RUSSIAN LANDMARK FORUM
Andrei Pozolotin
Education Corporation or EST. We are creating a critical mass of people that
will enable us to bring The Landmark Forum to Russia and former USSR. If you
or someone you know is interested, please e-mail us at:
Forum...@nikitova.com and join us at: http://nikitova.com/landmark -
Thank you. Andrei Pozolotin.
computeruser
Andrei Pozolotin <APozo...@nikitova.com> wrote in message
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Did you try Olin C. Robinson of the Salzburg Seminar?
He was interviewed by Werner in the mid 1980's and it began the USA /USSR
project [ I have a tape somewhere]
http://www.salzburgseminar.org/orcomments/index.cfm
http://www.salzburgseminar.org/orcomments/bio.cfm
Where Werner was trying to bring the work to USSR and you may try Werner
himself.
How is the russian economy can people pay for this work there? Sorry for the
naive American perspective.
quizling
<computer.user.69@.NOSPAM.hotsnail.com> wrote:
> How is the russian economy can people pay for this work there? Sorry for the
> naive American perspective.
Landmark Education already delivers their programs in countries where
the standard of living is so low that the cost of the Landmark Forum
would exceed the average annual salary, Kenya for example. In those
countries the cost of the Forum is discounted to allow people access to
the programs without bankrupting themselves. Given the state of the
Russian economy, a similar arrangement might be provided.
computeruser
Fred Kidd <f.k...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> Russian citizen ?
>
> Although LEC may "discount" their programs, why do they even charge a
> fee ?
>
>
> Fred Kidd
> fk...@bellsouth.net
They have been trying to get into russia for years:
East meets Est: the Soviets discover Werner Erhard; NASA, too, buys old line
revised for the 1980s; his nostrums for yuppies. Robert S. Greenberger.
The Wall Street Journal Dec 3, 1986 p1(W) p1(E) col 4 (35 col in)
Someone please go to the library and get this one.
compuertuser
Linda
computeruser wrote:
> They have been trying to get into russia for years:
> East meets Est: the Soviets discover Werner Erhard; NASA, too, buys old line
> revised for the 1980s; his nostrums for yuppies. Robert S. Greenberger.
> The Wall Street Journal Dec 3, 1986 p1(W) p1(E) col 4 (35 col in)
>
> Someone please go to the library and get this one.
Anyone got a subscription??? there's a twenty year archive and the
articles are $2.95
each...
Linda
computeruser wrote:
> They have been trying to get into russia for years:
>
> East meets Est: the Soviets discover Werner Erhard; NASA, too, buys old line
> revised for the 1980s; his nostrums for yuppies. Robert S. Greenberger.
> The Wall Street Journal Dec 3, 1986 p1(W) p1(E) col 4 (35 col in)
>
> Someone please go to the library and get this one.
est and Esalen
http://www.fireplug.net/~rshand/restricted/streams/ufos/esalen.html
In the thick of it mirror.
http://www.visitations.com/mindnet/MN202A.HTM
http://mindcontrolforum.com/MCF/mn202b.htm
oh heck there's the whole thing I think.
http://www.qedcorp.com/pcr/pcr/si04.html
Albania, et al
http://trancenet.org/personal/knapp/russia1.shtml
His Russian interpretor sheds clothes...for a little tant
http://www.newfrontier.com/nepal/Russia.htm
http://www.wiretapped.net/security/info/textfiles/k1ine/K1ine_10.txt
http://www.nationmakers.com/intro.htm
Red Rock Eaters Digest...
http://commons.somewhere.com/rre/2000/RRE.notes.and.recommenda2.html
Freezone ramblings.
http://www.fza.org/excal/excal04a.htm
Remember Kirby Urner?
http://www.cjfearnley.com/fuller-faq-6.html
Tedious sermon
http://csf.colorado.edu/forums/wsn/97.jan-apr/0034.html
Linda
Linda wrote:
>
> computeruser wrote:
>
> > They have been trying to get into russia for years:
http://communication.ucsd.edu/Old.LCHC/references/velham
Meantime, Sheila was fasci-nated with the people to whom she had been
introduced by Joseph. After a few days, when we met at the Pozners, we
naturally fell into a discussion about family clubs. Shortly before
midnight Joseph
ap-peared. With him was a man named Raz Ingrasci, who introduced himself
as
the Director of the international program of Werner Erhard, Associates
(referred
to as EST, Erhard Seminar Training). Here was my first introduction to
the hu-
man potential movement as vehicle of a new kind of diplomacy.
Ingrasci, we learned, was seeking to export Erhard's method of
transforming group consciousness to the Soviet Union. Why was the USSR
interested? Because his train-ing techniques were focused on ex-panded
productivity in the work-place, improved health, and in-creased feelings
of
personal well-being. Earlier that year Soviet au-thorities had made a
series of
highly publicized raids on Moscow stores in search of delinquent
workers;
anyone who could not excuse their absence from work was fined. In
February,
General Secretary Yuri Andropov had attacked people who had
"half-hearted
attitudes toward work" and were "sponges on soci-ety." Poor
productivity was
a large and increasingly severe national problem. At the same time, the
health of
the Soviet population was undergoing a marked decline. It did not
require a
psychologist to realize that people's sense of well-being was in crisis,
but at least
some psy-chologists in each country were say-ing that they could do
something
about the problem through group training. Although imported from the US,
Erhard's methods were coercive enough to be easily recognizable by
Soviet
authorities. Ingraci told us that his organization had already conducted
some
workshops for the Soviet Armed Forces, and he was excited about plans
for
introducing EST workshops in many walks of Soviet life.
We subsequently learned that Joseph himself was deeply involved
in
efforts to transform human con-sciousness through group processes, but
he was
more given to seeking individual transformation through the organization
of peak
experiences and life-celebrating collective ritu-als.3 As a graduate
student at the
Institute of Biophysics in the 1960s Joseph had become fascinated with
the idea
of "hidden human reserves" that could be made use of in prop-erly
organized
circumstances. He came in contact with staff from Esalen at a 1979
meeting on
the un-conscious in Tbilisi.4 Michael Murphy, Director of Esalen, had an
abiding
interest in similar techniques for promoting peak experiences,
in-terpersonal
harmony, and the ability to exploit untapped human powers (through, for
example, extrasensory perception, psychokinesis, shamanism, and so on).
That
year Esalen had created a special Soviet-American exchange program as a
means
for promoting harmonious Soviet-American relations while pur-suing their
common interest.
They sought to achieve greater international harmony through a
variety of
special projects focused on physical fitness, disease prevention, and
holistic
approaches to personal physical and psycholog-ical well-being. Moreover,
Esalen,
took an interest in problems of ad-ministration and management in large
modern
organizations; main-taining creativity and initiative in large,
hierarchically
organized com-mand and control systems was causing difficulties in large
American corporations, as well as the Soviet bureaucracy.
Through a study of their catalogue materials, Sheila found that
their
center in the Big Sur region of California ran special workshops for
managers to
complement work-shops aimed at increasing life satis-faction through
self
actualization. One 1982 workshop for managers sought to deal with such
issues
as "rapid rate of change, motivation and worker needs, conflict
resolu-tion,
participative management, communication, leadership, team building, and
stress
management." Participants were told that they would "discover how
problems
can be used as opportunities and how sudden shocks and surprises can be
used
to improve performance." They would leave the workshop possess-ing "the
tools
and opportunities to learn how to handle these problems in order to
increase
productivity and creativity in their relationships with clients and
colleagues."
She reports that one of the workshops on love and work ("Work is love
made
visi-ble"- K. Gibran) was designed for those "discontented with their
work lives."
There was, as Sheila discov-ered, a remarkable symmetry be-tween Soviet
and
American interests in the topic of human potential, and a remarkable
similarity
of cultural forms.
Linda
Linda wrote:
>
> computeruser wrote:
>
> > They have been trying to get into russia for years:
Dorothy Rosenberg...
http://www.foreignpolicy-infocus.org/briefs/vol3/v3n25fsu.html
Linda
Linda wrote:
Too damn weird.
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a3850cf6b687f.htm
Hitler, in the early 1930's, had an excellent "spinmeister" who traveled
not only throughout Europe but even to America. It was this man's job to
explain Hitler's internal policies, especially those policies regarding
Germany's "domestic safety". This man explained before the world why it
was necessary for Hitler to round up and imprison 1700 evangelical
Christian leaders, why it was necessary to close evangelical Christian
churches, why, in fact, it was necessary to ban "fundamentalist
Christianity". This
man's name was Joseph Rosenberg and shortly after Hitler succeeded in
stilling the voices of Christians Joseph Rosenberg himself "disappeared"
- he was among the first of the millions of Jews Hitler eventually
killed. Joseph Rosenberg had served
Hitler well. And I see, now in America, history repeating itself.
computeruser
Linda <linc...@swbell.net> wrote in message
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What about the America Traitor spies who were executed the Rosenberg's? I
have always wondered about any relationship there, what with the far left
leanings of most I have met around Landmark [talk about bullies ya'll on the
left can be the worst.] and later when this US/USSR project came out. I have
to admit Rosenberg is a fairly common name.
computeruser
computeruser
curtain comming down?
computeruser
Linda <linc...@swbell.net> wrote in message
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computeruser
Send it to me me privately.
Mail it to: computeruser69 at hotmail.com [put this together replace the
word at with @]
Sorry for the sophisticated SPAM block, it does seem to help.
computeruser
Fred Kidd <f.k...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 25 Mar 2001 20:36:36 -0500, Fred Kidd <f.k...@bellsouth.net>
> wrote:
>
> >On Sun, 25 Mar 2001 17:48:02 -0600, Linda <linc...@swbell.net> wrote:
> >>> East meets Est: the Soviets discover Werner Erhard; NASA, too, buys
old line
> >>> revised for the 1980s; his nostrums for yuppies. Robert S.
Greenberger.
> >>> The Wall Street Journal Dec 3, 1986 p1(W) p1(E) col 4 (35 col
in)
> >>>
> >>> Someone please go to the library and get this one.
> >>
> >>Anyone got a subscription??? there's a twenty year archive and the
> >>articles are $2.95
> >>each...
> >>
> >>http://public.wsj.com/home.html
> >
> >Yep--I have both print and online subscriptions but the article is
> >probably copyrighted and I fear the WSJ more than I fear LEC.
> >
> >I'll see if I can pull it up.
>
> OK. I have it. Now what.
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> Sorry, but I don't have a spare $100K lying around (see NASDAQ @
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Linda
computeruser wrote:
>
> Linda <linc...@swbell.net> wrote in message
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> >
> >
> > Linda wrote:
> > >
> > > computeruser wrote:
> > >
> > > > They have been trying to get into russia for years:
> >
> > Dorothy Rosenberg...
> >
> > http://www.foreignpolicy-infocus.org/briefs/vol3/v3n25fsu.html
>
> What about the America Traitor spies who were executed the Rosenberg's?
They weren't traitors, they were framed!!!
but I digress.
The name Rosenberg, It got a lot of ugly press at the time Mr. Erhard
was... How old? Let's do the math... Born Sept 5, 1935... It was a very
sensational story at the time.
>I
> have always wondered about any relationship there, what with the far left
> leanings of most I have met around Landmark [talk about bullies ya'll on the
> left can be the worst.] and later when this US/USSR project came out. I have
> to admit Rosenberg is a fairly common name.
Yes, Like Don Juan. :-)
There was a Joseph Rosenberg who started a Socialist party in Egypt in
1921...
How amusing if some super spin-meister ...? Well it makes an interesting
theory, kinda of a super adolescent fantasy ...but reality is quite
mundane...
This JR was 25 in 1935...too young and busy getting married.
Joseph Rosenberg born in America. Son of Nathan Roseberg and Clara
Kaufmann, born in Russia.
Dorothy Clauson... English/Swedish.... born of William E. Clauson and
Bessie George.
This Joe Rosenberg was (interesting to note), a terrific orator.
note, Fair use quote coming up.
Page 7 chapter Donning the mask... in Bartletts Bio.
"Joe made Billy Grahamn sound like he was sitting crocheting' reports
Norm Danoff.
"When Joe was a Baptist, there wasn't a soul within a mile who didn't
hear about it. He had an incredibly loud voice. And he would talk for
hours on end."
I can easily imagine how that went over in an old Philadelphia High
Church Episcopalian family. :-0
Linda
Linda
line
revised for the 1980s; his nostrums for yuppies. Robert S. Greenberger.
The Wall Street Journal Dec 3, 1986 p1(W) p1(E) col 4 (35 col in)
SAUSALITO, Calif. -- The video recording that flickers on the television
screen shows a startling scene: Werner Erhard, the founder of est and a
guru of the Me Generation, is lecturing a group of Soviet bureaucrats.
Standing in a Moscow auditorium beneath a picture of Lenin, Mr. Erhard
turns to Alex, a Soviet manager, and demands to know how long it would
take the man to alter his job. The hapless Alex, conspicuous in a
front-row seat, answers, "It's difficult to say."
But Mr. Erhard persists: "Say three weeks. Say it, say it." Alex finally
submits, and Mr. Erhard says triumphantly, "He creates the possibility
of finding new approaches to his work in three weeks!"
And so East meets est. The Kremlin thinks that Mr. Erhard's brand of
instant self-help could motivate the sluggish Soviet bureaucracy. Last
June, Mr. Erhard gave a five-day course to about 60 Soviet managers in
the workers' state, his first seminar under a three-year contract that
also will allow Soviet officials to study his teaching methods in the
U.S. "I think we can introduce some alternative ways of thinking and
looking at things," Mr. Erhard explains. "That's our
business-breakthroughs."
Mr. Erhard has made some breakthroughs of his own. He has folded the
inward-looking est of the 1970s and is cashing in on the businesslike
1980s. Est (the name stands for Erhard Seminars Training and also is
Latin for "is") promised to "transform your ability to experience
living," making old problems "clear up just in the process of life
itself." Now he has repackaged est into programs designed to improve
management and increase productivity.
The Forum, a $525 version of est for yuppies, promises to deliver -- in
sessions taking up two weekends and an evening -- "a decisive edge in
your ability to achieve." And he has started Transformational
Technologies to franchise his ideas to management consultants. They, in
turn, sell them to organizations such as General Electric Co. and the
National Aeronautics and Space Administration. Mr. Erhard says he also
is lecturing in China, Israel, India, and several Latin American
countries besides the Soviet Union.
The new activities are just "a re-configuration of the same old thing,"
says Ronald Enroth, the chairman of the sociology department at Westmont
College in Santa Barbara, Calif. He says that Mr. Erhard promotes simple
ideas about achieving creative "breakthroughs" by using his own code
words applied with subtle peer pressure.
The Erhard organization insists that the new courses do differ sharply
from est. Speaking to a group of about 40 candidates for the Forum in
San Francisco, an Erhard operative says, "They're so totally different
it's staggering." The Forum "includes est, and you not only get to see
the back of the hand but the front of the hand," she says with a smile.
No one in the room is daring enough to ask what that means.
Werner Erhard has spent a restless lifetime looking for both sides of
the hand. Born Jack Rosenberg, the son of a Jewish father turned Baptist
and an Episcopalian mother, he began dabbling in yoga at age 11. He sold
cars in Philadelphia using the name Jack Frost. When he abandoned his
wife and four small children to run away with a woman named June Bryde,
he plucked his current name from a magazine article about prominent
Germans-Werner from Werner Heisenberg, a physicist and philosopher, and
Erhard from Ludwig Erhard, the political leader.
"I took the low road, everything that didn't work," Mr. Erhard says. But
now, as a result of his work, "people can create the same kind of
breakthrough for themselves that I had, but they don't have to take the
low road."
William Gaylin, a psychiatrist and the president of the Hastings Center,
a nonprofit research group that studies ethical issues in medicine, says
Mr. Erhard is offering "a quick fix -- simple solutions to agonizing
problems." The Erhard nostrums appeal to "a vulnerable population ready
for magic," he says.
The Russians, apparently, are vulnerable. In 1980, Mr. Erhard approached
Valentin Bereskov, a Soviet embassy official, because he wanted to learn
more about East-West relations. But the Russians were more interested in
est. After lengthy negotiations and two auditions before Soviet
officials, Mr. Erhard was invited to Moscow this year by Znanie, a
Soviet adult-education organization.
Mr. Erhard's videotape of the Soviet sessions shows some awkward moments
in Moscow. "The rule on a slave ship is that you don't stand out," he
tells the bureaucrats. "Don't pull your oar with any strength, the other
slaves don't like it."
There is complete silence. "You don't get the joke, do you?" he asks.
And then, some Werner-speak: "You're really capable of doing it
yourselves if you can give yourselves some room, if you can provide a
clearing for each other when you're speaking and when you're listening
to each other speaking."
For the Russians, though, listening to Mr. Erhard speaking was no easy
feat. About 100 times during the five-day session, the lecture ground to
a halt as Mr. Erhard, the Russian-speaking aide he had brought with him
and two Soviets providing simultaneous translation huddled to discuss
exactly how to convey Mr. Erhard's meaning to the bureaucrats. For
instance, Mr. Erhard's phrase "I speak possibilities" was translated "I
speak of possibilities," which apparently doesn't mean the same thing.
Olin Robison, a Soviet expert who accompanied Mr. Erhard to Moscow,
says, "What surprised me was how patient they were in trying to
understand what he was talking about." Mr. Robison, who is the president
of Middlebury College in Vermont, adds that "the interpreters were
working with standard English."
But the dozen or so Soviet officials looking on -- including, Mr. Erhard
suspects, KGB security agents -- knew what they didn't want to hear.
After the first day, they complained that his talk about motivation put
too much emphasis on the role of individuals. That made the collectivist
Russians nervous. Mr. Erhard adjusted his presentation. "We didn't open
both barrels," he says. But by the final day, "They were seeing that our
work was giving people a freedom of expression that was making a
fundamental contribution to the society."
Mr. Erhard insists that the Russians loved it. At one point, he recalls,
one of the Soviet translators blurted out, "Why, we could have read this
on the front page of Pravda last week! Comrade Gorbachev tells us that
if the Soviet Union is to meet its goals, it will have to do something
about the human factor."
Under his contract with the Soviets, Mr. Erhard isn't getting paid for
trying to stir Moscow's bureaucracy. But he is making money from his
efforts to improve management in the U.S.
In July 1984, he assembled a group of business consultants, all veterans
of est or the Forum, to announce Transformational Technologies. For
$20,000 and 8% of their annual gross, they could buy a Transformational
Technologies franchise and peddle Mr. Erhard's ideas to their corporate
clients. Forty-three consulting firms signed up in the first year, and
Mr. Erhard's new venture grossed about $1 million and earned $488,000.
Last summer, Mr. Erhard and Transformational Technologies invited a
group of business executives to San Francisco to talk about management
skills. Drawing a picture on a blackboard of a tennis court and rows of
stands, he says, "In the stands, we talk about the game being played on
the court, and we think the talk in the stands represents what's
actually taking place on the court."
Mr. Erhard tells the executives that he isn't selling the cheap talk in
the stands; he is selling the real thing. "What we've developed is a
technology that gives you access to what's happening on the court," he
says. Confused? "No one is going to accuse me of explaining things
clearly, unfortunately," Mr. Erhard says later.
But the message makes sense to Mona Tycz, the planning and control
manager for a space-station project at NASA. Ms. Tycz, an est graduate,
persuaded the U.S. government to spend $45,000 for a five-day workshop
for 50 NASA engineers and managers held by Mr. Erhard and his
associates.
Ms. Tycz says that many of the participants have made breakthroughs in
projects they are managing but that she can't be specific because of
security concerns. In her own work, she adds, "I'm now designing
management, rather than looking at it as if there are already answers to
how-to."
That's what they're trying to do in Moscow, too.
Linda
Fred Kidd wrote:
> Statutory damages can be awarded up to $100,000, plus attorney fees
> and court costs, depending upon the nature and malevolence of the
> infringement.
> Sorry, but I don't have a spare $100K lying around (see NASDAQ @
> 1928.68 today vs 3100+)
Me neither...
But I got 5 lbs of Yukon Gold Seed potatoes that need planting
out....Today.
Now that's worth somethin'
:-)
Linda
computeruser
computeruser
>
>
> computeruser wrote:
> >
> > Linda <linc...@swbell.net> wrote in message
> > news:3ABE93B9...@swbell.net...
> > >
> > >
> > > Linda wrote:
> > > >
> > > > computeruser wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > They have been trying to get into russia for years:
> > >
> > > Dorothy Rosenberg...
> > >
> > > http://www.foreignpolicy-infocus.org/briefs/vol3/v3n25fsu.html
> >
> > What about the America Traitor spies who were executed the Rosenberg's?
>
> They weren't traitors, they were framed!!!
I'll bite, please site your evidence.
computeruser
Linda
computeruser wrote:
> > > What about the America Traitor spies who were executed the Rosenberg's?
> >
> > They weren't traitors, they were framed!!!
>
> I'll bite, please site your evidence.
Andrei Pozolotin
Thank you very much for your contributions.
I would like specifically acknowledge "Computer User" for his reference
to Mr. Olin C. Robinson.
I feel I owe you a clarification: all I'm asking is to assist me in
looking for people, if you can.
However, I welcome and I'm available to answer all your other questions,
concerns and suggestions in person.
Please call me +1 (847) 757- 4758, 9 am to 9 pm Central Standard Time
or e-mail me your number and convenient time to call.
Thank you for providing your listening to this conversation.
With best regards,
Andrei Pozolotin
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Estie
=====
> Please call me +1 (847) 757- 4758, 9 am to 9 pm Central Standard Time
>or e-mail me your number and convenient time to call.
>"Andrei Pozolotin" <APozo...@nikitova.com> wrote in message
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>> Hello, we are looking for Russian-speaking Graduates of The Landmark
>> Education Corporation or EST. We are creating a critical mass of people
>that
>> will enable us to bring The Landmark Forum to Russia and former USSR. If
>you
>> or someone you know is interested, please e-mail us at:
>> Forum...@nikitova.com and join us at: http://nikitova.com/landmark -
>> Thank you. Andrei Pozolotin.
You're not IN Russia?
Didn't we have someone in Israel or Australia who wanted the Forum done in
North Korea?
Whatever happened to self-determination?
- Estie
ozn...@gmail.com
bentot
>Right? It's like paying $1. For a pint of water. Should be free.
overhead cost of providing the free product?
My water company pulls free water from the earth and charges me for
it. The Creater gets nothing but used water back. So who is the
parasite?
an...@moreboats.com
We are now having Russian Speaking forums in NY and LA. In fact we are having the first Speaking translation in Los Angeles on March 25th, 2016. We are doing all we can to spread the Transformation among Russian Speaking people of US and we have visitors from Russia, Ukraine, etc. If you want to be a part of our group email me directly. We are getting close every day - be a part if it. Thank you!
tubby
On another note Good Luck with your Forum. I hope it works for all the participants!!!
an...@moreboats.com
Serena Nordstrup
> On Saturday, March 24, 2001 at 7:16:40 PM UTC-8, Andrei Pozolotin wrote:
> > Hello, we are looking for Russian-speaking Graduates of The Landmark
> > Education Corporation or EST. We are creating a critical mass of people that
> > will enable us to bring The Landmark Forum to Russia and former USSR. If you
> > or someone you know is interested, please e-mail us at:
> > Forum...@nikitova.com and join us at: http://nikitova.com/landmark -
anna.i...@gmail.com
Anna
Привет всем!
Лэндмарк Форум на Русском языке будет проходить в Лос Анджелесе в Декабре 2016 года. 2, 3, 4, и 6 Декабря. Свяжитесь с нами, если вы хотите принять участие или если вы знаете кого-то, кто заинтересован в Форуме. Мы стоим за Любовь, Мир и Самовыражение!
Serena Nordstrup
> Hello everyone! Landmark Forum in Russian is happening in Los Angeles on December 2, 3, 4 and 6. That is amazing news.
tubby
> On Wednesday, September 21, 2016 at 9:50:44 PM UTC, anna.i...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Hello everyone! Landmark Forum in Russian is happening in Los Angeles on December 2, 3, 4 and 6. That is amazing news.
>
> Hardly amazing news - unless one counts self-puffery and inappropriately placed advertizing as news or even as something out of the ordinary.
Be there !!!!
Serena Nordstrup
> On Saturday, 24 September 2016 11:26:54 UTC+10, Serena Nordstrup wrote:
> > On Wednesday, September 21, 2016 at 9:50:44 PM UTC, anna.i...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > Hello everyone! Landmark Forum in Russian is happening in Los Angeles on December 2, 3, 4 and 6. That is amazing news.
> >
> > Hardly amazing news - unless one counts self-puffery and inappropriately placed advertizing as news or even as something out of the ordinary.
>
> The amazing news is that you are going to attend it.
> Booking has been made and everyone is excited to see you in the flesh!
> !!!!
You will recall the implications of a plethora of shrieks.
> Be there !
Your verbalizing will demonstrably make it so, Bruno. But I may have to wait until December for you to produce photographic evidence of my attendance. Still, I kook forward to seeing your pics.
tubby
> On Sunday, September 25, 2016 at 1:39:53 PM UTC, tubby wrote:
> > On Saturday, 24 September 2016 11:26:54 UTC+10, Serena Nordstrup wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, September 21, 2016 at 9:50:44 PM UTC, anna.i...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > Hello everyone! Landmark Forum in Russian is happening in Los Angeles on December 2, 3, 4 and 6. That is amazing news.
> > >
> > > Hardly amazing news - unless one counts self-puffery and inappropriately placed advertizing as news or even as something out of the ordinary.
> >
> > The amazing news is that you are going to attend it.
>
> Thanks for pointing this out, Bruno. I had not noticed my own presence amidst all the puffery and advertizing.
>
> > Booking has been made and everyone is excited to see you in the flesh!
>
> Everyone!
>
> > !!!!
>
> You will recall the implications of a plethora of shrieks.
>
> > Be there !
>
> Your verbalizing will demonstrably make it so, Bruno. But I may have to wait until December for you to produce photographic evidence of my attendance. Still, I kook forward to seeing your pics.
By the way you are fluent in Russian?????
cheers from Down under.
Always thinking of you when I'm leading a small course "Non violent Communication " I have a 93 year old in my class who is ever so delightful and sharp who would like to meet you.
Serena Nordstrup
> On Monday, 26 September 2016 15:02:32 UTC+10, Serena Nordstrup wrote:
> > On Sunday, September 25, 2016 at 1:39:53 PM UTC, tubby wrote:
> > > On Saturday, 24 September 2016 11:26:54 UTC+10, Serena Nordstrup wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, September 21, 2016 at 9:50:44 PM UTC, anna.i...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > Hello everyone! Landmark Forum in Russian is happening in Los Angeles on December 2, 3, 4 and 6. That is amazing news.
> > > >
> > > > Hardly amazing news - unless one counts self-puffery and inappropriately placed advertizing as news or even as something out of the ordinary.
> > >
> > > The amazing news is that you are going to attend it.
> >
> > Thanks for pointing this out, Bruno. I had not noticed my own presence amidst all the puffery and advertizing.
> >
> > > Booking has been made and everyone is excited to see you in the flesh!
> >
> > Everyone!
> >
> > > !!!!
> >
> > You will recall the implications of a plethora of shrieks.
> >
> > > Be there !
> >
> > Your verbalizing will demonstrably make it so, Bruno. But I may have to wait until December for you to produce photographic evidence of my attendance. Still, I kook forward to seeing your pics.
>
> A simple request for you to attend because we all love you!!!!!!!
You will recall the implications of a plethora of shrieks.
> By the way you are fluent in Russian?????
> cheers from Down under.
>
> Always thinking of you
> when I'm leading a small course "Non violent Communication "
> I have a 93 year old in my class who is ever so delightful and sharp who would like to meet you.
Serena Nordstrup
> > On Sunday, September 25, 2016 at 1:39:53 PM UTC, tubby wrote:
> > > On Saturday, 24 September 2016 11:26:54 UTC+10, Serena Nordstrup wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, September 21, 2016 at 9:50:44 PM UTC, anna.i...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > Hello everyone! Landmark Forum in Russian is happening in Los Angeles on December 2, 3, 4 and 6. That is amazing news.
> > > >
> > > > Hardly amazing news - unless one counts self-puffery and inappropriately placed advertizing as news or even as something out of the ordinary.
> > >
> > > The amazing news is that you are going to attend it.
> >
> > Thanks for pointing this out, Bruno. I had not noticed my own presence amidst all the puffery and advertizing.
> >
> > > Booking has been made and everyone is excited to see you in the flesh!
> >
> > Everyone!
> >
> > > !!!!
> >
> > You will recall the implications of a plethora of shrieks.
> >
> > > Be there !
> >
> > Your verbalizing will demonstrably make it so, Bruno. But I may have to wait until December for you to produce photographic evidence of my attendance. Still, I kook forward to seeing your pics.
>
> A simple request for you to attend because we all love you!
bentot
Beginning to sound like Ellen, the junk yard dog!
Serena Nordstrup
> Beginning to sound like Ellen, the junk yard dog!
bentot
tubby
Good to hear from you and see you are still in good form.
All well Down Under. Am teaching a Communication Course however very small class but I have a 93 year old which inspires us all with his insights and curious search to be able to explore areas of our past so as to understand who we are maybe???? ALso have a Theatre Director with a checkered past who also is very productive in trying to figure out why his personal relationships are so stuffed up.
And me well I enjoy facilitating it and building on the insights about myself that I was able to enjoy from my Landmark experience.
Where are we, who are we, and where are we going is the theme I am working towards . Serena has already accomplished these actions and that s why I was interested'in inviting her as a guest lecturer to help us further these goals. I hope she accepts this challenge but of course there is a catch that no one gets paid. Its all volunteers sharing in a similar way that Landmark operates through people and goodwill. Just wonder whether Serena is into sharing or whether she wants to get paid????
All the best to you Ben and your lovely sweetheart!!!!
Serena Nordstrup
Serena Nordstrup
> On Friday, 7 October 2016 02:46:39 UTC+11, bentot wrote:
> Am teaching a Communication Course however very small class but I have a 93 year old which inspires us all with his insights and curious search to be able to explore areas of our past so as to understand who we are maybe?
> ??? ALso have a Theatre Director with a checkered past who also is very productive in trying to figure out why his personal relationships are so stuffed up.
> And me well I enjoy facilitating it and building on the insights about myself that I was able to enjoy from my Landmark experience.
> Where are we, who are we, and where are we going is the theme I am working towards .
Or perhaps it has to with coarsing.
> Serena has already accomplished these actions and that s why I was interested'
> in inviting her as a guest lecturer to help us further these goals. I hope she accepts this challenge but of course there is a catch that no one gets paid. Its all volunteers sharing in a similar way that Landmark operates through people and goodwill.
> Just wonder whether Serena is into sharing or whether she wants to get paid?
> ???
> All the best to you Ben and your lovely sweetheart!!!!
bentot
Serena Nordstrup
tubby
> > ??? ALso have a Theatre Director with a checkered past who also is very productive in trying to figure out why his personal relationships are so stuffed up.
>
> This too may have something to do with ~communication~.
> > And me well I enjoy facilitating it and building on the insights about myself that I was able to enjoy from my Landmark experience.
>
> Even this may have something to do with ~communication~.
> > Where are we, who are we, and where are we going is the theme I am working towards .
>
> ... something to do with ~communication~ - just what remains anyone's guess.
> Or perhaps it has to with coarsing.
>
> > Serena has already accomplished these actions and that s why I was interested'
>
> ... once upon a time you had an interest...
> > in inviting her as a guest lecturer to help us further these goals. I hope she accepts this challenge but of course there is a catch that no one gets paid. Its all volunteers sharing in a similar way that Landmark operates through people and goodwill.
>
> ... except that so-called ~landmark~ charges participants and pays ~leaders~.
> > Just wonder whether Serena is into sharing or whether she wants to get paid?
>
> I merely point to the overwhelming material benefits each of us has gained over the years for our carefully crafted ~contributions~ to alt.fan,landmark
>
> > ???
> > All the best to you Ben and your lovely sweetheart!!!!
>
> At some stage sweethearts too may become aware of the implications of a plethora of shrieks.
Serena Nordstrup
> > > ??? ALso have a Theatre Director with a checkered past who also is very productive in trying to figure out why his personal relationships are so stuffed up.
> >
> > This too may have something to do with ~communication~.
>
> Yes
> > > And me well I enjoy facilitating it and building on the insights about myself that I was able to enjoy from my Landmark experience.
> >
> > Even this may have something to do with ~communication~.
>
> Yes
> > > Where are we, who are we, and where are we going is the theme I am working towards .
> >
> > ... something to do with ~communication~ - just what remains anyone's guess.
>
> Not really. Just use your imagination !!!!!
> >
> > Or perhaps it has to with coarsing.
>
> Why so?
> ??? Can you elaborate and explain why you think so ???
>
> >
> > > Serena has already accomplished these actions and that s why I was interested'
> >
> > ... once upon a time you had an interest...
>
> Yes
> >
> > > in inviting her as a guest lecturer to help us further these goals. I hope she accepts this challenge but of course there is a catch that no one gets paid. Its all volunteers sharing in a similar way that Landmark operates through people and goodwill.
> >
> > ... except that so-called ~landmark~ charges participants and pays ~leaders~.
>
> Yes
> > > Just wonder whether Serena is into sharing or whether she wants to get paid?
> >
> > I merely point to the overwhelming material benefits each of us has gained over the years for our carefully crafted ~contributions~ to alt.fan,landmark
>
> Yes
> > > ???
> > > All the best to you Ben and your lovely sweetheart!!!!
> >
> > At some stage sweethearts too may become aware of the implications of a plethora of shrieks.
>
> Really !
> !!!
tubby
> > > > Where are we, who are we, and where are we going is the theme I am working towards .
> > >
> > > ... something to do with ~communication~ - just what remains anyone's guess.
> >
> > Not really. Just use your imagination !!!!!
> > >
> > > Or perhaps it has to with coarsing.
> >
> > Why so?
>
> Unable to see the connection between ~being~ and travel ~communication~, I wonder whether your theme has something to do with coarse-taking.
>
> > ??? Can you elaborate and explain why you think so ???
Serena Nordstrup
> > > > > Where are we, who are we, and where are we going is the theme I am working towards .
> > > >
> > > > ... something to do with ~communication~ - just what remains anyone's guess.
> > >
> > > Not really. Just use your imagination !!!!!
> > > >
> > > > Or perhaps it has to with coarsing.
> > >
> > > Why so?
> >
> > Unable to see the connection between ~being~ and travel ~communication~, I wonder whether your theme has something to do with coarse-taking.
> >
> > > ??? Can you elaborate and explain why you think so ???
>
> Can you elaborate and explain why you think so ?? Coarse taking ?????
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> If anyone can help, I am a contractor in Toronto Ontario, and have a phenomenal labourer who is Ukrainian and speaks very broken English. I would love for him to have the opportunity to take the landmark forum here in Canada, but need to either find a forum run in Russian, or a translator.
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