduce the pool of the
surveyed. Do you want that?

> > > > > > > What!!!!!!!!!
> > > > > > > They are bored shirtless with this conversation and up to date have
> > > > > > > ignored it.
>
> > > > > > Oh, really?
>
> > > > Oh, really?
>
> > Oh, really?

Oh, really? And you have proof positive of this?

> > > > > > > Why don't you get your pal Pau to join the conversation ?????
>
> > > > > > When I "do" rosenbergism and acquire personal ~power~ I may learn the
> > > > > > skills to ~get~ Pau to do what you want. In the meantime you can
> > > > > > ~choose~ to answer questions from me.
>
> > > > > No need to Muse.
>
> > > > I agree that nobody has any need to "do" rosenbergism.
>
> > > > > Its all there in the postings. Your blind spot and
> > > > > prejudice seems to
> > > > > be getting in the way of deciphering what I have posted.
>
> > > > Help me define and learn the limits of my "blind spot" then.
>
> > > Sorry I can't.
> > > I have tried but it seems that my observations, comments just don't
> > > have the logic or the  persuasive power  to bring you out of your
> > > shell.
>
> > You find it easier to cast aspersions than to solve perceived issues?>                                                              I do wish you a wonderful logical exciting New Year
>
> Not at all Muse.
> Its all in the perception

But I thought "it was all" a matter of ~relationships~.... How did I
get the wrong end of the stick here, Bruno?

> and I am glad you have finally come around
> to at least acknowledge perception .
>
> Did I not say Perception comes before logic.

I believe you did. So we work backwards from the real world to the
perception of -- I dunno -- something like Platonick forms?

> Our differences are in our perception of some of these  issues.

You just need to account for you perception and the complications of
the multiverse will just wither away? When do you start?

> Pretty simple really.
>
> Don't know why you are so hard on not acknowledging the value of
> Ben's experiences though?
>
> Its all in his posts.

And I have nothing else to go on. Flimsy, first-person stuff.

> Pity you can't see the relevance and the fact that Ben has led such a
> successful life.
>
> You can't hack that can you ,  and all because he stated he had
> enjoyed his time with Est.

If someone implies a liking for rosenbergism, they get some questions
to answer. If they don't answer we stand on the sidelines and laugh at
the dodging of the questions...

> Boy you certainly are carrying some monkeys on your back!!!!!

I call them Prunella and Stig.

[tubby]

Of course I do. Its all in his Postings.
Boy you must hate success with a vengeance.

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > > > > > Happy New Year my wonderful Muse.
>
> > > > > Thank you. I hope you have a more enlightened year, whenever it may
> > > > > start...
>
> > > > > > I hope yours was more exciting than mine.
> > > > > > I was stuck in a wee country town called Gembrook
>
> > > > > You ~ chose~ not to unstick yourself from Gembrook... What can I say?
> > > > > Something about blaming the ~victim~?
>
> > > > Just a mere play on words my Muse.
>
> > > ... and therefore we shouldn't take it seriously...
>
> > > Do we conclude that any rosenbergist use of ~stuck~ - as a "mere play
> > > on words" - has no value?
>
> > What do you think!!!!!!!!
> > I'l be guided my your comments
>
> Might as well ~try~. <Adding ~stuck~ to examples of rosenbergist
> inexplicable idiocy.>

Okay, fine.
Lets place a period.

I don't have a problem making mistakes my fair Muse.
Forum brought that message home to me.
I suppose that what you don't like to hear that most people that
participated in
ESt/ Forum got something out of it.
Can't handle the truthh?????

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > > > Even Pattie has kept out of the conversation.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any successful person knows what they can achieve
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > and what they can't. Its inherent in the successful actions they
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > partake in.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Really?
>
> > > > > > > > > > > This claim really applies to any successful person, Bruno?
>
> > > > > > > > > > Correct
>
> > > > > > > > > So when Ab Cole writes " [...] since there is no limit to how much
> > > > > > > > > better you can become, there is no limit to how much better you can
> > > > > > > > > make your life" in 'How to Win Always' (ISBN 9781438966014http://books.google.com/books?id=K6gGbbN5168C) he does not direct his
> > > > > > > > > message at people who have become successful or
>

> ...
>
> read more »

[tubby]

No I can't. If you have blind spots and can;t see the writings, I'm
afraid I can't help you.

Fine now you know.

>
> > > Whenever I quote so-called ~werner~ so-called ~erhard~ it counts as
> > > an  agreement party too?
>
> > > > > And when Anthony Robbins's publishers call his book "Unlimited Power"
> > > > > they don't market it to the successful or to those who will become
> > > > > successful?
>
> > > > Go ask their Marketing department who their target audience is and you
> > > > will get your answer.
>
> > > Really?
>
> > > You don't have an ~opinion~ yourself on the attraction of "unlimited
> > > power" for the would-be successful?
>
> > No. Not interested.
>
> Even though "people that don't have opinions, makes a totally boring
> encounter" and  "If one is spineless not to have an opinion or
> position, it does make
> for boring conversation" ?

You must be a lawyer with all these word games you wish to play.
If I believed in past lives I can just see you as the Grand Inquisitor
tormenting ordinary good folks because they did not tow the religious
line
of the day.
I think you get off tormenting people???????

Is this correct???
Yes or No will do!!!!

See you have all the answers >
Aren't you clever.

Buggered if I know Muse.
I'm glad you have seen the light that you got thr wrong end of the
stick!!!!!

>
> > and I am glad you have finally come around
> > to at least acknowledge perception .
>
> > Did I not say Perception comes before logic.


>
> I believe you did. So we work backwards from the real world to the
> perception of  -- I dunno -- something like Platonick forms?

Not my world Muse but maybe yours since you abode in the heavens

>
> > Our differences are in our perception of some of these  issues.
>
>  You just need to account for you perception and the complications of
> the multiverse will just wither away? When do you start?

No need to account anything Muse, I am more than content with
my perceived world.
It seems to me that you are bitter about yours.

>
> > Pretty simple really.
>
> > Don't know why you are so hard on not acknowledging the value of
> > Ben's experiences though?
>
> > Its all in his posts.
>
> And I have nothing else to go on. Flimsy, first-person stuff.

It all has to start somewhere.

>
> > Pity you can't see the relevance and the fact that Ben has led such a
> > successful life.
>
> > You can't hack that can you ,  and all because he stated he had
> > enjoyed his time with Est.
>
> If someone implies a liking for rosenbergism, they get some questions
> to answer. If they don't answer we stand on the sidelines and laugh at
> the dodging of the questions...

You can laugh all you want Muse, in fact it may be good for your
health
and help to dissolve the block of bitterness you seem to carry around
with you.

By the way Muse does " We" stand for Serena Nordstrup and the
androgynous Pau????


Sleep well my Muse.


cheers

[Serena Nordstrup]

... and you believe your ~chosen~ ~interpretation~ of his every
~word~? -- Anyway: back to the former question:  How full a ~life~ in

your estimation, does Ben have?

> Boy you must hate success with a vengeance.

I fail to follow the logic of your "must" there, Bruno. Would you like
to:

1. explain the relevance of your conclusion?
2. Demonstrate the steps by which you reached said conclusion?

> > > > > > > Happy New Year my wonderful Muse.
>
> > > > > > Thank you. I hope you have a more enlightened year, whenever it may
> > > > > > start...
>
> > > > > > > I hope yours was more exciting than mine.
> > > > > > > I was stuck in a wee country town called Gembrook
>
> > > > > > You ~ chose~ not to unstick yourself from Gembrook... What can I say?
> > > > > > Something about blaming the ~victim~?
>
> > > > > Just a mere play on words my Muse.
>
> > > > ... and therefore we shouldn't take it seriously...
>
> > > > Do we conclude that any rosenbergist use of ~stuck~ - as a "mere play
> > > > on words" - has no value?
>
> > > What do you think!!!!!!!!
> > > I'l be guided my your comments
>
> > Might as well ~try~. <Adding ~stuck~ to examples of rosenbergist
> > inexplicable idiocy.>
>
> Okay, fine.
> Lets place a period.

No point in getting ~stuck~ about ~stuckness~ when we've so much else
to decry and belabel...

OK: What connection do you make between the Subjective and
~experience~ in Caligari/Nietzsche?

Got a counter on your website where one can work out what does and
what does not trigger a hit on your refusals to risk ~making yourself
wrong~?

> Forum brought that message home to me.
> I suppose that what you don't like to hear that most people that
> participated in
> ESt/ Forum  got something out of it.

Suppose away. Suppositions about my likes and dislikes have zilch do
do with discussing rosenbergism.

> Can't handle the truthh?????

I'll worry about when you provide solid evidence of what numbers got
what out of rosenbergism.

[Serena Nordstrup]

Know what exactly? I've received mixed messages here...

> > > > Whenever I quote so-called ~werner~ so-called ~erhard~ it counts as
> > > > an  agreement party too?
>
> > > > > > And when Anthony Robbins's publishers call his book "Unlimited Power"
> > > > > > they don't market it to the successful or to those who will become
> > > > > > successful?
>
> > > > > Go ask their Marketing department who their target audience is and you
> > > > > will get your answer.
>
> > > > Really?
>
> > > > You don't have an ~opinion~ yourself on the attraction of "unlimited
> > > > power" for the would-be successful?
>
> > > No. Not interested.
>
> > Even though "people that don't have opinions, makes a totally boring
> > encounter" and  "If one is spineless not to have an opinion or
> > position, it does make
> > for boring conversation" ?
>
> You must be a lawyer with all these word games you wish to play.

Some people might call it ~holding you to your word~, Bruno...

> If I believed in past lives I can just see you as the Grand Inquisitor
> tormenting ordinary good folks because they did not tow the religious
> line
> of the day.
> I think you get off tormenting people???????
>
> Is this correct???
> Yes  or No will do!!!!

Only the deserving thick and deluded.

> > > > > > > > > > > and don't you agree that Ben has been very successful in life
> > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > all the fields he has encountered.
>
> > > > > > > > > > I have no ~opinion~ on Ben's alleged success. I know of Ben only from
> > > > > > > > > > his posts.
>
> > > > > > > > > Good.
> > > > > > > > > It seems to don't have any opinions about anything.
>
> > > > > > > > Would that make me a non-ranter?
>
> > > > > > Would that make me a non-ranter, Bruno?
>
> > > > > Possibly  when you don't open your mouth.
> > > > > Unfortunately you find that hard to do!!!!!
>
> > > > So -- you define "ranters" as "people who open their mouths" ?
>
> > > People such as yourself could be classed as role model yes.

Any other characteristics required apart from the audacity to open
one's mouth ?

I have some questions. Do you have answers? or just ad hominem
evasions?

Possible alternative explanations spring to mind...

> I'm glad you have seen the light that you got thr wrong end of the
> stick!!!!!
>
>
>
> > > and I am glad you have finally come around
> > > to at least acknowledge perception .
>
> > > Did I not say Perception comes before logic.
>
> > I believe you did. So we work backwards from the real world to the
> > perception of  -- I dunno -- something like Platonick forms?
>
> Not my world Muse but maybe yours since you abode in the heavens

You made all that up. Show the evidence.

> > > Our differences are in our perception of some of these  issues.
>
> >  You just need to account for you perception and the complications of
> > the multiverse will just wither away? When do you start?
>
> No need to account anything Muse, I am more than content with
> my perceived world.
> It seems to me that you are bitter about yours.

If you and I live in separate worlds, can we regard ~communication~
between those worlds as a ~possibility~?

> > > Pretty simple really.
>
> > > Don't know why you are so hard on not acknowledging the value of
> > > Ben's experiences though?
>
> > > Its all in his posts.
>
> > And I have nothing else to go on. Flimsy, first-person stuff.
>
> It all has to start somewhere.

Bad place to start.

> > > Pity you can't see the relevance and the fact that Ben has led such a
> > > successful life.
>
> > > You can't hack that can you ,  and all because he stated he had
> > > enjoyed his time with Est.
>
> > If someone implies a liking for rosenbergism, they get some questions
> > to answer. If they don't answer we stand on the sidelines and laugh at
> > the dodging of the questions...
>
> You can laugh all you want Muse, in fact it may be good for your
> health
> and help to dissolve the block of bitterness you seem to carry around
> with you.

How big a block? Does it show on x-rays?

> By the way Muse  does " We"  stand for  Serena Nordstrup and  the
> androgynous Pau????

I know no androgynous Pau.

[tubby]

Yes I do Muse. Period.

Why do you have any reason to doubt what Ben has stated????

Anyway: back to the former question:   How full a ~life~ in
> your estimation, does Ben have?

Bullshit question Muse.

>
> > Boy you must hate success with a vengeance.
>
> I fail to follow the logic of your "must" there, Bruno. Would you like
> to:
>
> 1. explain the relevance of your conclusion?
> 2. Demonstrate the steps by which you reached said conclusion?

No. However you must envy hate Ben's success otherwise you would not
carry on like a pork chop!!!!!

Can't handle a different reality Muse. Is it so different in the
heavens??????

[tubby]

Good.

Now you can unmix them Muse in the heavens with your buddies and Pau>

Okay.

Well that' s why you are a Muse and I am a mere mortal.
By the way what kind of thrill do you get??
Similar to an orgasm maybe????

>
> > > > > > > > > > > > and don't you agree that Ben has been very successful in life
> > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > all the fields he has encountered.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > I have no ~opinion~ on Ben's alleged success. I know of Ben only from
> > > > > > > > > > > his posts.
>
> > > > > > > > > > Good.
> > > > > > > > > > It seems to don't have any opinions about anything.
>
> > > > > > > > > Would that make me a non-ranter?
>
> > > > > > > Would that make me a non-ranter, Bruno?
>
> > > > > > Possibly  when you don't open your mouth.
> > > > > > Unfortunately you find that hard to do!!!!!
>
> > > > > So -- you define "ranters" as "people who open their mouths" ?
>
> > > > People such as yourself could be classed as role model yes.
>
> Any other characteristics required apart from the audacity to open
> one's mouth ?

Not in your case Muse, its all in the Mouth!!!!!!

No I don't have any answers for you Muse period.

Good go find them and discuss them with Pau.

>
> > I'm glad you have seen the light that you got thr wrong end of the
> > stick!!!!!
>
> > > > and I am glad you have finally come around
> > > > to at least acknowledge perception .
>
> > > > Did I not say Perception comes before logic.
>
> > > I believe you did. So we work backwards from the real world to the
> > > perception of  -- I dunno -- something like Platonick forms?
>
> > Not my world Muse but maybe yours since you abode in the heavens
>
> You made all that up. Show the evidence.
>
> > > > Our differences are in our perception of some of these  issues.
>
> > >  You just need to account for you perception and the complications of
> > > the multiverse will just wither away? When do you start?
>
> > No need to account anything Muse, I am more than content with
> > my perceived world.
> > It seems to me that you are bitter about yours.
>
> If you and I live in separate worlds, can we regard ~communication~
> between those worlds as a ~possibility~?

No.

>
> > > > Pretty simple really.
>
> > > > Don't know why you are so hard on not acknowledging the value of
> > > > Ben's experiences though?
>
> > > > Its all in his posts.
>
> > > And I have nothing else to go on. Flimsy, first-person stuff.
>
> > It all has to start somewhere.
>
> Bad place to start.

According to who???/ You and Pau?????

>
> > > > Pity you can't see the relevance and the fact that Ben has led such a
> > > > successful life.
>
> > > > You can't hack that can you ,  and all because he stated he had
> > > > enjoyed his time with Est.
>
> > > If someone implies a liking for rosenbergism, they get some questions
> > > to answer. If they don't answer we stand on the sidelines and laugh at
> > > the dodging of the questions...
>
> > You can laugh all you want Muse, in fact it may be good for your
> > health
> > and help to dissolve the block of bitterness you seem to carry around
> > with you.
>
> How big a block? Does it show on x-rays?

No too primitive equipment Muse.
It may show up in a cat scan though??????

>
> > By the way Muse  does " We"  stand for  Serena Nordstrup and  the
> > androgynous Pau????
>

> I know no androgynous Pau.'

That's a fib Muse.
How about Pau??????

> Sleep well my Muse.
>
> > cheers
>
> > > > Boy you certainly are carrying some monkeys on your back!!!!!
>
> > > I call them Prunella and Stig.

Good , they say your perception and health falters when you have
monkeys on your back Muse.
As the Forum leader may say a little bit of honesty goes a long
way!!!!

> > > As Pattie says "" Put out your hands and feel the love""""> > Regards from
> > > > > > Your boyfriend Down South.
>
> > > > > > It was 40+ degrees yesterday and today we had a cool change much to
> > > > > > our relief.

I see you are not interested in the weather now??????


More heatwaves coming on and dreaded fires may follow.

Cheers

[Serena Nordstrup]

Ah -- this sounds like a matter of belief rather than a matter of
providing evidence. Thus the question becomes: what provides the basis
for your stated belief in your ~chosen~ ~interpretation~ of Ben's
every ~word~?

> Why do you have any reason to doubt what Ben has stated????

I don't trust everything I read on the interwebs, Bruno. Strange, huh?

> Anyway: back to the former question:   How full a ~life~ in
>
> > your estimation, does Ben have?
>
> Bullshit question Muse.

Whatever -- I'll give you another chance to answer the question
without dodging or prevarication: How full a ~life~ in your
estimation, does Ben have?

> > > Boy you must hate success with a vengeance.
>
> > I fail to follow the logic of your "must" there, Bruno. Would you like
> > to:
>
> > 1. explain the relevance of your conclusion?
> > 2. Demonstrate the steps by which you reached said conclusion?
>
> No.

Chalk it up: another Brunotick claim rejected for lack of evidence.

> However you must envy hate Ben's success otherwise you would not
> carry on like a pork chop!!!!!

QED?

Still waiting for the solid evidence of what numbers got what out of
rosenbergism...

<snip>

[Serena Nordstrup]

Easier to ratchet up the distrust of all claims filtered though
Brunotick rosenbergism...

Non sequitur.

> By the way what kind of thrill do you get??
> Similar to an orgasm maybe????

A ripple of vague amusement and a vague glow in the presence of
consistency. Why do you ask?

> > > > > > > > > > > > > and don't you agree that Ben has been very successful in life
> > > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > all the fields he has encountered.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > I have no ~opinion~ on Ben's alleged success. I know of Ben only from
> > > > > > > > > > > > his posts.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > Good.
> > > > > > > > > > > It seems to don't have any opinions about anything.
>
> > > > > > > > > > Would that make me a non-ranter?
>
> > > > > > > > Would that make me a non-ranter, Bruno?
>
> > > > > > > Possibly  when you don't open your mouth.
> > > > > > > Unfortunately you find that hard to do!!!!!
>
> > > > > > So -- you define "ranters" as "people who open their mouths" ?
>
> > > > > People such as yourself could be classed as role model yes.
>
> > Any other characteristics required apart from the audacity to open
> > one's mouth ?
>
> Not in your case Muse, its all in the Mouth!!!!!!

I can accept that (somehow) you acquired at birth or thereabouts an
innate ability to treat Serena Nordstrup differently from any other
entity. But setting that aside, can you point to any other
characteristics which "ranters" have apart from the audacity to open
their mouths?

So I can refute any of your claims (including the claim that you have
no answers for me) simply by asking a question and waiting for the non-
answer?

> > > > > > > > > > > What!!!!!!!!!
> > > > > > > > > > > They are bored shirtless with this conversation and up to date have
> > > > > > > > > > > ignored it.
>
> > > > > > > > > > Oh, really?
>
> > > > > > > > Oh, really?
>
> > > > > > Oh, really?
>
> > > > Oh, really? And you have proof positive of this?
>
> > And you have proof positive of this?

And you have proof positive of this, Bruno?

> > > > > > > > > > > Why don't you get your pal Pau to join the conversation ?????
>
> > > > > > > > > > When I "do" rosenbergism and acquire personal ~power~ I may learn the
> > > > > > > > > > skills to ~get~ Pau to do what you want. In the meantime you can
> > > > > > > > > > ~choose~ to answer questions from me.
>
> > > > > > > > > No need to Muse.
>
> > > > > > > > I agree that nobody has any need to "do" rosenbergism.
>
> > > > > > > > > Its all there in the postings. Your blind spot and
> > > > > > > > > prejudice seems to
> > > > > > > > > be getting in the way of deciphering what I have posted.
>
> > > > > > > > Help me define and learn the limits of my "blind spot" then.
>
> > > > > > > Sorry I can't.
> > > > > > > I have tried but it seems that my observations, comments just don't
> > > > > > > have the logic or the  persuasive power  to bring you out of your
> > > > > > > shell.
>
> > > > > > You find it easier to cast aspersions than to solve perceived issues?>                                                              I do wish you a wonderful logical exciting New Year
>
> > > > > Not at all Muse.
> > > > > Its all in the perception
>
> > > > But I thought "it was all" a matter of ~relationships~.... How did I
> > > > get the wrong end of the stick here, Bruno?
>
> > > Buggered if I know Muse.
>
> > Possible alternative explanations spring to mind...
>
> Good go find them and discuss them with Pau.

At the risk of your getting buggered, perhaps someone offered me the
wrong end of the stick ...

> > > I'm glad you have seen the light that you got thr wrong end of the
> > > stick!!!!!
>
> > > > > and I am glad you have finally come around
> > > > > to at least acknowledge perception .
>
> > > > > Did I not say Perception comes before logic.
>
> > > > I believe you did. So we work backwards from the real world to the
> > > > perception of  -- I dunno -- something like Platonick forms?
>
> > > Not my world Muse but maybe yours since you abode in the heavens
>
> > You made all that up. Show the evidence.

Show your evidence, Bruno, or withdraw your assertion that I "abode in
the heavens".

> > > > > Our differences are in our perception of some of these  issues.
>
> > > >  You just need to account for you perception and the complications of
> > > > the multiverse will just wither away? When do you start?
>
> > > No need to account anything Muse, I am more than content with
> > > my perceived world.
> > > It seems to me that you are bitter about yours.
>
> > If you and I live in separate worlds, can we regard ~communication~
> > between those worlds as a ~possibility~?
>
> No.

Making rosenbergism ~wrong~ now, huh? ... and after all that
~training~ in ~communication~ and in ~possibility~ ...

> > > > > Pretty simple really.
>
> > > > > Don't know why you are so hard on not acknowledging the value of
> > > > > Ben's experiences though?
>
> > > > > Its all in his posts.
>
> > > > And I have nothing else to go on. Flimsy, first-person stuff.
>
> > > It all has to start somewhere.
>
> > Bad place to start.
>
> According to who???/  You and Pau?????

According to normal procedures of evidence.

> > > > > Pity you can't see the relevance and the fact that Ben has led such a
> > > > > successful life.
>
> > > > > You can't hack that can you ,  and all because he stated he had
> > > > > enjoyed his time with Est.
>
> > > > If someone implies a liking for rosenbergism, they get some questions
> > > > to answer. If they don't answer we stand on the sidelines and laugh at
> > > > the dodging of the questions...
>
> > > You can laugh all you want Muse, in fact it may be good for your
> > > health
> > > and help to dissolve the block of bitterness you seem to carry around
> > > with you.
>
> > How big a block? Does it show on x-rays?
>
> No too primitive equipment Muse.

Not such a big block, then...

> It may show up in a cat scan though??????

Where should I look when I next get a CAT-scan?

> > > By the way Muse  does " We"  stand for  Serena Nordstrup and  the
> > > androgynous Pau????
>
> > I know no androgynous Pau.'
>
> That's a fib Muse.

You know what I know better than I know what I know?

> How about Pau??????

What about Pau?

> > Sleep well my Muse.
>
> > > cheers
>
> > > > > Boy you certainly are carrying some monkeys on your back!!!!!
>
> > > > I call them Prunella and Stig.
>
> Good , they say your perception and health falters when you have
> monkeys on your back Muse.

Extra weight and distraction, huh?

> As the Forum leader may  say a little bit of honesty goes a long
> way!!!!

That could explain why, in my estimation, rosenbergists (Kool-Aid
drinkers) talk more readily about honesty than demonstrate it...

> > > > As Pattie says "" Put out your hands and feel the love""""> > Regards from
> > > > > > > Your boyfriend Down South.
>
> > > > > > > It was 40+ degrees yesterday and today we had a cool change much to
> > > > > > > our relief.
>
> I see you are not interested in the weather now??????

On the contrary -- 24 hours a day.

> More heatwaves coming on and dreaded fires may follow.

Norfolk Island may make a good bolthole. Or Macquarie Island.

> Cheers

[tubby]

Of-course its my belief that what Ben has posted is true period.
I thought that was a given!!!!!!

>
> > Why do you have any reason to doubt what Ben has stated????
>
> I don't trust everything I read on the interwebs, Bruno. Strange, huh?

Bully for you.
There is the difference. I trust Bens postings.
I don't bullshit and I don't expect others
to do so. I do live in a world that gives people the benefit of the
doubt
and when proven wrong I bear the consequences.

>
> > Anyway: back to the former question:   How full a ~life~ in
>
> > > your estimation, does Ben have?
>
> > Bullshit question Muse.
>
> Whatever -- I'll give you another chance to answer the question
> without dodging or prevarication: How full a ~life~ in your
> estimation, does Ben have?

Bullshit question. Next.

>
> > > > Boy you must hate success with a vengeance.
>
> > > I fail to follow the logic of your "must" there, Bruno. Would you like
> > > to:
>
> > > 1. explain the relevance of your conclusion?
> > > 2. Demonstrate the steps by which you reached said conclusion?
>
> > No.
>
> Chalk it up: another Brunotick claim rejected for lack of evidence.

Fine with me.

>
> > However you must envy hate Ben's success otherwise you would not
> > carry on like a pork chop!!!!!
>
> QED?

I'll repeat it.

" However you must envy hate Ben's success otherwise you would not
> > carry on like a pork chop!!!!! ""


>

I repeat " Can't handle the truthh?????"

>
> > > I'll worry about when  you provide solid evidence of what numbers got
> > > what out of rosenbergism.> > > >
>
> > Can't handle a different reality Muse. Is it so different in the
> > heavens??????
>
> Still waiting for the solid evidence of what numbers got what out of
> rosenbergism...

Well there is Me, Tex, Ben

How does that grab you!!!!!

Must rush of to the airport to meet my bride. Haven't seen her for a
week
so I have the hots for her.
Absence makes the heart grow fonder.

cheers
>
>  <snip>

[Serena Nordstrup]

And I thought it worth checking that you didn't have a more
substantial basis for your statements, other than mere belief. You've
convinced me that you rely on belief in this instance. Hence my
question, which I repeat for you benefit: what provides the basis for
your stated belief in your chosen~ ~interpretation~ of Ben's every
~word~?

> > > Why do you have any reason to doubt what Ben has stated????
>
> > I don't trust everything I read on the interwebs, Bruno. Strange, huh?
>
> Bully for you.
> There is the difference. I trust Bens postings.
>  I don't bullshit

Really? Despite evidence to the contrary?

> and I don't expect others
> to do so.

Sounds risky!

> I do live in a world that gives people the benefit of the
> doubt and when proven wrong I bear the consequences.

Oh. Does the world do a deal with you to the effect that it gives
people the benefit of the doubt? Does it publish a set of rules
stating inter alia that people get the benefit of the doubt?

> > > Anyway: back to the former question:   How full a ~life~ in
>
> > > > your estimation, does Ben have?
>
> > > Bullshit question Muse.
>
> > Whatever -- I'll give you another chance to answer the question
> > without dodging or prevarication: How full a ~life~ in your
> > estimation, does Ben have?
>
> Bullshit question. Next.

Why, thank you. My next question asks: How do you assess the degree of
fullness allegedly detectable in Ben's ~life~?

> > > > > Boy you must hate success with a vengeance.
>
> > > > I fail to follow the logic of your "must" there, Bruno. Would you like
> > > > to:
>
> > > > 1. explain the relevance of your conclusion?
> > > > 2. Demonstrate the steps by which you reached said conclusion?
>
> > > No.
>
> > Chalk it up: another Brunotick claim rejected for lack of evidence.
>
> Fine with me.

In other words, you bullshitted. (Unless you care to provide
evidence...)

> > > However you must envy hate Ben's success otherwise you would not
> > > carry on like a pork chop!!!!!
>
> > QED?
>
> I'll repeat it.
> " However you must envy hate Ben's success otherwise you would not
>
> > > carry on like a pork chop!!!!!  ""

Following what model?

And by the way, what connection do you make between the Subjective and

~experience~ in Caligari/Nietzsche?

> > > > Got a counter on your website where one can work out what does and
> > > > what does not trigger a hit on your refusals to risk ~making yourself
> > > > wrong~?

Uh, you didn't answer the question, Bruno: Have you got a counter on

your website where one can work out what does and what does not
trigger a hit on your refusals to risk ~making yourself wrong~?

> > > > > Forum brought that message home to me.
> > > > > I suppose that what you don't like to hear that most people that
> > > > > participated in
> > > > > ESt/ Forum  got something out of it.
>
> > > > Suppose away. Suppositions about my likes and dislikes have zilch do
> > > > do with discussing rosenbergism.
>
> > > > > Can't handle the truthh?????
>
> I repeat   " Can't handle the truthh?????"

I repeat: I'll worry about truth-handling when  you provide solid

evidence of what numbers got what out of rosenbergism.

> > > > I'll worry about when  you provide solid evidence of what numbers got
> > > > what out of rosenbergism.> > > >
>
> > > Can't handle a different reality Muse. Is it so different in the
> > > heavens??????
>
> > Still waiting for the solid evidence of what numbers got what out of
> > rosenbergism...
>
> Well  there is Me, Tex, Ben
>
> How does that grab you!!!!!

3 cases out of thousands -- not necessarily representative. You missed
out Caligari and Pat, I see. And you missed out the solid evidence...
Why?

[tubby]

Go back to the heavens Muse. This unpredictable world we live in
was not meant for you period.

>
> > > > Why do you have any reason to doubt what Ben has stated????
>
> > > I don't trust everything I read on the interwebs, Bruno. Strange, huh?
>
> > Bully for you.
> > There is the difference. I trust Bens postings.
> >  I don't bullshit
>
> Really? Despite evidence to the contrary?

Whatever.

>
> > and I don't expect others
> > to do so.
>
> Sounds risky!

So what.

>
> > I do live in a world that gives people the benefit of the
> > doubt and when proven wrong I bear the consequences.
>
> Oh. Does the world do a deal with you to the effect that it gives
> people the benefit of the doubt? Does it publish a set of rules
> stating inter alia  that people get the benefit of the doubt?

Whatever Muse

>
> > > > Anyway: back to the former question:   How full a ~life~ in
>
> > > > > your estimation, does Ben have?
>
> > > > Bullshit question Muse.
>
> > > Whatever -- I'll give you another chance to answer the question
> > > without dodging or prevarication: How full a ~life~ in your
> > > estimation, does Ben have?
>
> > Bullshit question. Next.
>
> Why, thank you. My next question asks: How do you assess the degree of
> fullness allegedly detectable in Ben's ~life~?

Bullshit question Muse.
Getting closer to the drinks now.

>
> > > > > > Boy you must hate success with a vengeance.
>
> > > > > I fail to follow the logic of your "must" there, Bruno. Would you like
> > > > > to:
>
> > > > > 1. explain the relevance of your conclusion?
> > > > > 2. Demonstrate the steps by which you reached said conclusion?
>
> > > > No.
>
> > > Chalk it up: another Brunotick claim rejected for lack of evidence.
>
> > Fine with me.
>
> In other words, you bullshitted. (Unless you care to provide
> evidence...)

Not at all, I'm just over discussing this with you period.

>
> > > > However you must envy hate Ben's success otherwise you would not
> > > > carry on like a pork chop!!!!!
>
> > > QED?
>
> > I'll repeat it.
> > " However you must envy hate Ben's success otherwise you would not
>
> > > > carry on like a pork chop!!!!!  ""
>
> Following what model?

The Serena Nordstrop model.

I'm happy with the result Muse. Tex and Ben are fine people.
Good enough for me.

cheers

Don't forget to close the light.
Its over.

[Serena Nordstrup]

All these years we've discussed things, and now you suddenly don't
want to talk to me about important matters like ~interpretation~ -- or
even about trivial nuisances like beliefs...

I'll ~try~ again: what provides the basis for your stated belief in

your chosen~ ~interpretation~ of Ben's every ~word~?

> > > > > Why do you have any reason to doubt what Ben has stated????
>
> > > > I don't trust everything I read on the interwebs, Bruno. Strange, huh?
>
> > > Bully for you.
> > > There is the difference. I trust Bens postings.
> > >  I don't bullshit
>
> > Really? Despite evidence to the contrary?
>
> Whatever.
>
>
>
> > > and I don't expect others
> > > to do so.
>
> > Sounds risky!
>
> So what.

Someone might deceive you -- even lure you into a brainwashing cult...

> > > I do live in a world that gives people the benefit of the
> > > doubt and when proven wrong I bear the consequences.
>
> > Oh. Does the world do a deal with you to the effect that it gives
> > people the benefit of the doubt? Does it publish a set of rules
> > stating inter alia  that people get the benefit of the doubt?
>
> Whatever Muse

OK, let's work on the basis that you do NOT live in a world that
gives people the benefit of the doubt.

But then you will have bullshitted.

Albeit inadvertently, no doubt...

> > > > > Anyway: back to the former question:   How full a ~life~ in
>
> > > > > > your estimation, does Ben have?
>
> > > > > Bullshit question Muse.
>
> > > > Whatever -- I'll give you another chance to answer the question
> > > > without dodging or prevarication: How full a ~life~ in your
> > > > estimation, does Ben have?
>
> > > Bullshit question. Next.
>
> > Why, thank you. My next question asks: How do you assess the degree of
> > fullness allegedly detectable in Ben's ~life~?
>
> Bullshit question Muse.
> Getting closer to the drinks now.

Getting closer to the point where you cannot or will not assess the
degree of fullness allegedly detectable in Ben's ~life~.

So in claiming a full life for Ben, then not substantiating your
claim, you bullshitted? -- Careless of you, Bruno!

> > > > > > > Boy you must hate success with a vengeance.
>
> > > > > > I fail to follow the logic of your "must" there, Bruno. Would you like
> > > > > > to:
>
> > > > > > 1. explain the relevance of your conclusion?
> > > > > > 2. Demonstrate the steps by which you reached said conclusion?
>
> > > > > No.
>
> > > > Chalk it up: another Brunotick claim rejected for lack of evidence.
>
> > > Fine with me.
>
> > In other words, you bullshitted. (Unless you care to provide
> > evidence...)
>
> Not at all, I'm just over discussing this with you period.

We've established the matter then: you bullshitted.

> > > > > However you must envy hate Ben's success otherwise you would not
> > > > > carry on like a pork chop!!!!!
>
> > > > QED?
>
> > > I'll repeat it.
> > > " However you must envy hate Ben's success otherwise you would not
>
> > > > > carry on like a pork chop!!!!!  ""
>
> > Following what model?
>
> The Serena Nordstrop model.

I don't know that one. Does this Nordstrop person publish a diagram or
a flow-chart?

And further, what connection do you make between the Subjective and
~experience~ in Caligari/Nietzsche?

Or did you bullshit about that too?

> > > > > > Got a counter on your website where one can work out what does and
> > > > > > what does not trigger a hit on your refusals to risk ~making yourself
> > > > > > wrong~?
>
> > Uh, you didn't answer the question, Bruno: Have you got a counter on
> > your website where one can work out what does and what does not
> > trigger a hit on your refusals to risk ~making yourself wrong~?

You didn't answer the question, Bruno: Have you got a counter on your

website where one can work out what does and what does not trigger a
hit on your refusals to risk ~making yourself wrong~?

> > > > > > > Forum brought that message home to me.
> > > > > > > I suppose that what you don't like to hear that most people that
> > > > > > > participated in
> > > > > > > ESt/ Forum  got something out of it.
>
> > > > > > Suppose away. Suppositions about my likes and dislikes have zilch do
> > > > > > do with discussing rosenbergism.
>
> > > > > > > Can't handle the truthh?????
>
> > > I repeat   " Can't handle the truthh?????"
>
> > I repeat: I'll worry about truth-handling when  you provide solid
> > evidence of what numbers got what out of rosenbergism.
>
> > > > > > I'll worry about when  you provide solid evidence of what numbers got
> > > > > > what out of rosenbergism.> > > >
>
> > > > > Can't handle a different reality Muse. Is it so different in the
> > > > > heavens??????
>
> > > > Still waiting for the solid evidence of what numbers got what out of
> > > > rosenbergism...
>
> > > Well  there is Me, Tex, Ben
>
> > > How does that grab you!!!!!
>
> > 3 cases out of thousands -- not necessarily representative. You missed
> > out Caligari and Pat, I see. And you missed out the solid evidence...
> > Why?
>
> I'm happy with the result Muse.

We don't have a result yet...

> Tex and Ben are fine people.

Because why? And what does fineness in people have to do with working
out the solid evidence of what numbers got what out of rosenbergism ?

> Good enough for me.
>
> cheers
>
> Don't forget to close the light.
> Its over.

So you say. And you never bullshit, do you?

[tubby]

Correct two can play the same game!

>
> I'll ~try~ again: what provides the basis for your stated belief in
> your chosen~ ~interpretation~ of Ben's every ~word~?
>
> > > > > > Why do you have any reason to doubt what Ben has stated????
>
> > > > > I don't trust everything I read on the interwebs, Bruno. Strange, huh?
>
> > > > Bully for you.
> > > > There is the difference. I trust Bens postings.
> > > >  I don't bullshit
>
> > > Really? Despite evidence to the contrary?
>
> > Whatever.
>
> > > > and I don't expect others
> > > > to do so.
>
> > > Sounds risky!
>
> > So what.
>
> Someone might deceive you -- even lure you into a brainwashing cult...

Do you mean Serena Nordstrup's brainwashing Cult?????
No way.
Too wooden for me and not much fun.

>
> > > > I do live in a world that gives people the benefit of the
> > > > doubt and when proven wrong I bear the consequences.
>
> > > Oh. Does the world do a deal with you to the effect that it gives
> > > people the benefit of the doubt? Does it publish a set of rules
> > > stating inter alia  that people get the benefit of the doubt?
>
> > Whatever Muse
>
>  OK, let's work on the basis that you do NOT live in a world that
> gives people the benefit of the doubt.

That must be your world Muse. Not interested.

>
> But then you will have bullshitted.
>
> Albeit inadvertently, no doubt...
>
> > > > > > Anyway: back to the former question:   How full a ~life~ in
>
> > > > > > > your estimation, does Ben have?
>
> > > > > > Bullshit question Muse.
>
> > > > > Whatever -- I'll give you another chance to answer the question
> > > > > without dodging or prevarication: How full a ~life~ in your
> > > > > estimation, does Ben have?
>
> > > > Bullshit question. Next.
>
> > > Why, thank you. My next question asks: How do you assess the degree of
> > > fullness allegedly detectable in Ben's ~life~?
>
> > Bullshit question Muse.
> > Getting closer to the drinks now.
>
> Getting closer to the point where you cannot or will not assess the
> degree of fullness allegedly detectable in Ben's ~life~.
>
> So in claiming a full life for Ben, then not substantiating your
> claim, you bullshitted? -- Careless of you, Bruno!

Not at all Muse you failed to read Ben's postings.
Its your blind spot not mine.

>
> > > > > > > > Boy you must hate success with a vengeance.
>
> > > > > > > I fail to follow the logic of your "must" there, Bruno. Would you like
> > > > > > > to:
>
> > > > > > > 1. explain the relevance of your conclusion?
> > > > > > > 2. Demonstrate the steps by which you reached said conclusion?
>
> > > > > > No.
>
> > > > > Chalk it up: another Brunotick claim rejected for lack of evidence.
>
> > > > Fine with me.
>
> > > In other words, you bullshitted. (Unless you care to provide
> > > evidence...)
>
> > Not at all, I'm just over discussing this with you period.
>
> We've established the matter then: you bullshitted.

Not at all Muse.
Read the postings.

>
> > > > > > However you must envy hate Ben's success otherwise you would not
> > > > > > carry on like a pork chop!!!!!
>
> > > > > QED?
>
> > > > I'll repeat it.
> > > > " However you must envy hate Ben's success otherwise you would not
>
> > > > > > carry on like a pork chop!!!!!  ""
>
> > > Following what model?
>
> > The Serena Nordstrop model.
>
> I don't know that one. Does this Nordstrop person publish a diagram or
> a flow-chart?

You can ask her next time you are in the heavens. She purports to be a
Muse
and has an androgynous friend called Pau.

No of course not Muse. It was your bullshit question that takes the
cake.

No I don't.
You just like to taunt with bullshit questions Muse.
And that" s fine if that gives you a thrill.????

Keep asking the bullshit and you will get bullshit back.

Good night dear Muse.
Sleep well , the heavens are bound to bring you peace.

Cheers

Pattie has asked me to stop the discussion otherwise he will throw
rocks at me.
I hope you also respect Patties views.
cheers

[Serena Nordstrup]

In "Getting Saved from the Sixties: Moral Meaning in Conversion and
Cultural Change", Steven M. Tipton states that "est proposes that life
is a game" (page 245, http://books.google.com.au/books?id=o61xbx1sfCwC
) Have you renounced rosenbergism, Bruno, now that you no longer want
to play the ~game~?

> > I'll ~try~ again: what provides the basis for your stated belief in
> > your chosen~ ~interpretation~ of Ben's every ~word~?
>
> > > > > > > Why do you have any reason to doubt what Ben has stated????
>
> > > > > > I don't trust everything I read on the interwebs, Bruno. Strange, huh?
>
> > > > > Bully for you.
> > > > > There is the difference. I trust Bens postings.
> > > > >  I don't bullshit
>
> > > > Really? Despite evidence to the contrary?
>
> > > Whatever.
>
> > > > > and I don't expect others
> > > > > to do so.
>
> > > > Sounds risky!
>
> > > So what.
>
> > Someone might deceive you -- even lure you into a brainwashing cult...
>
> Do you mean Serena Nordstrup's brainwashing Cult?????

No. I wrote indefinitely: "a brainwashing cult"...

> No way.
> Too wooden for me and not much fun.

You have evidence? Or do you just bullshit compulsively and then claim
that you don't bullshit?

> > > > > I do live in a world that gives people the benefit of the
> > > > > doubt and when proven wrong I bear the consequences.
>
> > > > Oh. Does the world do a deal with you to the effect that it gives
> > > > people the benefit of the doubt? Does it publish a set of rules
> > > > stating inter alia  that people get the benefit of the doubt?
>
> > > Whatever Muse
>
> >  OK, let's work on the basis that you do NOT live in a world that
> > gives people the benefit of the doubt.
>
> That must be your world Muse.

Non seqitur.

> Not interested.
>
>
>
> > But then you will have bullshitted.
>
> > Albeit inadvertently, no doubt...
>
> > > > > > > Anyway: back to the former question:   How full a ~life~ in
>
> > > > > > > > your estimation, does Ben have?
>
> > > > > > > Bullshit question Muse.
>
> > > > > > Whatever -- I'll give you another chance to answer the question
> > > > > > without dodging or prevarication: How full a ~life~ in your
> > > > > > estimation, does Ben have?
>
> > > > > Bullshit question. Next.
>
> > > > Why, thank you. My next question asks: How do you assess the degree of
> > > > fullness allegedly detectable in Ben's ~life~?
>
> > > Bullshit question Muse.
> > > Getting closer to the drinks now.
>
> > Getting closer to the point where you cannot or will not assess the
> > degree of fullness allegedly detectable in Ben's ~life~.
>
> > So in claiming a full life for Ben, then not substantiating your
> > claim, you bullshitted? -- Careless of you, Bruno!
>
> Not at all Muse you failed to read Ben's postings.
> Its your blind spot not mine.

Did Ben, for example, include links to his military service record?

> > > > > > > > > Boy you must hate success with a vengeance.
>
> > > > > > > > I fail to follow the logic of your "must" there, Bruno. Would you like
> > > > > > > > to:
>
> > > > > > > > 1. explain the relevance of your conclusion?
> > > > > > > > 2. Demonstrate the steps by which you reached said conclusion?
>
> > > > > > > No.
>
> > > > > > Chalk it up: another Brunotick claim rejected for lack of evidence.
>
> > > > > Fine with me.
>
> > > > In other words, you bullshitted. (Unless you care to provide
> > > > evidence...)
>
> > > Not at all, I'm just over discussing this with you period.
>
> > We've established the matter then: you bullshitted.
>
> Not at all Muse.
> Read the postings.

No evidence. Not even when ~requested~... Provisionally classified as
bullshit.

> > > > > > > However you must envy hate Ben's success otherwise you would not
> > > > > > > carry on like a pork chop!!!!!
>
> > > > > > QED?
>
> > > > > I'll repeat it.
> > > > > " However you must envy hate Ben's success otherwise you would not
>
> > > > > > > carry on like a pork chop!!!!!  ""
>
> > > > Following what model?
>
> > > The Serena Nordstrop model.
>
> > I don't know that one. Does this Nordstrop person publish a diagram or
> > a flow-chart?
>
> You can ask her next time you are in the heavens. She purports to be a
> Muse
> and has an androgynous friend called Pau.

I asked you -- since you invented/referenced the "Nordstrop" model.
(Weird name, by the by.) So: Does this Nordstrop person publish a
diagram or a flow-chart?

Ah. Then you can tell me what connection you made between the

Subjective and ~experience~ in Caligari/Nietzsche?

What does fineness in people have to do with working out the solid
evidence of what numbers got what out of rosenbergism, Bruno ?

> > > Good enough for me.
>
> > > cheers
>
> > > Don't forget to close the light.
> > > Its over.
>
> > So you say. And you never bullshit, do you?
>
> No I don't.
> You just like to taunt with bullshit questions Muse.
> And that" s fine if  that gives you a thrill.????
>
>  Keep asking the bullshit and you will get bullshit back.

Do you make a ~distinction~ between the bullshit of rampant ~creative~
~stories~ and the alleged bullshit of surgically picking holes in
them?

> Good night dear Muse.
> Sleep well ,  the heavens are bound to bring you peace.
>
> Cheers
>
> Pattie has asked me to stop the discussion otherwise he will throw
> rocks at me.
> I hope you also respect Patties views.

Patrick asked no such thing. Perhaps you ~created~ an
~interpretation~. . .

[tubby]

> is a game" (page 245,http://books.google.com.au/books?id=o61xbx1sfCwC

> ) Have you renounced rosenbergism, Bruno, now that you no longer want
> to play the ~game~?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > > I'll ~try~ again: what provides the basis for your stated belief in
> > > your chosen~ ~interpretation~ of Ben's every ~word~?
>
> > > > > > > > Why do you have any reason to doubt what Ben has stated????
>
> > > > > > > I don't trust everything I read on the interwebs, Bruno. Strange, huh?
>
> > > > > > Bully for you.
> > > > > > There is the difference. I trust Bens postings.
> > > > > >  I don't bullshit
>
> > > > > Really? Despite evidence to the contrary?
>
> > > > Whatever.
>
> > > > > > and I don't expect others
> > > > > > to do so.
>
> > > > > Sounds risky!
>
> > > > So what.
>
> > > Someone might deceive you -- even lure you into a brainwashing cult...
>
> > Do you mean Serena Nordstrup's brainwashing Cult?????
>
> No. I wrote indefinitely: "a brainwashing cult"...

Your behavior and polly parrot questions seem rather Cultish???

>
> > No way.
> > Too wooden for me and not much fun.
>
> You have evidence? Or do you just bullshit compulsively and then claim

> that you don't ...

Just read your postings Muse.

I try to play the same bullshit game you do Muse.
I may not be as sharp as you due to being a slow learner.

I am just learning the Midnight Waltz Muse and there are a few turns I
have missed.
Would you be available to show me the ropes?????

cheers.
>
> read more »

[Serena Nordstrup]

Outstanding question: what provides the basis for your stated belief

To whom? and why?

> > > No way.
> > > Too wooden for me and not much fun.
>
> > You have evidence? Or do you just bullshit compulsively and then claim
> > that you don't ...
>
> Just read your postings Muse.

I have. Quote me something specific.

> I try to play the same bullshit game you do Muse.

I convinced you of the efficacy of skewering the ridiculous? -- It
doesn't show in your posts...

> I may not be as sharp as you due to being a slow learner.
>
> I am just learning the Midnight Waltz Muse and there are a few turns I
> have missed.
> Would you be available to show me the ropes?????

Don't tell alt.fan.landmark your problems -- it has rosenbergism to
deal with.

> cheers.

[tubby]

How about Trust period.

I bet you can't handle that one!!!!!!!!

>
> > > > > > Go back to the heavens Muse. This unpredictable world we live in
> > > > > > was not meant for you period.
>
> > > > > All these years we've discussed things, and now you suddenly don't
> > > > > want to talk to me about important matters like ~interpretation~ -- or
> > > > > even about trivial nuisances like beliefs...
>
> > > > Correct two can play the same game!
>
> > > In "Getting Saved from the Sixties: Moral Meaning in Conversion and
> > > Cultural Change", Steven M. Tipton states that "est proposes that life
> > > is a game" (page 245,http://books.google.com.au/books?id=o61xbx1sfCwC
> > > ) Have you renounced rosenbergism, Bruno, now that you no longer want
> > > to play the ~game~?
>
> Have you renounced rosenbergism, Bruno, now that you no longer want to
> play the ~game~?

Not at all fair Muse.
Forum was also about choice.
You can choose who you play the game with.

Its a pity you are sooooooooooooooooooo anal.


Cheers

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > > > > I'll ~try~ again: what provides the basis for your stated belief in
> > > > > your chosen~ ~interpretation~ of Ben's every ~word~?
>

> ...
>
> read more »

[Serena Nordstrup]

I haven't the faintest idea what you mean.

Again: what provides the basis for your stated belief in your chosen~

~interpretation~ of Ben's every ~word~?

> > > > > > > Go back to the heavens Muse. This unpredictable world we live in
> > > > > > > was not meant for you period.
>
> > > > > > All these years we've discussed things, and now you suddenly don't
> > > > > > want to talk to me about important matters like ~interpretation~ -- or
> > > > > > even about trivial nuisances like beliefs...
>
> > > > > Correct two can play the same game!
>
> > > > In "Getting Saved from the Sixties: Moral Meaning in Conversion and
> > > > Cultural Change", Steven M. Tipton states that "est proposes that life
> > > > is a game" (page 245,http://books.google.com.au/books?id=o61xbx1sfCwC
> > > > ) Have you renounced rosenbergism, Bruno, now that you no longer want
> > > > to play the ~game~?
>
> > Have you renounced rosenbergism, Bruno, now that you no longer want to
> > play the ~game~?
>
> Not at all fair Muse.
> Forum was also about choice.
> You can choose who you play the game with.

Handy! -- You get to select the more promising victims... And you can
~choose~ to stop the ~conversation~ when it suits you...

> Its a pity you are sooooooooooooooooooo   anal.

A pity for whom?

[tubby]

There you go I thought you could not handle that one.
TRUST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>
> Again: what provides the basis for your stated belief in your chosen~
> ~interpretation~ of Ben's every ~word~?
>
> > > > > > > > Go back to the heavens Muse. This unpredictable world we live in
> > > > > > > > was not meant for you period.
>
> > > > > > > All these years we've discussed things, and now you suddenly don't
> > > > > > > want to talk to me about important matters like ~interpretation~ -- or
> > > > > > > even about trivial nuisances like beliefs...
>
> > > > > > Correct two can play the same game!
>
> > > > > In "Getting Saved from the Sixties: Moral Meaning in Conversion and
> > > > > Cultural Change", Steven M. Tipton states that "est proposes that life
> > > > > is a game" (page 245,http://books.google.com.au/books?id=o61xbx1sfCwC
> > > > > ) Have you renounced rosenbergism, Bruno, now that you no longer want
> > > > > to play the ~game~?
>
> > > Have you renounced rosenbergism, Bruno, now that you no longer want to
> > > play the ~game~?
>
> > Not at all fair Muse.
> > Forum was also about choice.
> > You can choose who you play the game with.
>
> Handy! -- You get to select the more promising victims... And you can
> ~choose~ to stop the ~conversation~ when it suits you...

Practical would be more the word.
No selection needed Muse its a choice.
You mix and have encounters with people that you choose.

Why the spin Muse.
Anyone has the choice to stop the conversation anytime they choose.
It's democratic.

>
> > Its a pity you are sooooooooooooooooooo   anal.
>
> A pity for whom?

A pity for all???????

cheers

[Serena Nordstrup]

Do you mean that "trust" provides the basis for your stated belief in

your chosen~ ~interpretation~ of Ben's every ~word~?

> > Again: what provides the basis for your stated belief in your chosen~
> > ~interpretation~ of Ben's every ~word~?
>
> > > > > > > > > Go back to the heavens Muse. This unpredictable world we live in
> > > > > > > > > was not meant for you period.
>
> > > > > > > > All these years we've discussed things, and now you suddenly don't
> > > > > > > > want to talk to me about important matters like ~interpretation~ -- or
> > > > > > > > even about trivial nuisances like beliefs...
>
> > > > > > > Correct two can play the same game!
>
> > > > > > In "Getting Saved from the Sixties: Moral Meaning in Conversion and
> > > > > > Cultural Change", Steven M. Tipton states that "est proposes that life
> > > > > > is a game" (page 245,http://books.google.com.au/books?id=o61xbx1sfCwC
> > > > > > ) Have you renounced rosenbergism, Bruno, now that you no longer want
> > > > > > to play the ~game~?
>
> > > > Have you renounced rosenbergism, Bruno, now that you no longer want to
> > > > play the ~game~?
>
> > > Not at all fair Muse.
> > > Forum was also about choice.
> > > You can choose who you play the game with.
>
> > Handy! -- You get to select the more promising victims... And you can
> > ~choose~ to stop the ~conversation~ when it suits you...
>
> Practical would be more the word.
> No selection needed Muse its a choice.

A ~choice~ like a selection ...

> You mix and have  encounters with people that you choose.
>
> Why the spin Muse.
> Anyone has the choice to stop the conversation anytime they choose.
> It's democratic.

One can stop posting in a thread. In what way do you regard that as
democratic?

> > > Its a pity you are sooooooooooooooooooo   anal.
>
> > A pity for whom?
>
> A pity for all???????

You haven't polled all potential readers.

[tubby]

Partly right.
You forgot to mention that " Choice"
The general and most informal word , emphasizes freedom in choosing,
both in the way one chooses and in the number of possibilities from
which to choose.
( World dictionary Page 365 1975 edition)

>
> > You mix and have  encounters with people that you choose.
>
> > Why the spin Muse.
> > Anyone has the choice to stop the conversation anytime they choose.
> > It's democratic.
>
> One can stop posting in a thread. In what way do you regard that as
> democratic?

Again its a choice Anyone has.The freedom to allow people
to choose.

>
> > > > Its a pity you are sooooooooooooooooooo   anal.
>
> > > A pity for whom?
>
> > A pity for all???????
>
> You haven't polled all potential readers.

Correct.

However since its out there now lets see what others may say.

I trust you are well


cheers

[Serena Nordstrup]

your chosen~ ~interpretation~ of Ben's every ~word~, Bruno?

So when some ~forum~-~leader~ insists you plump for chocolate or for
vanilla and insists you take your option in a certain way -- that
sounds like a selection from a very narrow set of ~possibilities~...

> > > You mix and have  encounters with people that you choose.
>
> > > Why the spin Muse.
> > > Anyone has the choice to stop the conversation anytime they choose.
> > > It's democratic.
>
> > One can stop posting in a thread. In what way do you regard that as
> > democratic?
>
> Again its a choice Anyone has.The freedom to allow people
> to choose.

Freedom, yes. But in what way democratic?

> > > > > Its a pity you are sooooooooooooooooooo   anal.
>
> > > > A pity for whom?
>
> > > A pity for all???????
>
> > You haven't polled all potential readers.
>
> Correct.
>
> However since its out there now lets see what others may say.

A fair and unbiased survey of randomly selected samples of the sum
total of Interweb-users ?

[tubby]

Read the postings fair Muse.
Trust !!!!!!!!
I have no reason to not trust Ben;s postings or Ben for that matter.

What is it about Ben that has got up your nose??????
Is it because he was invited to sail with Werner and you were not?????

I think the context was different Muse.

But I will grant you that's fair question.
I have no answer for you Muse ,

>
> > > > You mix and have  encounters with people that you choose.
>
> > > > Why the spin Muse.
> > > > Anyone has the choice to stop the conversation anytime they choose.
> > > > It's democratic.
>
> > > One can stop posting in a thread. In what way do you regard that as
> > > democratic?
>
> > Again its a choice Anyone has.The freedom to allow people
> > to choose.
>
> Freedom, yes. But in what way democratic?

Everyone is equal and no privileges even for Muses of your type

>
> > > > > > Its a pity you are sooooooooooooooooooo   anal.
>
> > > > > A pity for whom?
>
> > > > A pity for all???????
>
> > > You haven't polled all potential readers.
>
> > Correct.
>
> > However since its out there now lets see what others may say.
>
>  A fair and unbiased survey of randomly selected samples of the sum
> total of Interweb-users

What heavenly bullshit Muse.

Can't you see no one gives a rats arse about our conversation.

Does that not tell you anything????????

cheers

[Serena Nordstrup]

I ~get~ that you have read some posts...

> Trust !!!!!!!!
> I have no reason to not trust Ben;s postings or Ben for that matter.

Unlike some other postings, or other posters that matter...

Trust resembles belief. It doesn't justify anything in itself. Your
fundamental motivations may lie deeper...

> What is it about Ben that has got up your nose??????

Nothing at all. But some of his statements remind me of some of your
own more ridiculous statements. And his defense-methodologies seem
familiar too...

> Is it because he was invited to sail with Werner and you were not?????

Do you assume that I have not yet received an ~invitation~ ?

Dictionary-contexts tend to the general.

> But I will grant you that's fair question.
> I have no answer for you Muse ,

Let's assume that so-called ~forum~ so-called ~leaders~ use a
different dictionary -- one with the imprimatur of the Lord ~Werner~.

> > > > > You mix and have  encounters with people that you choose.
>
> > > > > Why the spin Muse.
> > > > > Anyone has the choice to stop the conversation anytime they choose.
> > > > > It's democratic.
>
> > > > One can stop posting in a thread. In what way do you regard that as
> > > > democratic?
>
> > > Again its a choice Anyone has.The freedom to allow people
> > > to choose.
>
> > Freedom, yes. But in what way democratic?
>
> Everyone is equal and no   privileges even  for Muses of your type

Equality, yes. But where does the "democratic" bit come from?

> > > > > > > Its a pity you are sooooooooooooooooooo   anal.
>
> > > > > > A pity for whom?
>
> > > > > A pity for all???????
>
> > > > You haven't polled all potential readers.
>
> > > Correct.
>
> > > However since its out there now lets see what others may say.
>
> >  A fair and unbiased survey of randomly selected samples of the sum
> > total of Interweb-users
>
> What heavenly bullshit Muse.
>
> Can't you see no one gives a rats arse about our conversation.

You think I'd get more out of writing in my diary?

> Does that not tell you anything????????

It tells me nothing -- since you've not established the accuracy of
the claim.

[bentot]

Your assumption would be wrong ???serena???. Anyone who has set up
the trainer's podium, knows that the dictionary used by the leader is
a "Merrian-Webster". Your premise is codswallop.

bentot

[tubby]

On Jan 26, 3:00 am, bentot <bentot1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 02:13:16 -0800 (PST), Serena Nordstrup
>

Such as?

>
> >> What is it about Ben that has got up your nose??????
>
> >Nothing at all. But some of his statements remind me of some of your
> >own more ridiculous statements. And his defense-methodologies seem
> >familiar too...

What do you mean??????????

>
> >> Is it because he was invited to sail with Werner and you were not?????
>
> >Do you assume that I have not yet received an ~invitation~ ?

Yes however it depends on what you mean depends by the word " Yet".

Thanks for the input Ben you are correct.
I had forgotten about the Dictionary.
That again tells us how the Muse make things up also.

>
> >> > > > > You mix and have encounters with people that you choose.
>
> >> > > > > Why the spin Muse.
> >> > > > > Anyone has the choice to stop the conversation anytime they choose.
> >> > > > > It's democratic.
>
> >> > > > One can stop posting in a thread. In what way do you regard that as
> >> > > > democratic?
>
> >> > > Again its a choice Anyone has.The freedom to allow people
> >> > > to choose.
>
> >> > Freedom, yes. But in what way democratic?
>
> >> Everyone is equal and no privileges even for Muses of your type
>
> >Equality, yes. But where does the "democratic" bit come from?
>
> >> > > > > > > Its a pity you are sooooooooooooooooooo anal.
>
> >> > > > > > A pity for whom?
>
> >> > > > > A pity for all???????
>
> >> > > > You haven't polled all potential readers.
>
> >> > > Correct.
>
> >> > > However since its out there now lets see what others may say.
>
> >> > A fair and unbiased survey of randomly selected samples of the sum
> >> > total of Interweb-users
>
> >> What heavenly bullshit Muse.
>
> >> Can't you see no one gives a rats arse about our conversation.
>
> >You think I'd get more out of writing in my diary?

Why don't you ask Pau?????? or your other friends the Muses???

>
> >> Does that not tell you anything????????
>
> >It tells me nothing -- since you've not established the accuracy of
> >the claim.

In your mind, fine

I can't help it if you have blind spots . " Scotoma "2.
(Psychology) Psychol a mental blind spot; inability to understand or
perceive certain matters


Maybe Werner could guide you here.

I could try to arrange a meeting through Caligari or Ben for that
matter?????

Is Pau or Ms. Nordstrup interested Ummmmmmm ??????????


Sleep well my fair Muse.

[bentot]

On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 14:18:08 -0800 (PST), tubby <bton...@gmail.com>
wrote:

And, besides the dictionary are:
A pen, pad of paper, some cough drops layed out in a row on folded
foil, a glass of water and a stainless steel thermal cup. Behind the
podium was a tall director' chair. A trash basket was placed under
the podium. Nearby was a wired microphone in case the wireless one
failed. Strips of tape on the floor near the speakers mark the points
beyond which sound system feedback would occur. Did I leave anything
out, Bruno? Oh yes ...the blackboard set up. :-)

bentot

[Serena Nordstrup]

On Jan 26, 5:00 am, bentot <bentot1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 02:13:16 -0800 (PST), Serena Nordstrup
>

<snip>

Thank you Ben. You have confirmed the existence of what I termed a
"dictionary [...] with the imprimatur of the Lord ~Werner~" -- a
sacred text. Moreover, one might ~possibly~ detect a ~distinction~
between Bruno's 1975 "World Dictionary" and your unreferenced "Merrian-
Webster" (by which I assume you may mean "Merriam-Webster").

I wonder what dictionary (if any) starred on the podia back in the
days when so-called ~landmark~ so-called ~education~ staged so-called
~forums~ in Sweden...

Anyway, using Bruno's quoted criteria -- ' "Choice" The general and

most informal word , emphasizes freedom in choosing, both in the way
one chooses and in the number of possibilities from which to choose.

( World dictionary Page 365 1975 edition)' -- would you yourself
judge, Ben, that "when some ~forum~-~leader~ insists you plump for

chocolate or for vanilla and insists you take your option in a certain
way -- that sounds like a selection from a very narrow set of

~possibilities~"?

[Serena Nordstrup]

I haven't (for example) psychoanalyzed you one-to-one, Bruno. But you
yourself may have the ability to detect the basis for your trust/
belief.

> > >> What is it about Ben that has got up your nose??????
>
> > >Nothing at all. But some of his statements remind me of some of your
> > >own more ridiculous statements. And his defense-methodologies seem
> > >familiar too...
>
> What do you mean??????????

I sometimes detect a pattern of behavior. Perhaps such a pattern could
come from deeply imbibing rosenbergism. Or perhaps from hanging around
alt.fan.landmark ...

> > >> Is it because he was invited to sail with Werner and you were not?????
>
> > >Do you assume that I have not yet received an ~invitation~ ?
>
> Yes however it depends on what you mean depends by the word " Yet".

You made an assumption. Get over it.

I made a clearly-labelled suggestion that we make a certain
assumption. Ben has provided supporting information tending to support
the proposed assumption. Objections?

> > >> > > > > You mix and have encounters with people that you choose.
>
> > >> > > > > Why the spin Muse.
> > >> > > > > Anyone has the choice to stop the conversation anytime they choose.
> > >> > > > > It's democratic.
>
> > >> > > > One can stop posting in a thread. In what way do you regard that as
> > >> > > > democratic?
>
> > >> > > Again its a choice Anyone has.The freedom to allow people
> > >> > > to choose.
>
> > >> > Freedom, yes. But in what way democratic?
>
> > >> Everyone is equal and no privileges even for Muses of your type
>
> > >Equality, yes. But where does the "democratic" bit come from?

Where does the "democratic" bit come from, Bruno?

> > >> > > > > > > Its a pity you are sooooooooooooooooooo anal.
>
> > >> > > > > > A pity for whom?
>
> > >> > > > > A pity for all???????
>
> > >> > > > You haven't polled all potential readers.
>
> > >> > > Correct.
>
> > >> > > However since its out there now lets see what others may say.
>
> > >> > A fair and unbiased survey of randomly selected samples of the sum
> > >> > total of Interweb-users
>
> > >> What heavenly bullshit Muse.
>
> > >> Can't you see no one gives a rats arse about our conversation.
>
> > >You think I'd get more out of writing in my diary?
>
> Why don't you ask Pau?????? or your other  friends the Muses???

I'll ask the person who suggested that "no one gives a rats arse about
our conversation". Yourself, Bruno. You can take ~responsibility~ for
your claims. Or you can withdraw them.

> > >> Does that not tell you anything????????
>
> > >It tells me nothing -- since you've not established the accuracy of
> > >the claim.
>
> In your mind, fine

I have yet to see any reliable evidence. Do you have such evidence to
offer, Bruno?

> I can't help it if you have blind spots .  "  Scotoma   "2.
> (Psychology) Psychol a mental blind spot; inability to understand or
> perceive certain matters
>
> Maybe Werner could guide you here.

Or not.

> I could try to arrange a meeting through Caligari or Ben for that
> matter?????

Meetings -- the panacea for inaction. -- We have a discussion thread
already. You can discuss, Bruno -- and need not even ~try~ to divert
attention onto my irrelevant alleged psychological shortcomings.

> Is Pau or Ms. Nordstrup interested   Ummmmmmm  ??????????

Jack Rosenberg can come to alt.fan.landmark and attempt to "guide" me
should he so desire. I won't hold my breath.

[Serena Nordstrup]

On Jan 26, 12:18 pm, bentot <bentot1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Jan 2013 14:18:08 -0800 (PST), tubby <btono...@gmail.com>

<snip>

> >> Anyone who has set up
> >> the trainer's podium, knows that the dictionary used by the leader is
> >> a "Merrian-Webster".

<snip>

> And, besides the dictionary are:
> A pen, pad of paper, some cough drops layed out in a row on folded
> foil, a glass of water and a stainless steel thermal cup.  Behind the
> podium was a tall director' chair.  A trash basket was placed under
> the podium.  Nearby was a wired microphone in case the wireless one
> failed.  Strips of tape on the floor near the speakers mark the points
> beyond which sound system feedback would occur.  Did I leave anything
> out, Bruno?  Oh yes ...the blackboard set up.  :-)
>
> bentot

Does that apply to the Six-Day?

[tubby]

And tell us more. What do you really mean?????

>
> > > >> What is it about Ben that has got up your nose??????
>
> > > >Nothing at all. But some of his statements remind me of some of your
> > > >own more ridiculous statements. And his defense-methodologies seem
> > > >familiar too...
>
> > What do you mean??????????
>
> I sometimes detect a pattern of behavior. Perhaps such a pattern could
> come from deeply imbibing rosenbergism. Or perhaps from hanging around
> alt.fan.landmark ...

Can you be more specific so we know what you are talking about.
Give us some examples.

>
> > > >> Is it because he was invited to sail with Werner and you were not?????
>
> > > >Do you assume that I have not yet received an ~invitation~ ?
>
> > Yes however it depends on what you mean depends by the word " Yet".
>
> You made an assumption. Get over it.

Get over what??
Please explain yourself????

Ben I can remember setting up the trainers Podium and making certain
the chairs were straight
a real pain in the arse. Our fair Serena would just love that type of
work making certain all the t's and p's
were dotted. Just up her anal alley.
I could also see her as one of those pompous, anal Supervisors that
follows everything by the book just like
a robot. Fortunately there were many fine people in the team and that
took the pressure off the anal bits.
I moved to Sound ASAP and therefore as long as the Microphones wwere
working you were left alone and could be in the room
where all the action was.

>
> I made a clearly-labelled suggestion that we make a certain
> assumption. Ben has provided supporting information tending to support
> the proposed assumption. Objections?

You tried top spin things as normal Muse. Stop lying!!!!!!

>
> > > >> > > > > You mix and have encounters with people that you choose.
>
> > > >> > > > > Why the spin Muse.
> > > >> > > > > Anyone has the choice to stop the conversation anytime they choose.
> > > >> > > > > It's democratic.
>
> > > >> > > > One can stop posting in a thread. In what way do you regard that as
> > > >> > > > democratic?
>
> > > >> > > Again its a choice Anyone has.The freedom to allow people
> > > >> > > to choose.
>
> > > >> > Freedom, yes. But in what way democratic?
>
> > > >> Everyone is equal and no privileges even for Muses of your type
>
> > > >Equality, yes. But where does the "democratic" bit come from?
>
> Where does the "democratic" bit come from, Bruno?

Its an add in just to stir you up and have you frothing at the
mouth!!!!!!!

>
> > > >> > > > > > > Its a pity you are sooooooooooooooooooo anal.
>
> > > >> > > > > > A pity for whom?
>
> > > >> > > > > A pity for all???????
>
> > > >> > > > You haven't polled all potential readers.
>
> > > >> > > Correct.
>
> > > >> > > However since its out there now lets see what others may say.
>
> > > >> > A fair and unbiased survey of randomly selected samples of the sum
> > > >> > total of Interweb-users
>
> > > >> What heavenly bullshit Muse.
>
> > > >> Can't you see no one gives a rats arse about our conversation.
>
> > > >You think I'd get more out of writing in my diary?
>
> > Why don't you ask Pau?????? or your other  friends the Muses???
>
> I'll ask the person who suggested that "no one gives a rats arse about
> our conversation". Yourself, Bruno. You can take ~responsibility~ for
> your claims. Or you can withdraw them.

I don't have anything to withdraw.
Just ask your androgynous friend Pau or your other friends Muse.

>
> > > >> Does that not tell you anything????????
>
> > > >It tells me nothing -- since you've not established the accuracy of
> > > >the claim.
>
> > In your mind, fine
>
> I have yet to see any reliable evidence. Do you have such evidence to
> offer, Bruno?
>
> > I can't help it if you have blind spots .  "  Scotoma   "2.
> > (Psychology) Psychol a mental blind spot; inability to understand or
> > perceive certain matters
>
> > Maybe Werner could guide you here.
>
> Or not.
>
> > I could try to arrange a meeting through Caligari or Ben for that
> > matter?????
>
> Meetings -- the panacea for inaction. -- We have a discussion thread
> already. You can discuss, Bruno -- and need not even ~try~ to divert
> attention onto my irrelevant alleged psychological shortcomings.

There is no discussion with you Muse period.

No spirit of inquiry IMO.

>
> > Is Pau or Ms. Nordstrup interested   Ummmmmmm  ??????????
>
> Jack Rosenberg can come to alt.fan.landmark and attempt to "guide" me
> should he so desire. I won't hold my breath.> Sleep well my fair Muse.

I don't think he would waste his breath on you just by looking at the
record of your postings.
Too small fry with not much to say!!!!!!!!

Cheers

[bentot]

On Sat, 26 Jan 2013 03:22:38 -0800 (PST), tubby <bton...@gmail.com>
wrote:

I, too, quickly moved to sound. Like you, I was left alone setting up
and controlling the microphones. The only time I left the room was
for calls of nature and meal breaks. I enjoyed being a
microphone-runner, but had to give it up due to knee problems. Skiing
and whitwater kayaking injuries.

bentot

[tubby]

On Jan 27, 10:40 am, bentot <bentot1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Jan 2013 03:22:38 -0800 (PST), tubby <btono...@gmail.com>

You know Ben I have led a more conservative sporting life however I
do admire
your sporting achievements.

To have knee injuries from sport in my mind means you pushed yourself
pretty hard
and enjoyed the sports to the limit your body could go and had a great
time doing it.

Correct me if my assumptions are wrong because Muse Nordsrop is going
to ask me
for evidence to back my comment.

Glad to hear all is well


Fondest regards

Bruno

[Serena Nordstrup]

As I understand the procedure, analysis requires a trusting
~relationship~ and personal interaction. Self-analysis may provide
more flexibility and even immediacy...

> > > > >> What is it about Ben that has got up your nose??????
>
> > > > >Nothing at all. But some of his statements remind me of some of your
> > > > >own more ridiculous statements. And his defense-methodologies seem
> > > > >familiar too...
>
> > > What do you mean??????????
>
> > I sometimes detect a pattern of behavior. Perhaps such a pattern could
> > come from deeply imbibing rosenbergism. Or perhaps from hanging around
> > alt.fan.landmark ...
>
> Can you be more specific so we know what you are talking about.
> Give us some examples.

We could examine, for example, documented histories of declining to
answer relevant questions.

> > > > >> Is it because he was invited to sail with Werner and you were not?????
>
> > > > >Do you assume that I have not yet received an ~invitation~ ?
>
> > > Yes however it depends on what you mean depends by the word " Yet".
>
> > You made an assumption. Get over it.
>
> Get over what??
> Please explain yourself????

I suggest you cease acting on the basis of undeclared and potentially
inaccurate assumptions. Just like any good and dutiful little
rosenbergist.

Please provide the full title and an ISBN for this mysterious
dictionary, Bruno.

... apart from the instructive action behind the scenes ...

> > I made a clearly-labelled suggestion that we make a certain
> > assumption. Ben has provided supporting information tending to support
> > the proposed assumption. Objections?
>
> You tried top spin things as normal Muse. Stop lying!!!!!!

Ben provided supporting information tending to support the proposed
assumption. Where, specifically, do you detect any lying?

> > > > >> > > > > You mix and have encounters with people that you choose.
>
> > > > >> > > > > Why the spin Muse.
> > > > >> > > > > Anyone has the choice to stop the conversation anytime they choose.
> > > > >> > > > > It's democratic.
>
> > > > >> > > > One can stop posting in a thread. In what way do you regard that as
> > > > >> > > > democratic?
>
> > > > >> > > Again its a choice Anyone has.The freedom to allow people
> > > > >> > > to choose.
>
> > > > >> > Freedom, yes. But in what way democratic?
>
> > > > >> Everyone is equal and no privileges even for Muses of your type
>
> > > > >Equality, yes. But where does the "democratic" bit come from?
>
> > Where does the "democratic" bit come from, Bruno?
>
> Its an add in just to stir you up and have you frothing at the
> mouth!!!!!!!

You no longer ~stand~ by your ~word~ as written: "Anyone has the

choice to stop the conversation anytime they choose. It's democratic."

You withdraw this claim as a mere add-in designed to promote frothing?

> > > > >> > > > > > > Its a pity you are sooooooooooooooooooo anal.
>
> > > > >> > > > > > A pity for whom?
>
> > > > >> > > > > A pity for all???????
>
> > > > >> > > > You haven't polled all potential readers.
>
> > > > >> > > Correct.
>
> > > > >> > > However since its out there now lets see what others may say.
>
> > > > >> > A fair and unbiased survey of randomly selected samples of the sum
> > > > >> > total of Interweb-users
>
> > > > >> What heavenly bullshit Muse.
>
> > > > >> Can't you see no one gives a rats arse about our conversation.
>
> > > > >You think I'd get more out of writing in my diary?
>
> > > Why don't you ask Pau?????? or your other  friends the Muses???
>
> > I'll ask the person who suggested that "no one gives a rats arse about
> > our conversation". Yourself, Bruno. You can take ~responsibility~ for
> > your claims. Or you can withdraw them.
>
> I don't have anything to withdraw.

You take ~responsibility~ for your claim that "no one gives a rats
arse about our conversation". Yet you provide no support for the
claim. Strange ~responsibility~...

> Just ask your androgynous friend Pau or your other friends Muse.
>
>
>
> > > > >> Does that not tell you anything????????
>
> > > > >It tells me nothing -- since you've not established the accuracy of
> > > > >the claim.
>
> > > In your mind, fine
>
> > I have yet to see any reliable evidence. Do you have such evidence to
> > offer, Bruno?

Do you have such evidence to offer, Bruno?

> > > I can't help it if you have blind spots .  "  Scotoma   "2.
> > > (Psychology) Psychol a mental blind spot; inability to understand or
> > > perceive certain matters
>
> > > Maybe Werner could guide you here.
>
> > Or not.
>
> > > I could try to arrange a meeting through Caligari or Ben for that
> > > matter?????
>
> > Meetings -- the panacea for inaction. -- We have a discussion thread
> > already. You can discuss, Bruno -- and need not even ~try~ to divert
> > attention onto my irrelevant alleged psychological shortcomings.
>
> There is no discussion with you Muse period.

Yet you reply to some of my postings ...

>  No spirit of inquiry IMO.

Just inquiries -- unsupported by "spirit"...

> > > Is Pau or Ms. Nordstrup interested   Ummmmmmm  ??????????
>
> > Jack Rosenberg can come to alt.fan.landmark and attempt to "guide" me
> > should he so desire. I won't hold my breath.> Sleep well my fair Muse.
>
> I don't think he would waste his breath on you just by looking at the
> record of your postings.
> Too small fry with not much to say!!!!!!!!

Ok. So I can continue to inquire into rosenbergistics and Jack can
continue to ignore me. Cool.

> Cheers

[Serena Nordstrup]

On Jan 27, 3:05 pm, tubby <btono...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 27, 10:40 am, bentot <bentot1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 26 Jan 2013 03:22:38 -0800 (PST), tubby <btono...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > >On Jan 26, 1:47 pm, Serena Nordstrup <s_nordst...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> > >> On Jan 26, 11:18 am, tubby <btono...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> > On Jan 26, 3:00 am, bentot <bentot1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>

<snip>

> > >Ben I can remember setting up the trainers Podium and making certain
> > >the chairs were straight
> > >a real pain in the arse. Our fair Serena would just love that type of
> > >work making certain all the t's and p's
> > >were dotted. Just up her anal alley.
> > >I could also see her as one of those pompous, anal Supervisors that
> > >follows everything by the book just like
> > >a robot. Fortunately there were many fine people in the team and that
> > >took the pressure off the anal bits.
> > >I moved to Sound ASAP and therefore as long as the Microphones  wwere
> > >working you were left alone and could be in the room
> > >where all the action was.
>
> > I, too, quickly moved to sound.  Like you, I was left alone setting up
> > and controlling the microphones.  The only time I left the room was
> > for calls of nature and meal breaks.  I enjoyed being a
> > microphone-runner, but had to give it up due to knee problems.  Skiing
> > and whitwater kayaking  injuries.
>
> > bentot
>
> You know Ben I have led a more conservative sporting life however  I
> do  admire
> your sporting achievements.
>
> To have knee injuries from sport in my mind means you pushed yourself
> pretty hard

Using the phrase "in my mind" indicates that you made this ~story~ up,
Bruno.

> and enjoyed the sports to the limit your body could go and had a great
> time doing it.

You made that up, Bruno.

> Correct me if my assumptions are wrong because Muse Nordsrop is going
> to ask me
> for evidence to back my comment.

Even if Ben confirms your assumptions (made-up ~stories~), you made up
the ~story~ first, published it, THEN asked for somebody else to ~take
responsibility~ for your ~story~ about a third party...

> Glad to hear all is well

Did you make up the "all is well" ~story~ too, Bruno?

> Fondest regards
>
> Bruno

[tubby]

There you go again Muse building straw houses. You just loooove that.

>
> > and enjoyed the sports to the limit your body could go and had a great
> > time doing it.
>
> You made that up, Bruno.

Yes in your heavenly mind Muse.

>
> > Correct me if my assumptions are wrong because Muse Nordsrop is going
> > to ask me
> > for evidence to back my comment.
>
> Even if Ben confirms your assumptions (made-up ~stories~), you made up
> the ~story~ first, published it, THEN asked for somebody else to ~take
> responsibility~ for your ~story~ about a third party...
>
> > Glad to hear all is well
>
> Did you make up the "all is well" ~story~ too, Bruno?

I just made it up for you Muse, to get you frothing again.


Why is it that whenever I mention Ben and his adventures you start
gnawing and gnashing your teeth.???????



I've been away for a few days in the forest pruning some trees.
Awfully quiet out there when its just you and your dog.

Missed your in depth questions????


For Pattie>

Pattie you will be pleased I was also reading a paperback titled
" How to hear the voice of God"

Interesting how Susan Shumsky DD. presents her case.

Would it pique your interest Ms NordstroP???????

Just wondering.

cheers




>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Fondest regards
>
> > Bruno

[Serena Nordstrup]

I learn so much about myself from your incisive and witty analyses,
Bruno. Too bad they have no relevance to the discussions about so-
called ~landmark~ so-called ~education~. And too bad that the lack of
evidence leaves your readers unconvinced.

> > > and enjoyed the sports to the limit your body could go and had a great
> > > time doing it.
>
> > You made that up, Bruno.
>
> Yes in your heavenly mind Muse.

You have evidence to support your claims of ~meaning~ enjoymeny and
~meaning~ having a great time ?

> > > Correct me if my assumptions are wrong because Muse Nordsrop is going
> > > to ask me
> > > for evidence to back my comment.
>
> > Even if Ben confirms your assumptions (made-up ~stories~), you made up
> > the ~story~ first, published it, THEN asked for somebody else to ~take
> > responsibility~ for your ~story~ about a third party...
>
> > > Glad to hear all is well
>
> > Did you make up the "all is well" ~story~ too, Bruno?
>
> I just made it up for you Muse, to get you frothing again.

The proportion of admitted fiction in your posts might give cause for
alarm. The proportion of person-oriented irrelevant material might
give cause for alarm as well.

> Why is it that whenever I mention Ben and his adventures you start
> gnawing and gnashing your teeth.???????

Why have you not yet determined when to stop beating your wife?

> I've been away for a few days in the forest pruning some trees.
> Awfully quiet out there when its just you and your dog.
>
> Missed your in depth questions????
>
> For Pattie>
>
> Pattie you will be pleased I was also reading a paperback titled
> " How to hear the voice of God"
>
> Interesting how Susan Shumsky DD. presents her case.
>
> Would it pique your interest Ms NordstroP???????
>
> Just wondering.

Does she assume a monotheistic god ?

> cheers
>
> > > Fondest regards
>
> > > Bruno

[tubby]

Correction dear Muse.
" Leaves You unconvinced"
You and me are the only ones in this conversation period.

>
> > > > and enjoyed the sports to the limit your body could go and had a great
> > > > time doing it.
>
> > > You made that up, Bruno.
>
> > Yes in your heavenly mind Muse.
>
> You have evidence to support your claims of ~meaning~ enjoymeny and
> ~meaning~ having a great time ?
>
> > > > Correct me if my assumptions are wrong because Muse Nordsrop is going
> > > > to ask me
> > > > for evidence to back my comment.
>
> > > Even if Ben confirms your assumptions (made-up ~stories~), you made up
> > > the ~story~ first, published it, THEN asked for somebody else to ~take
> > > responsibility~ for your ~story~ about a third party...
>
> > > > Glad to hear all is well
>
> > > Did you make up the "all is well" ~story~ too, Bruno?
>
> > I just made it up for you Muse, to get you frothing again.
>
> The proportion of admitted fiction in your posts might give cause for
> alarm. The proportion of person-oriented irrelevant material might
> give cause for alarm as well.

Only to you Muse.
No one else has here has objected yet.

>
> > Why is it that whenever I mention Ben and his adventures you start
> > gnawing and gnashing your teeth.???????
>
> Why have you not yet determined when to stop beating your wife?

Don't get that.
If that is so please provide evidence to demonstrate that's what I am
doing.

>
> > I've been away for a few days in the forest pruning some trees.
> > Awfully quiet out there when its just you and your dog.
>
> > Missed your in depth questions????
>
> > For Pattie>
>
> > Pattie you will be pleased I was also reading a paperback titled
> > " How to hear the voice of God"
>
> > Interesting how Susan Shumsky DD. presents her case.
>
> > Would it pique your interest Ms NordstroP???????
>
> > Just wondering.
>
> Does she assume a monotheistic god ?

No.


Cheers
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > cheers
>
> > > > Fondest regards
>
> > > > Bruno

[Serena Nordstrup]

Ah. You did a survey of Usenet usage over a given period and
extrapolated your findings to cover the next fifty years. Yeah, right.

> > > > > and enjoyed the sports to the limit your body could go and had a great
> > > > > time doing it.
>
> > > > You made that up, Bruno.
>
> > > Yes in your heavenly mind Muse.
>
> > You have evidence to support your claims of ~meaning~ enjoymeny and
> > ~meaning~ having a great time ?

You have evidence to support your claims of ~meaning~ enjoyment and

~meaning~ having a great time ?

> > > > > Correct me if my assumptions are wrong because Muse Nordsrop is going
> > > > > to ask me
> > > > > for evidence to back my comment.
>
> > > > Even if Ben confirms your assumptions (made-up ~stories~), you made up
> > > > the ~story~ first, published it, THEN asked for somebody else to ~take
> > > > responsibility~ for your ~story~ about a third party...
>
> > > > > Glad to hear all is well
>
> > > > Did you make up the "all is well" ~story~ too, Bruno?
>
> > > I just made it up for you Muse, to get you frothing again.
>
> > The proportion of admitted fiction in your posts might give cause for
> > alarm. The proportion of person-oriented irrelevant material might
> > give cause for alarm as well.
>
> Only to you Muse.
> No one else has here has objected yet.

That seems entirely compatible with my statements that the content of
your posts might give cause ...

> > > Why is it that whenever I mention Ben and his adventures you start
> > > gnawing and gnashing your teeth.???????
>
> > Why have you not yet determined when to stop beating your wife?
>
> Don't get that.
> If that is so please provide evidence to demonstrate that's what I am
> doing.

You ~got~ it, Bruno. You have no evidence of my "gnawing and
gnashing"...

> > > I've been away for a few days in the forest pruning some trees.
> > > Awfully quiet out there when its just you and your dog.
>
> > > Missed your in depth questions????
>
> > > For Pattie>
>
> > > Pattie you will be pleased I was also reading a paperback titled
> > > " How to hear the voice of God"
>
> > > Interesting how Susan Shumsky DD. presents her case.
>
> > > Would it pique your interest Ms NordstroP???????
>
> > > Just wondering.
>
> > Does she assume a monotheistic god ?
>
> No.

The title suggested otherwise... Perhaps the publishers put her up to
it...

[tubby]

Correct once again Muse.
In the here and NOW.
HERE and NOW!!!!!!!!!
No one gives a rats arse!!!!!!!!!!

>
> > > > > > and enjoyed the sports to the limit your body could go and had a great
> > > > > > time doing it.
>
> > > > > You made that up, Bruno.
>
> > > > Yes in your heavenly mind Muse.
>
> > > You have evidence to support your claims of ~meaning~ enjoymeny and
> > > ~meaning~ having a great time ?
>
> You have evidence to support your claims of ~meaning~ enjoyment and
> ~meaning~ having a great time ?

All in the postings Muse.
You could read them for once.

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > > > > > Correct me if my assumptions are wrong because Muse Nordsrop is going
> > > > > > to ask me
> > > > > > for evidence to back my comment.
>
> > > > > Even if Ben confirms your assumptions (made-up ~stories~), you made up
> > > > > the ~story~ first, published it, THEN asked for somebody else to ~take
> > > > > responsibility~ for your ~story~ about a third party...
>
> > > > > > Glad to hear all is well
>
> > > > > Did you make up the "all is well" ~story~ too, Bruno?
>
> > > > I just made it up for you Muse, to get you frothing again.
>
> > > The proportion of admitted fiction in your posts might give cause for
> > > alarm. The proportion of person-oriented irrelevant material might
> > > give cause for alarm as well.
>
> > Only to you Muse.
> > No one else has here has objected yet.
>
> That seems entirely compatible with my statements that the content of
> your posts might give cause ...

We will wait and see.

>
> > > > Why is it that whenever I mention Ben and his adventures you start
> > > > gnawing and gnashing your teeth.???????
>
> > > Why have you not yet determined when to stop beating your wife?
>
> > Don't get that.
> > If that is so please provide evidence to demonstrate that's what I am
> > doing.
>
> You ~got~ it, Bruno. You have no evidence of my "gnawing and
> gnashing"...

Ughh is that all !!!!!!!!!

I'm just playing the same game you are Muse.
For better or worse.

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > > > I've been away for a few days in the forest pruning some trees.
> > > > Awfully quiet out there when its just you and your dog.
>
> > > > Missed your in depth questions????
>
> > > > For Pattie>
>
> > > > Pattie you will be pleased I was also reading a paperback titled
> > > > " How to hear the voice of God"
>
> > > > Interesting how Susan Shumsky DD. presents her case.
>
> > > > Would it pique your interest Ms NordstroP???????
>
> > > > Just wondering.
>
> > > Does she assume a monotheistic god ?
>
> > No.
>
> The title suggested otherwise... Perhaps the publishers put her up to
> it...

Haven't been able to speak to God yet.
However when I do I will ask him what is the story with you.
Still curious


cheers

[patrick]

ok

[Serena Nordstrup]

You and I Bruno, may each have a major part in ~creating~ this
particular "here and now' (or universe).. Do you speak for me when you
randomly claim that "No one gives a rat's ass"?

> > > > > > > and enjoyed the sports to the limit your body could go and had a great
> > > > > > > time doing it.
>
> > > > > > You made that up, Bruno.
>
> > > > > Yes in your heavenly mind Muse.
>
> > > > You have evidence to support your claims of ~meaning~ enjoymeny and
> > > > ~meaning~ having a great time ?
>
> > You have evidence to support your claims of ~meaning~ enjoyment and
> > ~meaning~ having a great time ?
>
> All in the postings Muse.
> You could read them for once.

I've read assertions and I've read opinions. I don't recall evidence.
Where exactly do I find it?

> > > > > > > Correct me if my assumptions are wrong because Muse Nordsrop is going
> > > > > > > to ask me
> > > > > > > for evidence to back my comment.
>
> > > > > > Even if Ben confirms your assumptions (made-up ~stories~), you made up
> > > > > > the ~story~ first, published it, THEN asked for somebody else to ~take
> > > > > > responsibility~ for your ~story~ about a third party...
>
> > > > > > > Glad to hear all is well
>
> > > > > > Did you make up the "all is well" ~story~ too, Bruno?
>
> > > > > I just made it up for you Muse, to get you frothing again.
>
> > > > The proportion of admitted fiction in your posts might give cause for
> > > > alarm. The proportion of person-oriented irrelevant material might
> > > > give cause for alarm as well.
>
> > > Only to you Muse.
> > > No one else has here has objected yet.
>
> > That seems entirely compatible with my statements that the content of
> > your posts might give cause ...
>
> We will wait and see.

Fifty years?

> > > > > Why is it that whenever I mention Ben and his adventures you start
> > > > > gnawing and gnashing your teeth.???????
>
> > > > Why have you not yet determined when to stop beating your wife?
>
> > > Don't get that.
> > > If that is so please provide evidence to demonstrate that's what I am
> > > doing.
>
> > You ~got~ it, Bruno. You have no evidence of my "gnawing and
> > gnashing"...
>
> Ughh  is that all     !!!!!!!!!
>
> I'm just playing the same game you are Muse.
> For better or worse.

So, that got rid of your entirely fictional and ungrounded "gnawing
and gnashing" ~story~. Simple, huh?

> > > > > I've been away for a few days in the forest pruning some trees.
> > > > > Awfully quiet out there when its just you and your dog.
>
> > > > > Missed your in depth questions????
>
> > > > > For Pattie>
>
> > > > > Pattie you will be pleased I was also reading a paperback titled
> > > > > " How to hear the voice of God"
>
> > > > > Interesting how Susan Shumsky DD. presents her case.
>
> > > > > Would it pique your interest Ms NordstroP???????
>
> > > > > Just wondering.
>
> > > > Does she assume a monotheistic god ?
>
> > > No.
>
> > The title suggested otherwise... Perhaps the publishers put her up to
> > it...
>
> Haven't been able to speak to God yet.

"Hearing the voice" implies a two-way ~conversation~? Since when?

[Tom Jones]

On 7 Feb, 05:08, Serena Nordstrup <s_nordst...@my-deja.com> wrote:

> You and I Bruno, may each have a major part in ~creating~ this
> particular "here and now' (or universe).. Do you speak for me when you
> randomly claim that "No one gives a rat's ass"?

Trolololo