Holiday Magic - Selling NOthing
Ellenestnot
How's this for some ~CONTEXT?~
..........
> This guy was a hustler, a "distributor" for the now defunct, but then
> outrageously successful company then known as "Turner Enterprises" a
> breakaway from the still legitimate "Holiday Magic" cosmetics corporation.
> In a nutshell, it's a way to make money by selling nothing except a right to
> sell more nothing. I could see that the outfit was nothing but a doomed
> confidence racket and the more I saw into their inner workings the less I
> wanted to do with it, even after I had lined up a perfect pigeon for my
> distributor which would net me a fat commission on the deal.
>
> But, damn my eyes, I got to liking the guy I was hustling too much to let
> him get fleeced by these wolves and so during course of the big banquet
> after which his signing of the $3,000.00 check was to take place, I pulled
> him aside and told him that it was no good. He still wanted to go with it,
> all the high power speeches and the patriotic razza-ma-tazz was totally
> doing the job on him. I told him that the questions that were bugging me
> were serious, that there would be a meeting that night where I could get
> together with "Buzz" my distributor and if those doubts I had could be
> allayed by good answers, then cool, he'd have my blessing. We agreed to
> meet later that evening at the same cocktail lounge where I'd first put the
> hustle on him.
>
> At the meeting in Buzz's room of the hotel, the news came down that the
> Attorney General was about to put a restraining order on us. There would be
> no chance for my man ever to recover his investment. He'd been pretty upset
> and hurt and angry with me, during and after the banquet, after they way
> they'd wined and dined him, got him all buttered up for the roasting. But
> when he got the news later that evening of what I now had to tell him, that
> was one relieved young dude. That three grand was nearly his entire savings
> after five years of work in a downtown office.
>
> When my chick and I turned on later that night to that great weed she had, I
> ran the whole trip down to her. Till that night, they'd had it good! But
> what a totally tasteless bunch of bourgeois schmucks! They were going
> around in these damn mink ties with diamond stick-pins in 'em, driving the
> worst colors of Cadillacs you ever laid eyes on, smoking their cigarettes in
> holders, and wearing red, white and blue seersucker suits, schlepping around
> these "Dare To Be Great" LP's which were the recorded voice of their
> hare-lipped founder, Glenn Turner. The Boy Wonder who beat every sales
> record in the South for the Singer Sewing Machine Company. And, it was a
> great story about a guy who overcame a physical defect that should have
> killed his chances at a sales career. It was all about *confidence*. It
> was a confidence game. You had to love 'em. Fucking maniacs were getting
> richer than the goddam Croesus.......
John P. David
Cyrano
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Zig Ziglar
Zig's karmic past comes back to haunt him. Little known to most, Zig was
"The Trainer" for Holiday Magic one of the most evil empires to exist in MLM
history. Leadership Dynamics, the training element of HM was comprised of
torture, and brainwashing. A book, THE PIT, was published in 1971 by Gene
Church, about LD and it was used to bash all MLMs in court cases and
legislative hearings. This story about dog piles of naked humans, hanging
people from 14 ft. high crosses and barbwire around testicles did not
enhance the reputation of MLM in the early 70's. In fact, Glenn Turner
another MLM legend started out in Holiday Magic and left because of the
torture and brainwashing being done by HM and LDI.
Did Zig Ziglar participate in LD training? Does the past comes back to
haunt Zig?
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Who knows for sure about weather Glenn Turner or Zig Ziglar were involved in
Leadership Dynamics or what their motives in leaving were.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0688031013/002-4778547-0420866?v=glance
$200!!!????
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0964531607/ref=cm_bg_f_2/002-4778547-0420866?v=glance
http://www.showandtellmusic.com/pages/galleries/gallery_q/Glenn1.html
WHY MLM TRAINING IS A TARGET!
A HISTORICAL STORY ABOUT TRAINING
THE WORST REAL HORROR STORY
In the late 60's Holiday Magic ( HM -- a skin care company that believed
products were not important) set up a training section called Leadership
Dynamics (Zig Ziglar was Not part of this, only HM product sales).
Leadership Dynamics training consisted of torture, brainwashing, and EST
psychology. It cost $5000 to go through it. You had to go through it to
get to higher pay levels. The barbwire around testicles, naked dog piles,
and suffocation were documented in a book "The Pit." It was made into a
film and circulated in MLM trials when the FTC and states hit the company.
THAT LED TO
Glenn Turner was a top distributor with Holiday Magic. He revolted at the
Holiday Magic torture/brainwashing and started KOSCOT. Turner did ship
products and his leadership company Dare To Be Great was based on strong
positive training at $5000. Tony Robbins is believed to have attended a
course and got his start here. Training was $5000 in 1972 and many today
swear it was worth it! However selling training for half the price of a new
house did not set well with regulators.
THE LAW ARRIVES
When the FTC hit all of them (MLM companies), one of the major thrusts of
the FTC attack was training. Was it of value?? All MLM training was hit or
suspect. You still see that today when the FTC or States hit a company:
Training if too high priced or paid via MLM it is a great big red flag!
Companies that specialize in training can't sell training MLM and stay out
of trouble!
AMWAY NEATLY DODGES ISSUE
AMWAY was hit but had pulled a smart diversification and dodged training
issues. In 1971 they started letting top distributors create their
downline entire training systems and informally limited the amounts that
could be charged for training. Amway Corporate stuck with just motivational
meetings at the national level. The FTC did not address the training issues
when they sued and settled with Amway (thank you Amway), since they did not
exist within the corporate structure!
AMWAY BASHERS ARE WRONG
One of the interesting misconceptions even from AA members is that the
tools and training system is MLM. It is not. Diamonds generate material
and sell it at markups thru the levels of their MLM organization. It is a
broker relationship from top down. Granted upline pushes materials on
downlines, but they do not have to buy. There is not a commission
structure.
40 YEARS LATER
The Distributor training material (and rallies) deals are not within
Amay-Alticor (AA) corporate. They are Distributor only handshake deals and
there is no formal structure dictated by AA for markups on the tapes and
other training material as they travel downline. The worst MLM tape ever
was a Diamond out of Colorado Springs bashing every MLM company but his.
Others like Hawkins "Prospecting" (1984) was magnificent (also some of his
other tapes)
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Cyrano
Ellenestnot
Another interesting aspect about this geneology is the beginning
of Mind Dynamics, which, according to Steven Pressman, was concocted
by Alexander Everett, an English school teacher, from what I presume
were 19th Century "mind-cure," religio-medicine-man-snake-oil-type
elements he culled from the Unity Schools of Christianity and Silva
Mind Control. Just makes Landmark sound like this decade's version
of so much tent revival/mass hypnosis/"instant salvation." The fact
that he hooked up with a pyramid salesman to ~create~ this hybrid
should give them the credit for starting the first LGAT rather than
Werner Erhard, don't you think?
Ever pondered on the whatever it is that makes this, the richest,
freest and most successful and affluent society need so many "mind
cures?" We've been looking for "cures" for a very long time.
It makes me think of the title of James Hillman's book, "We've Had
a Hundred Years of Psychotherapy--And the World is Getting Worse."
Ellen
Ellenestnot
The usual suspects: Anton Mesmer and Mary Baker Eddy. (From
one of those "takes-one-to-know-one" rants. Or the "pots and
kettles" file.)
http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Cults/unitysch.htm
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Unity School of Christianity*
Christian or Cult?
Unity School of Christianity, also known as Unity (with headquarters
on a 1,400-acre campus in Unity Village, Missouri -- near Lee's
Summit, Missouri, a suburb of Kansas City), was "founded" in 1889
(with the publishing of a national monthly magazine called Modern
Thought -- renamed Unity Magazine in 1894) by Charles S. Fillmore
(1854-1948), a spiritist with no Christian background, and Myrtle
(Paige) Fillmore (1845-1931), a Methodist; this was after Myrtle said
she was healed of tuberculosis by repeating an occultic
mind-over-matter affirmation, "I am a child of God, and therefore I do
not inherent sickness" (she had been dabbling heavily in Christian
Science). It was later incorporated as a church in 1903 by the Unity
Society of Practical Christianity. In 1948, the control of Unity was
assumed by the Fillmore's two sons, Lowell and W. Rickert Fillmore,
and has since experienced tremendous growth. Unity currently claims
about 200,000 U.S. members and 1.5 million members worldwide.
Unity's leader is now Connie Fillmore Bazzy, a great-granddaughter of
the founders. She controls everything from publishing Unity's
magazines to the 24-hour Silent Unity Prayer ministry that generates
the majority of the organization's approximately $30 million in annual
income. Charles R. Fillmore is the grandson of the founder and acts as
Chairman of the Board for Unity.
Unity's roots are to be found in the ministry of Dr. Franz Anton
Mesmer, who practiced what was called "animal magnetism." His work
involved manipulating the "subconscious" mind, and he was the first
modern user of hypnotism (hence, the term "mesmerism"). Some years
later, Unity joined the International New Thought Alliance (along with
Christian Science and New Thought) from which many of their doctrines
have emanated.1
The Fillmores studied Spiritualism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Brahmanism,
Rosicrucianism, Theosophy, New Thought, Christian Science, and other
Mind Science religions, believing that there was some good in every
religion. (They did disagree, however; with the Christian Science
doctrine that matter is not real.) Charles Fillmore admits that he and
Myrtle had taken "more than forty courses (in metaphysical subjects)"
(The Story of Unity, James Dillet Freeman, Unity Books publishing, pp.
35, 41-42). The Fillmores also took "several courses" from Emma Curtis
Hopkins to further their understanding of New Thought. Hopkins had
been an editor on the Christian Science Journal, Mary Baker Eddy's
publication (The Story of Unity, pp. 43-45).
Charles Fillmore chose the ancient Egyptian winged disc, an occult
symbol, as the symbol to represent Unity. Steeped in Hinduism,
Fillmore felt that he had been associated with the symbol in previous
lives. (He believed he was the reincarnation of the Apostle Paul!) A
Unity video states that this symbol is a representation of the "Earth
being lifted in consciousness." Unity Magazine says it is "a soul
giving wings to the body." These are thoroughly pagan ideas. (Frank
Yurco, an Egyptologist at the University of Chicago, says the "winged
disc" symbol represents "a fear of demons and evil gods. ... It
represents the sun-god, Ra, as he flees across the sky.")
This occultic fixation eventually led to the formation of a group
which would pray, or meditate, for the healing of others. This became
the Society of Silent Help, later changed to Silent Unity, that
extolled the virtues of creative thinking and the power of the human
mind to cure any ailment. The Fillmores never thought of starting a
church, so they took the name "Unity School of Practical
Christianity." "Practical" was dropped from the name in 1914, at which
time the Unity Tract Society and Silent Unity incorporated under the
name of Unity School of Christianity. Fillmore, during a time of
silent prayer, is said to have received the name Unity. Fillmore
explained he heard the name "just as the voice of Jesus was heard by
Paul" (The Story of Unity, p. 61).
Today the "school" is a centralized group with churches in many areas.
They distribute millions of pieces of literature a year; their most
popular publications (with a total circulation of about three million)
are Unity Magazine (articles on metaphysical topics) and Daily Word
(their daily devotional magazine). There are many "authoritative"
Unity writings, two of which are Mysteries in Genesis and Christian
Healing, both by Charles Fillmore. They also air a number of radio
broadcasts. They have over 500 churches and/or study groups in
America, with an additional 100 or so congregations and study groups
in 15 foreign countries.
Unity's doctrines are a mish-mash of borrowed teachings from different
religions and philosophies -- Hinduism, Spiritism, Theosophy,
Christian Science, and Christianity. At the heart of Unity's teachings
is a "health and wealth" philosophy so popular to many in the
professing Christian church today. But according to a Unity booklet by
Elizabeth Sand Turner, What Unity Teaches, Unity has no dogmatic
statement of faith to which the people must adhere. Instead, the
follower is to "accept what he finds helpful to lift his consciousness
to a higher level." Nevertheless, Charles R. Fillmore, grandson of
Charles S. and Myrtle, wrote The Adventure Called Unity in 1963, which
clearly delineates Unity's teachings.
Below are the highlights of what Unity believes concerning its source
of authority, the Godhead, Christ, sin and salvation, hell, sickness,
and reincarnation:
1. Source of Authority. Because of Unity's philosophy that all
religions teach truth, the Bible is simply another book of Scripture.
Charles Fillmore wrote, "It is not necessary that you despise the
scriptures of the Jews, of the Hindus, or of any people, but you are
to take them for what they are: the records of men as to what their
experiences have been in communing with the omnipresent God" (The
Twelve Powers of Man, p. 115). Unity does not believe that the
Scriptures are the complete and absolute authority, but that they are
merely the "testimonials of men." They do not even consider their own
teachings to be permanently binding, but believe that such teachings
are always open to new revelation. They teach that the Bible is an
"allegory" -- i.e., that experience, if you are 'in tune' with God, is
more accurate and reliable than the Bible. They give metaphysical
interpretations to many obvious truths in the Bible so that the normal
meaning is twisted and the passage then fits their theology. (In other
words, Unity says the Bible doesn't mean what it says.) They consider
reason and "logic of the mind" to be their final authority. [HJB]
2. Trinity. Unity has given a metaphysical meaning to the word
"trinity"; they say the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit refer to
"mind, idea, and expression." They believe that God is Universal Law
or divine Principle, not a person. [HJB] They teach the New
Age/Pantheistic idea that God is All and All is God. They explain,
"God is Spirit, or the creative energy which is the cause of all
visible things. God is not a being or person having life,
intelligence, love, power. God is that invisible, intangible, but very
real, something we call life. Each rock, tree, animal, everything
visible, is a manifestation of the one Spirit -- God -- differing only
in degree of manifestation; and each of the numberless modes of
manifestation, or individualities, however insignificant, contains the
whole" (Lessons In Truth, H. Emilie Cady, pp. 6, 8).
3. God. Under the heading "spirit," Unity's Metaphysical Bible
Dictionary states, "A name for God. Spirit and Mind are synonymous;
therefore we know God-Spirit as Mind, the one Mind, or Intelligence,
of the universe." The Dictionary continues with "The Father is
Principle. Thus, we might also say, Father is Being in the absolute,
the unlimited, the unrelated" (p. 629). "Childlike, untrained minds
say God is a personal being. The statement that God is principle
chills them, and in terror they cry out. God is the name we give to
that unchangeable, inexorable principle at the source of all
existence. To the individual consciousness God takes on personality,
but as the creative underlying cause of all things, He is principle,
impersonal; as expressed in each individual, He becomes personal to
that one -- a personal, loving, all-forgiving Father-Mother" (Lessons
In Truth, p. 11).
4. Jesus Christ. Unity teaches that Christ is an idea, the essence of
"divine Mind." They claim that Jesus was merely a perfect man who
fully possessed the Christ principle, which He obtained by advancing
"through many reincarnations" (What Unity Teaches). They say that
every person is potentially perfect, and that Jesus expressed that
perfection, and while we are still only working toward it, we are part
of the divine universal consciousness, and therefore, divine by
nature. They believe that we can do anything Jesus did, in effect
raising mankind to the level of the divine, and making us equal with
Jesus Christ. [HJB] Unity tells us that studying about God and Jesus
Christ is not enough. We must discover the Christ principles of
successful living and then be ready to apply them to our own daily
living. In summary, rather than viewing Jesus as the Savior from our
sins, Unity views Him as merely the "Way Shower."2
Unity believes in the Second Coming of Christ, not in the flesh, but
as the out-pouring of the Holy Spirit to all who are prepared to
receive it. The Holy Spirit is a latent power within every man. This,
they believe, is the fulfillment of the promise of Jesus to his
disciples (e.g., Unity says, "In this day of great spiritual
awakening, when the hearts and minds of many are turning to God, the
Second Coming of Christ is taking place for them.").
5. Holy Spirit. Charles Fillmore, again in harmony with the
Pantheistic ideology of his day, stated that the Holy Spirit was not a
personal being, but rather only an impersonal force. He wrote, "The
Holy Spirit in Divine Mind corresponds to our thought in our minds. So
we can ideate the unlimited Divine Mind, but when this Mind is brought
into our world or consciousness it is limited to our conception of it"
(Atom-Smashing Power of Mind, p. 99).
6. Sin and Salvation. Unity denies the reality of sin and evil. They
do not recognize man as being sinful or in need of salvation, because
they believe that every person is part of God. They teach that we can
overcome weaknesses and mistakes through wisdom and right thinking,
not by a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. [HJB] Instead, Unity
tells us that man's mind is his connecting link with God, and that if
man is to control his spiritual growth and fulfillment, he must
control his thinking. They teach that the atonement is the
reconciliation of our minds with the Divine Mind.
In Talks on Truth, Unity says: "Salvation is finally attained when the
cycle of rebirth is broken and man comes to birth no more. The true
spiritual body is to replace the physical body and the man becomes
like Christ. This is to be done on earth ... eternal life means
conscious existence in the body." For Unity, then, salvation and true
religious growth are "do-it-yourself projects" (The Adventure Called
Unity, pp. 6-7).
7. Hell. With the Unity concept of the power of positive thinking,
there is no talk about sin, and therefore, no eternal hell and no
eternal punishment. They deny that hell is a real place, but claim
that both heaven and hell are "states of mind," not geographical
locations, that people experience as a result of their thoughts,
words, and deeds. [HJB] Unity, thereby, is one of the most dangerous
cults, because it lulls followers into thinking that they will never
have to face the living God of the Bible.
8. Sickness. Unity claims that pain, sickness, old age, and death are
not real. Instead, they teach a process of healing that uses "denial"
and mental power: "Unity believes in the creative power of thoughts
and words. We can have neither good nor ill unless we think and speak
it into manifestation. ... what we think and speak will act to lift
the consciousness to a higher level" (What Unity Teaches).
9. Reincarnation. Unity goes a step beyond Christian Science in its
teaching of "transmigration of souls." Unity believes in
reincarnation, i.e., that through a long process of rebirths we
eventually reach perfection and immortality. (Unity teaches that
Christ had been David, Moses, and Elijah in previous lives.) This was
borrowed directly from Hinduism, in effect, lifted right out of
Hindu's sacred writings. (However, unlike Hinduism, Unity's
reincarnation is only to a new human body, never to an animal body.)
They claim that God never intended for man to die, but that
reincarnation was His merciful provision (cf. Heb. 9:27). They teach
that once we reach perfection, we become part of the "Divine Mind," an
eternal state of peace and tranquility [HJB]. Fulfillment, for the
Unity adherent, is to come to the end of countless reincarnations,
because one has then finally arrived at his Christ-like perfection
state -- "The second birth is that in which we 'put on Christ.' It is
a process of mental adjustment and body transmutation that takes place
right here on earth." [From Unity's Statement of Faith, Article 22:
"We believe that the dissolution of spirit, soul and body caused by
death, is annulled by rebirth of the same spirit and soul in another
body here on earth. We believe the repeated incarnations of man to be
a merciful provision of our loving Father to the end that all may have
opportunity to attain immortality through regeneration, as did
Jesus."]
10. Summary. Following are quotes from Charles Fillmore's book
Christian Healing (Unity School of Christianity, Unity Village, MO).
They are found at the end of the chapters in his book and are meant as
summarizations and points of meditation:
"God is the name of my good" (p. 17);
"God is the name of the everywhere Principle, in whom I live, move,
and have my being" (p. 17);
"I am the son of God, and the Spirit of the Most High dwells in me"
(p. 29);
"I am the only begotten son, dwelling in the bosom of the Father" (p.
29);
"I am the Christ of God" (p. 29);
"I and my Father are one" (p. 29);
"I am one with Almightiness" (p. 29);
"God is good, and God is all, therefore I refuse to believe in the
reality of evil in any of its forms" (p. 60);
"My perfection is now established in Divine Mind" (p. 83);
"Holding continuously to the reality of things spiritual establishes
them in mind -- they become mental substance" (p. 84);
"I see the light of Christ consciousness always" (p. 106).
11. Biblical Response.
God is not all and all is not God. Rather, God is the creator of all
things. (Genesis 1:1; Isa 44:24; John 1:2-3; Col. 1:16);
The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit have personal attributes. They speak
(Ex. 24:12, Acts 13:2); They reason (Isa. 1:18); They feel compassion.
(Luke 13:34, John 3:16-18);
Jesus was not possessed of a Christ consciousness, He is the Christ.
(Matt. 1:18; Luke 2:11);
All religions are not true. (Matt. 7:21, 24:24; John 14:6; Acts 4:12);
Poverty, sin, sickness, and death are real. (Matt. 4:24; Mark 14:7;
Rom. 3:23, 6:23; 1 John 1:7-10);
Reincarnation is not Biblical (Heb. 9:27).
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Endnotes
1 A religious movement that began in the United States in the late
19th century, New Thought stresses the power of the mind to heal
disease and to improve life. Its individualistic orientation has
hindered the development of centralized institutions. New Thought,
however, has influenced many who claim no allegiance to its
organizations. Phineas P. Quimby, a mental healer and metaphysician,
is considered the founder of New Thought, even though the movement
incorporates ideas of other thinkers, including those of the American
transcendentalists. Warren F. Evans (1817-89) and Julius A. Dresser
(1838-93) spread Quimby's teachings. The magazine New Thought, which
is still published today as Unity Magazine, was begun in 1894. The
National New Thought Alliance was formed in 1908, and the
International New Thought Alliance (INTA) in 1914. The Unity School of
Christianity, although not part of INTA, is a prominent New Thought
movement.
New Thought was a philosophical school of thought that believed in the
ability of the human mind to solve all of the problems one might
encounter. According to New Thought, the tremendous power of mind is
explained by the divinity of humankind. Unlike Christian Science,
which New Thought resembles in some respects, New Thought does not
accept any final revelation and is not opposed in principle to
material medicine. New Thought's optimistic influence can be seen in
such works as Norman Vincent Peale's The Power of Positive Thinking
(1952). New Thought has also paved the way for recent interest in
faith healing and in non-Western religions. (Source: 1995 Grolier
Electronic Multimedia Encyclopedia.) [Back to Text]
2 As with other New Age/pantheistic groups, Unity distinguishes
between Jesus, the man, and Christ, the divine consciousness. This
view of Christ is also shared by the Christian Science church of Mary
Baker Eddy. Unity states: "Jesus represents God's idea of man in
expression; Christ is that idea in the absolute." Unity draws a
similar concept of the birth of Jesus as many other New Age cults. The
Metaphysical Bible Dictionary, pp. 345-346, states: "In the individual
consciousness, the meaning of Jesus' being born in Bethlehem of Judea
is that the principles of truth have laid hold of the intelligent
substance of Spirit (Bethlehem), and through praise (Judea) have
brought the Christ into manifestation. It is wise to protect the
newborn spiritual consciousness from contact with Herod, the personal
ego; Herod seeks 'the young child to destroy him,' but under the
guidance of Spirit, no harm comes to the child. He is taken into Egypt
(down into the protected places of the subconsciousness), to remain
until the personal ego destroys itself; then the Christ child is free
to come forth and express." [Back to Text]
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*Some of the material in this report has been excerpted and/or adapted
from seven sources: (1) the 4/93 issue of The Discerner; (2) the 10/96
issue of the Mount Carmel Outreach; (3) Evaluating & Exposing Cultic &
Occultic Movements, Jack Sin, "Unity," April 2000, pp. 34-35; (4)
"Unity School of Christianity," Rick Branch (Watchman Fellowship
Profile, 1993); (5) Grolier's 1995 Multimedia Encyclopedia; (6) Funk &
Wagnall's Encyclopedia; and (7) What They Believe, Harold J. Berry
[HJB], BTTB:1990, pp. 289-304. [Back to Top]
Cyrano
"Ellenestnot" <depro...@MailandNews.com> wrote in message
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When we actually got to meet Mr. Turner, we realized that there was no way
that what the media was saying could be true. This man exuded charisma and
integrity. During his speech to us, he strongly indicated the need for
retail sales. "Retail sales are the foundation" Turner told us "If there's
no retail sales, your building on sand and it won't stand." Turner then told
us that was the reason he got out of another company called "Holiday Magic."
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or was it "Glenn Turner was a top distributor with Holiday Magic. He
revolted at the
Holiday Magic torture/brainwashing and started KOSCOT." or "In fact, Glenn
Turner
another MLM legend started out in Holiday Magic and left because of the
torture and brainwashing being done by HM and LDI."
Which is it? Did Leadership Dynamics Institute practice torture and
brainwashing way back in the late 1960's well before Alexander Everett and
Werner Erhard ever entered the picture?
"In 1967 he founded Koscot Interplanetary, Inc. " from:
http://www.inetresults.com/formor/sell12.html
Interesting.
Cyrano
Cyrano
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I bought a couple of books about Glenn Turner.
They might be the same book under two titles.
Con man or saint? by Frasca, John [$2.45]
The Unstoppable Glenn Turner by John Frasca $1.99
or course the shipping cost more than the items.
I will likely report if I find anything relevent to the early history of
Holiday Magic and the development of the Leadership Dynamics Institute.
Cyrano