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HAPPYsamurai
but what intrigues me is the statements about lying
the harvard PDF comments on it in a similar way to longafternoons
criticism of the waitress girl
but at least werner and jensen do show some insight into managements
role in the "conversation" when expecting the workers to "give their
word"
ie - you can't hold a person to their word if you didn't clearly
define what was expected of them
but considering the hunger project and the werners other "humanitarian
(?) efforts
"I didn't arrive at the opportunity to make the world work for
everyone by figuring out how to do it."
60 Minutes, broadcast on Werner Erhard, March 3, 1991,
" The est philosophy is not a belief system and most certainly ought
not to be believed. In any case, even the truth, when believed, is a
lie."
was he presenting the idea of "making the world work" or "ending
hunger" as his "belief" or as a "truth" ?
in the harvard pdf the emphasis appears to be on action - and yet
werner seems to give himself the actionable role of "using words" in a
way that, by his actions, he seems to not feel any need to "keep"
all this "In any case, even the truth, when believed, is a lie." would
make sense if he had kept his word and ended hunger - or, taken his
own advice and not lead others to believe he was in any way giving his
word to actions in that area...
by that I mean,
if he wants to inspire others to keep their word
if he wants the emphasis to be on action
if he wants to be considered an expert on modern leadership
can it be shown in anyway that he has actually "lead by example" ?
patrick
nope, not that i am aware of
tubby Tanner
"HAPPYsamurai" <profst...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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Does it really matter?????
Sure he was a mere mortal with all the faults of all of us mere mortals.
Isn't what was said and experienced in the workshops if relevant , more
important
than the behaviour of who said it.
Isn't it about time that we all take on the mantle of leadership
and lead by example rather than waiting to be lead.
cheers
>
HAPPYsamurai
>
> > can it be shown in anyway that he has actually "lead by example" ?
>
> Does it really matter?????
not to you perhaps
but to me - I find it a little rude that longafternoon would call a
young waitress a liar for following her conscience
while saying nothing about a man who writes about the word liar to a
havard class -
also - his ability to practice what he preaches [ie honor his word]
-- shows the WORKABILITY of his SYSTEM
if he cannot honor his word - he effects the integrity of his system
does this matter?
>
> Sure he was a mere mortal with all the faults of all of us mere mortals.
as was the young waitress
>
> Isn't what was said and experienced in the workshops if relevant , more
> important
> than the behaviour of who said it.
my point would be this Bruno
IF werner can't make what he says work in HIS life
why do YOU expect to make it work in YOUR life?
>
> Isn't it about time that we all take on the mantle of leadership
> and lead by example rather than waiting to be lead.
a bold statement Bruno - perhaps you could honor your word and lead by
starting a thread on this very subject
HAPPYsamurai
>
> > if he wants to inspire others to keep their word
>
> > if he wants the emphasis to be on action
>
> > if he wants to be considered an expert on modern leadership
>
> > can it be shown in anyway that he has actually "lead by example" ?
>
> Does it really matter?????
>
You keep your word by:
doing what you said you would do and on time
doing what you know to do and doing it the way it was meant to be
done, and on time, unless you have said you would not do it
doing what others would expect you to do even if you have never said
you would do it, and doing it on time, unless you have said you would
not do it and you have made your expectations of others clear to them
by making explicit requests
being willing to be held accountable (when you assert something) that
others would accept your evidence on the issue as valid
Serena Nordstrup
> "HAPPYsamurai" <profstock...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
if someone cares enough to research the topic and ask the question, it
matters. Really.
> Sure he was a mere mortal with all the faults of all of us mere mortals.
Plus the extra faults associated with ~Source~-mortals...
> Isn't what was said and experienced in the workshops if relevant , more
> important
> than the behaviour of who said it.
Some people have an interest in the personal approach. Some people
latch onto ideas. And others get side-tracked into ~experience~.
Shall we regard statements and queries made in postings as
intrinsically relevant and far more important than the inferred
behavior of the posters?
> Isn't it about time that we all take on the mantle of leadership
All?
> and lead by example rather than waiting to be lead.
No. Not until Thursday at the earliest. Then perhaps we can sort out
the ~leadership~ roles and the remaining 99 percent can then
concentrate on criticism of those gullible enough to fall for the
~leadership~ paradigm.
In the meantime we can slough aside the red herrings and go back to
the discussion-topic of rosenbergist lying.
Slimily
Serena
HAPPYsamurai
i think Bruno many be meaning personal autonomy