Pick a bone with Laurence and also Werner by association
tubby Tanner
How dare he ask for that.
Werner you should also be ashamed for placing those ideas in his head.
Cheers
Please go to
http://laurenceplatt.home.att.net/wernererhard
then refresh your browser and click
Long Time Gone
Preamble:
Long Time Gone is my salute to Jerome Downes, a true friend, a partner,
an ally, a trail blazer, an inspiration, a student, a teacher, a
manager, an executive, a graduate, a husband, a father, a team player, a
leader, a warrior, and an all round great guy.
Excerpt:
We're somehow always caught off guard, somehow always implausibly
surprised when we get the news people have gone. Speaking only for
myself, I'm surprised we're surprised. I'm quite OK with this mortal
coil eventually running out of gas as it inexorably does. Really I am.
I'm not bothered by it at all. I'm not saddened by it either. This is
the way it is with us human beings, and to not confront it or to
disregard it or to ignore it is to live a life of ungrounded illusion.
Speaking further only for myself, the only time I'm bothered or saddened
when I get the news people have gone is if I haven't had or haven't
taken the opportunity to express everything there is to be said between
us so there's nothing between us left unsaid getting in the way of I
Love You. I'm bothered and/or saddened by it only inasmuch as if there's
something between us left unsaid getting in the way of I Love You, it
leaves the possibility of relationship unfulfilled. And in our case,
between you and me there's nothing left unsaid. There's nothing left
unsaid getting in the way of I Love You. And I'm not bothered or
saddened simply because you've gone, simply because the mortal coil ran
out of gas as it inexorably does. That dishonors and disrespects the way
it is with us human beings. It dishonors you. It disrespects you. It
imposes my arrogance and my attachment on your freedom to go.
Thank You for Your Listening.
With my Love,
Laurence
HAPPYsamurai
> Laurence just wants unfullfilled relationships finalised.
(how can death be anything less than final?)
> How dare he ask for that.
yes Bruno - wouldn't you be better asking him if it really matters?
> Werner you should also be ashamed for placing those ideas in his head.
does it matter if anyone sticks ideas in other peoples heads Bruno?
what's the worst that could happen?
>
> Cheers
>
> Please go to
>
> http://laurenceplatt.home.att.net/wernererhard
>
> then refresh your browser and click
>
> Long Time Gone
>
> Preamble:
>
> Long Time Gone is my salute to Jerome Downes, a true friend, a partner,
> an ally, a trail blazer, an inspiration, a student, a teacher, a
> manager, an executive, a graduate, a husband, a father, a team player, a
> leader, a warrior, and an all round great guy.
does it matter lawry?
>
> Excerpt:
>
> We're somehow always caught off guard,
don't worry that doesn't matter
>somehow always implausibly
> surprised when we get the news people have gone. Speaking only for
> myself, I'm surprised we're surprised. I'm quite OK with this mortal
> coil eventually running out of gas as it inexorably does. Really I am.
> I'm not bothered by it at all. I'm not saddened by it either. This is
> the way it is with us human beings, and to not confront it or to
> disregard it or to ignore it is to live a life of ungrounded illusion.
ah so unphased by the mystery of human connection and emotional bonds
> Speaking further only for myself, the only time I'm bothered or saddened
> when I get the news people have gone is if I haven't had or haven't
> taken the opportunity to express everything there is to be said between
> us so there's nothing between us left unsaid getting in the way of I
> Love You. I'm bothered and/or saddened by it only inasmuch as if there's
> something between us left unsaid getting in the way of I Love You, it
> leaves the possibility of relationship unfulfilled.
it's all about you lawry baby
but that doesn't matter either
>And in our case,
> between you and me there's nothing left unsaid. There's nothing left
> unsaid getting in the way of I Love You. And I'm not bothered or
> saddened simply because you've gone, simply because the mortal coil ran
> out of gas as it inexorably does. That dishonors and disrespects the way
> it is with us human beings. It dishonors you. It disrespects you. It
> imposes my arrogance and my attachment on your freedom to go.
>
not sure how this 'leads" to a "relevant" association with werner tho
Bruno
did lawry give this dissertation at harvard too?
hmmm - I am reminded of a Chinese philosopher who lost a dear friend
his friend was the only one he could discuss certain subjects of depth
with
and he did miss this
still this isn't about the finalisation of a relationship - it's about
missing a friend
so Bruno
how can we finalise our relation -ship?
is it a valid goal to be in integrity with?
will it increase the workability of the conversation?
does it matter?
Tex
>
> - Show quoted text -
Happy,
As much as I think Laurence is a narcissistic head case, he is
eulogizing an old friend here.
Your post also indicates you are a stupid shit and a jerk.
Were you a mental patient at some pont in time?
Perhaps you shared a room with Avrarat.
What an asshole.
HAPPYsamurai
Eulogising or FINALISING
what was the point of the thread
to evoke sympathy ?
or discuss FINALISATION
>
> Your post also indicates you are a stupid shit and a jerk.
that's right attack the messenger - what hi falutin school of debate
is this
i think you'll missed my ...
> > hmmm - I am reminded of a Chinese philosopher who lost a dear friend
>
> > his friend was the only one he could discuss certain subjects of depth
> > with
>
> > and he did miss this
>
> > still this isn't about the finalisation of a relationship - it's about
> > missing a friend
> Were you a mental patient at some pont in time?
attack the poster not the post
what's a matter tex
> Perhaps you shared a room with Avrarat.
> What an asshole.
was lawry's friend your's and bruno's too
I ask again - what was the point of the thread - finalisation - or
some plea for symathy for some dead guy none of us have met
how come you don't attack wayne like this for attacking the memory of
dead people?
what schism of consciousness is yet undiagnosed ?
---
let me rephrase
O Bruno how sad I am about the death of lawry's friend
death is always sad
let us attack wayne for taking the piss out of dead posters on AVA
together
come on tex - tell me what an asshole Wayne is
tex
>
> - Show quoted text -
OK Hap,
your numerous POSTS indicate to me you are a deeply disturbed,
confused individual.
I did know Jerome Downes.
I wouldn't call him a friend.
He was an est Trainer I met a few times.
He was once married to Jane Downes.
Although Laurence is nuts, his posts seem positively coherent and
"meaningful" compared to yours.
So what is your intention with regard to your voluminous yet empty
postings?
My conclusion????
You're just another nut in need of medication.
Serena Nordstrup
Laurence didn't post that stuff here -- perhaps he learned not to.
Bruno re-posted Laurence's drivel and still invited comment.
Not everyone regards Laurence's work as sacred scripture.
Not all old friendships make the world a better or a more sentimental
place.
Does it matter, Tex?
> Your post also indicates you are a stupid shit and a jerk.
How does it do that, Tex?
> Were you a mental patient at some pont in time?
My in-brain dictionary suggests "pont" refers to a "bridge" in French.
> Perhaps you shared a room with Avrarat.
For how long?
> What an asshole.
How rosenbergist of you to say so...
Does it matter?
Serena Nordstrup
Ah: a clearly-labeled personal interpretation, even if couched in the
form of an assertion!
> I did know Jerome Downes.
> I wouldn't call him a friend.
> He was an est Trainer
uh-oh...
> I met a few times.
> He was once married to Jane Downes.
... and therefore... ?
> Although Laurence is nuts, his posts seem positively coherent and
> "meaningful" compared to yours.
~So~ which of the two gentlemen under discussion best expresses the
rosenbergist attachment to meaninglessness?
> So what is your intention with regard to your voluminous yet empty
> postings?
> My conclusion????
> You're just another nut in need of medication.
Now if we'd had more drugs prescribed for us as kiddies we nuts might
not need so much medication now...
Sophomorically
Serena
Eldon
I personally am most bothered by the metaphor of the mortal coil
running out of gas. When Shakespeare used the phrase "shuffled off
this mortal coil," he was talking about casting off the trials and
tribulations of life. So has Laurence reframed the mortal coil as an
SUV that didn't make it to the nearest gas station? Or a camping stove
that ran out of propane?
Please pardon my possible semantic snobbery here, but that irks me.
tubby Tanner
As I undersatnd it the article is basically about saying whatever you wish
to say to someone
that completes and fullfills that particular relationship.
There was nothing left unsaid between us
.
I think that what Laurence is saying.
Can't understand all the hulla balla that has caused.
If I was able to do that I would also be fullfilled , I think
A valuable insight into human relations???????
Cheers
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tubby Tanner
"Serena Nordstrup" <s_nor...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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uh-oh...
... and therefore... ?
Care to share the medication you are presently on and the side effects
caused.
Mine is not working presently and I could use a differnt dose.
Cheers
Sophomorically
Serena
tubby Tanner
On Jan 3, 6:02 am, Tex <ritter_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jan 1, 9:21 pm, HAPPYsamurai <profstock...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 2 Jan, 15:02, "tubby Tanner" <tub...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>
> > > Laurence just wants unfullfilled relationships finalised.
>
> > (how can death be anything less than final?)
>
> > > How dare he ask for that.
>
> > yes Bruno - wouldn't you be better asking him if it really matters?
>
> > > Werner you should also be ashamed for placing those ideas in his head.
>
> > does it matter if anyone sticks ideas in other peoples heads Bruno?
>
> > what's the worst that could happen?
All the Ranters would be ranting over Werners involvement for the next three
years
thats whats wrong with that.
Didn't Werner implant the idea that by communicatiing with each other
relationships would be fullfilled.
Making certain whatever had to be said was said!!!!!!!!!!
>
> > did lawry give this dissertation at harvard too?
>
> > hmmm - I am reminded of a Chinese philosopher who lost a dear friend
>
> > his friend was the only one he could discuss certain subjects of depth
> > with
>
> > and he did miss this
>
> > still this isn't about the finalisation of a relationship - it's about
> > missing a friend
>
> > so Bruno
>
> > how can we finalise our relation -ship?
By being honest , open and forgiving.
>
> > is it a valid goal to be in integrity with?
>
> > will it increase the workability of the conversation?
>
> > does it matter?- Hide quoted text -
I think so!!!!!!
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Happy,
>
> As much as I think Laurence is a narcissistic head case, he is
> eulogizing an old friend here.
Laurence didn't post that stuff here -- perhaps he learned not to.
Bruno re-posted Laurence's drivel and still invited comment.
Why is it drivel Oh Fair Muse and which particular part to you find most
drivelling?????
Not everyone regards Laurence's work as sacred scripture.
Who said it was "sacred scripture" my fair Muse.
I think it has insight and worthy of consideration.
Not all old friendships make the world a better or a more sentimental
place.
No, what proof do you have to state that!!!!!!!!!!!
Tasting a bit nutty fair Muse?????
Best wishes for the New Year
cheers
tubby Tanner
Is that all you are worried about oh fair muse. What happened to the poetry,
Music and literature ?????
> I did know Jerome Downes.
> I wouldn't call him a friend.
> He was an est Trainer
uh-oh...
> I met a few times.
> He was once married to Jane Downes.
... and therefore... ?
> Although Laurence is nuts, his posts seem positively coherent and
> "meaningful" compared to yours.
~So~ which of the two gentlemen under discussion best expresses the
rosenbergist attachment to meaninglessness?
Whoever you choose oh fair Muse, after all you have all that special power
you talked about????.
> So what is your intention with regard to your voluminous yet empty
> postings?
> My conclusion????
> You're just another nut in need of medication.
Now if we'd had more drugs prescribed for us as kiddies we nuts might
not need so much medication now...
Again please send me you prescription as I also am badly in need of anothe
fix.
Sophomorically
Serena
tubby Tanner
"tubby Tanner" <tub...@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
news:4b4098a3$0$32748$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
No I never knew him. It was much before my time of involvement
in Landmark.
>
> I ask again - what was the point of the thread - finalisation - or
> some plea for symathy for some dead guy none of us have met
Possibly finalisation whatever that may mean for you.
Happ. I'm surprised you were not able to pick up
on what I think Laurence was trying to say.
A work friend of my wife our lost her husband a few years ago. She is
still pining and living in misery
because of her loss.
They were very much in love even after 30 years of marriage, and on the few
occasions
that we had them around for dinner I would later remark to my wife later
how her husband would
gently touch her all the time just like young lovers do. She also had
noticed the wonderful sensual
body language that this couple immersed themselves continually even after 30
years of marriage.
He died suddenly and the fact he had left so suddenly and that she was not
able to possibly communicate
her last thoughts to him I believe is causing her this grief and pain.
She can't bear to live without him now and pines away.
This unfinished business or communication between people I think is an
important part of living that helps us
to cope when someone suddenly dies.
Our work friend never got that chance .
Laurence did.
Cheers
Again I'm surprised at the personal attacks Laurence;s article has invoked.
Is it the thought of death that is worryiing us all and putting us on
edge?????
Do we need to say anything to each other before someone else falls of the
perch?
cHEERs
Eldon
> "tubby Tanner" <tub...@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
>
> news:4b4098a3$0$32748$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
>
>
>
> > Hi Happ,
>
> > As I undersatnd it the article is basically about saying whatever you wish
> > to say to someone
> > that completes and fullfills that particular relationship.
> > There was nothing left unsaid between us
> > .
> > I think that what Laurence is saying.
>
> > Can't understand all the hulla balla that has caused.
>
> > If I was able to do that I would also be fullfilled , I think
>
> > A valuable insight into human relations???????
>
> > Cheers
>
That's well known. Why don't you suggest to this lady that she enroll
in a grief counseling group? One of the exercises they typically do is
have the survivor write a letter to the deceased stating whatever was
unsaid. It's said to be pretty effective.
Tex
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
That was one of the exercises in the est Training. ;-)
Serena Nordstrup
> "Serena Nordstrup" <s_nordst...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
Would Tex regard you too as a nut, Bruno?
If so, the medicating might have at least one point in common.
> Mine is not working presently and I could use a differnt dose.
Stronger?
> Cheers
>
> Sophomorically
> Serena
Serena Nordstrup
> "Serena Nordstrup" <s_nordst...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
No worries on that score.
What happened to the poetry, Music and literature ?????
All of them still lurking in their habitual nests.
> > I did know Jerome Downes.
> > I wouldn't call him a friend.
> > He was an est Trainer
>
> uh-oh...
>
> > I met a few times.
> > He was once married to Jane Downes.
>
> ... and therefore... ?
>
> > Although Laurence is nuts, his posts seem positively coherent and
> > "meaningful" compared to yours.
>
> ~So~ which of the two gentlemen under discussion best expresses the
> rosenbergist attachment to meaninglessness?
>
> Whoever you choose oh fair Muse,
Forget that ~choose~ nonsense and work from the available evidence.
> after all you have all that special power
> you talked about????.
Your reference here escapes me entirely.
> > So what is your intention with regard to your voluminous yet empty
> > postings?
> > My conclusion????
> > You're just another nut in need of medication.
>
> Now if we'd had more drugs prescribed for us as kiddies we nuts might
> not need so much medication now...
>
> Again please send me you prescription as I also am badly in need of anothe
> fix.
But what if we have different medical backgrounds or conditions?
> Sophomorically
> Serena
Serena Nordstrup
> "tubby Tanner" <tub...@optusnet.com.au> wrote in message
>
> news:4b4098a3$0$32748$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au...
>
>
>
> > Hi Happ,
>
> > As I undersatnd it the article is basically about saying whatever you wish
> > to say to someone
> > that completes and fullfills that particular relationship.
> > There was nothing left unsaid between us
> > .
> > I think that what Laurence is saying.
>
> > Can't understand all the hulla balla that has caused.
>
> > If I was able to do that I would also be fullfilled , I think
>
> > A valuable insight into human relations???????
>
> > Cheers
>
I cannot tell which thoughts to identify as my last thoughts. Can you
help me. Bruno?
> I believe is causing her this grief and pain.
No doubt you have grounds for this eccentrick belief.
> She can't bear to live without him now and pines away.
>
> This unfinished business or communication between people I think is an
> important part of living that helps us
> to cope when someone suddenly dies.
This "living", Bruno -- it has something to do with that undefined
~life~ thing you keep rambling on about?
> Our work friend never got that chance .
>
> Laurence did.
>
> Cheers
>
> Again I'm surprised at the personal attacks Laurence;s article has invoked.
Just think of Lawrence as a repetitious mouthpiece for rosenbergist
claptrap -- and your surprise will evaporate in the process of thought
itself.
> Is it the thought of death that is worryiing us all and putting us on
> edge?????
Is it the thought of stopping beating your wife that causes 79 percent
of the famine in north-central Africa and makes the clergy in Bolivia
bilious?
> Do we need to say anything to each other before someone else falls of the
> perch?
No.
Slimily
Serena
tubby Tanner
Oh I see this is where your special powers come in. You must be psychic and
know everything. No choosing for you Ms Nordsdrop.
Just not your style.
> after all you have all that special power
> you talked about????.
Your reference here escapes me entirely.
You brought it up of what a special child you were and how you may have been
misunderstood by your peers or tutors???
> > So what is your intention with regard to your voluminous yet empty
> > postings?
> > My conclusion????
> > You're just another nut in need of medication.
>
> Now if we'd had more drugs prescribed for us as kiddies we nuts might
> not need so much medication now...
>
> Again please send me you prescription as I also am badly in need of anothe
> fix.
But what if we have different medical backgrounds or conditions?
Let me check the medication and then I will report back to you whether
its of any use.
It my "Choice"
> Sophomorically
> Serena
tubby Tanner
You never have o fair Muse, so I wouldn't worry about it.
Not in your Nature.
> I believe is causing her this grief and pain.
No doubt you have grounds for this eccentrick belief.
Do you want the evidence oh fair Muse.
Perception of the problem is not good enough for you???????
> She can't bear to live without him now and pines away.
>
> This unfinished business or communication between people I think is an
> important part of living that helps us
> to cope when someone suddenly dies.
This "living", Bruno -- it has something to do with that undefined
~life~ thing you keep rambling on about?
Well maybe thats why I have great problems comunicating with you.
If you don't know what living or life means, are you living on the psychic
plane maybe???
Are you talking to us in spirit?????
No wonder you are asking all this basic questions
Now I think I understand??????
> Our work friend never got that chance .
>
> Laurence did.
>
> Cheers
>
> Again I'm surprised at the personal attacks Laurence;s article has
> invoked.
Just think of Lawrence as a repetitious mouthpiece for rosenbergist
claptrap -- and your surprise will evaporate in the process of thought
itself.
Care to explain just what the claptrap in the articleis????
Tell me exactly what you see.
> Is it the thought of death that is worryiing us all and putting us on
> edge?????
Is it the thought of stopping beating your wife that causes 79 percent
of the famine in north-central Africa and makes the clergy in Bolivia
bilious?
> Do we need to say anything to each other before someone else falls of the
> perch?
No.
So you are complete and whole in all your relationships????
Well you must be as the local Muse and annointed one.
I'm sorry I had not noticed that!!!!!!
Please forgive me and my impertenance in asking.
Cheers
Slimily
Serena
tubby Tanner
"Eldon" <Eldo...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Thanks for the advice Eldon. I doubt she would be interested but I will
pass on that advice at the right moment.
Did you see Tex's comment that this also was an excercise in Forum or
advanced Forum
Funny that??
Serena Nordstrup
> "Serena Nordstrup" <s_nordst...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
>
> news:39e53ad9-1c32-4e70...@s31g2000yqs.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 3, 6:02 am, Tex <ritter_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jan 1, 9:21 pm, HAPPYsamurai <profstock...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > > On 2 Jan, 15:02, "tubby Tanner" <tub...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>
> > > > Laurence just wants unfullfilled relationships finalised.
>
> > > (how can death be anything less than final?)
>
> > > > How dare he ask for that.
>
> > > yes Bruno - wouldn't you be better asking him if it really matters?
>
> > > > Werner you should also be ashamed for placing those ideas in his head.
>
> > > does it matter if anyone sticks ideas in other peoples heads Bruno?
>
> > > what's the worst that could happen?
>
> All the Ranters would be ranting over Werners involvement for the next three
> years
> thats whats wrong with that.
All?
Wherever these "ranters" come from, if they expose the silliness of
Jack Rosenberg they do the world a service. Surely you do not object
to having fruitful discussions on the deficiencies of rosenbergism,
Bruno?
Jack Rosenberg may have tried the old implantation, but his shallow
ideas have borne little fruit.
Do you have a fulfilled ~relationship~ with the United Nations
Organization based on two-way ~communication~, Bruno?
> Making certain whatever had to be said was said!!!!!!!!!!
And what arcane and eclectic High priesthood determined what "had to
be said"?
> > > did lawry give this dissertation at harvard too?
>
> > > hmmm - I am reminded of a Chinese philosopher who lost a dear friend
>
> > > his friend was the only one he could discuss certain subjects of depth
> > > with
>
> > > and he did miss this
>
> > > still this isn't about the finalisation of a relationship - it's about
> > > missing a friend
>
> > > so Bruno
>
> > > how can we finalise our relation -ship?
>
> By being honest , open and forgiving.
Sounds like a good recipe for killing a ~relationship~. By "finalise"
we mean "kill" ?
> > > is it a valid goal to be in integrity with?
>
> > > will it increase the workability of the conversation?
>
> > > does it matter?- Hide quoted text -
>
> I think so!!!!!!
You favor ~being~ "in integrity with" some sort of goal? -- Pray
explain!
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Happy,
>
> > As much as I think Laurence is a narcissistic head case, he is
> > eulogizing an old friend here.
>
> Laurence didn't post that stuff here -- perhaps he learned not to.
>
> Bruno re-posted Laurence's drivel and still invited comment.
>
> Why is it drivel Oh Fair Muse and which particular part to you find most
> drivelling?????
Undiluted, unenhanced rosenbergism does strike me as drivel, Bruno.
Such a narrow view of our world!
> Not everyone regards Laurence's work as sacred scripture.
>
> Who said it was "sacred scripture"
Nobody. By reminding us that "not everyone regards Laurence's work as
sacred scripture" I remind Tex that we can critique every word that
Lawrence spews out and that you, Bruno, see fit to inflict upon this
newsgroup.
> my fair Muse.
Who?
> I think it has insight and worthy of consideration.
Why do you think it has "worthy of consideration"?
> Not all old friendships make the world a better or a more sentimental
> place.
>
> No, what proof do you have to state that!!!!!!!!!!!
We could select an Italian example for you:
"In May 1939, the Germans and Italians cemented their friendship with
the Pact of Steel." -- according to
http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/italy_and_germany_1936_to_1940.htm
Did the events of the next 6 years in (say) Italy demonstrate that
this friendship made "the world a better or a more sentimental place",
Bruno?
> Tasting a bit nutty fair Muse?????
Nobody has bitten much off lately.
> Best wishes for the New Year
Likewise!
> cheers
>
> Does it matter, Tex?
>
> > Your post also indicates you are a stupid shit and a jerk.
>
> How does it do that, Tex?
>
> > Were you a mental patient at some pont in time?
>
> My in-brain dictionary suggests "pont" refers to a "bridge" in French.
>
> > Perhaps you shared a room with Avrarat.
>
> For how long?
>
> > What an asshole.
>
> How rosenbergist of you to say so...
>
> Does it matter?
The crowd catches its breath...
tubby Tanner
On Jan 4, 2:32 am, "tubby Tanner" <tub...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> "Serena Nordstrup" <s_nordst...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
>
> news:39e53ad9-1c32-4e70...@s31g2000yqs.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 3, 6:02 am, Tex <ritter_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jan 1, 9:21 pm, HAPPYsamurai <profstock...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > > On 2 Jan, 15:02, "tubby Tanner" <tub...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>
> > > > Laurence just wants unfullfilled relationships finalised.
>
> > > (how can death be anything less than final?)
>
> > > > How dare he ask for that.
>
> > > yes Bruno - wouldn't you be better asking him if it really matters?
>
> > > > Werner you should also be ashamed for placing those ideas in his
> > > > head.
>
> > > does it matter if anyone sticks ideas in other peoples heads Bruno?
>
> > > what's the worst that could happen?
>
> All the Ranters would be ranting over Werners involvement for the next
> three
> years
> thats whats wrong with that.
All?
Wherever these "ranters" come from, if they expose the silliness of
Jack Rosenberg they do the world a service. Surely you do not object
to having fruitful discussions on the deficiencies of rosenbergism,
Bruno?
Not at all, when they are honest and fair.
However I find your fruitfull discussions rather woody and a we too
generalised. Get a bit of meat into your discussions rather than your one
liners??
You are not a script writer are you????
Okay matter of opinion though???
Do you have a fulfilled ~relationship~ with the United Nations
Organization based on two-way ~communication~, Bruno?
No I don't . do you???????
Oh I get it you are their Muse???????
> Making certain whatever had to be said was said!!!!!!!!!!
And what arcane and eclectic High priesthood determined what "had to
be said"?
You do. Ain't that simple.
Why do we need any authority figure to determine what was said????
> > > did lawry give this dissertation at harvard too?
>
> > > hmmm - I am reminded of a Chinese philosopher who lost a dear friend
>
> > > his friend was the only one he could discuss certain subjects of depth
> > > with
>
> > > and he did miss this
>
> > > still this isn't about the finalisation of a relationship - it's about
> > > missing a friend
>
> > > so Bruno
>
> > > how can we finalise our relation -ship?
>
> By being honest , open and forgiving.
Sounds like a good recipe for killing a ~relationship~. By "finalise"
we mean "kill" ?
Hang on who is we in this case??????????
What is it about openess, honesty or forgiveness that disturbs you ???
> > > is it a valid goal to be in integrity with?
>
> > > will it increase the workability of the conversation?
>
> > > does it matter?- Hide quoted text -
>
> I think so!!!!!!
You favor ~being~ "in integrity with" some sort of goal? -- Pray
explain!
Don't think I said that at all. It must be someone else you can ask that
question to.
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Happy,
>
> > As much as I think Laurence is a narcissistic head case, he is
> > eulogizing an old friend here.
>
> Laurence didn't post that stuff here -- perhaps he learned not to.
>
> Bruno re-posted Laurence's drivel and still invited comment.
>
> Why is it drivel Oh Fair Muse and which particular part to you find most
> drivelling?????
Undiluted, unenhanced rosenbergism does strike me as drivel, Bruno.
Such a narrow view of our world!
Serena Why is it drivel Oh Fair Muse and which particular part to you find
most
drivelling?????
> Not everyone regards Laurence's work as sacred scripture.
>
> Who said it was "sacred scripture"
Nobody. By reminding us that "not everyone regards Laurence's work as
sacred scripture" I remind Tex that we can critique every word that
Lawrence spews out and that you, Bruno, see fit to inflict upon this
newsgroup.
What waffle oh fair Muse.
All semantics and poetry on your behalf.
> my fair Muse.
Who?
MY FAIR MUSE
> I think it has insight and worthy of consideration.
Why do you think it has "worthy of consideration"?
I will tell you after you explain to me the drivel you claim to have
discovered.
> Not all old friendships make the world a better or a more sentimental
> place.
>
> No, what proof do you have to state that!!!!!!!!!!!
We could select an Italian example for you:
"In May 1939, the Germans and Italians cemented their friendship with
the Pact of Steel." -- according to
http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/italy_and_germany_1936_to_1940.htm
Did the events of the next 6 years in (say) Italy demonstrate that
this friendship made "the world a better or a more sentimental place",
Bruno?
Correct but I suppose their is a difference between a political friendship
and a platonic one.
I was refering to our platonic one. The one you and I have.
> Tasting a bit nutty fair Muse?????
Nobody has bitten much off lately.
Wonder why that is so??????
Cheers
HAPPYsamurai
> Hi Happ,
>
> As I undersatnd it the article is basically about saying whatever you wish
> to say to someone
> that completes and fullfills that particular relationship.
> There was nothing left unsaid between us
> .
> I think that what Laurence is saying.
don't get me wrong Bruno - i like it as a strategy
tell people who you are
how you feel
what you think etc
still sometimes staying quiet is a good strategy
and sometimes the communion doesn't "require" words
>
> Can't understand all the hulla balla that has caused.
LOL
me neither
>
> If I was able to do that I would also be fullfilled , I think
shit happens - i thought you had that one down already !
;-)
>
> A valuable insight into human relations???????
Bruno - I don't mean to sound rude - but most of what i enjoy from
werner is basic common sense
but as they say - common sense ain't that common
but, as werner may have said - the insight is only valuable if you can
APPLY it
have been looking for a LM glossary with "finalise" in it - but have
yet to find it
to me this is another one of those "balance" scenarios
sometimes one can rush to "finalise" something, when a little
breathing time would have better served the situation
obviously death and friends traveling away are different scenario - a
"window of opportunity" rule applies
Serena Nordstrup
You have ~interpreted~ my simple statement that the educational
evaluation system may not have reached a clear reading. Completely
standard.
> > > So what is your intention with regard to your voluminous yet empty
> > > postings?
> > > My conclusion????
> > > You're just another nut in need of medication.
>
> > Now if we'd had more drugs prescribed for us as kiddies we nuts might
> > not need so much medication now...
>
> > Again please send me you prescription as I also am badly in need of anothe
> > fix.
>
> But what if we have different medical backgrounds or conditions?
>
> Let me check the medication and then I will report back to you whether
> its of any use.
You HAVE heard of cause-and-effect, right?
And of the multitude of medications and of the various uses to which
medical science can put each one and the combinations thereof?
> It my "Choice"
"Nay, not so, but far otherwise."
Slipperily
Serena
Serena Nordstrup
> "Serena Nordstrup" <s_nordst...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
but if you can speculate about your wife's colleague's "last thoughts"
you could speculate about other peoples' "last thoughts" too, no?
> Not in your Nature.
>
> > I believe is causing her this grief and pain.
>
> No doubt you have grounds for this eccentrick belief.
>
> Do you want the evidence oh fair Muse.
> Perception of the problem is not good enough for you???????
You did not simply describe your ~perception~ of an issue: you offer
some sort of diagnosis when you claim: "He died suddenly and the fact
he had left so suddenly and that she was not able to possibly
communicate her last thoughts to him I believe is causing her this
grief and pain."
So yes: I certainly do expect to hear your evidence for your
eccentrick belief.
> > She can't bear to live without him now and pines away.
>
> > This unfinished business or communication between people I think is an
> > important part of living that helps us
> > to cope when someone suddenly dies.
>
> This "living", Bruno -- it has something to do with that undefined
> ~life~ thing you keep rambling on about?
>
> Well maybe thats why I have great problems comunicating with you.
> If you don't know what living or life means, are you living on the psychic
> plane maybe???
Whatever your view, you used that "living" word again.
Have you gone around in a circle?
> Are you talking to us in spirit?????
I use (as ever) the mysterious medium of the interwebs.
> No wonder you are asking all this basic questions
> Now I think I understand??????
>
> > Our work friend never got that chance .
>
> > Laurence did.
>
> > Cheers
>
> > Again I'm surprised at the personal attacks Laurence;s article has
> > invoked.
>
> Just think of Lawrence as a repetitious mouthpiece for rosenbergist
> claptrap -- and your surprise will evaporate in the process of thought
> itself.
>
> Care to explain just what the claptrap in the articleis????
> Tell me exactly what you see.
rosenbergism in all its ugliness.
> > Is it the thought of death that is worryiing us all and putting us on
> > edge?????
>
> Is it the thought of stopping beating your wife that causes 79 percent
> of the famine in north-central Africa and makes the clergy in Bolivia
> bilious?
>
> > Do we need to say anything to each other before someone else falls of the
> > perch?
>
> No.
>
> So you are complete and whole in all your relationships????
huh? You deduce all that from a "no"?
> Well you must be as the local Muse and annointed one.
Local planetary?
> I'm sorry I had not noticed that!!!!!!
You'll get over it.
> Please forgive me and my impertenance in asking.
Done. Now about your illogic...
> Cheers
>
> Slimily
> Serena
Serena Nordstrup
What a suggestion! -- I just write scripts.
We can look at Rosenberg's works, his legacy: a ~Hunger project~ that
failed, a string of orgs that had to change their names to shake off
their dodgy reputations, an exile on the run from enemies (real or
imagined), a broken and unhappy "family" featuring abandonment,
bigamy, divorce and estrangement, a succession of legal embroilments,
a lack of recognition from philosophers, psychologists and commercial
operators in general. -- Little fruit, as I said.
> Do you have a fulfilled ~relationship~ with the United Nations
> Organization based on two-way ~communication~, Bruno?
>
> No I don't . do you???????
You neither? -- but then I didn't float "the idea that by
communicatiing with each other relationships would be fullfilled"...
> Oh I get it you are their Muse???????
Presumably a secret muse.
> > Making certain whatever had to be said was said!!!!!!!!!!
>
> And what arcane and eclectic High priesthood determined what "had to
> be said"?
>
> You do. Ain't that simple.
> Why do we need any authority figure to determine what was said????
If you postulate something that "had to be said" you buy into some
sort of prescriptivism, if not compulsion.
> > > > did lawry give this dissertation at harvard too?
>
> > > > hmmm - I am reminded of a Chinese philosopher who lost a dear friend
>
> > > > his friend was the only one he could discuss certain subjects of depth
> > > > with
>
> > > > and he did miss this
>
> > > > still this isn't about the finalisation of a relationship - it's about
> > > > missing a friend
>
> > > > so Bruno
>
> > > > how can we finalise our relation -ship?
>
> > By being honest , open and forgiving.
>
> Sounds like a good recipe for killing a ~relationship~. By "finalise"
> we mean "kill" ?
>
> Hang on who is we in this case??????????
It sounds like a Happy Samurai invention.
> What is it about openess, honesty or forgiveness that disturbs you ???
huh? did I show concern?
> > > > is it a valid goal to be in integrity with?
>
> > > > will it increase the workability of the conversation?
>
> > > > does it matter?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > I think so!!!!!!
>
> You favor ~being~ "in integrity with" some sort of goal? -- Pray
> explain!
>
> Don't think I said that at all. It must be someone else you can ask that
> question to.
My apologies.
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > Happy,
>
> > > As much as I think Laurence is a narcissistic head case, he is
> > > eulogizing an old friend here.
>
> > Laurence didn't post that stuff here -- perhaps he learned not to.
>
> > Bruno re-posted Laurence's drivel and still invited comment.
>
> > Why is it drivel Oh Fair Muse and which particular part to you find most
> > drivelling?????
>
> Undiluted, unenhanced rosenbergism does strike me as drivel, Bruno.
> Such a narrow view of our world!
>
> Serena Why is it drivel Oh Fair Muse and which particular part to you find
> most
> drivelling?????
Let's take a lawrencism almost at random: "That dishonors and
disrespects the way it is with us human beings." Look at the pessimism
and acceptance of is-ness. Observe the arrogant pronouncement of a
just-so. Cringe at the jargon of "disrespects" and 'the way". Flinch
from the haughty dismissal of the high-sounding emptiness of "us human
beings". -- That should do to go on with: we have uncovered drivelling
rosenbergism oozing out like putrid pus from a single sentence.
> > Not everyone regards Laurence's work as sacred scripture.
>
> > Who said it was "sacred scripture"
>
> Nobody. By reminding us that "not everyone regards Laurence's work as
> sacred scripture" I remind Tex that we can critique every word that
> Lawrence spews out and that you, Bruno, see fit to inflict upon this
> newsgroup.
>
> What waffle oh fair Muse.
You mean you disagree? -- Amazing!
> All semantics and poetry on your behalf.
All?
Do you disapprove of poetry and of semantics, Bruno?
> > my fair Muse.
>
> Who?
>
> MY FAIR MUSE
Have you adopted some sort of musean religion wherein you invoke this
muse-figure so frequently?
> > I think it has insight and worthy of consideration.
>
> Why do you think it has "worthy of consideration"?
>
> I will tell you after you explain to me the drivel you claim to have
> discovered.
I make no claim to have discovered the obvious.
> > Not all old friendships make the world a better or a more sentimental
> > place.
>
> > No, what proof do you have to state that!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> We could select an Italian example for you:
>
> "In May 1939, the Germans and Italians cemented their friendship with
> the Pact of Steel." -- according tohttp://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/italy_and_germany_1936_to_1940.htm
> Did the events of the next 6 years in (say) Italy demonstrate that
> this friendship made "the world a better or a more sentimental place",
> Bruno?
>
> Correct but I suppose their is a difference between a political friendship
> and a platonic one.
Why do you suppose that?
Did the Germans and the Italians in 1939 have some sort of non-
platonic friendship?
> I was refering to our platonic one. The one you and I have.
Ah -- the goal-posts just shifted...
> > Tasting a bit nutty fair Muse?????
>
> Nobody has bitten much off lately.
>
> Wonder why that is so??????
Indeed.
tubby Tanner
Don't you worry about that now.
Just tell me the prescription and I will check it out on the internet to see
whether it
may be useful to me.
> It my "Choice"
"Nay, not so, but far otherwise."
UGH??????????
Slipperily
Serena
tubby Tanner
OH its Standard procedure huh. Didn't read like standard procedure to me.
There seemed an aspect of "anointing" or gifted child perhaps???
No such luck for me I was run of the mill total.
> > > So what is your intention with regard to your voluminous yet empty
> > > postings?
> > > My conclusion????
> > > You're just another nut in need of medication.
>
> > Now if we'd had more drugs prescribed for us as kiddies we nuts might
> > not need so much medication now...
>
> > Again please send me you prescription as I also am badly in need of
> > anothe
> > fix.
>
> But what if we have different medical backgrounds or conditions?
>
> Let me check the medication and then I will report back to you whether
> its of any use.
You HAVE heard of cause-and-effect, right?
And of the multitude of medications and of the various uses to which
medical science can put each one and the combinations thereof?
"Don't you worry about that" an ex Governor would say when asked questions
about his actions.
Just send me the prescription and I will check it out on the net and report
back to you whether to send it or not.
> It my "Choice"
"Nay, not so, but far otherwise."
Huh?????
Slipperily
Serena
tubby Tanner
No I'm not psychic like you
I'm just a mere mortal and not a chosen one.
> Not in your Nature.
>
> > I believe is causing her this grief and pain.
>
> No doubt you have grounds for this eccentrick belief.
>
> Do you want the evidence oh fair Muse.
> Perception of the problem is not good enough for you???????
You did not simply describe your ~perception~ of an issue: you offer
some sort of diagnosis when you claim: "He died suddenly and the fact
he had left so suddenly and that she was not able to possibly
communicate her last thoughts to him I believe is causing her this
grief and pain."
So yes: I certainly do expect to hear your evidence for your
eccentrick belief.
Well oh fair Muse, thats what I heard from the bereaved ladies mouth.
She was upset and angry that he had departed so suddenly.
Apparently ther must have been many things left unsaid.
Thats what Laurence is on about in simple terms.
Does it not make some sense?????
> > She can't bear to live without him now and pines away.
>
> > This unfinished business or communication between people I think is an
> > important part of living that helps us
> > to cope when someone suddenly dies.
>
> This "living", Bruno -- it has something to do with that undefined
> ~life~ thing you keep rambling on about?
>
> Well maybe thats why I have great problems comunicating with you.
> If you don't know what living or life means, are you living on the psychic
> plane maybe???
Whatever your view, you used that "living" word again.
Have you gone around in a circle?
No I'm here living and trying to love life to the utmost.
Where are you if I may ask??????
> Are you talking to us in spirit?????
I use (as ever) the mysterious medium of the interwebs.
So you are in the 'Ether" somewhere??????
Enjoying it????
> No wonder you are asking all this basic questions
> Now I think I understand??????
>
> > Our work friend never got that chance .
>
> > Laurence did.
>
> > Cheers
>
> > Again I'm surprised at the personal attacks Laurence;s article has
> > invoked.
>
> Just think of Lawrence as a repetitious mouthpiece for rosenbergist
> claptrap -- and your surprise will evaporate in the process of thought
> itself.
>
> Care to explain just what the claptrap in the articleis????
> Tell me exactly what you see.
rosenbergism in all its ugliness.
Fine but detail the ugliness.
After all even Happ has said that he enjoyed Werner's common sense!!!!!!!
> > Is it the thought of death that is worryiing us all and putting us on
> > edge?????
>
> Is it the thought of stopping beating your wife that causes 79 percent
> of the famine in north-central Africa and makes the clergy in Bolivia
> bilious?
>
> > Do we need to say anything to each other before someone else falls of
> > the
> > perch?
>
> No.
>
> So you are complete and whole in all your relationships????
huh? You deduce all that from a "no"?
Well I am just curious and though I would ask you!
> Well you must be as the local Muse and annointed one.
Local planetary?
Not one of those 4 new Planets they have recently discovered by any
chance????
> I'm sorry I had not noticed that!!!!!!
You'll get over it.
> Please forgive me and my impertenance in asking.
Done. Now about your illogic...
What was that??????
> Cheers
>
> Slimily
> Serena
tubby Tanner
On 4 Jan, 02:16, "tubby Tanner" <tub...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> Hi Happ,
>
> As I undersatnd it the article is basically about saying whatever you wish
> to say to someone
> that completes and fullfills that particular relationship.
> There was nothing left unsaid between us
> .
> I think that what Laurence is saying.
don't get me wrong Bruno - i like it as a strategy
tell people who you are
how you feel
what you think etc
still sometimes staying quiet is a good strategy
and sometimes the communion doesn't "require" words
>
> Can't understand all the hulla balla that has caused.
LOL
me neither
>
> If I was able to do that I would also be fullfilled , I think
shit happens - i thought you had that one down already !
;-)
>
> A valuable insight into human relations???????
Bruno - I don't mean to sound rude - but most of what i enjoy from
werner is basic common sense
but as they say - common sense ain't that common
Well done Happ.
I think most people here including Tex have mainly claimed a lot
of it was common sense.
And yet the fair Muse is not convinced.
I wonder why?????
but, as werner may have said - the insight is only valuable if you can
APPLY it
Makes sense!!!!!!!
have been looking for a LM glossary with "finalise" in it - but have
yet to find it
Don't botheer Landmark was not very good at definig words they used.
It was often torturious use of language however sometimes it was fun at
other times
exhilerating.
to me this is another one of those "balance" scenarios
sometimes one can rush to "finalise" something, when a little
breathing time would have better served the situation
obviously death and friends traveling away are different scenario - a
"window of opportunity" rule applies
Don't make it so difficult.
Letting people know how you feel about them in the present
would be helpful in most cases in coping if they were suddenly
to depart to the other side.
I think thats all Laurence was trying to say.
Serena I think has a crush on Laurence and his writings
and therefore is emotional when talking about him.
cheers
HAPPYsamurai
I was considering the old version of integrity from the point of view
of combining the parts
from the human use not the organisational workabllity model
perhaps Bruno has logic etc but doesn't want to integrate it - ie
prefers to segregate it?
or perhaps he doesn't have it
or perhaps he has it but is afraid it will overshadow others areas of
his make-up...
HAPPYsamurai
>
> Well done Happ.
> I think most people here including Tex have mainly claimed a lot
> of it was common sense.
> And yet the fair Muse is not convinced.
> I wonder why?????
do you?
I'd say because marketing it as more than common sense could lead to
confusion...
especially in those who are keen to back up the marketing spiel
just one possibility
>
> but, as werner may have said - the insight is only valuable if you can
> APPLY it
>
> Makes sense!!!!!!!
common sense usually does Bruno
also being mindful of the lesson of counter-intuitive phenomena
>
> have been looking for a LM glossary with "finalise" in it - but have
> yet to find it
>
> Don't botheer Landmark was not very good at definig words they used.
> It was often torturious use of language however sometimes it was fun at
> other times
> exhilerating.
well you certainly have the components of personality in your make-up
to appreciate "fun" and "exhilaration"
the following would require the integration of a degree of "self
reflection" on your part....
do you have a logic component too?
are you simply yet to integrate it ?
Serena may want you to address this issue before either of you DIE
there are things thus far "UNSAID" that may rely on its "integration"
for the functional "WORKABILITY" of the "conversation"
>
> to me this is another one of those "balance" scenarios
>
> sometimes one can rush to "finalise" something, when a little
> breathing time would have better served the situation
>
> obviously death and friends traveling away are different scenario - a
> "window of opportunity" rule applies
>
> Don't make it so difficult.
apologies - perhaps you don't have a "deal with difficulty" component
in your make up
or are you just yet to integrate it?
>
> Letting people know how you feel about them in the present
> would be helpful in most cases in coping if they were suddenly
> to depart to the other side.
>
> I think thats all Laurence was trying to say.
>
> Serena I think has a crush on Laurence and his writings
> and therefore is emotional when talking about him.
would that have been better "left unsaid" ?
or was it important to share it before any of us die?
;-)
HAPPYsamurai
past, say something powerful to complete it."
http://laurenceplatt.home.att.net/wernererhard/stateofp.html
"Don't tell me you can't live without me. I say that's not true. The
truth you're not telling me is you can't live with yourself."
"If I could hold you until your tears stop, I would. But that won't
enable you to transform your own tears by yourself when I'm not
around."
here's a "good" one - in the "genre" ....
"If you think I'm lying, you're not listening to anything I'm saying.
If you think I'm speaking the truth, you're not listening to anything
I'm saying."
how tricky it is to teach absolutists the value of models
and they still don't "get it"
and yet, at times, the depth of a poet
"Both sadness and happiness without you as cause in the matter, are
like two mutts straying by occasionally. The one who'll stay is the
one you leave bones out for."
"There's really nothing to get. Really. You may think that if you
could get there's really nothing to get, then you'll have gotten
something. But there really is nothing to get. Really. Nothing. No
kidding!" and YET -- there IS
HAPPYsamurai
so best not leave any abuse left unsaid ?
tubby Tanner
do you?
just one possibility
I just couldn't help myself Happ.
Naughty of me but I can't help wanting to stick it up her.
Aussie slang for getting back at her.
Cheers
tubby Tanner
> PS anyone of us could die at any time
>
> so best not leave any abuse left unsaid ?
Good observation Happ.
Hadn't thought of it that way.
Must try to clean up my act .
Thanks for reminding me.
Cheers
>
>
Serena Nordstrup
But I do, Bruno, I do.
> Just tell me the prescription and I will check it out on the internet to see
> whether it
> may be useful to me.
you may as well select a few nostrums and combine them at random.
> > It my "Choice"
>
> "Nay, not so, but far otherwise."
>
> UGH??????????
Kipling, as I recall.
> Slipperily
> Serena
Serena Nordstrup
As i suggested, you have committed the rosenbergist cardinal sin of
~interpreting~.
> No such luck for me I was run of the mill total.
>
>
>
> > > > So what is your intention with regard to your voluminous yet empty
> > > > postings?
> > > > My conclusion????
> > > > You're just another nut in need of medication.
>
> > > Now if we'd had more drugs prescribed for us as kiddies we nuts might
> > > not need so much medication now...
>
> > > Again please send me you prescription as I also am badly in need of
> > > anothe
> > > fix.
>
> > But what if we have different medical backgrounds or conditions?
>
> > Let me check the medication and then I will report back to you whether
> > its of any use.
>
> You HAVE heard of cause-and-effect, right?
>
> And of the multitude of medications and of the various uses to which
> medical science can put each one and the combinations thereof?
>
> "Don't you worry about that" an ex Governor would say when asked questions
> about his actions.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governor_of_Victoria#List_of_Governors_of_Victoria
> Just send me the prescription and I will check it out on the net and report
> back to you whether to send it or not.
Soliciting for trafficking in drugs now?
Serena Nordstrup
So you only delve into the "last thoughts" of selected victims?
> > Not in your Nature.
>
> > > I believe is causing her this grief and pain.
>
> > No doubt you have grounds for this eccentrick belief.
>
> > Do you want the evidence oh fair Muse.
> > Perception of the problem is not good enough for you???????
>
> You did not simply describe your ~perception~ of an issue: you offer
> some sort of diagnosis when you claim: "He died suddenly and the fact
> he had left so suddenly and that she was not able to possibly
> communicate her last thoughts to him I believe is causing her this
> grief and pain."
>
> So yes: I certainly do expect to hear your evidence for your
> eccentrick belief.
>
> Well oh fair Muse, thats what I heard from the bereaved ladies mouth.
And you actually believed her?
> She was upset and angry that he had departed so suddenly.
You believed her even when she expressed upset and anger?
> Apparently ther must have been many things left unsaid.
"apparently ... must". You shaky ground starts to show, Bruno.
> Thats what Laurence is on about in simple terms.
> Does it not make some sense?????
On the "apparently ... must" principle. Not otherwise.
> > > She can't bear to live without him now and pines away.
>
> > > This unfinished business or communication between people I think is an
> > > important part of living that helps us
> > > to cope when someone suddenly dies.
>
> > This "living", Bruno -- it has something to do with that undefined
> > ~life~ thing you keep rambling on about?
>
> > Well maybe thats why I have great problems comunicating with you.
> > If you don't know what living or life means, are you living on the psychic
> > plane maybe???
>
> Whatever your view, you used that "living" word again.
>
> Have you gone around in a circle?
>
> No I'm here living and trying to love life to the utmost.
Worse than a circle: a spiral of live-living...
> Where are you if I may ask??????
I detect no meaning in your question.
> > Are you talking to us in spirit?????
>
> I use (as ever) the mysterious medium of the interwebs.
>
> So you are in the 'Ether" somewhere??????
... or on the other end of some virtual wire.
> Enjoying it????
Your question lacks reference.
Bruno, you forgot to answer the question: You deduce all that from a
"no"?
> > Well you must be as the local Muse and annointed one.
>
> Local planetary?
>
> Not one of those 4 new Planets they have recently discovered by any
> chance????
Slim chance.
> > I'm sorry I had not noticed that!!!!!!
>
> You'll get over it.
>
> > Please forgive me and my impertenance in asking.
>
> Done. Now about your illogic...
>
> What was that??????
As highlighted.
> Cheers
>
> > Slimily
> > Serena
Serena Nordstrup
> "HAPPYsamurai" <profstock...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>
> news:48ee3746-74df-4171...@u41g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
>
> > PS anyone of us could die at any time
>
> > so best not leave any abuse left unsaid ?
>
> Good observation Happ.
> Hadn't thought of it that way.
>
> Must try to clean up my act .
Remember the rosenbergist doctrine concerning the ineffectiveness and
non-existence of ~trying~, Bruno?
Here, I'll give you an up-to-date version from page 48 of "A New
Model of Integrity: An Actionable Pathway To Trust, Productivity and
Value" at:
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/Delivery.cfm/SSRN_ID1511268_code9.pdf?abstractid=932255&mirid=4
'In a very real sense being a person of integrity starts with
me giving my word to myself: My word to myself that I am
a person of integrity.
And when I do that I say to myself:
"I am going to make this happen."
Not: "I am going to try to make this happen" or "I hope
this will happen"
As Yoda says in "Star Wars": "There is no TRY. Only DO
or NOT DO."'
(Copyright 2005-2009 Werner Erhard, Michael C. Jensen, Steve
Zaffron)
Nevertheless, I'll stand by for any eventual as-yet-unsaid abuse...
Slipperily and slimily
Serena
Serena Nordstrup
> to say to someone
> that completes and fullfills that particular relationship.
> There was nothing left unsaid between us
> .
> I think that what Laurence is saying.
>
> Can't understand all the hulla balla that has caused.
Allow me to make an observation:
Opening a thread on alt.fan.landmark with the title "Pick a bone with
Laurence and also Werner by association" might predictably provoke
some "hulla balla" -- whether or not the person who opened the thread
might understand some consequence (win the booby-prize, in
rosenbergist terms).
Slimily
Serena
Serena Nordstrup
> "HAPPYsamurai" <profstock...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>
> news:c64f7564-bcfd-48c3...@21g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
<snip>
> Bruno - I don't mean to sound rude - but most of what i enjoy from
> werner is basic common sense
>
> but as they say - common sense ain't that common
>
> Well done Happ.
> I think most people here including Tex have mainly claimed a lot
> of it was common sense.
> And yet the fair Muse is not convinced.
> I wonder why?????
Not speakiing for "the fair Muse" (whatever you may mean by that
moniker, Bruno), I would point out that alongside and intertwined with
the few shreds of "common sense" in rosenbergism we find screeds of
very common nonsense.
> but, as werner may have said - the insight is only valuable if you can
> APPLY it
>
> Makes sense!!!!!!!
>
> have been looking for a LM glossary with "finalise" in it - but have
> yet to find it
>
> Don't botheer Landmark was not very good at definig words they used.
> It was often torturious use of language however sometimes it was fun at
> other times
> exhilerating.
And what about the rest of the times? Excruciatingly boring?
> to me this is another one of those "balance" scenarios
>
> sometimes one can rush to "finalise" something, when a little
> breathing time would have better served the situation
>
> obviously death and friends traveling away are different scenario - a
> "window of opportunity" rule applies
>
> Don't make it so difficult.
>
> Letting people know how you feel about them in the present
> would be helpful in most cases in coping if they were suddenly
> to depart to the other side.
>
> I think thats all Laurence was trying to say.
>
> Serena I think has a crush on Laurence and his writings
I express contempt for Laurence Platt and for his ~work~. Can you,
Bruno, adduce any evidence that might ~possibly~ have led you to think
otherwise?
> and therefore is emotional when talking about him.
... an invalid conclusion from a false premise.
Slimily
Serena
Serena Nordstrup
The suggestion that Serena may have some sort of attitude towards
Laurence might serve an important role in deflecting discussion from
"picking a bone with Laurence..." to debating a red-herring
miscontrual of Serena and her character. One might wonder at the
purpose of such an ad-hominem change of topic.
Slimily
Serena
tubby Tanner
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/Delivery.cfm/SSRN_ID1511268_code9.pdf?abstractid=932255&mirid=4
Thank You for bringing it to my attention.
It just shows that my remedial Landmark courses did not do much for me and
that I am not a good candidate to represent Landmark.
You on the other hand dear Muse would make an excellent PR/ Marketing
representative
for the organisation you hold so dearly to your heart.
Cheers
Slipperily and slimily
Serena
tubby Tanner
Wonder no longer dear Serena, you have spoken.
Cheers
Slimily
Serena
tubby Tanner
On Jan 8, 12:38 am, "tubby Tanner" <tub...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> "HAPPYsamurai" <profstock...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>
> news:c64f7564-bcfd-48c3...@21g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
<snip>
> Bruno - I don't mean to sound rude - but most of what i enjoy from
> werner is basic common sense
>
> but as they say - common sense ain't that common
>
> Well done Happ.
> I think most people here including Tex have mainly claimed a lot
> of it was common sense.
> And yet the fair Muse is not convinced.
> I wonder why?????
Not speakiing for "the fair Muse" (whatever you may mean by that
moniker, Bruno), I would point out that alongside and intertwined with
the few shreds of "common sense" in rosenbergism we find screeds of
very common nonsense.
Aaahh so finally you agree that " few shreds of "common sense" do exhist and
that its not all gibberish.
Good to hear that you do have a warm spot for your dear friend Werner.
> but, as werner may have said - the insight is only valuable if you can
> APPLY it
>
> Makes sense!!!!!!!
>
> have been looking for a LM glossary with "finalise" in it - but have
> yet to find it
>
> Don't botheer Landmark was not very good at definig words they used.
> It was often torturious use of language however sometimes it was fun at
> other times
> exhilerating.
And what about the rest of the times? Excruciatingly boring?
Correct there were a few boring times but the fun and excitemnent of the
good times
made up for the low spots.
But what would you know you claimed to have never done the workshop????
cheers
tubby Tanner
I thought it was more tongue in cheek perhaps rather than provocation
UUHHMMM.
However I still think Laurences them is extremely important and as Happ
agreed common sense that most people don't apply to their lives.
cheers
Slimily
Serena
HAPPYsamurai
> On Jan 8, 12:15 pm, "tubby Tanner" <tub...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>
> > "HAPPYsamurai" <profstock...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>
> >news:48ee3746-74df-4171...@u41g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > PS anyone of us could die at any time
>
> > > so best not leave any abuse left unsaid ?
>
> > Good observation Happ.
> > Hadn't thought of it that way.
>
> > Must try to clean up my act .
>
> Remember the rosenbergist doctrine concerning the ineffectiveness and
> non-existence of ~trying~, Bruno?
no but he remembers the "expeirential" THRILL of the roller-coaster
ride - that was the seminar
>
> Here, I'll give you an up-to-date version from page 48 of "A New
> Model of Integrity: An Actionable Pathway To Trust, Productivity and
> Value" at:
>
> http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/Delivery.cfm/SSRN_ID1511268_code9.pdf?abs...
>
> 'In a very real sense being a person of integrity starts with
> me giving my word to myself: My word to myself that I am
> a person of integrity.
> And when I do that I say to myself:
> "I am going to make this happen."
> Not: "I am going to try to make this happen" or "I hope
> this will happen"
> As Yoda says in "Star Wars": "There is no TRY. Only DO
> or NOT DO."'
not - "i give my word to myself to honor "my" morals and ethics - even
in the workplace"
HAPPYsamurai
> On Jan 4, 2:16 am, "tubby Tanner" <tub...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>
> > Hi Happ,
>
> > to say to someone
> > that completes and fullfills that particular relationship.
> > There was nothing left unsaid between us
> > .
> > I think that what Laurence is saying.
>
> > Can't understand all the hulla balla that has caused.
>
> Allow me to make an observation:
>
> Opening a thread on alt.fan.landmark with the title "Pick a bone with
> Laurence and also Werner by association" might predictably provoke
> some "hulla balla" -- whether or not the person who opened the thread
> might understand some consequence (win the booby-prize, in
> rosenbergist terms).
>
> Slimily
> Serena
does it matter?
if someone manages to get a better relationship with their suicidal
daughter as a result?
HAPPYsamurai
> On Jan 8, 12:38 am, "tubby Tanner" <tub...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>
> > "HAPPYsamurai" <profstock...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>
> >news:c64f7564-bcfd-48c3...@21g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
>
> <snip>
>
> > Bruno - I don't mean to sound rude - but most of what i enjoy from
> > werner is basic common sense
>
> > but as they say - common sense ain't that common
>
> > Well done Happ.
> > I think most people here including Tex have mainly claimed a lot
> > of it was common sense.
> > And yet the fair Muse is not convinced.
> > I wonder why?????
>
> Not speakiing for "the fair Muse" (whatever you may mean by that
> moniker, Bruno),
I'd suggest bruno's roller coaster experience with you has lead him to
sense you logic and intuition
unfortunately his only way of "finalising" his appreciation seems to
be based on his sense of fun...
as yet his own sense of "inspiration" and "logic" seem to remain un-
workable - so he cannot give his word to really appreciate your
integration....
at some level his continued un-finalised interaction with you is him
honoring the "sense" of his unspoken word
I would point out that alongside and intertwined with
> the few shreds of "common sense" in rosenbergism we find screeds of
> very common nonsense.
>
> > but, as werner may have said - the insight is only valuable if you can
> > APPLY it
>
> > Makes sense!!!!!!!
>
> > have been looking for a LM glossary with "finalise" in it - but have
> > yet to find it
>
> > Don't botheer Landmark was not very good at definig words they used.
> > It was often torturious use of language however sometimes it was fun at
> > other times
> > exhilerating.
>
> And what about the rest of the times? Excruciatingly boring?
or "emotional" ?
HAPPYsamurai
>
> The suggestion that Serena may have some sort of attitude towards
> Laurence might serve an important role in deflecting discussion from
> "picking a bone with Laurence..." to debating a red-herring
> miscontrual of Serena and her character. One might wonder at the
> purpose of such an ad-hominem change of topic.
>
> Slimily
> Serena
like a sort of psychological "racket" or "game"?
TA or LE
TM or otherwise
HAPPYsamurai
>
> Thank You for bringing it to my attention.
> It just shows that my remedial Landmark courses did not do much for me and
> that I am not a good candidate to represent Landmark.
>
> You on the other hand dear Muse would make an excellent PR/ Marketing
> representative
> for the organisation you hold so dearly to your heart.
>
> Cheers
well there's an insight
was it experiential for you?
HAPPYsamurai
>
> Correct there were a few boring times but the fun and excitemnent of the
> good times
> made up for the low spots.
ah coming to terms with boredom - what a challenge for someone
interested in personal development
> But what would you know you claimed to have never done the workshop????
muses KNOW Bruno
one could discuss the hows and whys
but your lack of personal experience - and the incredible emphasis you
place on the "experiential" might make for a boring explanation from
your viewpoint
HAPPYsamurai
> "Serena Nordstrup" <s_nordst...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
>
>
> Allow me to make an observation:
>
> Opening a thread on alt.fan.landmark with the title "Pick a bone with
> Laurence and also Werner by association" might predictably provoke
> some "hulla balla" -- whether or not the person who opened the thread
> might understand some consequence (win the booby-prize, in
> rosenbergist terms).
>
> I thought it was more tongue in cheek perhaps rather than provocation
> UUHHMMM.
ah the tongue in cheek cultural consciousness
>
> However I still think Laurences them is extremely important and as Happ
> agreed common sense that most people don't apply to their lives.
>
not sure what "them" it is you think I saw as common sense
so let me clarify
YOU posted lawry's "eulogy" with tongue in cheek purposes...?
nice set up Bruno
HAPPYsamurai
> "Serena Nordstrup" <s_nordst...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
>
> Here, I'll give you an up-to-date version from page 48 of "A New
> Model of Integrity: An Actionable Pathway To Trust, Productivity and
> Value" at:
>
> http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/Delivery.cfm/SSRN_ID1511268_code9.pdf?abs...
>
> 'In a very real sense being a person of integrity starts with
> me giving my word to myself: My word to myself that I am
> a person of integrity.
> And when I do that I say to myself:
> "I am going to make this happen."
> Not: "I am going to try to make this happen" or "I hope
> this will happen"
> As Yoda says in "Star Wars": "There is no TRY. Only DO
> or NOT DO."'
>
> (Copyright 2005-2009 Werner Erhard, Michael C. Jensen, Steve
> Zaffron)
>
from the abstract....
"Integrity (Werner's definition I assume...) is thus a factor of
production as important as knowledge and technology, yet its major
role in productivity and performance has been largely hidden or
unnoticed, or even ignored by economists and others."
Serena Nordstrup
> "Serena Nordstrup" <s_nordst...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
>
> news:7615cf31-bd7d-4793...@a21g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 8, 12:15 pm, "tubby Tanner" <tub...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>
> > "HAPPYsamurai" <profstock...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>
> >news:48ee3746-74df-4171...@u41g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > PS anyone of us could die at any time
>
> > > so best not leave any abuse left unsaid ?
>
> > Good observation Happ.
> > Hadn't thought of it that way.
>
> > Must try to clean up my act .
>
> Remember the rosenbergist doctrine concerning the ineffectiveness and
> non-existence of ~trying~, Bruno?
>
> Here, I'll give you an up-to-date version from page 48 of "A New
> Model of Integrity: An Actionable Pathway To Trust, Productivity and
> Value" at:
>
>
> 'In a very real sense being a person of integrity starts with
> me giving my word to myself: My word to myself that I am
> a person of integrity.
> And when I do that I say to myself:
> "I am going to make this happen."
> Not: "I am going to try to make this happen" or "I hope
> this will happen"
> As Yoda says in "Star Wars": "There is no TRY. Only DO
> or NOT DO."'
>
> (Copyright 2005-2009 Werner Erhard, Michael C. Jensen, Steve
> Zaffron)
>
> Nevertheless, I'll stand by for any eventual as-yet-unsaid abuse...
>
> Thank You for bringing it to my attention.
> It just shows that my remedial Landmark courses did not do much for me and
> that I am not a good candidate to represent Landmark.
>
> You on the other hand dear Muse would make an excellent PR/ Marketing
> representative
> for the organisation you hold so dearly to your heart.
Do you have anything to ~contribute~ to the discussion about
rosenbergism, Bruno, apart from personal distracting speculativead-
hominems addressed to fictional persons of your own devising?
If so. let's hear it.
> Slipperily and slimily
> Serena
Serena Nordstrup
> "Serena Nordstrup" <s_nordst...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
>
> news:8bfb974e-17ab-464e...@a32g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 8, 12:38 am, "tubby Tanner" <tub...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>
> > "HAPPYsamurai" <profstock...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>
> >news:c64f7564-bcfd-48c3...@21g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
>
> <snip>
>
> > Bruno - I don't mean to sound rude - but most of what i enjoy from
> > werner is basic common sense
>
> > but as they say - common sense ain't that common
>
> > Well done Happ.
> > I think most people here including Tex have mainly claimed a lot
> > of it was common sense.
> > And yet the fair Muse is not convinced.
> > I wonder why?????
>
> Not speakiing for "the fair Muse" (whatever you may mean by that
> moniker, Bruno), I would point out that alongside and intertwined with
> the few shreds of "common sense" in rosenbergism we find screeds of
> very common nonsense.
>
> Aaahh so finally you agree that " few shreds of "common sense" do exhist and
> that its not all gibberish.
Only 99.99 per cent gibberish. The remainder just serves as a prop or
a disguise.
> Good to hear that you do have a warm spot for your dear friend Werner.
Don't confuse the messenger with the message either, Bruno.
> > but, as werner may have said - the insight is only valuable if you can
> > APPLY it
>
> > Makes sense!!!!!!!
>
> > have been looking for a LM glossary with "finalise" in it - but have
> > yet to find it
>
> > Don't botheer Landmark was not very good at definig words they used.
> > It was often torturious use of language however sometimes it was fun at
> > other times
> > exhilerating.
>
> And what about the rest of the times? Excruciatingly boring?
>
> Correct there were a few boring times but the fun and excitemnent of the
> good times
> made up for the low spots.
For how long?
> But what would you know
Hence my question.
> you claimed to have never done the workshop????
I made no such claim, and I defy you to prove otherwise.
Serena Nordstrup
Or both -- together and/or turn about.
Serena Nordstrup
> "Serena Nordstrup" <s_nordst...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
One might wonder -- whether I comment or not.
>
> Slimily
> Serena
Serena Nordstrup
Just as part of a standard critical approach.
tubby Tanner
On 10 Jan, 01:52, "tubby Tanner" <tub...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> "Serena Nordstrup" <s_nordst...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
>
>
> Allow me to make an observation:
>
> Opening a thread on alt.fan.landmark with the title "Pick a bone with
> Laurence and also Werner by association" might predictably provoke
> some "hulla balla" -- whether or not the person who opened the thread
> might understand some consequence (win the booby-prize, in
> rosenbergist terms).
>
> I thought it was more tongue in cheek perhaps rather than provocation
> UUHHMMM.
ah the tongue in cheek cultural consciousness
>
> However I still think Laurences them is extremely important and as Happ
> agreed common sense that most people don't apply to their lives.
>
not sure what "them" it is you think I saw as common sense
Sorry Happ I meant "theme"