You do not talk about REVENGE CLUB

[TJ]

Is there some rule that you don't talk about revenge if you are in REVENGE CLUB? Seems totally a untouchable topic in alt.fan.revenge, AKA alt.fan.landmark. Can someone fill me in? (preferably Caligari)

[Serena Nordstrup]

On Apr 11, 1:32 am, TJ <thetroublewitht...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Is there some rule that you don't talk about revenge if you are in REVENGE CLUB? Seems totally a untouchable topic in alt.fan.revenge, AKA alt.fan.landmark. Can someone fill me in? (preferably Caligari)

Revenge can make for dramatic plots -- and thus stirring movies. That
doesn't make revenge a generic explanation for human behavior.

Simpatice
Serena

[TJ]

It also doesn't not make revenge a generic explanation for human behaviour. It applies where it applies and doesn't where it does not. I say it appears to be a part of the behaviour found in alt.fan.landmark. The resident "critics"here seem highly motivated by revenge but unwilling to include that in the discussion. With the exception of Ellen perhaps, who appears to be open with her spite revenge agenda.

[Serena Nordstrup]

On Apr 12, 12:49 am, TJ <thetroublewitht...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thursday, April 11, 2013 4:33:25 AM UTC-4, Serena Nordstrup wrote:
> > On Apr 11, 1:32 am, TJ <thetroublewitht...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Is there some rule that you don't talk about revenge if you are in REVENGE CLUB? Seems totally a untouchable topic in alt.fan.revenge, AKA alt.fan.landmark. Can someone fill me in? (preferably Caligari)
>
> > Revenge can make for dramatic plots  -- and thus stirring movies. That
>
> > doesn't make revenge a generic explanation for human behavior.
>
> > Simpatice
>
> > Serena
>
> It also doesn't not make revenge a generic explanation for human behaviour. It applies where it applies and doesn't where it does not.  I say it appears to be a part of the behaviour found in alt.fan.landmark.

How big part of activity in alt.fan.landmark appears to you to stem
from some sort of desire for revenge?

> The resident "critics"here seem highly motivated by revenge

Where do you get the impression that revenge motivates people in
alt.fan.landmark?

[Ellen]

I'm happy to oblige any ~Landpunk~ who ~shows up here~ without the two
clues he left behind when he emerged as a ~grad~ from the endullment
'n' dismal un~awareness~ cult. I'm willing to go along with the
~negative/cynical~ stuff, as well.

Oh, and just a thought -- what do I get if I ~win?~


http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.landmark/browse_thread/thread/bc8866f61cf8369c/d9138c10717d0752?hl=en&q=landilove&lnk=ol&

(Or just search "Landielove" in this group.)




Ellen

[bentot]

On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 13:13:37 -0700 (PDT), Ellen <elle...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Well,.... ~ellenpunk~ is still here looking for a newbie to bash,
belittle and insult with volumes hearsay stories about cults other
than her own creation.

[Serena Nordstrup]

On May 1, 3:32 pm, bentot <bentot1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 13:13:37 -0700 (PDT), Ellen <ellena...@gmail.com>

> wrote:
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> >On Apr 11, 5:49 am, TJ <thetroublewitht...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Thursday, April 11, 2013 4:33:25 AM UTC-4, Serena Nordstrup wrote:
> >> > On Apr 11, 1:32 am, TJ <thetroublewitht...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > > Is there some rule that you don't talk about revenge if you are in REVENGE CLUB? Seems totally a untouchable topic in alt.fan.revenge, AKA alt.fan.landmark. Can someone fill me in? (preferably Caligari)
>
> >> > Revenge can make for dramatic plots  -- and thus stirring movies. That
>
> >> > doesn't make revenge a generic explanation for human behavior.
>
> >> > Simpatice
>
> >> > Serena
>
> >> It also doesn't not make revenge a generic explanation for human behaviour. It applies where it applies and doesn't where it does not.  I say it appears to be a part of the behaviour found in alt.fan.landmark. The resident "critics"here seem highly motivated by revenge but unwilling to include that in the discussion. With the exception of Ellen perhaps, who appears to be open with her spite revenge agenda.
>
> >I'm happy to oblige any ~Landpunk~ who ~shows up here~ without the two
> >clues he left behind when he emerged as a ~grad~ from the endullment
> >'n' dismal un~awareness~ cult.   I'm willing to go along with the
> >~negative/cynical~ stuff, as well.
>
> >Oh, and just a thought -- what do I get if I ~win?~
>

> >http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.landmark/browse_thread/thread/...

>
> >(Or just search "Landielove" in this group.)
>
> >Ellen
>
> Well,.... ~ellenpunk~ is still here looking for a newbie to bash,
> belittle and insult with volumes hearsay stories about cults other
> than her own creation.

Insulting hearsay stories with volumes sounds like fun. Can you give
an example, Ben?

[bentot]

And, ???serena??? is here wanting to get another circle started to
jerk our way around.

[patrick]

ben, u seem to be stuck in circle land, if u know what i mean .

[bentot]

I can only guess what you mean. R U gonna clarify?

[Ellen]

On Apr 30, 8:32 pm, bentot <bentot1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 13:13:37 -0700 (PDT), Ellen <ellena...@gmail.com>

> wrote:
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> >On Apr 11, 5:49 am, TJ <thetroublewitht...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Thursday, April 11, 2013 4:33:25 AM UTC-4, Serena Nordstrup wrote:
> >> > On Apr 11, 1:32 am, TJ <thetroublewitht...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > > Is there some rule that you don't talk about revenge if you are in REVENGE CLUB? Seems totally a untouchable topic in alt.fan.revenge, AKA alt.fan.landmark. Can someone fill me in? (preferably Caligari)
>
> >> > Revenge can make for dramatic plots  -- and thus stirring movies. That
>
> >> > doesn't make revenge a generic explanation for human behavior.
>
> >> > Simpatice
>
> >> > Serena
>
> >> It also doesn't not make revenge a generic explanation for human behaviour. It applies where it applies and doesn't where it does not.  I say it appears to be a part of the behaviour found in alt.fan.landmark. The resident "critics"here seem highly motivated by revenge but unwilling to include that in the discussion. With the exception of Ellen perhaps, who appears to be open with her spite revenge agenda.
>
> >I'm happy to oblige any ~Landpunk~ who ~shows up here~ without the two
> >clues he left behind when he emerged as a ~grad~ from the endullment
> >'n' dismal un~awareness~ cult.   I'm willing to go along with the
> >~negative/cynical~ stuff, as well.
>
> >Oh, and just a thought -- what do I get if I ~win?~
>

> >http://groups.google.com/group/alt.fan.landmark/browse_thread/thread/...

>
> >(Or just search "Landielove" in this group.)
>
> >Ellen
>
> Well,.... ~ellenpunk~ is still here looking for a newbie to bash,
> belittle and insult with volumes hearsay stories about cults other
> than her own creation.

Well that's just YOUR ~interpretation,~ Bennie-Boy, or shall I say
solipsistic, self-serving spin, with nothing behind it but some
pathetic impulse to protect your own vanity and allow yourself to
carry on in your silly est-infested view of things with nothing
penetrating your happy-clappy Werner-inspired fog of non-reality.

Yep, ~frame~ it as bashing if you prefer the ~victim~ position, even
though it was Werner and his friends who ~victimized~ you by hitting
you on the head with the stupid-stick and your more likely ~source~ of
indignation is the guy who picked your pocket whilst selling you
~nothing~ but a commercial form of brain-damage.

Funnily enough, it really is your ~choice,~ at this point, to carry on
with the "old-estie" crapola, though super funnily enough, he
destroyed your ability to tell a good choice from a poor one. It's
the old "double-lock-and-key" trick. Look it up.


Ellen

[bentot]

On Wed, 1 May 2013 13:17:38 -0700 (PDT), Ellen <elle...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Wow... ~ellenpunk~..such venom and certainly no shortage of insults.

Have any more to unload?

[Caligari]

Here you go,

http://www.amazon.com/Crimson-Double-System-Screens-T63LL/dp/B00BESYYQS

;)

[bentot]

Far out! And, Crimson, no less!!! Keys to match. The bad guys would
have to take your studs along with the TV. But, never fear, I have a
handy-dandy stud finder in my tool box. Works on 16-inch and 24-inch
spaced studs, wooden and metal. No good on studless homes though. ;)

[Caligari]

It's not a home without a stud.

;)

[bentot]

Might be a home if properly positioned stone-studs are mortared into
place. A husky roto-hammer and diamond tip tools would be needed to
make deep enough holes to accept hex-head mounting screws. The bad
guys would have to get stoned to get the TV. Naaah. Not a good
idea... 'cuz I don't have a stone finder... Stick with real studs! ;)

[patrick]

bug eyes

http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/01/tech/innovation/bug-eye-camera/?hpt=hp_bn5

[Serena Nordstrup]

On May 2, 2:00 am, bentot <bentot1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 1 May 2013 04:47:08 -0700 (PDT), Serena Nordstrup
>

That doesn't sound like an example of insulting hearsay stories with
volumes, Ben. Do you have a clearer case?

[Serena Nordstrup]

On May 2, 11:15 am, bentot <bentot1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 1 May 2013 13:17:38 -0700 (PDT), Ellen <ellena...@gmail.com>

Who exactly got insulted?

[tubby]

Come on Ms Nordstrup Ben has clearly highlighted and evaluated
your Circle Jerker comments.

Stop the torment.
Accept that your behavior is pure Circle Jerking and move on!!!!

Missed you in China.

Cheers

[bentot]

On Thu, 2 May 2013 05:28:44 -0700 (PDT), tubby <bton...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Circle Jerking AND spit-wasting!

[Ellen]

On May 2, 8:39 am, bentot <bentot1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 2 May 2013 05:28:44 -0700 (PDT), tubby <btono...@gmail.com>

Some never reveal themselves so well as when they accuse!

I don't think you had two clues to spare, Ben.


Ellen

[Ellen]

On Apr 11, 5:49 am, TJ <thetroublewitht...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thursday, April 11, 2013 4:33:25 AM UTC-4, Serena Nordstrup wrote:
> > On Apr 11, 1:32 am, TJ <thetroublewitht...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Is there some rule that you don't talk about revenge if you are in REVENGE CLUB? Seems totally a untouchable topic in alt.fan.revenge, AKA alt.fan.landmark. Can someone fill me in? (preferably Caligari)
>
> > Revenge can make for dramatic plots  -- and thus stirring movies. That
>
> > doesn't make revenge a generic explanation for human behavior.
>
> > Simpatice
>
> > Serena
>
> It also doesn't not make revenge a generic explanation for human behaviour. It applies where it applies and doesn't where it does not.

Gee, thanks for treating us to some warmed-over slop of Werner-
Wizdom. We just love the little trip back in time.

 I say it appears to be a part of the behaviour found in
alt.fan.landmark. The resident "critics"here seem highly motivated by
revenge but unwilling to include that in the discussion.

Sez who?

With the exception of Ellen perhaps, who appears to be open with her
spite revenge agenda.

On the contrary, and WITHOUT exception; the desire and impulse for
revenge/restitution/retribution and "justice" is innate and a part of
our human DNA, the history of which has been carried along the tide of
human failings since we walked upright. Long ago and far away, some
of the smarter of us came to the conclusion that we were better served
if such impulses were corralled and controlled, limited to such
institutions as courts, judges, juries, and such-like, or, failing
those, to the lord above in his almighty wizdom. The right to
criticize, however, is part of our very Western heritage. ~Frame~ it
however you wish -- to attempt to silence one's critics is the first
(or second or third) step on the road to destruction for the tyrants,
dictators, and gurus of this world. And dismissing it as spite, or
whatever, isn't going to make it any better for you in the long run.
You are being used as a ~tool~ in Werner's ~tool-chest.~ Recognize it
or not, you tool.



Ellen

[bentot]

On Thu, 2 May 2013 13:00:18 -0700 (PDT), Ellen <elle...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Speaking of wasting spit........

[bentot]

Would that device help get the TV back from the stoned snatcher?

[bentot]

On Wed, 01 May 2013 16:15:25 -0700, bentot <bento...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

I forgot to mention condescending.........

>Have any more to unload?

So...have any more to dump?

[tubby]

On May 3, 10:24 am, bentot <bentot1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 1 May 2013 20:55:28 -0700 (PDT), patrick
>
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> <patrickda...@linuxmail.org> wrote:
> >On Wednesday, May 1, 2013 8:44:18 PM UTC-5, bentot wrote:
> >> On Wed, 1 May 2013 18:19:57 -0700 (PDT), Caligari
>

Wonderful technology Ben.
We bought a key holder that also has a minute Video Camera disguised
as a wee torch attached to it.
It cost about $15 i think.
Novelty item.
Don't know how long it will last but still impressive.
Cheers runo

[Serena Nordstrup]

So clearly that I couldn't follow, and dismissed the lot as blanket
accusation.

> Stop the torment.
> Accept that your behavior is pure Circle Jerking and move on!!!!

I'll go right back to asking simple questions to get straight
answers. Like what connection do you detect between Nietzsche's "the
Subjective' and ~experience~?

[Ellen]

On May 2, 7:24 pm, bentot <bentot1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 01 May 2013 16:15:25 -0700, bentot <bentot1...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
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> >On Wed, 1 May 2013 13:17:38 -0700 (PDT), Ellen <ellena...@gmail.com>

It's only as condescending as your ~interpretation,~ you tool. (Some
((other person)) might see it as a life-line out of stupidity.)

I see (tic) why you were so easily seduced and such easy fodder for
Werner and his friends; you resort to the ~victim~ role and habitually
position yourself there, all the while wanting desperately to escape
to the ~victor/winner/owner/boss-hog~ seat where you image yourself to
really belong and be deserving of perching your big, fat behind.
Werner "offered" you a ticket to that seat. Too bad it was bogus, and
yet you haven't figured out the scam in all these years. How is that?



Ellen

[bentot]

On Fri, 3 May 2013 13:58:03 -0700 (PDT), Ellen <elle...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Is that all you've got? Some of your older diatribes were notably
longer and more insulting. Wanna give it another shot? Your fans
await.

bentot

[Serena Nordstrup]

On 5 May, 11:50, bentot <bentot1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 3 May 2013 13:58:03 -0700 (PDT), Ellen <ellena...@gmail.com>

you want insults -- you get incisive dissections of rosenbergist
scamming. Tough.

[patrick]

On Thursday, April 11, 2013 7:49:57 AM UTC-5, TJ wrote:
> On Thursday, April 11, 2013 4:33:25 AM UTC-4, Serena Nordstrup wrote:
>
> > On Apr 11, 1:32 am, TJ <thetroublewitht...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > > Is there some rule that you don't talk about revenge if you are in REVENGE CLUB? Seems totally a untouchable topic in alt.fan.revenge, AKA alt.fan.landmark. Can someone fill me in? (preferably Caligari)
>
> >
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> >
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> >
>
> > Revenge can make for dramatic plots -- and thus stirring movies. That
>
> >
>
> > doesn't make revenge a generic explanation for human behavior.
>
> >
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> >
>
> >
>
> > Simpatice
>
> >
>
> > Serena
>
>
>
> It also doesn't not make revenge a generic explanation for human behaviour. It applies where it applies and doesn't where it does not. I say it appears to be a part of the behaviour found in alt.fan.landmark. The resident "critics"here seem highly motivated by revenge but unwilling to include that in the discussion. With the exception of Ellen perhaps, who appears to be open with her spite revenge agenda.

rofl, this is a little much :)

[tubby]

What is a " little much" Patrick.

I'm curious to what you see to be so funny

Are you taking over as Forum Leader or not????

Isn't that what you requested?????

Cheers

[tubby]

" Landmark Forum leaders send out quick-read, powerful insights
regularly by email on topics such as relationships, courage,
integrity, performance, leadership, communication, and what it takes
to create the life you want."

I received this Email heading and have signed you up as an interested
party my wonderful gracious Muse NORDSTROOOP


I do hope it meets your standards and that maybe it may help you in
your Communications so as you can be " understood"


Regards from your admirer down under.

[patrick]

On Wednesday, May 8, 2013 8:39:22 PM UTC-5, tubby wrote:
> On May 9, 10:42 am, patrick <patrickda...@linuxmail.org> wrote:
>
> > On Thursday, April 11, 2013 7:49:57 AM UTC-5, TJ wrote:
>
> > > On Thursday, April 11, 2013 4:33:25 AM UTC-4, Serena Nordstrup wrote:
>
> >
>
> > > > On Apr 11, 1:32 am, TJ <thetroublewitht...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > > > > Is there some rule that you don't talk about revenge if you are in REVENGE CLUB? Seems totally a untouchable topic in alt.fan.revenge, AKA alt.fan.landmark. Can someone fill me in? (preferably Caligari)
>
> >
>
> > > > Revenge can make for dramatic plots  -- and thus stirring movies. That
>
> >
>
> > > > doesn't make revenge a generic explanation for human behavior.
>
> >
>
> > > > Simpatice
>
> >
>
> > > > Serena
>
> >
>
> > > It also doesn't not make revenge a generic explanation for human behaviour. It applies where it applies and doesn't where it does not.  I say it appears to be a part of the behaviour found in alt.fan.landmark. The resident "critics"here seem highly motivated by revenge but unwilling to include that in the discussion. With the exception of Ellen perhaps, who appears to be open with her spite revenge agenda.
>
> >
>
> > rofl, this is a little much :)
>
>
>
> What is a " little much" Patrick.
>

what i thought was a little much was tl's move on the critics.
if we are the critics then we have to be launching revenge attacks of some sort.

do u believe most critics of landmark are revenge attacking ?

>
>
> I'm curious to what you see to be so funny
>
>
>
> Are you taking over as Forum Leader or not????

i would call it something else but it could mimic the forum and have
results.

>
>
>
> Isn't that what you requested?????

yes it is actually :)


>
>
>
> Cheers

[patrick]

can u strip them of any identifying parts and share them with us :)

[Serena Nordstrup]

Now insights about topics such as rosenbergism might prove of interest
and even "on-topic" at alt.fan.landmark ...

One might presume that the so-called ~leaders~ have certain skills and
training in delivering portentous drivel, but give us a sample which
demonstrates otherwise.

> I received this Email heading and have signed you up as an interested
> party my wonderful gracious Muse NORDSTROOOP

You mean me? I have received nothing. Can you transcribe the letters N
O R D S T R U P ?

> I do hope it meets your standards  and that maybe it may help you in
> your Communications so as you can be " understood"

Such ~communication~ might prove counter-productive. After all, we
know the rosenbergist dictum about ~understanding~ as "the booby-
prize".

[tubby]

On May 9, 11:58 am, patrick <patrickda...@linuxmail.org> wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 8, 2013 8:39:22 PM UTC-5, tubby wrote:
> > On May 9, 10:42 am, patrick <patrickda...@linuxmail.org> wrote:
>
> > > On Thursday, April 11, 2013 7:49:57 AM UTC-5, TJ wrote:
>
> > > > On Thursday, April 11, 2013 4:33:25 AM UTC-4, Serena Nordstrup wrote:
>
> > > > > On Apr 11, 1:32 am, TJ <thetroublewitht...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Is there some rule that you don't talk about revenge if you are in REVENGE CLUB? Seems totally a untouchable topic in alt.fan.revenge, AKA alt.fan.landmark. Can someone fill me in? (preferably Caligari)
>
> > > > > Revenge can make for dramatic plots  -- and thus stirring movies. That
>
> > > > > doesn't make revenge a generic explanation for human behavior.
>
> > > > > Simpatice
>
> > > > > Serena
>
> > > > It also doesn't not make revenge a generic explanation for human behaviour. It applies where it applies and doesn't where it does not.  I say it appears to be a part of the behaviour found in alt.fan.landmark. The resident "critics"here seem highly motivated by revenge but unwilling to include that in the discussion. With the exception of Ellen perhaps, who appears to be open with her spite revenge agenda.
>
> > > rofl, this is a little much :)
>
> > What is a " little much" Patrick.
>
> what i thought was a little much was tl's move on the critics.
> if we are the critics then we have to be launching revenge attacks of some sort.
>
> do u believe most critics of landmark are revenge attacking ?

Patrick what would be the motivation for it. Most of us gained some
benefit from attending the
workshops and are happy with the results we experienced.

Revenge stands for old testament values, ' An eye for an eye........
tooth.
Also if you have been watching too much TV of that genre.
It seems fashionable now to seek revenge?????

Cheers

[tubby]

Its all in the posts of the past Patrick.
Just look in the Archives.

cheers bruno

[tubby]

Right that ' s why I rang the organisation and told them you may be
interested.
I suggested they send you information on Integrity and Communication.

>
> One might presume that the so-called ~leaders~ have certain skills and
> training in delivering portentous drivel, but give us a sample which
> demonstrates otherwise.

That 's an assumption on your part dear Muse . You would not know
what
skills they have or not have.
Unless of course Pau attended a workshop and your other self was not
there!!!!

>
> > I received this Email heading and have signed you up as an interested
> > party my wonderful gracious Muse NORDSTROOOP
>
> You mean me? I have received nothing. Can you transcribe the letters N
> O R D S T R U P ?

Oh Is that another alias??/

>
> > I do hope it meets your standards  and that maybe it may help you in
> > your Communications so as you can be " understood"
>
> Such ~communication~ might prove counter-productive. After all, we
> know the rosenbergist dictum about ~understanding~ as "the booby-
> prize".

Yep it certainly could be the Booby prize unless of course you took
action
and improved your communication so you could be understood.

Cheers

[Serena Nordstrup]

Where within the archives, Bruno?

[Serena Nordstrup]

Interested in undermining the org's commercial secrecy by distributing
their tripe on alt.fan.landmark ? -- Bruno, I didn't know that you
cared...

> I suggested they send you information on Integrity  and Communication.

And they responded ?

> > One might presume that the so-called ~leaders~ have certain skills and
> > training in delivering portentous drivel, but give us a sample which
> > demonstrates otherwise.
>
> That 's an assumption on your part dear Muse . You would not know
> what
> skills they have or not have.

Precisely, so give us a sample which demonstrates something other
than portentous drivel..

> Unless of course Pau attended a workshop and your other self was not
> there!!!!

What sort of sampling of the range of so-called ~leaders~ does a
single so-called ~workshop~ provide, Bruno? Do they do a lot of e-
mailing in the course of brow-beating their cowed audiences?

> > > I received this Email heading and have signed you up as an interested
> > > party my wonderful gracious Muse NORDSTROOOP
>
> > You mean me? I have received nothing. Can you transcribe the letters N
> > O R D S T R U P ?
>
> Oh  Is that another alias??/

Letters, Bruno. You may have learned about letters when you started
your conventional education.

> > > I do hope it meets your standards  and that maybe it may help you in
> > > your Communications so as you can be " understood"
>
> > Such ~communication~ might prove counter-productive. After all, we
> > know the rosenbergist dictum about ~understanding~ as "the booby-
> > prize".
>
> Yep it certainly could be the Booby prize unless of course you took
> action
> and improved your communication so you could be understood.

Does the rosenbergist dictum about ~understanding~ as "the booby-
prize" come in the context of any riders urging one make oneself
understood ? -- In rosenbergism, ~communication~ means emotion-laden
obfuscation rather than defensible clarity...

Slipperily and slimily
Serena