Remember the Protestors?
Liberals.HATE.America!',
Every major "anti-war" demonstration to date, including the demonstrations
on the Capitol Mall in October and January has been organized and controlled
by a self-styled Communist group called the Workers World Party, and its
front "International A.N.S.W.E.R." The figurehead of this organization is
former Attorney General Ramsey Clark and its organizer is Brian Becker, a
member of the secretariat of the Worker's World Party. The WWP is aligned
with
the North Korean Communist regime and along with its figurehead has
supported the North Vietnamese torturers of American POWS, the Ayatollah
Khomeni regime in Iran, Slobodan Milosevic and Saddam Hussein.
At the Mall, the speakers - all selected by the Workers World Party -
denounced America as an imperialist aggressor and "the axis of evil," and
called for "regime change" and "revolution" in the United States. An imam
from a Washington DC mosque led the crowd in chants of "Allahu Akbar," which
is the cry of the suicide bombers as they blow up innocent civilian targets.
Mohammed Atta, the leader of the 9/11 suicide bombers, gave these
instructions to his team: "When the confrontation begins, strike like
champions who do not want to go back to this world. Shout, 'Allahu Akbar,'
because this strikes fear in the hearts of the non-believers."
John Conyers, the ranking Democrat on the House Judiciary Committee was a
featured speaker at the Workers World Party "peace" rally, as was former
Democratic Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney. Representative Charles Rangel,
the ranking Democrat on the House Ways and Means Committee sent a letter of
support. In a sister demonstration in San Francisco, also organized by the
Workers World Party, California State Senator, Democrat John Burton, told
the protesters that the President of the United States was "full of s___"
and was "f---ing America."
So appalling were these demonstrations that older members of the left
disassociated themselves from this movement in articles that appeared in
leftwing magazines like Salon.com and the L.A. Weekly (the latter article
was written by David Corn, Washington editor of The Nation).
On February 15, an anti-war protest will be held in New York City, organized
by a new group called "United for Peace and Justice." This group is headed
by Leslie Cagan, a Sixties Marxist with a long history of supporting
Communist causes. She was a member of the Venceremos Brigades organized by
Cuban Intelligence. She was a member of the Committees for Correspondence, a
faction of the Communist Party USA, and she is co-chair of the National
Network on Cuba an organization whose purpose is propaganda and political
support for the Castro dictatorship. Cagan has warned that, "If marches do
not work, we will escalate. We will have to do things to disrupt the normal
flow of life in this country."(NYTimes, 2/04/03) This threat of sabotage
should not be taken lightly given the history of more than 1,000 domestic
bombings during the Vietnam War.
The agendas of the so-called "peace movement" are pro-Communist and
anti-American. Its organizers have worked with America's enemies in the past
and are continuing to do so in the midst of this war. This is the very
definition of a political "fifth column." Honest dissenters and Americans
concerned about the future of their country should take a hard look at these
protests and those who support them.
--
Oh, be still my heart.
I'm falling in love with the guy all over again, while reading Hillary's
book.
Forget about her being the smartest woman in the world. She's the luckiest
woman!
- Bonnie BLUE EYES, bonib...@aol.com, who insists everyone knows she is
White
Liberals.HATE.America!',
"Nokia" <noki...@hotpop.com> wrote in message
news:6pi0gvoj8rf43k5dt...@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 14:23:57 GMT, "Liberals.HATE.America!',"
> <LiberalHa...@yahoo.com.remvths99> wrote:
>
> >
> >Every major "anti-war" demonstration to date, including the
demonstrations
> >on the Capitol Mall in October and January has been organized and
controlled
> >by a self-styled Communist group called the Workers World Party, and its
> >front "International A.N.S.W.E.R." The figurehead of this organization is
>
> would like to suggest Hansel and Gretel, Jack and the Beanstalk,
> Cinderella and Little red riding hood.
So you could not dispute a single thing huh? LOL!
The Frog
<LiberalHa...@yahoo.com.remvths99> wrote:
We remember. We ALL remember.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"The multicultural project will never fully succeed if 'diversity'
is defined as one's own preferred ideologies and political groups."
--Richard E. Redding, "Grappling With Diverse Conceptions of Diversity,"
American Psychologist, April 2002, p. 301.
Randolf Fredricks
<LiberalHa...@yahoo.com.remvths99> wrote:
>
How can you type with your head so far up your ass?
Therion Ware
On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 14:54:32 GMT in alt.atheism,
Liberals.HATE.America!', ("Liberals.HATE.America!',"
<LiberalHa...@yahoo.com.remvths99>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
One doesn't dispute fairly tales. That would be cruel to the children
that believe them.
--
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** atheist poster child #1 **
The Frog
wrote:
>On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 14:54:32 GMT, "Liberals.HATE.America!',"
><LiberalHa...@yahoo.com.remvths99> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Nokia" <noki...@hotpop.com> wrote in message
>>news:6pi0gvoj8rf43k5dt...@4ax.com...
>>> On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 14:23:57 GMT, "Liberals.HATE.America!',"
>>> <LiberalHa...@yahoo.com.remvths99> wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>> >Every major "anti-war" demonstration to date, including the
>>demonstrations
>>> >on the Capitol Mall in October and January has been organized and
>>controlled
>>> >by a self-styled Communist group called the Workers World Party, and its
>>> >front "International A.N.S.W.E.R." The figurehead of this organization is
>>>
>>> That's really interesting. As some further reading into the subject, I
>>> would like to suggest Hansel and Gretel, Jack and the Beanstalk,
>>> Cinderella and Little red riding hood.
>>
>>So you could not dispute a single thing huh? LOL!
>
>LOL! Well, since you're not giving us any sources for your "facts",
>it's pretty hard to check whether you're not lying your ass off, is
>it?
What does "World Worker's Party" sound like to you?
The Frog
wrote:
>On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 10:13:10 -0500, The Frog <jmatt...@ticnet.com>
>wrote:
>
>>What does "World Worker's Party" sound like to you?
>
>erm.....like strong irrefutable evidence?
No, that was a hint for those who can put two and two together.
Here is the "strong irrefutabll evidence" you require......<see below>
============================================
http://www.workers.org/wwp.php
"So our goal is a society run by the workers, not just as pawns in a
capitalist political game but as collective owners of the social
wealth."
"This is not a new idea. Karl Marx put socialist ideology on a
scientific footing a century and a half ago."
DA BEAR
"Randolf Fredricks" <RFre...@pugssuck.org> wrote in message
news:3f005018...@news.earthlink.net...
> How can you type with your head so far up your ass?
He's had a "Glassectomy." That's where they surgically installed a glass
plate in his belly so that he could see out...
The "Glass plate" is the first half of the procedure. The "ectomy" part of
that procedure involves the removal of the head. Very difficult in this
case, since his sphincter muscle has a tight grasp around his neck, cutting
off oxygen to the brain, resulting in these pathetic Super Patriot
statements, and preventing his head from being freed from his stomach.
There is a good side to this -- he can see the fact that he's full of shit,
and since he's SO full of it, he knows that he's the only one digesting it.
<G>
Outlander
DA BEAR
"Outlander" <outl...@elvis.com> wrote in message
news:d5ad5912.03063...@posting.google.com...
> I think he's trying to communicate! Isn't that cute.
Hi Ralph Snart, of rec.autos.makers.ford.mustang , where people actually
like you! I wonder how long that's going to last when we start forwarding
your messages there, telling folks "Thanks but not thanks -- keep your
troll."
So now you're the Outlander? I think you're living in a world of
Science-fiction, especially with your posts as Liberals Hate America. But
that's okay...the clock continues to tick as the evidence and information
about you and your buddy "The White Tornado -- with whom you have claimed to
have joined forces -- continue to mount.
See ya, Tom.
P.S. "elvis.com?" I appreciate you mentioning your Michael Jackson
posts -- was able to trace your love of Elvis and disregard for Lisa Marie.
Not hard making a connection between you and "Outlandish!" HA!
Bye Troll! LOL!!!
oN...@cts.com
All the left have to offer is scorn and defamation.
--
From: "harmony" <a...@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Indian woman dies on husband's pyre
Message-ID: <ulrbpeo...@corp.supernews.com>
>I am proud to be a member of mommedan parliament.
oN...@cts.com
Anti-War Demos Give Marxists a New Lease of Life
By Philip Johnston
London Telegraph
March 24, 2003
Marginalised and ignored, the 14 years since the fall of the Berlin
Wall have been a wretched time for the hard-Left in Britain. After
reaching its high water mark with the miners' strike and the attempted
Militant infiltration of Labour in the 1980s, the success of Tony
Blair rendered the Left a harmless relic of a bygone age. So
harmless, in fact, that MI5 wound up its counter-subversion section
that for 40 years had kept tabs on an array of Communists, Trotskyites
and Maoists.
But the Marxist Left has been given a new lease of life by opposition
to the conflict in Iraq. The Stop the War coalition, which is behind
the wave of anti-war protests - including today's London march - is a
predominantly hard-Left organisation chaired by a leading member of
the Communist Party of Britain. It also comprises senior figures from
the Socialist Alliance, a Marxist umbrella organisation that includes
groups such as the Socialist Workers Party and the Alliance for
Workers Liberty.
Suddenly, the Left is fronting a campaign that ostensibly has support
across the political spectrum, unlike the minority issues with which
it is normally associated. The coalition's leaders maintain it is a
broadly-based political movement but it was the logos of the Left that
were prominent on the banners that accompanied the march in London
last month, in which an estimated one million people participated. The
Left also dominates its steering committee.
The chairman of the coalition is Andrew Murray, who is described as a
communications officer for the rail drivers' union, Aslef. Murray is
also a member of the political committee of the Communist Party of
Britain - http://www.communist-party.org.uk/ not to be confused with
the Communist Party of Great Britain from which it split in one of the
many schisms that has characterised Left politics down the years.
Murray's organisation is the rump of the old Communist Party and is
linked to the Morning Star newspaper for which he writes. In a report
to the CPB's executive committee on March 15, he said the diplomatic
clash over Iraq "shows the deep fractures in the bourgeoisie over
British imperialism's specific role in world politics."
Murray is also aware of the anti-war movement's potential for boosting
the Left. "It has the greatest political potential of any I have
encountered . . . It is rooted on the Left [but] it reaches out into
the Liberal Democrats in a serious way and even into the ranks of the
Conservatives." He told the executive: "We need now to entrench the
party in the mass anti-war movement at every level." Although the CPB
is not affiliated to the Socialist Alliance - which is a Trotskyite
organisation - they have joined forces on the Stop the War coalition.
http://www.stopwar.org.uk/
Several leading supporters of the Socialist Alliance are on the
steering committee. They include Tariq Ali, the veteran Left
campaigner and writer; Mike Marqusee, a former editor of Labour Left
Briefing; Louise Christian, a prominent civil rights lawyer; Suresh
Grover, of the National Civil Rights Movement; Roger Bannister, of the
public sector union Unison; and John Rees, of the Socialist Workers'
Party.
The aims of the alliance are to create "a popular socialist republic,
based on democratic common ownership and democratic control of the key
sectors of the economy."
But even an umbrella group is not immune from factionalism. The
far-Left Socialist Party - the former Militant Tendency - withdrew
from the alliance last year in protest at the dominance of the
Socialist Workers' Party. The Left retains a predilection for
division that was brilliantly parodied in Monty Python's Life of Brian
with the Judean People's Front and their deadly enemies, the People's
Front of Judea, who hated each other more than they disliked the
Romans. However, they are all together again to oppose the war and
remain united by a commitment to Marxist thought and practice, a
contempt for the Blair government and a belief in world revolution.
[ed: polls of British voters show both Conservatives and Labourites
supporting Blair on the war; opposition comes from the far left and
from the Liberal Democrats, who have been out of power since 1922.
http://www.libdems.org.uk/]
--
oN...@cts.com
All the left have to offer is scorn and defamation.
Anti-War Demos Give Marxists a New Lease of Life
By Philip Johnston
London Telegraph
March 24, 2003
oN...@cts.com
All the left have to offer is scorn and defamation.
Anti-War Demos Give Marxists a New Lease of Life
By Philip Johnston
London Telegraph
March 24, 2003
Marginalised and ignored, the 14 years since the fall of the Berlin
Wall have been a wretched time for the hard-Left in Britain. After
reaching its high water mark with the miners' strike and the attempted
Militant infiltration of Labour in the 1980s, the success of Tony
Blair rendered the Left a harmless relic of a bygone age. So
harmless, in fact, that MI5 wound up its counter-subversion section
that for 40 years had kept tabs on an array of Communists, Trotskyites
and Maoists.
oN...@cts.com
> I think he's trying to communicate! Isn't that cute.
All the left have to offer is scorn and defamation.
Anti-War Demos Give Marxists a New Lease of Life
By Philip Johnston
London Telegraph
March 24, 2003
Marginalised and ignored, the 14 years since the fall of the Berlin
Wall have been a wretched time for the hard-Left in Britain. After
reaching its high water mark with the miners' strike and the attempted
Militant infiltration of Labour in the 1980s, the success of Tony
Blair rendered the Left a harmless relic of a bygone age. So
harmless, in fact, that MI5 wound up its counter-subversion section
that for 40 years had kept tabs on an array of Communists, Trotskyites
and Maoists.
But the Marxist Left has been given a new lease of life by opposition
to the conflict in Iraq. The Stop the War coalition, which is behind
the wave of anti-war protests - including today's London march - is a
predominantly hard-Left organisation chaired by a leading member of
the Communist Party of Britain. It also comprises senior figures from
the Socialist Alliance, a Marxist umbrella organisation that includes
groups such as the Socialist Workers Party and the Alliance for
Workers Liberty.
--
Therion Ware
On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 17:32:26 GMT in alt.atheism, oN...@cts.com
(oN...@cts.com) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
>
>Anti-War Demos Give Marxists a New Lease of Life
>
>By Philip Johnston
>
>London Telegraph
>
>March 24, 2003
The original claim was that "***EVERY*** major "anti-war"
demonstration to date, including the demonstrations on the Capitol
Mall in October and January has been organized and controlled by a
self-styled Communist group called the Workers World Party".
Perhaps you could point out where the Torygraph article substantiates
this claim.
oN...@cts.com
> On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 17:32:26 GMT in alt.atheism, oN...@cts.com
> (oN...@cts.com) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
>>
>>Anti-War Demos Give Marxists a New Lease of Life
>>
>>By Philip Johnston
>>
>>London Telegraph
>>
>>March 24, 2003
> The original claim was that "***EVERY*** major "anti-war"
> demonstration to date, including the demonstrations on the Capitol
> Mall in October and January has been organized and controlled by a
> self-styled Communist group called the Workers World Party".
> Perhaps you could point out where the Torygraph article substantiates
> this claim.
Well, it doesn't mention Capitol Mall, but it does make it pretty clear
what's behind the 'Peace Movement' in the UK. However, there do seem to
be other sources that substantiate whatsit's claim about the Capitol Mall
demo.
Example 1. _________________________________________________________
http://www.spectrezine.org/war/McReynolds2.htm
"The primary organizer, ANSWER, is pretty much run by a small group of
Marxist/Leninists who belong to the tiny Workers World Party."
Example 2. _________________________________________________________
http://www.hometown-usa.us/harticle.html
"Every major "anti-war" demonstration to date, including the
demonstrations on the Capitol Mall in October and January has been
organized and controlled by a self-styled Communist group called the
Workers World Party, and its front "International A.N.S.W.E.R."
Example 3. _________________________________________________________
"The demonstration was organized by International ANSWER (Act Now to Stop
War and End Racism)."
Etc.
Are there any other demonstrations you have questions about or would
you like to get on with the ad hominem and scorn. I seem to recall
sneering is your particular forte, Therion.
--
oN...@cts.com
Therion Ware complains that the "Torygraph" article doesn't cover
the Washington demo.
>>>> On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 14:23:57 GMT, "Liberals.HATE.America!',"
>>>> <LiberalHa...@yahoo.com.remvths99> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> >Every major "anti-war" demonstration to date, including the
>>>> >demonstrations
>>>> >on the Capitol Mall in October and January has been organized and
>>>> >controlled
>>>> >by a self-styled Communist group called the Workers World Party,
>>>> >and
>>>> >its
>>>> >front "International A.N.S.W.E.R." The figurehead of this
>>>> >organization is
>>>>
Example 1. _________________________________________________________
http://www.spectrezine.org/war/McReynolds2.htm
"The primary organizer, ANSWER, is pretty much run by a small group of
Marxist/Leninists who belong to the tiny Workers World Party."
Example 2. _________________________________________________________
http://www.hometown-usa.us/harticle.html
"Every major "anti-war" demonstration to date, including the
demonstrations on the Capitol Mall in October and January has been
organized and controlled by a self-styled Communist group called the
Workers World Party, and its front "International A.N.S.W.E.R."
Example 3. _________________________________________________________
"The demonstration was organized by International ANSWER (Act Now to Stop
War and End Racism)."
Therion Ware
On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 18:32:37 GMT in alt.atheism, oN...@cts.com
(oN...@cts.com) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
>
>Therion Ware complains that the "Torygraph" article doesn't cover
>the Washington demo.
Actually I asked a question. But then some are inclined to find any
questions a form of complaint, aren't they?
oN...@cts.com
> In soc.culture.british Randolf Fredricks <RFre...@pugssuck.org> wrote:
>> On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 14:23:57 GMT, "Liberals.HATE.America!',"
>> <LiberalHa...@yahoo.com.remvths99> wrote:
>>>
>> How can you type with your head so far up your ass?
> All the left have to offer is scorn and defamation.
> Anti-War Demos Give Marxists a New Lease of Life
> By Philip Johnston
> London Telegraph
> March 24, 2003
Here's some additional info about the Capitol Mall demo which
has apparently surfaced as an example of a major demo which
wasn't organised by the World Worker's Party. However, this
doesn't seem to be the case...
Example 1. _________________________________________________________
http://www.spectrezine.org/war/McReynolds2.htm
"The primary organizer, ANSWER, is pretty much run by a small group of
Marxist/Leninists who belong to the tiny Workers World Party."
Example 2. _________________________________________________________
http://www.hometown-usa.us/harticle.html
"Every major "anti-war" demonstration to date, including the
demonstrations on the Capitol Mall in October and January has been
organized and controlled by a self-styled Communist group called the
Workers World Party, and its front "International A.N.S.W.E.R."
Example 3. _________________________________________________________
"The demonstration was organized by International ANSWER (Act Now to Stop
War and End Racism)."
--
oN...@cts.com
All the left have to offer is scorn and defamation.
Here's some additional info about the Capitol Mall demo which
has apparently surfaced as an example of a major demo which
wasn't organised by the World Worker's Party. However, this
doesn't seem to be the case...
Example 1. _________________________________________________________
http://www.spectrezine.org/war/McReynolds2.htm
"The primary organizer, ANSWER, is pretty much run by a small group of
Marxist/Leninists who belong to the tiny Workers World Party."
Example 2. _________________________________________________________
http://www.hometown-usa.us/harticle.html
"Every major "anti-war" demonstration to date, including the
demonstrations on the Capitol Mall in October and January has been
organized and controlled by a self-styled Communist group called the
Workers World Party, and its front "International A.N.S.W.E.R."
Example 3. _________________________________________________________
"The demonstration was organized by International ANSWER (Act Now to Stop
War and End Racism)."
Anti-War Demos Give Marxists a New Lease of Life
By Philip Johnston
London Telegraph
March 24, 2003
Marginalised and ignored, the 14 years since the fall of the Berlin
Wall have been a wretched time for the hard-Left in Britain. After
reaching its high water mark with the miners' strike and the attempted
Militant infiltration of Labour in the 1980s, the success of Tony
Blair rendered the Left a harmless relic of a bygone age. So
harmless, in fact, that MI5 wound up its counter-subversion section
that for 40 years had kept tabs on an array of Communists, Trotskyites
and Maoists.
oN...@cts.com
> On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 18:32:37 GMT in alt.atheism, oN...@cts.com
> (oN...@cts.com) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
>>
>>Therion Ware complains that the "Torygraph" article doesn't cover
>>the Washington demo.
> Actually I asked a question.
A question which underlined the limitations of my answer. I hope to
address the limitations with my additional information (Example 1,
Example 2, Example 3) below.
> But then some are inclined to find any
> questions a form of complaint, aren't they?
Yes. It's just that we quarrelled at length some time ago about an
apostrophe, therefore my principal emotion on seeing your incursion
into s.c.b. is one of fear.
Now, do you continue to dispute that the Capitol demo was organised
by a subgroup of the Workers World Party? If not, may we pass on to
the next major demo you contend wasn't organised by the WWP? Surely
they weren't all organised by the WWP. The list of organisations
who did organise them will be illuminating, I think.
--
oN...@cts.com
> On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 17:02:52 +0200, Nokia <noki...@hotpop.com>
> wrote:
>>On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 14:54:32 GMT, "Liberals.HATE.America!',"
>><LiberalHa...@yahoo.com.remvths99> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"Nokia" <noki...@hotpop.com> wrote in message
>>>news:6pi0gvoj8rf43k5dt...@4ax.com...
>>>> On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 14:23:57 GMT, "Liberals.HATE.America!',"
>>>> <LiberalHa...@yahoo.com.remvths99> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> >Every major "anti-war" demonstration to date, including the
>>>demonstrations
>>>> >on the Capitol Mall in October and January has been organized and
>>>controlled
>>>> >by a self-styled Communist group called the Workers World Party, and its
>>>> >front "International A.N.S.W.E.R." The figurehead of this organization is
>>>>
>>>> That's really interesting. As some further reading into the subject, I
>>>> would like to suggest Hansel and Gretel, Jack and the Beanstalk,
>>>> Cinderella and Little red riding hood.
>>>
>>>So you could not dispute a single thing huh? LOL!
>>
>>LOL! Well, since you're not giving us any sources for your "facts",
>>it's pretty hard to check whether you're not lying your ass off, is
>>it?
> What does "World Worker's Party" sound like to you?
Hi Frog,
I think I can address the specific concerns relating to the Capitol
Mall demos with these links.
Example 1. _________________________________________________________
http://www.spectrezine.org/war/McReynolds2.htm
"The primary organizer, ANSWER, is pretty much run by a small group of
Marxist/Leninists who belong to the tiny Workers World Party."
Example 2. _________________________________________________________
http://www.hometown-usa.us/harticle.html
"Every major "anti-war" demonstration to date, including the
demonstrations on the Capitol Mall in October and January has been
organized and controlled by a self-styled Communist group called the
Workers World Party, and its front "International A.N.S.W.E.R."
Example 3. _________________________________________________________
"The demonstration was organized by International ANSWER (Act Now to Stop
War and End Racism)."
What other major demos do people feel rebut the assertion that
>>>> >Every major "anti-war" demonstration to date, including the
>>>> >demonstrations
>>>> >on the Capitol Mall in October and January has been organized and
>>>> >controlled
>>>> >by a self-styled Communist group called the Workers World Party, and
>>>> >its
>>>> >front "International A.N.S.W.E.R."
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> "The multicultural project will never fully succeed if 'diversity'
> is defined as one's own preferred ideologies and political groups."
> --Richard E. Redding, "Grappling With Diverse Conceptions of Diversity,"
> American Psychologist, April 2002, p. 301.
--
Gordon Davie
> "Randolf Fredricks" <RFre...@pugssuck.org> wrote in message
> news:3f005018...@news.earthlink.net...
>> How can you type with your head so far up your ass?
>
> He's had a "Glassectomy." That's where they surgically installed a
> glass plate in his belly so that he could see out...
Known in medical circles as "A Womb with a View"
--
Gordon Davie
Edinburgh, Scotland
"Slipped the surly bonds of Earth...to touch the face of God"
The Frog
wrote:
>On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 10:45:17 -0500, The Frog <jmatt...@ticnet.com>
>Do I have to remind of what the original post was about?
>
>"Every major "anti-war" demonstration to date, including the
>demonstrations on the Capitol Mall in October and January has been
>organized and controlled by a self-styled Communist group called the
>Workers World Party, and its front "International A.N.S.W.E.R."
>
>I didn't find anything even remotely pointing in that direction on
>that site. The fact that "the workers party" exists does not mean
>they're behind "every major anti-war demonstration to date".
Can you name one that was not? I can't...
DA BEAR
"Gordon Davie" <g.d...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:bdq4us$ofm$7...@titan.btinternet.com...
> DA BEAR wrote:
> > "Randolf Fredricks" <RFre...@pugssuck.org> wrote in message
> > news:3f005018...@news.earthlink.net...
> >> How can you type with your head so far up your ass?
> >
> > He's had a "Glassectomy." That's where they surgically installed a
> > glass plate in his belly so that he could see out...
>
> Known in medical circles as "A Womb with a View"
ROTFLMAO!!! THAT is funny!
oN...@cts.com
> On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 18:44:59 GMT, oN...@cts.com wrote:
>>Here's some additional info about the Capitol Mall demo which
>>has apparently surfaced as an example of a major demo which
>>wasn't organised by the World Worker's Party. However, this
>>doesn't seem to be the case...
> Yeah, hometownuse.com....that really counts as objective journalism.
What about CNN? Is that too a tainted source?
Example 4. ______________________________________________________________
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/01/18/sproject.irq.us.protests/
"The rally is one of dozens organized in 25 countries by the group Act Now
to Stop War and End Racism (ANSWER). The group said it had organized
transportation from more than 200 cities in 45 states for the rallies in
Washington and San Francisco. Organizers estimated the crowd at about
200,000. Washington park police would not offer an estimate."
"ANSWER is planning a week of anti-war demonstrations beginning February
13. The group is calling for actions supporting protests in Europe on
February 15, and for protests -- including walk-outs by U.S. college and
high school students -- February 21 to coincide with the anniversary of
the assassination of Malcolm X."
I suspect that there is nothing I could post that would convince you.
Hope you don't mind if I restore my references, which you inadevertently
deleted in your indefatiguable search for truth.
Example 1. _________________________________________________________
http://www.spectrezine.org/war/McReynolds2.htm
"The primary organizer, ANSWER, is pretty much run by a small group of
Marxist/Leninists who belong to the tiny Workers World Party."
Example 2. _________________________________________________________
http://www.hometown-usa.us/harticle.html
"Every major "anti-war" demonstration to date, including the
demonstrations on the Capitol Mall in October and January has been
organized and controlled by a self-styled Communist group called the
Workers World Party, and its front "International A.N.S.W.E.R."
Example 3. _________________________________________________________
"The demonstration was organized by International ANSWER (Act Now to Stop
War and End Racism)."
> They do NOT have their own agenda on this
> one....noooooooooooooooooooo......
Attacking the source like that is called an 'ad hominem' attack
and constitutes a logical fallacy. Although it makes clear your
contempt for hometown-usa it doesn't comment on the accuracy of the
content they report.
> I'm sure FundamentalChristians.com has pretty unbiased news on
> abortion too huh.
Wow, you duffed up that strawman so well I just donated $25 at www.cc.org
to the 'Christian Coalition of America'.
oN...@cts.com
> On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 18:44:59 GMT, oN...@cts.com wrote:
>>Here's some additional info about the Capitol Mall demo which
>>has apparently surfaced as an example of a major demo which
>>wasn't organised by the World Worker's Party. However, this
>>doesn't seem to be the case...
> Yeah, hometownuse.com....that really counts as objective journalism.
What about CNN? Is that too a tainted source?
Example 4. ______________________________________________________________
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/01/18/sproject.irq.us.protests/
"The rally is one of dozens organized in 25 countries by the group Act Now
to Stop War and End Racism (ANSWER). The group said it had organized
transportation from more than 200 cities in 45 states for the rallies in
Washington and San Francisco. Organizers estimated the crowd at about
200,000. Washington park police would not offer an estimate."
"ANSWER is planning a week of anti-war demonstrations beginning February
13. The group is calling for actions supporting protests in Europe on
February 15, and for protests -- including walk-outs by U.S. college and
high school students -- February 21 to coincide with the anniversary of
the assassination of Malcolm X."
I suspect that there is nothing I could post that would convince you.
Hope you don't mind if I restore my references, which you inadevertently
deleted in your indefatiguable search for truth.
Example 1. _________________________________________________________
http://www.spectrezine.org/war/McReynolds2.htm
"The primary organizer, ANSWER, is pretty much run by a small group of
Marxist/Leninists who belong to the tiny Workers World Party."
Example 2. _________________________________________________________
http://www.hometown-usa.us/harticle.html
"Every major "anti-war" demonstration to date, including the
demonstrations on the Capitol Mall in October and January has been
organized and controlled by a self-styled Communist group called the
Workers World Party, and its front "International A.N.S.W.E.R."
Example 3. _________________________________________________________
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/jan2003/demo-j20.shtml
"The demonstration was organized by International ANSWER (Act Now to Stop
War and End Racism)."
> They do NOT have their own agenda on this
> one....noooooooooooooooooooo......
Attacking the source like that is called an 'ad hominem' attack
and constitutes a logical fallacy. Although it makes clear your
contempt for hometown-usa it doesn't comment on the accuracy of the
content they report.
> I'm sure FundamentalChristians.com has pretty unbiased news on
> abortion too huh.
Wow, you duffed up that strawman so well I just donated $25 at www.cc.org
to the 'Christian Coalition of America'.
oN...@cts.com
>>Hope you don't mind if I restore my references, which you inadvertently
>>deleted in your indefatiguable search for truth.
> You'll find that the FAQ says that you should only keep the text
> you're replying to.
I was hoping you'd note that I also took a quote from the WSWS, but
I forgot to include the URL. Therefore I thought your comment was
unfair.
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/jan2003/demo-j20.shtml
"The demonstration was organized by International ANSWER (Act Now to Stop
War and End Racism)."
Thus hometown-usa and wsws are both saying basically the same thing,
i.e., the Capitol Mall demo was organised by ANSWER. ANSWER is a
subgroup of the WWP.
> But you knew that, didn't you.
Other netters have objected that premature deletion of comment
is tantamount to censorship. Premature meaning 'before its
been discussed' I suppose. On balance, I prefer the verbose
way of doing things.
So, with the CNN comment in mind, it does seem as if most of the
anti-war protests were organised by ANSWER, a subgroup of WWP, and
therefore I feel able to ask you to post a list of major anti-
war protests that weren't organised by ANSWER in order to rebut
the assertion made by 'LiberalsHateAmerica'.
http://edition.cnn.com/2003/US/01/18/sproject.irq.us.protests/
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> Every major "anti-war" demonstration to date, including the demonstrations
> on the Capitol Mall in October and January has been organized and controlled
> by a self-styled Communist group called the Workers World Party, and its
> front "International A.N.S.W.E.R." The figurehead of this organization is
> former Attorney General Ramsey Clark and its organizer is Brian Becker, a
> member of the secretariat of the Worker's World Party
That's funny. 10% of Adelaide's population protested. That's 100,000
people including your's truly. I was never contacted by the Worker's
World Party or Ramsey Clark.
You don't know an Automort do you?
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> Liberals.HATE.America!',<LiberalHa...@yahoo.com.remvths99> sent
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>> Every major "anti-war" demonstration to date, including the demonstrations
>> on the Capitol Mall in October and January has been organized and controlled
>> by a self-styled Communist group called the Workers World Party, and its
>> front "International A.N.S.W.E.R." The figurehead of this organization is
>> former Attorney General Ramsey Clark and its organizer is Brian Becker, a
>> member of the secretariat of the Worker's World Party
> That's funny. 10% of Adelaide's population protested. That's 100,000
> people including your's truly. I was never contacted by the Worker's
> World Party or Ramsey Clark.
> You don't know an Automort do you?
Is this the one you mean?
http://www.takver.com/history/melb/peace91101.htm
"Sunday 4 November: ANSWER Stop War Rally. (Act Now Stop War End Racism)
About 800 people rallied for peace and to stop the war, in the Melbourne
city Square today. Several hundred had rallied with the Refugee Action
Collective at Southbank against the treatment of refugees and had marched
to join the anti-war rally, where they were addressed by several speakers.
The rally then marched on Liberal Party Headquaters, then to the lawns of
the State Library for music and entertainment. Similar demonstrations
occurred in Perth, Sydney, Adelaide and Brisbane."
Meteorite Debris
oN...@cts.com<oN...@cts.com> sent a radio signal across the vast
I never went to that one. I referred to the global protests in the 2nd
weekend of Feb.
oN...@cts.com
Is tbis it? http://www.nowar-sa.net/feb16.htm Are you in the picture?
I've done a little more research and you do have your own peace group
called NOWAR in Adelaide. I think this was the group behind your demo,
not ANSWER. NOWAR-SA is an umbrella for these organisations:
Australian Democrats
Young Australian Democrats
Australian Greens
Australian Peace Network
QUAKERS
Resistance movement
Socialist Alliance
Women in Black
Medical Association for the Prevention of War
Uniting Church of Australia
Anglican Church
Refugee Action Collective
This means you have named one major anti-war protest which was not
organised by International ANSWER.
Steve Knight
<LiberalHa...@yahoo.com.remvths99> wrote:
>
>Every major "anti-war" demonstration to date, including the demonstrations
>on the Capitol Mall in October and January has been organized and controlled
>by a self-styled Communist group called the Workers World Party, and its
>front "International A.N.S.W.E.R." The figurehead of this organization is
>former Attorney General Ramsey Clark and its organizer is Brian Becker, a
>member of the secretariat of the Worker's World Party. The WWP is aligned
>with
>the North Korean Communist regime and along with its figurehead has
>supported the North Vietnamese torturers of American POWS, the Ayatollah
>Khomeni regime in Iran, Slobodan Milosevic and Saddam Hussein.
It's time to replace the tin in your hat. May I suggest a freezer
type or perhaps something you cook a turkey in.
Oh, and a little dab of thirty weight for your hat propeller.
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
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There was a troll called Steve
the facts he refused to believe
While throwing a tantrum
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and the result will make you heave.
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> BAAWA
> www.sonic.net/~wooly
Mark K. Bilbo
>
> Every major "anti-war" demonstration to date, including the demonstrations
> on the Capitol Mall in October and January has been organized and controlled
> by a self-styled Communist group called the Workers World Party, and its
> front "International A.N.S.W.E.R." The figurehead of this organization is
> former Attorney General Ramsey Clark and its organizer is Brian Becker, a
> member of the secretariat of the Worker's World Party. The WWP is aligned
> with
> the North Korean Communist regime and along with its figurehead has
> supported the North Vietnamese torturers of American POWS, the Ayatollah
> Khomeni regime in Iran, Slobodan Milosevic and Saddam Hussein.
OMG, I thought all the commie freaks died out!
Somebody get a net! They're an endangered species!
--
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________________________________________________________________
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Mark K. Bilbo
>
> "Nokia" <noki...@hotpop.com> wrote in message
> news:6pi0gvoj8rf43k5dt...@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 14:23:57 GMT, "Liberals.HATE.America!',"
>> <LiberalHa...@yahoo.com.remvths99> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >Every major "anti-war" demonstration to date, including the
> demonstrations
>> >on the Capitol Mall in October and January has been organized and
> controlled
>> >by a self-styled Communist group called the Workers World Party, and its
>> >front "International A.N.S.W.E.R." The figurehead of this organization is
>>
>> That's really interesting. As some further reading into the subject, I
>> would like to suggest Hansel and Gretel, Jack and the Beanstalk,
>> Cinderella and Little red riding hood.
>
> So you could not dispute a single thing huh? LOL!
Oh yeah, that's the way to debate. Spew then insist nobody could "dispute"
anything.
Sheesh.
Oh, by the way...
PLONK.
Martin Thomas
alt.atheism
alt.fan.julia-roberts
I removed this from the headers as it must be off-topic there.
alt.politics.bush
soc.culture.british
soc.culture.jewish
soc.history.what-if
This entertaining news group discusses imaginary worlds dreameed
up by people. Perhaps you included it because you don't really
want anyone to take you seriously? Your post might be on-topic
there but I removed it from the headers as I know that they are
fed up of loony nazis.
>Every major "anti-war" demonstration to date, including the demonstrations
>on the Capitol Mall in October and January has been organized and controlled
>by a self-styled Communist group called the Workers World Party, and its
>front "International A.N.S.W.E.R." The figurehead of this organization is
>former Attorney General Ramsey Clark and its organizer is Brian Becker, a
>member of the secretariat of the Worker's World Party. The WWP is aligned
>with
3 possible explanations:
(1) There is an organization called the 'Workers World Party'
with branches all over the world.
(2) The 'Workers World Party' only exists in your country, but
you have been taken in by their calling themselves a 'World
Party', which is just a clever piece of propaganda.
(3) You are one of those idiots who think and write as though the
whole world consists of just your country.
>the North Korean Communist regime and along with its figurehead has
>supported the North Vietnamese torturers of American POWS, the Ayatollah
>Khomeni regime in Iran, Slobodan Milosevic and Saddam Hussein.
Has he really supported those people - or has he just criticized
US policy?
[BIG SNIP]
-
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mart...@netscape.NO.HAWKERS.net
Mark K. Bilbo
> On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 10:45:17 -0500, The Frog <jmatt...@ticnet.com>
> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 17:22:39 +0200, Nokia <noki...@hotpop.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 10:13:10 -0500, The Frog <jmatt...@ticnet.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>What does "World Worker's Party" sound like to you?
>>>
>>>erm.....like strong irrefutable evidence?
>>
>>No, that was a hint for those who can put two and two together.
>>Here is the "strong irrefutabll evidence" you require......<see below>
>>============================================
>>
>>http://www.workers.org/wwp.php
>>"So our goal is a society run by the workers, not just as pawns in a
>>capitalist political game but as collective owners of the social
>>wealth."
>>
>>"This is not a new idea. Karl Marx put socialist ideology on a
>>scientific footing a century and a half ago."
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>"The multicultural project will never fully succeed if 'diversity'
>>is defined as one's own preferred ideologies and political groups."
>>
>> --Richard E. Redding, "Grappling With Diverse Conceptions of Diversity,"
>>American Psychologist, April 2002, p. 301.
>
>
> Do I have to remind of what the original post was about?
>
> "Every major "anti-war" demonstration to date, including the
> demonstrations on the Capitol Mall in October and January has been
> organized and controlled by a self-styled Communist group called the
> Workers World Party, and its front "International A.N.S.W.E.R."
>
> I didn't find anything even remotely pointing in that direction on
> that site. The fact that "the workers party" exists does not mean
> they're behind "every major anti-war demonstration to date".
I like that the conspiracy freaks are crawling out of the woodwork so much
now that it's been shown THE PROTESTERS WERE RIGHT.
No WMDs. Bush lied. Tony lied. Iraq was not a threat to anybody. We
weren't welcomed. We're not wanted. Hussein was neither captured nor
killed. The Shia are imposing an Islamic state in big parts of the
country. And we've let things like the electricity and healthcare flounder
while working to get the oil pumping.
In the mean time, we burned through almost a 100 billion and are looking
at an occupation that could span this decade easily.
I'm not sure there's any reason to care whether the protesters were the
Liberation Front for Chihuahuas or little furry creatures from
Alpha-Centari...
Mark K. Bilbo
> Anti-War Demos Give Marxists a New Lease of Life
Well, that's what happens when you let morons like Bush have their way.
They make Marxists look good...
Mark K. Bilbo
> Well, it doesn't mention Capitol Mall, but it does make it pretty clear
> what's behind the 'Peace Movement' in the UK.
What was behind Tony lying his ass off?
The Frog
<iskan...@hoo.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 14:23:57 +0000, Liberals.HATE.America!', wrote:
>
>>
>> Every major "anti-war" demonstration to date, including the demonstrations
>> on the Capitol Mall in October and January has been organized and controlled
>> by a self-styled Communist group called the Workers World Party, and its
>> front "International A.N.S.W.E.R." The figurehead of this organization is
>> former Attorney General Ramsey Clark and its organizer is Brian Becker, a
>> member of the secretariat of the Worker's World Party. The WWP is aligned
>> with
>> the North Korean Communist regime and along with its figurehead has
>> supported the North Vietnamese torturers of American POWS, the Ayatollah
>> Khomeni regime in Iran, Slobodan Milosevic and Saddam Hussein.
>
>OMG, I thought all the commie freaks died out!
>
>Somebody get a net! They're an endangered species!
Mark, they now call themselves by different names....Leftists,
progressives, enlightened.......new names, same stink....
Your friend,
The Frog
Mark K. Bilbo
> Subject: Re: Remember the Protestors?
> From: The Frog <jmatt...@ticnet.com>
> Reply-To: jm...@ticnet.com
>
> On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 21:05:06 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
> <iskan...@hoo.com> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 14:23:57 +0000, Liberals.HATE.America!', wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Every major "anti-war" demonstration to date, including the demonstrations
>>> on the Capitol Mall in October and January has been organized and controlled
>>> by a self-styled Communist group called the Workers World Party, and its
>>> front "International A.N.S.W.E.R." The figurehead of this organization is
>>> former Attorney General Ramsey Clark and its organizer is Brian Becker, a
>>> member of the secretariat of the Worker's World Party. The WWP is aligned
>>> with
>>> the North Korean Communist regime and along with its figurehead has
>>> supported the North Vietnamese torturers of American POWS, the Ayatollah
>>> Khomeni regime in Iran, Slobodan Milosevic and Saddam Hussein.
>>
>>OMG, I thought all the commie freaks died out!
>>
>>Somebody get a net! They're an endangered species!
>
> Mark, they now call themselves by different names....Leftists,
> progressives, enlightened.......new names, same stink....
I think you utterly missed my joke...
Al Klein
>So you could not dispute a single thing huh? LOL!
You have yet to post anything anyone would care to waste time
disputing, child.
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shall be indifferent as to what your neighbor's religion is." Not merely tolerant of it,
but indifferent to it. Divinity is claimed for many religions; but no religion is great
enough or divine enough to add that new law to its code."
- Mark Twain, a Biography
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Al Klein
>http://www.workers.org/wwp.php
>"So our goal is a society run by the workers, not just as pawns in a
>capitalist political game but as collective owners of the social
>wealth."
And your problem with that concept is?
(BTW, I'm a capitalist, but I'm not within galaxies of being nearly as
greedy as Bush, et al.)
--
"A stupid man's report of what a clever man says is never accurate because he
unconsciously translates what he hears into something he can understand."
-- Bertrand Russell.
Al Klein
posted in alt.atheism:
>>Do I have to remind of what the original post was about?
>>"Every major "anti-war" demonstration to date, including the
>>demonstrations on the Capitol Mall in October and January has been
>>organized and controlled by a self-styled Communist group called the
>>Workers World Party, and its front "International A.N.S.W.E.R."
>>I didn't find anything even remotely pointing in that direction on
>>that site. The fact that "the workers party" exists does not mean
>>they're behind "every major anti-war demonstration to date".
>Can you name one that was not? I can't...
Stop shifting the burden. Do you have actual evidence that all of
them were? (That you can't name any that weren't isn't evidence.)
--
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stood as anthropomorphic. What I see in Nature is a magnificent structure that we can
comprehend only very imperfectly, and that must fill a thinking person with a feeling of
humility. This is a genuinely religious feeling that has nothing to do with mysticism."
- 1954 or 1955; quoted in Dukas and Hoffman _Albert Einstein the Human Side_, p. 39
Al Klein
>Therion Ware complains that the "Torygraph" article doesn't cover
>the Washington demo.
"The original claim was that "***EVERY*** major "anti-war"
demonstration to date, including the demonstrations on the Capitol
Mall in October and January has been organized and controlled by a
self-styled Communist group called the Workers World Party".
Perhaps you could point out where the Torygraph article substantiates
this claim."
"This claim" being that ""***EVERY*** major "anti-war" demonstration
to date ... has been organized and controlled by a self-styled
Communist group called the Workers World Party".
You still haven't provided such evidence, and you never will.
--
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themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts."
- Bertrand Russell
Al Klein
>All the left have to offer is scorn and defamation.
>Anti-War Demos Give Marxists a New Lease of Life
All the right-wingnuts have to offer is an echo.
--
Zymurgist # 2
Al Klein
>What about CNN? Is that too a tainted source?
Anyone asking that question in any seriousness needs a refresher
course ... in 4th grade current events. You don't REALLY expect us to
take you seriously after that one, do you?
Oh, I get it ... you're a leftist trying to discredit the far right.
It won't work - no one will believe it.
Al Klein
>In soc.culture.british Randolf Fredricks <RFre...@pugssuck.org> wrote:
>> On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 14:23:57 GMT, "Liberals.HATE.America!',"
>> <LiberalHa...@yahoo.com.remvths99> wrote:
>> How can you type with your head so far up your ass?
>All the left have to offer is scorn and defamation.
>Anti-War Demos Give Marxists a New Lease of Life
>By Philip Johnston
>London Telegraph
>March 24, 2003
Do you really think that regurgiposting the same crap over and over
will some-magical-how make it true?
Or are you just a Repug fucktard who's still searching for an IQ?
--
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When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand
why I dismiss yours."
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Liberals.HATE.America!',
"Al Klein" <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote in message
news:h502gv0urhcg9j8lf...@Pern.rk...
> On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 17:35:26 GMT, oN...@cts.com posted in alt.atheism:
>
> >All the left have to offer is scorn and defamation.
>
> >Anti-War Demos Give Marxists a New Lease of Life
>
> All the right-wingnuts have to offer is an echo.
So, you could not dispute a single thing in that article, huh? LMAO!
Meteorite Debris
expanse of deep space -._.--._.--._.--._.--._.--._.
> http://www.nowar-sa.net/feb16.htm
That's the one. I can't see myself though.
Therion Ware
On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 03:30:23 GMT in alt.atheism, Al Klein (Al Klein
<ruk...@pern.invalid>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
>On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 18:32:37 GMT, oN...@cts.com posted in alt.atheism:
>
>>Therion Ware complains that the "Torygraph" article doesn't cover
>>the Washington demo.
>
>"The original claim was that "***EVERY*** major "anti-war"
>demonstration to date, including the demonstrations on the Capitol
>Mall in October and January has been organized and controlled by a
>self-styled Communist group called the Workers World Party".
>
>Perhaps you could point out where the Torygraph article substantiates
>this claim."
>
>"This claim" being that ""***EVERY*** major "anti-war" demonstration
>to date ... has been organized and controlled by a self-styled
>Communist group called the Workers World Party".
>
>You still haven't provided such evidence, and you never will.
And I think there's considerable equivocation over the phrase
"organised and controlled" as well. What does this phrase mean?
Here in the UK the London anti war march was one of the largest ever
recorded in with estimates varying between 750,000 and two million
depending on who you ask (everyone lies about size!). The BBC thought
the total about a million.
It's certainly true that various left-wing political organisations,
from local Labour parties to the SWP organised many aspects of the
march in as much as they advertised it, organised the transport,
provided march marshalls and so on. But the implication of the
article is that the organisation and control went a *lot* deeper than
that: that the protest itself was a tangible manifestation of
communist ideology.
It appears that we're being asked to believe that the SWP, WWP and
other far left groups can put a million people, from widely disparate
walks of life on the streets of London at the drop of a hat, and that
at least the significant proportion of these "foot soldiers" are
ideologically committed to communism. Which probably comes as news to
the WI (Women's Institute), and British Legion, amongst others.
Personally I wouldn't be surprised if the political leanings of the
marchers were broadly left of centre, but that's a hellava long way
from being card carrying communists ideologically committed to the
preservation of abhorrent governments.
Trouble is that, like the hard left, the hard right tends to paint too
with broad a brush and sees ideological devils everywhere it looks.
What might have been valid observations about the political indicators
suggested by the various world-wide marches becomes transformed
through the lens of ideology into yet another leftist conspiracy
theory that no one apart from the already converted will believe.
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> Every major "anti-war" demonstration to date, including the demonstrations
> on the Capitol Mall in October and January has been organized and controlled
> front "International A.N.S.W.E.R." The figurehead of this organization is
> former Attorney General Ramsey Clark and its organizer is Brian Becker, a
> member of the secretariat of the Worker's World Party. The WWP is aligned
> with the North Korean Communist regime and along with its figurehead has
> supported the North Vietnamese torturers of American POWS, the Ayatollah
> Khomeni regime in Iran, Slobodan Milosevic and Saddam Hussein.
The fact that the Stalinist scum of the WWP are masters at organizing
anti-war demonstrations doesn't mean that everyone opposed to the neocon
plan to conquer the entire Middle East for Israel is a Stalinist. It's
just that the WWP have people willing to support them financially in
their campaigning against the war (and yes, Kim Jong-Il, Milosevic, and
formerly Saddam Hussein were among the biggest backers). An anti-WWP
anti-war movement would be fabulous, but who would be prepared to fund it?
A similar situation is the way the Saudi Wahhabis are trying to use
their billions of petrodollars to take over Islam. The lamentable state
of US politics is also due to the excessive influence of money: the
Democrats (controlled by lawyer money - and in a previous era mob money)
are soft on crime while the Republicans (controlled by corporate money)
are plutocrats bent on enriching the few at the expense of the many.
Coreleus Corneleus
Surely you do not think that some of the issues they have raised are
non-existant, do you?
Matt Giwer
> Every major "anti-war" demonstration to date, including the demonstrations
> on the Capitol Mall in October and January has been organized and controlled
> by a self-styled Communist group called the Workers World Party, and its
> front "International A.N.S.W.E.R."
And therefore Iraq really did have Trailers of Mass Destruction.
The message was correct. Bush lied and knew he lied.
Attacking the messenger does not make Bush intelligent. Even god could
not do that.
--
Even Churchill realized we killed the wrong pig in WWII.
-- The Iron Webmaster, 2699
Therion Ware
On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 09:30:25 GMT in alt.atheism, Matt Giwer (Matt
Giwer <jul...@tampabay.rr.com>) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
>Liberals.HATE.America!', wrote:
>> Every major "anti-war" demonstration to date, including the demonstrations
>> on the Capitol Mall in October and January has been organized and controlled
>> by a self-styled Communist group called the Workers World Party, and its
>> front "International A.N.S.W.E.R."
>
> And therefore Iraq really did have Trailers of Mass Destruction.
One presumes the next attack will be on the Mid-West.
> The message was correct. Bush lied and knew he lied.
>
> Attacking the messenger does not make Bush intelligent. Even god could
>not do that.
--
The Frog
wrote:
>On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 15:11:04 -0500, The Frog <jmatt...@ticnet.com>
>posted in alt.atheism:
>
>
>>>Do I have to remind of what the original post was about?
>
>>>"Every major "anti-war" demonstration to date, including the
>>>demonstrations on the Capitol Mall in October and January has been
>>>organized and controlled by a self-styled Communist group called the
>>>Workers World Party, and its front "International A.N.S.W.E.R."
>
>>>I didn't find anything even remotely pointing in that direction on
>>>that site. The fact that "the workers party" exists does not mean
>>>they're behind "every major anti-war demonstration to date".
>
>>Can you name one that was not? I can't...
>
>Stop shifting the burden. Do you have actual evidence that all of
>them were? (That you can't name any that weren't isn't evidence.)
Can we agree that the ones we all saw on TV, at least the biggies in
San Francisco and D.C were organized by Communists?
Therion Ware
On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 07:26:37 -0500 in alt.atheism, The Frog (The Frog
<jmatt...@ticnet.com>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
>On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 03:26:13 GMT, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid>
>wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 15:11:04 -0500, The Frog <jmatt...@ticnet.com>
>>posted in alt.atheism:
>>
>>
>>>>Do I have to remind of what the original post was about?
>>
>>>>"Every major "anti-war" demonstration to date, including the
>>>>demonstrations on the Capitol Mall in October and January has been
>>>>organized and controlled by a self-styled Communist group called the
>>>>Workers World Party, and its front "International A.N.S.W.E.R."
>>
>>>>I didn't find anything even remotely pointing in that direction on
>>>>that site. The fact that "the workers party" exists does not mean
>>>>they're behind "every major anti-war demonstration to date".
>>
>>>Can you name one that was not? I can't...
>>
>>Stop shifting the burden. Do you have actual evidence that all of
>>them were? (That you can't name any that weren't isn't evidence.)
>
>Can we agree that the ones we all saw on TV, at least the biggies in
>San Francisco and D.C were organized by Communists?
Perhaps. It rather depends on what you mean by "organised by".
Please feel free to be explicit in your definition.
The Frog
<autod...@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 07:26:37 -0500 in alt.atheism, The Frog (The Frog
><jmatt...@ticnet.com>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
>
>
>
>>On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 03:26:13 GMT, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 15:11:04 -0500, The Frog <jmatt...@ticnet.com>
>>>posted in alt.atheism:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Do I have to remind of what the original post was about?
>>>
>>>>>"Every major "anti-war" demonstration to date, including the
>>>>>demonstrations on the Capitol Mall in October and January has been
>>>>>organized and controlled by a self-styled Communist group called the
>>>>>Workers World Party, and its front "International A.N.S.W.E.R."
>>>
>>>>>I didn't find anything even remotely pointing in that direction on
>>>>>that site. The fact that "the workers party" exists does not mean
>>>>>they're behind "every major anti-war demonstration to date".
>>>
>>>>Can you name one that was not? I can't...
>>>
>>>Stop shifting the burden. Do you have actual evidence that all of
>>>them were? (That you can't name any that weren't isn't evidence.)
>>
>>Can we agree that the ones we all saw on TV, at least the biggies in
>>San Francisco and D.C were organized by Communists?
>
>Perhaps. It rather depends on what you mean by "organised by".
>
>Please feel free to be explicit in your definition.
Main Entry: organized
Function: adjective
Date: 1817
1 : having a formal organization to coordinate and carry out
activities <organized baseball> <organized crime>
Therion Ware
On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 08:41:20 -0500 in alt.atheism, The Frog (The Frog
A dictionary is of course a wonderful place to start, but a foolish
place to finish, as here we learn from our theist brothers every day.
How does the fact that communists may have organised the transport and
played some part in the organisation imply anything about those who
may have taken part in the demonstrations?
Therion Ware
On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 16:24:55 +0200 in alt.atheism, Nokia (Nokia
<noki...@hotpop.com>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
>On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 15:18:21 +0100, Therion Ware
>Oh come on, you know. Everyone that's ever taken part in any
>demonstration that wasn't 100% bloodthirsty, is probably a communist.
>There are millions of communists today in American, flown in secretly
>from Moscow, where they are trained in the anti-american act of
>"voicing your opinion" by the KGB, Michael Moore and Osama Bin Laden.
Ok, it's a fair cop.
But society is to blame.
Dick C
> On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 03:26:13 GMT, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 15:11:04 -0500, The Frog <jmatt...@ticnet.com>
>>posted in alt.atheism:
>>
>>
>>>>Do I have to remind of what the original post was about?
>>
>>>>"Every major "anti-war" demonstration to date, including the
>>>>demonstrations on the Capitol Mall in October and January has been
>>>>organized and controlled by a self-styled Communist group called the
>>>>Workers World Party, and its front "International A.N.S.W.E.R."
>>
>>>>I didn't find anything even remotely pointing in that direction on
>>>>that site. The fact that "the workers party" exists does not mean
>>>>they're behind "every major anti-war demonstration to date".
>>
>>>Can you name one that was not? I can't...
>>
>>Stop shifting the burden. Do you have actual evidence that all of
>>them were? (That you can't name any that weren't isn't evidence.)
>
> Can we agree that the ones we all saw on TV, at least the biggies in
> San Francisco and D.C were organized by Communists?
So what if they were? Does that make the message any less important
or truthful? Does that mean that the protesters were any less sincere?
Does that mean that the protestors did not have the right to protest?
Does that even mean that the protestors were communist?
--
Dick #1349
"Believe those who are seeking the truth; doubt those who find it."
Andre Gide, French author and critic (1869-1951).
Home Page: dickcr.iwarp.com
email: dic...@localnet.com
Mark K. Bilbo
> On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 15:18:21 +0100, Therion Ware
> Oh come on, you know. Everyone that's ever taken part in any
> demonstration that wasn't 100% bloodthirsty, is probably a communist.
> There are millions of communists today in American, flown in secretly
> from Moscow, where they are trained in the anti-american act of
> "voicing your opinion" by the KGB, Michael Moore and Osama Bin Laden.
<hissing> cut that out, you'll give it all away!!!!
Mark K. Bilbo
> Subject: Re: Remember the Protestors?
> From: The Frog <jmatt...@ticnet.com>
> Reply-To: jm...@ticnet.com
>
> On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 03:26:13 GMT, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 15:11:04 -0500, The Frog <jmatt...@ticnet.com>
>>posted in alt.atheism:
>>
>>
>>>>Do I have to remind of what the original post was about?
>>
>>>>"Every major "anti-war" demonstration to date, including the
>>>>demonstrations on the Capitol Mall in October and January has been
>>>>organized and controlled by a self-styled Communist group called the
>>>>Workers World Party, and its front "International A.N.S.W.E.R."
>>
>>>>I didn't find anything even remotely pointing in that direction on
>>>>that site. The fact that "the workers party" exists does not mean
>>>>they're behind "every major anti-war demonstration to date".
>>
>>>Can you name one that was not? I can't...
>>
>>Stop shifting the burden. Do you have actual evidence that all of
>>them were? (That you can't name any that weren't isn't evidence.)
>
> Can we agree that the ones we all saw on TV, at least the biggies in
> San Francisco and D.C were organized by Communists?
So what if they were? Turns out, THEY WERE RIGHT.
Ah, the Bush and Blair comedy routine. They managed to create a situation
where even Marxists look good...
Mark K. Bilbo
> Here in the UK the London anti war march was one of the largest ever
> recorded in with estimates varying between 750,000 and two million
> depending on who you ask (everyone lies about size!). The BBC thought
> the total about a million.
Which is probably the reason for the frantic conspiracy theory attempts at
explanation...
Tukla Ratte
> In soc.culture.british Therion Ware <autod...@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
< snip >
> > The original claim was that "***EVERY*** major "anti-war"
> > demonstration to date, including the demonstrations on the Capitol
> > Mall in October and January has been organized and controlled by a
> > self-styled Communist group called the Workers World Party".
>
> > Perhaps you could point out where the Torygraph article substantiates
> > this claim.
>
>
> Well, it doesn't mention Capitol Mall, but it does make it pretty clear
> what's behind the 'Peace Movement' in the UK.
OMG! The Communists are organizing peace protests! What will those
insidious fiends do next?!
> However, there do seem to be other sources that substantiate whatsit's
> claim about the Capitol Mall demo.
There are also numerous sources that tell us who the liars responsible
for the deaths of thousands of Iraqi citizens are.
< snip >
--
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Super Noble Protector of Trailer Trash
Official Mascot of Alt.Atheism
Tukla Ratte
> I think he's trying to communicate! Isn't that cute.
<squints> Are you sure he's not just having a seizure?
Tukla Ratte
<autod...@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 09:30:25 GMT in alt.atheism, Matt Giwer (Matt
> Giwer <jul...@tampabay.rr.com>) said, directing the reply to
> alt.atheism
>
>
>
> >Liberals.HATE.America!', wrote:
> >> Every major "anti-war" demonstration to date, including the demonstrations
> >> on the Capitol Mall in October and January has been organized and controlled
> >> by a self-styled Communist group called the Workers World Party, and its
> >> front "International A.N.S.W.E.R."
> >
> > And therefore Iraq really did have Trailers of Mass Destruction.
>
> One presumes the next attack will be on the Mid-West.
Oh, shit.
</me starts packing his shinies>
< snip >
Therion Ware
On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 16:51:42 GMT in alt.atheism, Tukla Ratte
(tukla...@tukla.net (Tukla Ratte)) said, directing the reply to
alt.atheism
>On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 10:53:17 +0100, Therion Ware
><autod...@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 09:30:25 GMT in alt.atheism, Matt Giwer (Matt
>> Giwer <jul...@tampabay.rr.com>) said, directing the reply to
>> alt.atheism
>>
>>
>>
>> >Liberals.HATE.America!', wrote:
>> >> Every major "anti-war" demonstration to date, including the demonstrations
>> >> on the Capitol Mall in October and January has been organized and controlled
>> >> by a self-styled Communist group called the Workers World Party, and its
>> >> front "International A.N.S.W.E.R."
>> >
>> > And therefore Iraq really did have Trailers of Mass Destruction.
>>
>> One presumes the next attack will be on the Mid-West.
>
>Oh, shit.
>
></me starts packing his shinies>
That's ok. You can come an live with me.....
Alan Hobson
> In soc.culture.british Liberals.HATE.America!', <LiberalHa...@yahoo.com.remvths99> wrote:
>
> > "Nokia" <noki...@hotpop.com> wrote in message
> > news:6pi0gvoj8rf43k5dt...@4ax.com...
> >> On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 14:23:57 GMT, "Liberals.HATE.America!',"
> >>
> >> >
> >> >Every major "anti-war" demonstration to date, including the
> demonstrations
> >> >on the Capitol Mall in October and January has been organized and
> controlled
> >> >by a self-styled Communist group called the Workers World Party, and its
> >>
> >> would like to suggest Hansel and Gretel, Jack and the Beanstalk,
> >> Cinderella and Little red riding hood.
>
> > So you could not dispute a single thing huh? LOL!
>
> All the left have to offer is scorn and defamation.
Riiiight.... I seem to remember the right doing more than it's fair
share of the above during the Clinton administration. All Clinton got
was a BJ. Shrub's policies are destroying our civil rights, ruining
our economy, turning the US into a rogue nation, and killing our
soldiers to satisfy his personal vendettas.
-Alan
aa#1608
Mark K. Bilbo
>
>
> On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 16:51:42 GMT in alt.atheism, Tukla Ratte
> (tukla...@tukla.net (Tukla Ratte)) said, directing the reply to
> alt.atheism
>
>
>
>>On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 10:53:17 +0100, Therion Ware
>><autod...@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 09:30:25 GMT in alt.atheism, Matt Giwer (Matt
>>> Giwer <jul...@tampabay.rr.com>) said, directing the reply to
>>> alt.atheism
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >Liberals.HATE.America!', wrote:
>>> >> Every major "anti-war" demonstration to date, including the demonstrations
>>> >> on the Capitol Mall in October and January has been organized and controlled
>>> >> by a self-styled Communist group called the Workers World Party, and its
>>> >> front "International A.N.S.W.E.R."
>>> >
>>> > And therefore Iraq really did have Trailers of Mass Destruction.
>>>
>>> One presumes the next attack will be on the Mid-West.
>>
>>Oh, shit.
>>
>></me starts packing his shinies>
>
> That's ok. You can come an live with me.....
So much for the security deposit...
Mark K. Bilbo
> On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 18:28:52 GMT, oN...@cts.com wrote:
>
>> In soc.culture.british Therion Ware <autod...@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
>
> < snip >
>
>> > The original claim was that "***EVERY*** major "anti-war"
>> > demonstration to date, including the demonstrations on the Capitol
>> > Mall in October and January has been organized and controlled by a
>> > self-styled Communist group called the Workers World Party".
>>
>> > Perhaps you could point out where the Torygraph article substantiates
>> > this claim.
>>
>>
>> Well, it doesn't mention Capitol Mall, but it does make it pretty clear
>> what's behind the 'Peace Movement' in the UK.
>
> OMG! The Communists are organizing peace protests! What will those
> insidious fiends do next?!
Dastardly aren't they?
>> However, there do seem to be other sources that substantiate whatsit's
>> claim about the Capitol Mall demo.
>
> There are also numerous sources that tell us who the liars responsible
> for the deaths of thousands of Iraqi citizens are.
Hm... the horrible "commies" organized peace marches, Bush & Blair
organized a pointless war that killed thousands.
Hm...
oN...@cts.com
> On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 21:17:25 GMT, oN...@cts.com posted in alt.atheism:
>>What about CNN? Is that too a tainted source?
> Anyone asking that question in any seriousness needs a refresher
> course ... in 4th grade current events. You don't REALLY expect us to
> take you seriously after that one, do you?
Really, I expect very little from you. As I claimed earlier, the
left have nothing to offer but scorn and defamation.
> Oh, I get it ... you're a leftist trying to discredit the far right.
> It won't work - no one will believe it.
Your message is just one long ad hominem, Klein, and as such
constitutes a logical phallousy - not fallacy - because you
are so clearly a prick.
--
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Subject: Re: Indian woman dies on husband's pyre
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>I am proud to be a member of mommedan parliament.
oN...@cts.com
> "Al Klein" <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote in message
>> On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 17:35:26 GMT, oN...@cts.com posted in alt.atheism:
>>
>> >All the left have to offer is scorn and defamation.
>>
>> >Anti-War Demos Give Marxists a New Lease of Life
>>
>> All the right-wingnuts have to offer is an echo.
>
> So, you could not dispute a single thing in that article, huh? LMAO!
Let's see if I can push him into full blown mania.
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>>All the left have to offer is scorn and defamation.
>>Anti-War Demos Give Marxists a New Lease of Life
> All the right-wingnuts have to offer is an echo.
Thanks for the pseudo-psychiatric hate-speech, Klein. Did you know
that defamation of the kind you evidently prefer varies with the
policits of the attacker. Lefts, like you, who are generally more
intelligent - thereby creatures of the mind and hence more divorced
from reality - prefer mental illness flames? On the other hand,
rightists generally prefer sexual innuendo. Orwell described the
typical illness flames of the left in THROUGH A GLASS ROSILY.
The following links pertain to the group who organised the anti-war
demos. They point to a variety of sources, including CNN and WSWS.
So far there is only one exception to the claim that ANSWER organised
all the major anti-war demos.
Example 0. _________________________________________________________
Anti-War Demos Give Marxists a New Lease of Life
By Philip Johnston
London Telegraph
March 24, 2003
Example 1. _________________________________________________________
http://www.spectrezine.org/war/McReynolds2.htm
"The primary organizer, ANSWER, is pretty much run by a small group of
Marxist/Leninists who belong to the tiny Workers World Party."
Example 2. _________________________________________________________
http://www.hometown-usa.us/harticle.html
"Every major "anti-war" demonstration to date, including the
demonstrations on the Capitol Mall in October and January has been
organized and controlled by a self-styled Communist group called the
Workers World Party, and its front "International A.N.S.W.E.R."
Example 3. _________________________________________________________
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/jan2003/demo-j20.shtml
"The demonstration was organized by International ANSWER (Act Now to Stop
War and End Racism)."
Example 4. ______________________________________________________________
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/01/18/sproject.irq.us.protests/
"The rally is one of dozens organized in 25 countries by the group Act Now
to Stop War and End Racism (ANSWER). The group said it had organized
transportation from more than 200 cities in 45 states for the rallies in
Washington and San Francisco. Organizers estimated the crowd at about
200,000. Washington park police would not offer an estimate."
"ANSWER is planning a week of anti-war demonstrations beginning February
13. The group is calling for actions supporting protests in Europe on
February 15, and for protests -- including walk-outs by U.S. college and
high school students -- February 21 to coincide with the anniversary of
the assassination of Malcolm X."
Example 5. ______________________________________________________________
http://www.takver.com/history/melb/peace91101.htm
"Sunday 4 November: ANSWER Stop War Rally. (Act Now Stop War End Racism)
About 800 people rallied for peace and to stop the war, in the Melbourne
city Square today. Several hundred had rallied with the Refugee Action
Collective at Southbank against the treatment of refugees and had marched
to join the anti-war rally, where they were addressed by several speakers.
The rally then marched on Liberal Party Headquaters, then to the lawns of
the State Library for music and entertainment. Similar demonstrations
occurred in Perth, Sydney, Adelaide and Brisbane."
Exception 1.
http://www.nowar-sa.net/feb16.htm, organised by NOWAR
The Frog
<iskan...@hoo.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 16:51:41 +0000, Tukla Ratte wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 18:28:52 GMT, oN...@cts.com wrote:
>>
>>> In soc.culture.british Therion Ware <autod...@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
>>
>> < snip >
>>
>>> > The original claim was that "***EVERY*** major "anti-war"
>>> > demonstration to date, including the demonstrations on the Capitol
>>> > Mall in October and January has been organized and controlled by a
>>> > self-styled Communist group called the Workers World Party".
>>>
>>> > Perhaps you could point out where the Torygraph article substantiates
>>> > this claim.
>>>
>>>
>>> Well, it doesn't mention Capitol Mall, but it does make it pretty clear
>>> what's behind the 'Peace Movement' in the UK.
>>
>> OMG! The Communists are organizing peace protests! What will those
>> insidious fiends do next?!
>
>Dastardly aren't they?
>
>>> However, there do seem to be other sources that substantiate whatsit's
>>> claim about the Capitol Mall demo.
>>
>> There are also numerous sources that tell us who the liars responsible
>> for the deaths of thousands of Iraqi citizens are.
>
>Hm... the horrible "commies" organized peace marches, Bush & Blair
>organized a pointless war that killed thousands.
When cornered with the truth, the tactic turns to perceived
relativism. "Well, they aren't as bad a Bush" is what the poster
blathers.
Well, yes, they are worse and much more dangerous. Millions have paid
the price for the same stupidity that you are demonstrating.
Yes, Communists are dangerous.
oN...@cts.com
Quod e-Rat Demonstrandumb.
oN...@cts.com
>>Therion Ware complains that the "Torygraph" article doesn't cover
>>the Washington demo.
> "The original claim was that "***EVERY*** major "anti-war"
> demonstration to date, including the demonstrations on the Capitol
> Mall in October and January has been organized and controlled by a
> self-styled Communist group called the Workers World Party".
> Perhaps you could point out where the Torygraph article substantiates
> this claim."
> "This claim" being that ""***EVERY*** major "anti-war" demonstration
> to date ... has been organized and controlled by a self-styled
> Communist group called the Workers World Party".
> You still haven't provided such evidence, and you never will.
No, see below. So far we have one exception, a march organised
by NOWAR, a group in Adelaide. However, ANSWER _did_ organise a
march in Adelaide too. If you mean I will never be able to convince
you then sure - I concede your bigotry is invincible. Congratualations
on the total closure of what passes for your mind.
Max
Example 0. _________________________________________________________
Anti-War Demos Give Marxists a New Lease of Life
By Philip Johnston
London Telegraph
March 24, 2003
Example 1. _________________________________________________________
http://www.spectrezine.org/war/McReynolds2.htm
"The primary organizer, ANSWER, is pretty much run by a small group of
Marxist/Leninists who belong to the tiny Workers World Party."
Example 2. _________________________________________________________
http://www.hometown-usa.us/harticle.html
"Every major "anti-war" demonstration to date, including the
demonstrations on the Capitol Mall in October and January has been
organized and controlled by a self-styled Communist group called the
Workers World Party, and its front "International A.N.S.W.E.R."
oN...@cts.com
> On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 18:28:52 GMT, oN...@cts.com wrote:
>> In soc.culture.british Therion Ware <autod...@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
> < snip >
>> > The original claim was that "***EVERY*** major "anti-war"
>> > demonstration to date, including the demonstrations on the Capitol
>> > Mall in October and January has been organized and controlled by a
>> > self-styled Communist group called the Workers World Party".
>>
>> > Perhaps you could point out where the Torygraph article substantiates
>> > this claim.
>>
>>
>> Well, it doesn't mention Capitol Mall, but it does make it pretty clear
>> what's behind the 'Peace Movement' in the UK.
> OMG! The Communists are organizing peace protests!
Child, please remember that Communists peace protests are organised
to hinder the USA and the UK: they never had any peace protests when
the USSR invaded Poland, Hungary, Czechoslovakia, etc.
> What will those insidious fiends do next?!
Check out GULAG: A HISTORY by Anne Applebaum. That should give
you some idea.
However, as I suggested to your cohort Dick, it's not impossible that
the left could pass info to the Islamicysts as they passed info to the
USSR in WW2 and the Cold War. For example, with the source code for
a transport system or air traffic control system it would be too hard
to spoof it crash trains or planes. Radio networks are notoriously
insecure.
If you remember, the communists passed war secrets to the Nazis in
WW2, so the communists are 'flexible' in their alliances.
>> However, there do seem to be other sources that substantiate whatsit's
>> claim about the Capitol Mall demo.
> There are also numerous sources that tell us who the liars responsible
> for the deaths of thousands of Iraqi citizens are.
What about military software? Surely people who write military
software are involved too.
> < snip >
oN...@cts.com
> On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 18:28:52 +0000, oNrO wrote:
>> Well, it doesn't mention Capitol Mall, but it does make it pretty clear
>> what's behind the 'Peace Movement' in the UK.
> What was behind Tony lying his ass off?
British Empire III :-)
oN...@cts.com
>> On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 18:28:52 GMT, oN...@cts.com wrote:
>>
>>> In soc.culture.british Therion Ware <autod...@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
>>
>> < snip >
>>
>>> > The original claim was that "***EVERY*** major "anti-war"
>>> > demonstration to date, including the demonstrations on the Capitol
>>> > Mall in October and January has been organized and controlled by a
>>> > self-styled Communist group called the Workers World Party".
>>>
>>> > Perhaps you could point out where the Torygraph article substantiates
>>> > this claim.
>>>
>>>
>>> Well, it doesn't mention Capitol Mall, but it does make it pretty clear
>>> what's behind the 'Peace Movement' in the UK.
>>
>> OMG! The Communists are organizing peace protests!
They organised 'peace protests' against the British in WW2 as well.
At least until the Wehrmacht rolled into Russia.
>> What will those insidious fiends do next?!
Read GULAG: A HISTORY by Anne Applebaum. That should give you some idea.
> Dastardly aren't they?
http://www.freedomsnest.com/rummel_totals.html
>>> However, there do seem to be other sources that substantiate whatsit's
>>> claim about the Capitol Mall demo.
>>
>> There are also numerous sources that tell us who the liars responsible
>> for the deaths of thousands of Iraqi citizens are.
> Hm... the horrible "commies" organized peace marches, Bush & Blair
> organized a pointless war that killed thousands.
> Hm...
Funny how you think 100 million dead at the hands of communism is
a fitting subject for levity but you are all bent out of shape by
"thousands" of Iraqi dead.
oN...@cts.com
> On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 03:30:23 GMT in alt.atheism, Al Klein (Al Klein
> <ruk...@pern.invalid>) said, directing the reply to alt.atheism
>>On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 18:32:37 GMT, oN...@cts.com posted in alt.atheism:
>>
>>>Therion Ware complains that the "Torygraph" article doesn't cover
>>>the Washington demo.
>>
>>"The original claim was that "***EVERY*** major "anti-war"
>>demonstration to date, including the demonstrations on the Capitol
>>Mall in October and January has been organized and controlled by a
>>self-styled Communist group called the Workers World Party".
>>
>>Perhaps you could point out where the Torygraph article substantiates
>>this claim."
>>
>>"This claim" being that ""***EVERY*** major "anti-war" demonstration
>>to date ... has been organized and controlled by a self-styled
>>Communist group called the Workers World Party".
>>
>>You still haven't provided such evidence, and you never will.
> And
Therion, please restrain yourself, I posted a ton of evidence, which you
evidently choose to ignore.
> I think there's considerable equivocation over the phrase
> "organised and controlled" as well. What does this phrase mean?
Is this a retreat into pedantry, Therion?
> Here in the UK the London anti war march was one of the largest ever
> recorded in with estimates varying between 750,000 and two million
> depending on who you ask (everyone lies about size!). The BBC thought
> the total about a million.
> It's certainly true that various left-wing political organisations,
> from local Labour parties to the SWP organised many aspects of the
> march in as much as they advertised it, organised the transport,
> provided march marshalls and so on. But the implication of the
> article is that the organisation and control went a *lot* deeper than
> that: that the protest itself was a tangible manifestation of
> communist ideology.
The use of children to parrot the party line is a characteristic
of the communist party.
> It appears that we're being asked to believe that the SWP, WWP and
Absolutely not. I like you just the way you are. An ideological bigot.
> other far left groups can put a million people, from widely disparate
> walks of life on the streets of London at the drop of a hat, and that
> at least the significant proportion of these "foot soldiers" are
> ideologically committed to communism. Which probably comes as news to
> the WI (Women's Institute), and British Legion, amongst others.
That's a well constructed strawman, Therion. Well up to your
usual standards of construction. In fact it is smarter than
Klein, isn't it?
> Personally I wouldn't be surprised if the political leanings of the
> marchers were broadly left of centre, but that's a hellava long way
> from being card carrying communists ideologically committed to the
> preservation of abhorrent governments.
Ever heard the expression "useful idiot"?
> Trouble is that, like the hard left, the hard right tends to paint too
> with broad a brush and sees ideological devils everywhere it looks.
Well if you mean me, I am a Labour Voter - Old Labour, not New Labour.
> What might have been valid observations about the political indicators
> suggested by the various world-wide marches becomes transformed
> through the lens of ideology into yet another leftist conspiracy
> theory that no one apart from the already converted will believe.
Wow, and everyone is in on this conspiracy, from WSWS to CNN?
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The Fact That Hussein's Gone Doesn't Make Lying Right
Robert Scheer
June 24, 2003
There was a time when the sickness of the political far left could
best be defined by the rationale that the ends justified the means.
Happily, support for revolutionary regimes claiming to advance the
interests of their people through atrocious acts is now seen as an
evil dead end by most on the left. Immoral and undemocratic means lead
inevitably to immoral and undemocratic ends.
Unfortunately, junior Machiavellis claiming to wear the white hat
still are running amok among us. This time, however, they are on the
right, apologists for the Bush administration arguing that noble ends
justify deceitful means.
With the administration's core rationale for invading Iraq — saving
the world from Saddam Hussein's deadly arsenal — almost wholly
discredited, the Republicans now want us to believe that any
distortions of the truth should have been forgotten once we took
Baghdad.
As Newt Gingrich put it last week: "Does even the most left-wing
Democrat want to defend the proposition that the world would be better
off with Saddam in power?"
The quick answer is that we don't know what the future holds for Iraq.
Our track record of military interventions in the Middle East and
elsewhere would lead any competent historian or Vegas bookie to
conclude that a stable secular dictatorship is about the best outcome
we can predict. But the larger, more frightening meaning of Gingrich's
statement is that in order to rid the world of a tinhorn dictator who
posed no credible threat to the United States, it was just dandy to
lie to the people.
It was OK to lie about the nonexistent evidence of ties between
Hussein and Al Qaeda. It was OK to lie about the U.N. weapons
inspectors, claiming they were suckered by Hussein. It was OK to lie,
not only to Americans but to our allies in this war, about
"intelligence" alleging that Iraq's military had chemical and
biological weapons deployed in the field. Only it's not OK.
Washington's verbal attack on the U.N. inspectors, for example, is of
no small consequence, undermining global efforts to prevent nuclear
weapons proliferation.
Meanwhile, to justify a political faction's blunder we ignore core
values upon which this country was built. The New York Times on Friday
blithely referred to the use of "coercive" measures in interrogating
former Iraqi scientists and officials. Apparently, protections in
international treaties for political prisoners do not apply to us.
Similarly, the indefensible gambit of preemptive war has seriously
damaged two of this nation's most precious commodities — our democracy
and the reputation of our form of government. By giving Congress
distorted and incomplete intelligence on Iraq, the Bush administration
mocks what is most significant in the U.S. model: the notion of
separation of powers and the spirit of the Constitution's mandate that
only Congress has the power to declare war.
Is this an exaggeration? Consider that on Oct. 7, 2002, four days
before Congress authorized the Iraq war, President Bush asserted that
intelligence data proved Iraq had trained Al Qaeda "in bomb making and
poisons and deadly gases." Yet no such proof existed. Never in modern
times have we beheld a Congress so easily manipulated by the executive
branch. Last week, the Democrats on the Senate Intelligence Committee
caved in and dropped their opposition to closed hearings on whether
Congress was lied to. How can they not be open to the public, which is
expected under our system to hold the president and Congress
accountable?
To be sure, many Americans were never fooled, and many more have
become upset at seeing continuing casualties and chaos in Iraq after
Bush's pricey aircraft carrier photo op signaled that the war was
over. But much of our public has been too easily conned. For contrast,
consider that in Britain the citizens, Parliament and media have been
far more seriously engaged in questioning the premises of their
government's participation in the invasion of Iraq.
This administration's behavior is an affront to the nation's founders
and the system of governance they crafted. It is sad that we now have
a president who acts like a king and a Congress that is his pawn.
On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 14:23:57 GMT, "Liberals.HATE.America!',"
<LiberalHa...@yahoo.com.remvths99> wrote:
>
>Every major "anti-war" demonstration to date, including the demonstrations
>on the Capitol Mall in October and January has been organized and controlled
>by a self-styled Communist group called the Workers World Party, and its
>front "International A.N.S.W.E.R." The figurehead of this organization is
>former Attorney General Ramsey Clark and its organizer is Brian Becker, a
>member of the secretariat of the Worker's World Party. The WWP is aligned
>with
>the North Korean Communist regime and along with its figurehead has
>supported the North Vietnamese torturers of American POWS, the Ayatollah
>Khomeni regime in Iran, Slobodan Milosevic and Saddam Hussein.
>
>At the Mall, the speakers - all selected by the Workers World Party -
>denounced America as an imperialist aggressor and "the axis of evil," and
>called for "regime change" and "revolution" in the United States. An imam
>from a Washington DC mosque led the crowd in chants of "Allahu Akbar," which
>is the cry of the suicide bombers as they blow up innocent civilian targets.
>Mohammed Atta, the leader of the 9/11 suicide bombers, gave these
>instructions to his team: "When the confrontation begins, strike like
>champions who do not want to go back to this world. Shout, 'Allahu Akbar,'
>because this strikes fear in the hearts of the non-believers."
>
>John Conyers, the ranking Democrat on the House Judiciary Committee was a
>featured speaker at the Workers World Party "peace" rally, as was former
>Democratic Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney. Representative Charles Rangel,
>the ranking Democrat on the House Ways and Means Committee sent a letter of
>support. In a sister demonstration in San Francisco, also organized by the
>Workers World Party, California State Senator, Democrat John Burton, told
>the protesters that the President of the United States was "full of s___"
>and was "f---ing America."
>
>So appalling were these demonstrations that older members of the left
>disassociated themselves from this movement in articles that appeared in
>leftwing magazines like Salon.com and the L.A. Weekly (the latter article
>was written by David Corn, Washington editor of The Nation).
>
>On February 15, an anti-war protest will be held in New York City, organized
>by a new group called "United for Peace and Justice." This group is headed
>by Leslie Cagan, a Sixties Marxist with a long history of supporting
>Communist causes. She was a member of the Venceremos Brigades organized by
>Cuban Intelligence. She was a member of the Committees for Correspondence, a
>faction of the Communist Party USA, and she is co-chair of the National
>Network on Cuba an organization whose purpose is propaganda and political
>support for the Castro dictatorship. Cagan has warned that, "If marches do
>not work, we will escalate. We will have to do things to disrupt the normal
>flow of life in this country."(NYTimes, 2/04/03) This threat of sabotage
>should not be taken lightly given the history of more than 1,000 domestic
>bombings during the Vietnam War.
>
>The agendas of the so-called "peace movement" are pro-Communist and
>anti-American. Its organizers have worked with America's enemies in the past
>and are continuing to do so in the midst of this war. This is the very
>definition of a political "fifth column." Honest dissenters and Americans
>concerned about the future of their country should take a hard look at these
>protests and those who support them.
>
>
>--
>Oh, be still my heart.
>
>I'm falling in love with the guy all over again, while reading Hillary's
>book.
>Forget about her being the smartest woman in the world. She's the luckiest
>woman!
>
>- Bonnie BLUE EYES, bonib...@aol.com, who insists everyone knows she is
>White
>
>
-----
Yang
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Mark K. Bilbo
Wait. I'm supposed to worry about a discredited and imploding economic
theory while actual, current leaders start wars for no reason but imperial
hubris?
I see...
Bucky Kaufman
know. They never knew. They may never know. It's not about WMD. It's a
crusade to Christianize or kill every Arab they can.
"Yang" <eac...@SPAMmail.com> wrote in message
news:3f023cdf...@news.cox.net...
> Where the WMD bitch?
Al Klein
posted in alt.atheism:
>On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 03:26:13 GMT, Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid>
>wrote:
>>Stop shifting the burden. Do you have actual evidence that all of
>>them were? (That you can't name any that weren't isn't evidence.)
>Can we agree that the ones we all saw on TV, at least the biggies in
>San Francisco and D.C were organized by Communists?
Whether we can or not is totally irrelevant. But I'll take your
evasion as admission that you can't back up your assertion that they
all were.
--
"I can't activate two neurons simultaneously, and I vote"
- The theistic majority
rukbat at optonline dot net
Mark K. Bilbo
Well, gosh, I just can't see having a hissy fit over a political party
that's collapsed and been discredited world wide instead of, oh, actual
wars and stuff happening right now...
Mark K. Bilbo
> In soc.culture.british Mark K. Bilbo <iskan...@hoo.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 18:28:52 +0000, oNrO wrote:
>
>>> Well, it doesn't mention Capitol Mall, but it does make it pretty clear
>>> what's behind the 'Peace Movement' in the UK.
>
>> What was behind Tony lying his ass off?
>
> British Empire III :-)
Oh like Bush is going to let Tony have any...
Al Klein
>> "This claim" being that ""***EVERY*** major "anti-war" demonstration
>> to date ... has been organized and controlled by a self-styled
>> Communist group called the Workers World Party".
>> You still haven't provided such evidence, and you never will.
>No, see below. So far we have one exception
Which, alone, disproves the assertion. But you never will prove it,
even ignoring that one exception.
>If you mean I will never be able to convince you
No, I mean you'll never be able to prove that every single major
anti-war demonstration was organized and controlled by Communists.
(I've participated in a few that weren't, and you can't prove that an
incorrect assertion is correct.)
--
"If knowledge can create problems, it is not through ignorance that we can
solve them."
-Isaac Asimov
&
There are three kinds of men:
The ones that learn by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence.
- (Will Roger
Al Klein
<LiberalHa...@yahoo.com.remvths99> posted in alt.atheism:
>"Al Klein" <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote in message
>news:h502gv0urhcg9j8lf...@Pern.rk...
>> On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 17:35:26 GMT, oN...@cts.com posted in alt.atheism:
>> >All the left have to offer is scorn and defamation.
>> >Anti-War Demos Give Marxists a New Lease of Life
>> All the right-wingnuts have to offer is an echo.
>So, you could not dispute a single thing in that article, huh? LMAO!
I still hear an echo.
--
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of
themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts."
- Bertrand Russell
Al Klein
>In soc.culture.british Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
>> On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 17:35:26 GMT, oN...@cts.com posted in alt.atheism:
>>>All the left have to offer is scorn and defamation.
>>>Anti-War Demos Give Marxists a New Lease of Life
>> All the right-wingnuts have to offer is an echo.
>Thanks for the pseudo-psychiatric hate-speech, Klein.
Oh? You can't read? I'm so sorry.
--
"I can't activate two neurons simultaneously, and I vote"
- The theistic majority
Al Klein
>In soc.culture.british Al Klein <ruk...@pern.invalid> wrote:
>> On Mon, 30 Jun 2003 21:17:25 GMT, oN...@cts.com posted in alt.atheism:
>>>What about CNN? Is that too a tainted source?
>> Anyone asking that question in any seriousness needs a refresher
>> course ... in 4th grade current events. You don't REALLY expect us to
>> take you seriously after that one, do you?
>Really, I expect very little from you. As I claimed earlier, the
>left have nothing to offer but scorn and defamation.
And you're still offering nothing more than an echo.
>> Oh, I get it ... you're a leftist trying to discredit the far right.
>> It won't work - no one will believe it.
>Your message is just one long ad hominem
No, that would only hold true if I were arguing to a man, rather than
to an idea. (That IS what ad hominem means.)
>Klein, and as such
>constitutes a logical phallousy - not fallacy - because you
>are so clearly a prick.
And you clearly have no sense of irony.
--
"I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the harmony of all that exists, but
not in a God who concerns himself with the fate and actions of human beings."
-A. Einstein (1929 -- Einstein Archive 33-272)
J.R. Ewing
wrote:
<SNIP>
Please excuse this nut case that calls himself "DA BEAR." He pretends
to be an ex military type. But we can all see that he is just another
simple minded usenet troll looking for attention.
Liberals.HATE.America!',
"J.R. Ewing" <jre...@NEVERSPAM.0RG> wrote in message
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Oh, you must be another Ralph Snart. In fact EVERYBODY he doesn't like is
now a Ralph Snart. There is a vast Ralph Snart conspiracy taking over the
Internet. OH MY GOD!! This Ralph Snart guy is really something how he posts
under 2000 different names with 2000 different ISP addresses and ever
provider under the sun. Wow! He must be really making the big dough to have
subscriptions to all those different providers. And what kind of man must he
be to post around the clock, day after day? Just amazing!
Ralph Snart, you're days are numbered pal!!!
Tukla Ratte
<iskan...@hoo.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 18:33:58 -0500, The Frog wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 16:18:00 -0500, "Mark K. Bilbo"
> > <iskan...@hoo.com> wrote:
< snip >
> >>Hm... the horrible "commies" organized peace marches, Bush & Blair
> >>organized a pointless war that killed thousands.
> >
> > When cornered with the truth, the tactic turns to perceived
> > relativism. "Well, they aren't as bad a Bush" is what the poster
> > blathers.
> > Well, yes, they are worse and much more dangerous. Millions have paid
> > the price for the same stupidity that you are demonstrating.
> > Yes, Communists are dangerous.
>
> Wait. I'm supposed to worry about a discredited and imploding economic
> theory while actual, current leaders start wars for no reason but imperial
> hubris?
They're doing everything they can to distract people from the
still-missing weapons of mass destruction.
Next they'll be telling us that Saddam is funding the Communists from
[insert next target country here].
--
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Tukla Ratte
< snip >
> Funny how you think 100 million dead at the hands of communism is
> a fitting subject for levity but you are all bent out of shape by
> "thousands" of Iraqi dead.
Bush and Blair are directly responsible for the deaths of those
thousands.
How many people have the members of the Workers World Party killed?
Tukla Ratte
--
oN...@cts.com
> Bush's Republican Guard has already answered this question. They don't
> know. They never knew. They may never know. It's not about WMD. It's a
> crusade to Christianize or kill every Arab they can.
I am a member of Bush's Republican Guard/Stasi, and I just want the
oil for the UK. British Empire III.
> "Yang" <eac...@SPAMmail.com> wrote in message
> news:3f023cdf...@news.cox.net...
>> Where the WMD bitch?
In your behind, I hope. If not now, then soon :-)