I went to visit Paul Bernardo yesterday
Bob
Yes, Galligan did meet Karla at Kingston Pen. And no, the Parole Board never interviewed Karla, except that when an
inmate has served 2/3 of their sentence, they do analyze the inmate to see where he/she is at in her/his progress. But
as I said before, the psychiatrists who have known Karla for years, have all said that she is a dangerous sexual
ofender, she is definetely a threat to society. I will try to finf that report for you....it is on the internet, not
sure where though.
JB wrote:
> Bob,
>
> I believe Galligan interviewed a tremendous amount of people involved in the case, not just a few hours with Karla,
> as a matter of fact, I don't think he ever met Karla, as his report was strictly a legal finding on the events of
> the case, not one of determining guilt or innonence.
>
> Having said that, I also believe the Parole Board never interviewed Karla either, as she may have refused to do so
> and accepted (or forced) a "no parole" decision.
>
> One can also have the opinion that the Parole Board decision also was in the light in "saving political asses"
> considering their reasoning of sexual offender when she never was found guilty or even tried for those crimes.
>
> Obvious, Karla was involved is sexual crimes, however shouldn't she have been convicted of those crimes in order
> for the Parole Board to use this excuse for her rejection? If so, I believe that while Karla would've been found
> guilty of sexual abuse, the defense would've had a field day in establishing that Karla was not root of the crimes
> and the Sexual Sadist / sexual "slave" (for lack of a better term) would have reduced her sentence. Maybe even to
> the point that she would've been placed into a detention center to take some help.
>
> JB
>
> Bob wrote:
>
> > JB:
> > I am glad to hear you say that Paul is NOT horribly misunderstood, but I would like to hear you say the same
> > about Karla. You keep referring to the Galligan Report everytime you say anything "positive" about Karla..and
> > that is fine except that when the parole board rejected her request for release last year, they referred to her
> > as a dangerous sexual offender. They even went as far as to say that she was NOT a victim of Paul Bernardo.
> > They also said that she disregarded anyone's safety for her own sexual gratification. And that assessment came
> > from psychiatrists and coucellors who have known her for years....Not a retired Judge who spoke to her for a
> > couple of hours before he made that assessment...And to save the asses of his political buddies.
> >
> > JB wrote:
> >
> > > I would love to hear why you think Paul is misunderstood, either post it here or please email me.
> > >
> > > JB
> > >
> > > connie rahim wrote:
> > >
> > > > x-no-archive: yes
> > > >
> > > > sexyde...@aol.com (sexydebi4818) wrote in message news:<20020805095304...@mb-cs.aol.com>...
> > > > > Um, yes I do know Paul & I have known him for a few years. As far as his sister
> > > > > Debbie not visiting Paul
> > > >
> > > > Paul is horribly misunderstood.
> > > >
> > > > Btw, i don't understand why this group gets so much more traffic than
> > > > alt.fan.paul-bernardo. you can't even post to that group from google,
> > > > and it has almost no traffic.
JB
No doubt there are many pyschiatrists which say she is dangerous and no doubt that there are many that don't.
JB
sexydebi4818
about Paul. I also get attacked because I personally know him, why I would lie
about knowing Paul?? I mean it is not like I am saying that Madonna is a
personal friend of mine. Anyways there is so much about Paul & his case that
many people do not know. Connie, if you want to talk please email me at
sexyde...@aol.com
JB
I was not attacking you, I would love to hear why you think he was / is misunderstood. I believe when
someone posts an opinion, there should also be a thought behind it so that we may be able to understand
your point of view, debate it and / or comment to it.
After all this is the forum for discussion / debate.
JB
connie rahim wrote:
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> JB <jbn...@optonline.net> wrote in message news:<3D55D401...@optonline.net>...
> > I would love to hear why you think Paul is misunderstood, either post it here or please email me.
> >
> >
>
> every time that i bring up my opinion in person or on the web, i am
> attacked, so i'll stop now.
JB
am sure there are alot more people reading your message that did not reply.
As I stated previously, if you make a statement, IMO you should at least give
reasoning and the basis of your point of view.
JB
Bob
Without a reasonning, I can not respect that opinion...let alone consider it. Look at you, you and I
disagree about Karla but since you give me your reasons for your beliefs, I have no choice but to respect
it....I am not at the "consideration" status yet...lol And I don't want the kind of reply that says: "If
you want my reasonning, e-mail me". I don't play that game. After all, this is a forum of
discussion/debate, so let's keep it that way.
Lanze
explained my reasoning for this and apologized to the group for letting my
emotions get the worst of me . We all have our opinions and are allowed to
express them here freely . So , if your beliefs are that strong and true
then no one person's opinion should scare you away . Any reaction is better
than none , after all why do we bother posting at all .
"connie rahim" <connie....@spamgourmet.com> wrote in message
news:53adafbc.02081...@posting.google.com...
lisa
> It's intriguing to me how anybody could be interested in a guy like
> Bernardo. This guy has committed literally unspeakable atrocities
> against women--murder is bad enough, but then throw in his perversions
> and fetishes and you have the epitome of pure evil. And I truly believe
> that about Bernardo--he is pure evil. What kind of promise does the
> future hold for somebody when the guy is doing life and likely will
> never be free again?
> I know it's true about the nearly groupie-esque status these guys
> attain. I grew up with and was a semi-friend of a guy named Alan
> Bannister. Al was a nice enough guy (albeit a thief) but he got himself
> involved in a murder for hire deal in Missouri, and he was convicted and
> sentenced to death. Anyway, while he was in prison, he started
> corresponding with some girl from Britain, of all places. She was the
> one who initiated the contact I believe, and wound up marrying him. She
> remained one of his staunchest supporters up to his execution, which was
> about 3 or 4 years ago.
> So I know it happens all the time but it doesn't make any sense to
> me. I suppose it'd be good for a girl who's a tease, since you seldom
> have to give it up to a guy who is in prison.
I've noticed this same phenomenon in this ng with the Karla fans.
Confused women love Bernardo, their male counterparts love Karla. It's
very disturbing.
Joe Here
>Bob,
>
>I believe Galligan interviewed a tremendous amount of people involved in the case, not just a few hours with Karla,
>as a matter of fact, I don't think he ever met Karla, as his report was strictly a legal finding on the events of
>the case, not one of determining guilt or innonence.
>
>Having said that, I also believe the Parole Board never interviewed Karla either, as she may have refused to do so
>and accepted (or forced) a "no parole" decision.
>
>One can also have the opinion that the Parole Board decision also was in the light in "saving political asses"
>considering their reasoning of sexual offender when she never was found guilty or even tried for those crimes.
>
I'm curious about this "saving political asses" theory, sounds like
something Murray harp on about. Please explain.
BTW. from my understanding, Karla was sentenced on manslaughter
charges, not sexual ones. She was sentenced BEFORE the tapes surfaced
and were viewed in a different light to what she said happened. She
was not as innocent as she made out in her confession.
Joe Here
Ha,
You should have been on this group about a year ago for some really
disturbing characters. One guy in particular springs to mind, jeez, it
was scary. The other is some distant relative and I guess blood, being
thicker than water, really blurrs the vision.
I guess Eva Braun thought Hitler was pretty cool, but was
"misunderstood" the most of the world. No doubt, she'd sing his
praises today, if she could talk.
sexydebi4818
talk on the phone every week. Paul has changed & Karla got off way to easy, she
is more to blame then he is. Paul is filing another appeal & he will get it
this time & we believe he will get out soon. I love Paul Bernardo & we will be
together when he gets out. I went to see him yesterday, I have been there 3
times since he has been locked up, I can't see him to often because I am from
Michigan. We had our first contact visit yesterday & it felt so good to be able
to touch him after all this time.
DIVATRINIA
>is more to blame then he is.
If she is more to blame, how do you explain him being the Scarbourgho Rapisit.
And many times he was alone.Now I do agree Karla got off WAY to easy, Paul in
my opinion is more to blame than Karla. And honestly, I don't see Paul ever
getting out of prison. I think he may be using you. Nothing personal. This is
just what I think.
connie rahim
> I knew Paul way before any of this happened. I write to him all the time & we
You are doing the right thing to stay in touch with Paul.
I hope he is getting over his mistreatment by the authorities.
JB
capacity, what you have shared, how you view him as a person, etc ....... You
see, to many of us, both Paul and Karla are people we have read about, not known
out of print.
If you feel uncomfortable posting, feel free to email me directly.
JB
sexydebi4818 wrote:
> Nope, Paul is not using me, we were friends way before any of this took place.
> He is guilty of some of the rapes, but not as many as he is being blamed for.
> No, Karla is not guilty of those rapes, but the other shit, there is so much
> more to this story, soon everyone will know about it. I can understand why
> people feel the way they do about Paul, but they just don't know him.
sexydebi4818
there, but all that is being looked into.
sexydebi4818
know Karla, ( I don't like her) I talk all the time with Marilyn. (Paul's
mother) It was a big shock for me when Paul was accused of all of the rapes & I
was stunned when he got arrested of murder. I believe that Karla was into it
way more then she said she was, SHE was very controlling, from what I seen with
my own 2 eyes. Paul is very sweet to me, he has never done anything rude to me
at all. I did mess around with Paul a few times when Karla split & he was not a
monster in bed the way Karla said he was. I have been to see him 3 times since
he has been locked up & I talk to him all the time on the phone.
Lanze
captured by this arrogant monster. You should be locked up too ! Would you
let your sexuality go this far to be labelled a serial killer ? I know it
wasn't just Paul but like most males we do bare the brunt of all shit that
happens , he really is sick and you can not help him . Both of them are
guilty . Are you sexually intrigued by this poor idiot , shame on you ! .
There are fools and then there are fucking fools . I'd like to know more
about your fantasies .If you wouldn't mind sharing your passions further
with the group . Cheers to you sexydebi !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"just my 2
cents .sexydebi4818" <sexyde...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20020729155122...@mb-cc.aol.com...
Dr Sin
sexydebi4818
accusing me of being sick? You are the one asking to hear some of MY
fantasies....you prev, go call a 1-900 number. As for saying I should be locked
up too with Paul because I support him, whatever, you are entitled to your
opinion. You have no idea what is going on with his case now, so don't jump the
gun sweetheart. Shame on you, loser!!!! I will not argue with a peasant on
this message board, if you have anything further to say to me, email me,
otherwise....shut your garbage disposal. Thanks!!! ~Debi~
Lanze
as for the not knowing you, your right and I'm sorry as my words where
perhaps to harsh . I'm appalled with what happen to Kristen and the other
girls. Would you still feel this way towards him if Kristen was your sister
. Sometimes it takes harsh words to make us re; think our values. As for the
perv thing I can't figure out why you would want to become involved with him
unless you have a sexual fetish like his . I'm sorry I do not and will not
except people in our society like this AND yes Karla got off easy but I
don't feel sorry him because he got the worst of it . She will get hers yet
! Believe me . Please take a step back and look at yourself and Think about
the feedback you are getting from others on this post. Maybe your intentions
are good but I can't see the point . Its a no win for you no matter what
happens unless you are a reporter . Hope we can discuss this further as
adults and I do apologise for my emotions getting the best of me . I say get
out now while you can . "sexydebi4818" <sexyde...@aol.com> wrote in
message news:20020803105901...@mb-mb.aol.com...
sexydebi4818
rude to me. Sorry, no sexual fetishes here!!! Nothing you or anybody else can
change my mind about Paul, I am well aware of what HE did as I am well aware of
what KARLA did, you are not!!! Good bye!!!! I will not return any more
messages to you, so don't waste your time, but more importanly DON"T WASTE
MINE!!!!
Lanze
for that is not my intention . There are some that do side with you about
Paul , but don't think that you can come here and tell us about poor Paul
without pissing some people off . There is still many victim's left over
and it is for them I LASH OUT! If you choose to ignore my message's then
that's fine too but it will never change my opinion's . After all it was not
your community that was turned upside down by these sexual predator's . As
far as to what I know about this case is not your business anyway . For I
was involved in some degree and do know more than you think . You should
be aware of the post June 25/02 Re; Compliant Victims of the Sexual Sadist .
This is the real thing baby and you come here with your little story (so you
say) . This goes way beyond your feelings and mine . Try and forget the
sexual fetish thing ,!!!!!! ask Paul about how many times Kristen pleaded
for her life . HELLO !! When I say "he will never be FREE " is because many
people here like myself that will never let him , or her for that matter .
Perhaps we are sick and obsessed with all this too but not to the degree of
karla & paul had gone to. I can not forget the look on Kristen's parents
face or her pretty face before it was butchered by some sexual sadist's .
Some people here like to live in the lime light and gain notoriety over
there posts or involvement with these poor souls , but for me baby , I'll
continue to lurk in communities like this forever just to remind you about
the victim's . It would a shame to see yet another .( Pheasant)* Dreams
Honey !! "sexydebi4818" <sexyde...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20020804105655...@mb-mj.aol.com...
Bob
That is not a very good way to get attention. I doubt very much that you have
ever seen Paul in your life. But unfortunately, it's not uncommon for lonely
females to fantasize about having romantic relationships with mass murderers. But
if your claim is true, do yourself a favour: Keep this a secret, don't share it
with N/G, it will not do Paul any good. But as far as I know.....Because I have
friends who work in the penal system, the only visits Paul gets is from his parents
every week. His Brother and Sister, never visit him. Anyway, I am not calling you
a liar, but think about what I said. Good luck to you.
Bob
sexydebi4818
right about one thing, I will say anything to anybody about Paul anymore, but
honestly I could care less what any of you losers think. You can call me a LIAR
all you want, you don't know me, so shut the fuck up!!!! I am not coming back
to this board to argue with a bunch of pussies. If you have anything to say to
me, email me. See ya!!!!!!!!!
Lanze
fit in for the perfect next victim . What shall we call the book ? paul b
does the not so sexy deb ?. Or maybe a movie ? deb does paul & co. We'll
see who the looser is . I like the way your temper flare's when your faced
with another opinion that doesn't agree with yours . Just like paul's hhhmmm
,, do your nostril's flare up on the sides too !! Bye the bye there Lassie
, I think we have a match !!!!!. BINGO your next . Tell me honestly if you
really can ?????// What did you expect ?news:20020805095304...@mb-cs.aol.com...
Bob
offensive? I assume that SexyDebi4818 will keep her promise and not post any
comments to this news room. It is unfortunate though how far someone will go to
get attention...When she asks for instance: "If you have anything to say to me,
email me. See ya!!!!!!!!!" I choose not to play that game. It is a waist of my
time, and it is not helping her with her issues.
JB
JB
connie rahim wrote:
> x-no-archive: yes
>
> sexyde...@aol.com (sexydebi4818) wrote in message news:<20020805095304...@mb-cs.aol.com>...
> > Um, yes I do know Paul & I have known him for a few years. As far as his sister
> > Debbie not visiting Paul
>
> Paul is horribly misunderstood.
>
> Btw, i don't understand why this group gets so much more traffic than
> alt.fan.paul-bernardo. you can't even post to that group from google,
> and it has almost no traffic.
Bob
I am glad to hear you say that Paul is NOT horribly misunderstood, but I would like to hear you say the same
about Karla. You keep referring to the Galligan Report everytime you say anything "positive" about Karla..and
that is fine except that when the parole board rejected her request for release last year, they referred to her
as a dangerous sexual offender. They even went as far as to say that she was NOT a victim of Paul Bernardo.
They also said that she disregarded anyone's safety for her own sexual gratification. And that assessment came
from psychiatrists and coucellors who have known her for years....Not a retired Judge who spoke to her for a
couple of hours before he made that assessment...And to save the asses of his political buddies.
JB
I believe Galligan interviewed a tremendous amount of people involved in the case, not just a few hours with Karla,
as a matter of fact, I don't think he ever met Karla, as his report was strictly a legal finding on the events of
the case, not one of determining guilt or innonence.
Having said that, I also believe the Parole Board never interviewed Karla either, as she may have refused to do so
and accepted (or forced) a "no parole" decision.
One can also have the opinion that the Parole Board decision also was in the light in "saving political asses"
considering their reasoning of sexual offender when she never was found guilty or even tried for those crimes.
Obvious, Karla was involved is sexual crimes, however shouldn't she have been convicted of those crimes in order
for the Parole Board to use this excuse for her rejection? If so, I believe that while Karla would've been found
guilty of sexual abuse, the defense would've had a field day in establishing that Karla was not root of the crimes
and the Sexual Sadist / sexual "slave" (for lack of a better term) would have reduced her sentence. Maybe even to
the point that she would've been placed into a detention center to take some help.
JB
starlight...@gmail.com
This conversation took when I was 7 years old. I felt something strong was happening in the spirit realm that year but I couldn't understand. I was very young. From the age of 3 until about 7 I felt something dark in the places that my mom and I lived in. There were strange spirits all over Ontario. There was great destruction in the Earth because of what had happened in the late 80's and early 90's. I was born in the aftermath of "Death in Ontario".
Don't listen to those who hate Paul. You have something very powerful inside of you. The spirit of love. You have wings like a dove. I saw the change in him too, in a recent photo. He actually looks like an English actor, and there's a light in his face. He's unrecognizable.
Look at recent photos of that Karla. She looks demonic and hideous, far worse than she did when she was younger. A darkness sourrounds her. She looked evil as a child. She's a very strong manipulator. And I believe that she used witchcraft to seduce Paul and strengthen the evil. He was weakened by the dark side of the force because of his family.
She is the true Scarborough rapist. And I call her the witch of Ontario.
I solved the mystery of Hurricane Katrina a couple days ago, on Paul's 54th birthday. Karla was released on the 4th of July, 2005, a day before the birthday of the one she killed, Leslie Mahaffy. The storm formed a month later on the 23rd of August. It increased to a category 5 right on Paul's birthday. There's so such thing as a coincidence. Part of the reason Lord did that is because she'll always know his birthday. It was the wrath of the Sword of Heaven against her, not only because of the crimes but because of what she did to Paul.
It's no coincidence at all that the first rape in Scarborough took place on her 17th birthday, May 4th, 1970. I never liked that day.
I've been to St. Catharine's once and it felt very dark, like there was a dark mark of death on it. There are some very, very bad places in the far west end of Ontario. Especially the Kitchener Waterloo region. I even met a witch there. She lived in the downtown core.
Katrina was the most catastrophic storm in North America since 1928. Paul was in, and she was out. Think about it. She knew why the hurricane happened. Paul didn't kill those 3 girls. He never killed anybody. He confessed to every crime and she lied. She is going to have a very painful ending. And Paul won't. Because the Lord said.
The photos of them as older adults are evidence against the media. The media loves to lie and exaggerate. They just love the money and the love of money is the root of all evil.
I love Paul Bernardo too and always will. He had a very abusive upbringing. His stepfather sexually abused his sister and her and he was forced to watch it while his mother did nothing. And yet, according to valid sources, including the Smirnis brothers, his childhood friends, and his first love Nadine. She said that he bought her diamond earrings and roses and was very kind and gentle with her and was, if you can believe it.
This is all evidence against the media's lies. What was happening to him was his soul was abuducted by the dark side, and evil forces were controlling him. In high school he was excelling in math and science and he was studying business at the U of The Scarborough campus. You probably already know this.
The enemy hated him from the moment he was born. The neighbours on his street saw the light in his beautiful face when he was a baby. He had striking blue eyes and golden hair like an angel.
I was born in his hometown, in the north end of Scarborough. The was always a pure spirit there.
I wrote a long letter to Paul and I am going to get the address of Millhaven Institution and send it to him. He won't ever be the same. I can already see the change. It's quite remarkable.
I have so much to tell you. You may not see this for a while, but I'm praying to God that He leads you to see this.
intell...@gmail.com
denisewil...@yahoo.ca
I’m not going to try to convince you of anything, but I hope you know what you are doing for your own sake. This man is a sexual sadist. They get pleasure from completely dominating another person - their ultimate pleasure is having control over a person’s life - this is ultimately what a sexual sadist craves. If Paul hadn’t been caught and arrested he would have continued stalking, raping and killing women because he hates all women and blames them for all his troubles. He is projecting his hatred for his mother on to all women. He is mentally unstable. You did not view the videotapes in which he raped and tortured two teenage girls. He also cut one of them up with a saw. I hate to tell you this but he is very very sick and he is very very good at “pretending” to be nice and flattering to you as this is how he gets what he wants. He did the exact same thing to Karla and he pretty much almost killed her with a horrible beating. If she had stayed I’m almost certain he would have killed her.
I know you knew him before all this happened but that doesn’t mean anything. He is very able and socially adept so he can seem pretty normal most of the time.
Just be careful because he is a “dangerous offender” and he will not and cannot change. And he will never get out of prison for what he’s done so I wouldn’t waste your precious time and life on him, no matter what he tells you. He is also highly narcissistic so don’t be fooled. I do believe he is “using” you - it’s what he does best. He doesn’t care about you because he isn’t capable of caring. All he knows is anger and hate and how to manipulate for his own personal gain. I hope this helps you realize what a big mistake you are making to give this creep any more of your time and energy. Surely there are a lot of nice guys living in your area that would be more deserving of your time and efforts?
notorio...@gmail.com
There not a source of good or evil; there is one source in this Universe. That which we call darkness is simply the resistance to source energy. The lack of light. When a human being is disconnected from the light any kind of wickedness is possible.
Paul Bernardo is NOT evil. He is not even who you think he is. Our souls existed long before our flesh did. Some are more significant than others. Some are "targeted" more than others.
Everything in Paul's life was pre-ordained. The sexual abuse of his sister at the hands of her father, the pain and humiliation of finding out his father figure is a pedophile, and his mother's revelation that he was and illegitimate child. That's way too much suffering for any young boy. I'm surprised he didn't do worse
Everyone is aware that his ex witch is out roaming the streets of Montreal. I was there, actually a couple years ago on her 47th birthday (long story)
A lot of women love "bad boys". You'd be surprised, it's a common phenomenon. I don't even feel sorry for his Scarborough victims. Maybe it has to do with being viciously bullied by girls throughout my youth.
And I'm sorry but I will never respect a nation that set a killer free on the 4th of July. Karla was actually right that she was not in control during the trail. They were all under the influence of an outside force.
Think about it, Karla couldn't wait to get out of jail after only 12 years and Paul wants to stay in prison because he knows how bad the crimes were and how many people were hurt. That doesn't sound to me like a truly evil person and to be honest the parents of those victims are worse than he ever was. I've seen pictures of them.
One of Canada's greatest failures was not taking little Paul and his siblings away from that abusive psycho who was actually working as a charted accountant. He and his wife Marilyn, Paul's mother, still live in the same house in south Scarborough. I've been there. What you know is only the tip of an iceberg. Have you ever seen one underwater?
The most evil kind of person is not someone who harms women. It's someone who abuses their own child or permits the abuse of their child by the other parent, or another family member.
The date you posted that on looks familiar. Why May 18th?
notorio...@gmail.com
brianna...@gmail.com
Both karla and paul were involved
I am from this city it took place and it is very unsettling think paul would be free
And its sickening that karla is in ontario
brianna...@gmail.com
Jacques
"Tao" <t...@dont-email.me> wrote:
>
> In article <1fc26153-0498-4236-89c8-
> 293f29...@googlegroups.com>
> in that they are both chronic liars and believe they are
> entitled to violate any law to get what they want.
>
> I see Paul as a calculating serial killer and Karla as another
> victim in the sense of Stockholm Syndrome.
>
> I personally don't have a problem with her release from prison
> and close proximity to children. However, if she should ever be
> engaged in another crime resulting in death, she must be killed
> immediately.
That would be a waste of perfectly good pussy.