What Is The Difference Between Life SentenceAnd Strong Suits (Winning Formula)
Mark Ty-Wharton
I am listening to Three Laws Of Performance http://threelaws.com
In chapter six, they go over life sentence, though the conversation
seems similar to strong suits, somethings wrong and somethings wrong
with me, I never did this exercise on my advanced course, so it
interests me.
I wonder if anyone who has done the advanced course with this
distinction in it can help me clarify this.
I assert my life sentence is "I am not afraid" such that nobody would
know I was afraid and it lives on top of "what's wrong with me, I am
terrified"
I have it that fear is simply not okay and can cite several incedents
through life that either led me to this conclusion of clarified the
decision for me.
I get to see it renders me incapable because the more I focus on
getting rid of fear, guess what, the more fear I presence for myself.
Over the past twenty years or so I have confronted this about myself
by reading books such as Feel The Fear And Do It Anyway, having
expensive therapy and doing The Landmark Forum, The Life Training,
Insight, Essence, Brandon Bays and have even become a Toastmaster and
yet the fear remains.
I guess what I want to clarify is if this is a life sentence of strong
suit?
Because I actually think my strong suits are:
Being creative, different, going off at a tangent, a mad inventor (I
don't belong)
Doing the unexpected, controversial or outrageous, esoteric, weird
Pushing myself no matter what, I'll show you bloody minded
stubborness, ambitious ideas, by grand design, brilliant
???
I recently went paintballing with my thirteen year old, who lives 600
miles away, out of a commitment to be there for him as a father and
turn up for his birthday.
What I noticed was I was terrified. At the end of the day however I
felt really good.
Perhaps letting fear into my life is a good thing when it allows me to
occur for myself as capable?
I may be going over old ground here, I don't know, I just feel there
is a new level of clarity dawning.
I declare myself the possibility of emprise (knightly daring or
prowess) and I recognise I am a capable courageous man and it is okay
to be afraid.
As emprise can also be defined as an adventurous enterprise, it is
rather fitting for my SELP project.
Empatice (tee hee Serena inspired me again)
Mark
computeruser
Mark I don't remember a ~~life sentence~~ necessarily being something
an objective view point would call a ~~strong suit~~ or even in your
subjective view would you likely call it a ~~strong suit~~. I haven't
read The Three Laws nor have I listened to the CDs. (Send them to me
when your done?)
I do remember the concept of a ~~life sentence~~ being something ~~dis-
empowering~~ you ~~decide~~ about yourself, in the form of a sentence.
It was important to find through reflection the exact sentence, that
you said to yourself. The concept goes something like this "In this
early stage in life" you make this ~~decision~~ about yourself, and
through this self-talk, you grab onto this ~~sentence~~. It is "real"
you believe it to be true. The leader offered the premise that through
this action as a child you "sentence yourself" to ~~a way of being~~.
Because it was you that ~~decided~~. [It was stated that ~~decide~~
has the same ending as suicide, genocide, etc, which is to say it also
kills off [all other possibilities]. (Are you following all this?)
Through some stagecraft and semantics/gymnastics the participants are
left with a new opportunity to newly ~~choose~~. Much better than
deciding don't ya think? Now with this new jargon you can impress your
friends, and maybe not have sit bored in front of the television, or
go to that boring pub where all the losers hang out. You are truly
~~transformed~~.
Touch moved and inspired yet?
HAPPYsamurai
>
> In chapter six, they go over life sentence, though the conversation
> seems similar to strong suits, somethings wrong and somethings wrong
> with me, I never did this exercise on my advanced course, so it
> interests me.
>
> I wonder if anyone who has done the advanced course with this
> distinction in it can help me clarify this.
>
> I assert my life sentence is "I am not afraid" such that nobody would
> know I was afraid and it lives on top of "what's wrong with me, I am
> terrified"
>
> I have it that fear is simply not okay and can cite several incedents
> through life that either led me to this conclusion of clarified the
> decision for me.
>
> I get to see it renders me incapable because the more I focus on
> getting rid of fear, guess what, the more fear I presence for myself.
I think Bruno can help you with this
>
> Over the past twenty years or so I have confronted this about myself
> by reading books such as Feel The Fear And Do It Anyway, having
> expensive therapy and doing The Landmark Forum, The Life Training,
> Insight, Essence, Brandon Bays and have even become a Toastmaster and
> yet the fear remains.
what - I was ~enrolled~ in the conversation that LM had removed all
the fear
>
> I guess what I want to clarify is if this is a life sentence of strong
> suit?
>
> Because I actually think my strong suits are:
>
> Being creative, different, going off at a tangent, a mad inventor (I
> don't belong)
have you checked out Belbin?
>
> Doing the unexpected, controversial or outrageous, esoteric, weird
>
> Pushing myself no matter what, I'll show you bloody minded
> stubborness, ambitious ideas, by grand design, brilliant
>
> ???
>
> I recently went paintballing with my thirteen year old, who lives 600
> miles away, out of a commitment to be there for him as a father and
> turn up for his birthday.
10/10
>
> What I noticed was I was terrified. At the end of the day however I
> felt really good.
what - I thought you were cured of anxiety?
>
> Perhaps letting fear into my life is a good thing when it allows me to
> occur for myself as capable?
what?
you need to be scared by something that is worth being afraid of - and
then the other stuff goes away
>
> I may be going over old ground here, I don't know, I just feel there
> is a new level of clarity dawning.
>
> I declare myself the possibility of emprise (knightly daring or
> prowess) and I recognise I am a capable courageous man and it is okay
> to be afraid.
right - and you will facilitate this becoming ~experiential ~ how?
HAPPYsamurai
>
> I declare myself the possibility of emprise (knightly daring or
> prowess) and I recognise I am a capable courageous man and it is okay
> to be afraid.
>
recognise?
Mark Ty-Wharton
Sorry you are right it was in the communication course.
I think I recall my life sentence as "I don't get it"
I remember being utterly perplexed by the idea and trying to figure it
all out.
So, I am getting this muddled up with the act?
That is what was in the advanced course after I participated and taken
out recently?
How does what I am saying relate to the act?
Thanks
Mark
Mark Ty-Wharton
I am loking at the background of anxiety or generalised anxiety
disorder that was present in day to day life before I sat through the
Landmark Forum, I am spefically looking at the performance anxiety any
person might experience when speaking and making mistakes in front of
a crowd of people.
Serena Nordstrup
>
> In chapter six, they go over life sentence, though the conversation
> seems similar to strong suits, somethings wrong and somethings wrong
> with me, I never did this exercise on my advanced course, so it
> interests me.
>
> I wonder if anyone who has done the advanced course with this
> distinction in it can help me clarify this.
>
> I assert my life sentence is "I am not afraid" such that nobody would
> know I was afraid and it lives on top of "what's wrong with me, I am
> terrified"
If one hangs out with people who ~commit~ all over the show, one might
even grow used to the idea of imprisonment.
> I have it that fear is simply not okay and can cite several incedents
> through life that either led me to this conclusion of clarified the
> decision for me.
Perhaps that silly concept of ~life~ distorts your thinking into
having opinions about the ~being~ of fear.
> I get to see it renders me incapable because the more I focus on
> getting rid of fear, guess what, the more fear I presence for myself.
I don't see the "self" withering away here. Prescription: Remedial Zen
HAPPYsamurai
> On May 29, 4:30 am, Mark Ty-Wharton <mark.tywhar...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Dear reader;
>
> > I am listening to Three Laws Of Performancehttp://threelaws.com
>
> > In chapter six, they go over life sentence, though the conversation
> > seems similar to strong suits, somethings wrong and somethings wrong
> > with me, I never did this exercise on my advanced course, so it
> > interests me.
>
> > I wonder if anyone who has done the advanced course with this
> > distinction in it can help me clarify this.
>
> > I assert my life sentence is "I am not afraid" such that nobody would
> > know I was afraid and it lives on top of "what's wrong with me, I am
> > terrified"
>
> If one hangs out with people who ~commit~ all over the show, one might
> even grow used to the idea of imprisonment.
>
> > I have it that fear is simply not okay and can cite several incedents
> > through life that either led me to this conclusion of clarified the
> > decision for me.
>
> Perhaps that silly concept of ~life~ distorts your thinking into
> having opinions about the ~being~ of fear.
how old were you when you got this question ~experientially~ ?
sorry don't mean to get a rep for ~gossip~ with Bruno
>
> > I get to see it renders me incapable because the more I focus on
> > getting rid of fear, guess what, the more fear I presence for myself.
>
> I don't see the "self" withering away here. Prescription: Remedial Zen
if zen is not your strong suit - can it be a life sentence?
oops
is a life sentence remedial?
Mark Ty-Wharton
zen?
*confused*
HAPPYsamurai
no not at all -
I have "imbibed" your mark-werner-zen
- now I'm only waiting for fate to remove one of your hands so you can
give us a one handed clapping display ~experiential~ style
I have enjoyed the exchange
I may even be able to interpret some of it for Serena
HAPPYsamurai
oh "you're" confused
what I'm suggesting is
if you are looking to find your strong suit
and someone prescribes zen or a proxy-zen as a catalyst to assist you
in finding your strong suits
does it really help if zen and/or proxy-zen is not your strong
suit
do the zen-like attempts become a life sentence
not if we don't like ~that~ kind of possibility ?
Mark Ty-Wharton
have you done the Landmark Forum?
I don't think you understand the strong suit distinction from the
context you are using it in
Landmark don't teach strong suits - they do exercises to help you find
three (or maybe more) ways of being you decided to use a ways to win
in the face of adversity.
Being nice - being a smart arse - being funny that kind of thing.
Landmark are simply saying three (or maybe more) of those winning
formula will be more prevelant than other ones.
I don't think at any point in my childhood I decided ZEN yup - there's
a way of being I can use to compensate for having bronchitis (asthma)
- cleverness in the face of not being sporty? maybe - I have a high IQ
- why not use it as a strong suit... That would have been too easy LOL
Cheers
Mark
HAPPYsamurai
no I was being the ~possibility~ of creating my own context
I think it is leading to
where did you get your understanding of zen from?
>
> Landmark don't teach strong suits - they do exercises to help you find
> three (or maybe more) ways of being you decided to use a ways to win
> in the face of adversity.
>
> Being nice - being a smart arse - being funny that kind of thing.
>
> Landmark are simply saying three (or maybe more) of those winning
> formula will be more prevelant than other ones.
>
> I don't think at any point in my childhood I decided ZEN yup - there's
> a way of being I can use to compensate for having bronchitis (asthma)
are we talking about a colloquial use of the term zen here -
or are you saying you studied with a zen master to overcome asthma?
> - cleverness in the face of not being sporty? maybe - I have a high IQ
> - why not use it as a strong suit... That would have been too easy LOL
?
>
> Cheers
>
> Mark
HAPPYsamurai
if there are strong suits you are born with
ie high iq
and others you nurture - ie driving a car
if you ~choose~ to think "zen" is your strong suit - when you don't
have a natural strength in that area or have not nurtured it properly
does the ~choice~ to think zen is your strong suit - become more of a
problem than an asset
and in your case mark
I'm not suggesting that what I will now label mark-zen has not been an
asset to you
but if it bears no resemblance to japanese buddhism - it could cause
problems for competency in communication when throwing the word "zen"
around
now, did I step into the arena to say this or was i in the stands
gsaun039
>
> I am listening to Three Laws Of Performancehttp://threelaws.com
Let me give it a shot.
As noted below, the "life sentence" is a distinction from the
Communication Course. It is the thing you tell yourself about
yourself and who you are. You create an entire structure to your life
that both supports and gets in the way of a way of living, and a way
of being. It can originate from the same circumstances that create
the strong suite (i.e., winning formula).
There is a difference, however. The winning formula/strong suite is
based upon "something's wrong" and what you say to yourself about it.
You integrate it into the way that you be from that point on to deal
with "something's wrong." And it is also what has you be successful
in life. It is immediately apparent and obvious to everyone else that
has had a chance to watch you operate. They can tell you what it is
that you DO (your way of being) that has them see you as
"successful."
Here is one suggestion as to whether you are on the right track or
not. If more than one person tells you something about your "success"
that just does not feel really satisfying to you, remember, for you,
that trait or characteristic is a response to "something's wrong" and
it will always be wrong for you. You cannot go back and undo that.
And it is not about finding the very first time that the circumstances
occurred (though it's a pretty good bet that the first strong memory
of an something's wrong incident is the one that crystallized it for
you).
Just remember there is nothing wrong with working from your strong
suite, you've done it all your life. It just might not be very
satisfying (though you can't quite figure out why) because it is
always and in all ways a response to address something you told
yourself a long time ago. Something's wrong.
HAPPYsamurai
thanks for your time
my first thought was pop psychology - not in a negative way
I enjoyed some of Hubbards "models"
what would we call this if not a "psychological model" ?
I guess this model doesn't apply to everyone
un mangled
"strong suits" like real things you or I or others could have,
because these notions, termed "distinctions", are not real, never
have been and never will be. "Distinctions" are 100% made up,
contrived points of views. So, as things, I would say there IS no
difference between "life sentence" and "strong suits" ("winning
formula") because they do not exist, other then as terms. As made up
frames or points of views though, that one can generate for oneself,
in the moment, one could invent all kinds of differences between the
two. The sky is the limit I would say.
gsaun039
By your own words, there is also no such thing as your "point of view"
since it is also equally made up and therefore what you say from your
POV has no authority.
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once said , the "Universe" is just an idea, and I tend to agree) and
that has any inherent "authority" unless one assigns or grants it
"authority". For myself, what you wrote occurs as quite accurate.
Thank-you gsaun039.
gsaun039
<<The sky is the limit I would say. >>
Unless, of course, it is not.
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Serena Nordstrup
> I don't see anything, anywhere, that is not made up
I make up the idea of my next breath. My previous breath -- less so.
un mangled
HAPPYsamurai
By ~distinstinctions~
do you mean your use of the word
or werner's
or the general use of the word
just as a frame of reference
one could consider the possibility that when werner said he was going
to end world hunger
he might have been better off making practical distinctions rather
than made up ones
isn't that what ADULTS do?
other than those who work in jobs were they are paid to "make things
up"
HAPPYsamurai
> I don't see anything, anywhere, that is not made up
oh the possibilities
HAPPYsamurai
and yet
did you SEE it enough to learn from it
dare we hold our breath
HAPPYsamurai
I will stop the circular reasoning on the point on the circle where I
choose to - so there
;-)
I am reminded that the greeks saw a grounding in geometry as a
precursor to philosophy