steve irwin(nearly) feeds newborn bub to croc
artemis67
it),but hey,I like to share strange things from my homeland with JD
buddies..Quite amazing.
cheers
lisette
----- Original Message -----
From: "artemis67" <arte...@nospam.com>
Newsgroups: alt.music.michael-jackson
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2004 7:56 PM
Subject: Forget mj's baby dangling-here's steve irwin
Just watched my local current affairs show.Today Tonight on Channel 7.
Steve Irwin showed the world that mj is not the only one who can risk a
baby's life.In his act at the zoo he owns on the Gold Coast Hinterland,here
in Queensland,he held his one month old son while feeding a crocodile.Not
so
bad,I guess,I say to myself-he's a croc expert,this is show biz, he'a not a
fool, and knows what he's doing.......or does he???
THEN,he does something that makes my blood go cold.He drops bub to the
>ground, &"hand" walks him on the grass to the edge of the water-literally
holding the baby CENTIMETRES from the jaws of the croc as it rests on the
ground.(!!!!!!)
>If you've ever read anything about croc attacks, you know it only takes ONE
SECOND for a croc to turn and grab you...how easy to snap a baby,only a
foot
away,and on the ground near the jaws of the croc??
I saw the footage on tv,and while I hate to be an hysteric-all it would have
taken
were a second of Steve's guard being down...and MUNCH! Baby Bob Irwin is
croc dessert.I like Steve-he's an affable good - natured bloke who puts all
his dosh into animal conservation causes, but seeing this was stomach
churning.....
If you want to view the video,go to:
http://www.todaytonight.com.au/
I think you
guys will find it pretty nerv-wracking,as I did......It makes mj's
baby-dangling look like a safety measure in comparison.....
Truly spooky.Yikes.
cheers
artie67
(Lisette)
============
"If I were a ranch,I'd be called the Bar Nothing. " - Rita Hayworth
postal
I just saw that on the news. People that put their kids in danger like
that shouldn't have them. Sorry, but that was risk of injury, and he
shouldn't be allowed access to the child for that kind of foolishness. Too
much happens to kids without adding risk of injury. I agree that this is a
foolish thing he did.
Dorothy
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artemis67
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this one.Queenslanders are NOT happy about Steve endangering his bub.His
timing couldn't be worse-he's the Qld nomination for 2004 Australian of the
Year,a very prestigious award in our country.This is basically what
happened:
http://au.news.yahoo.com/030828/2/lgoa.html
And you can view the incident on the link in the last post.Opinions,people?
capn...@hotmail.com
I am sure the controversy has just begun and he is going to regret
that move soon. It just shows you that he is becoming too complacent,
and if not careful will end up losing something dear to him. On a
lighter note it seams like I remember my parents wanted to feed me to
the Crocodiles, Alligators, and or animals a few times in my life when
I was growing up. But, they never actually took me to the pond.
Ted
artemis67
Just saw the footage again on the news-what WAS he thinking???
Steve's Zoo is only about an hour's drive away from the city I live in , &
you wouldn't believe the amount of debate on radio,in the press,angry emails
etc this has generated here in Brisbane.While I don't think it's necessary
for Family Services to get involved
(see story link below)
http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,8310860%255E2,00.html
this wasn't Steve's smartest move. I hope he won't do it again- but alas
like Michael Jackson's"Why not share your bed?" theory,alas I fear he's
gotten a bit too overconfident re his own skills & will keep doing it.
.
cheers
Lisette
"postal" <jdposta...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Nanci124
rats. I love my parents.
postal
begin with. His wife is just as guilty, as SHE was the one that brought the
baby into the pen and stood by watching. Although Steve said he had it
all under control, one can never predict what an animal might do. Even TAME
DOGS have been known to attach an infant. Thus, what chance did Steve have
if something had happened. He said he did this with his daughter also, but
then it wasn't televised either.
No, I agree, it wasn't one of the best moves he's ever made, and is probaby
now sorry about it. Still, once Family Services get involved, he could
lose the kids or even made to have a responsible person present when he is
with them.
It's really a shame when kids are put into danger by those that are supposed
to be taking care of them and should KNOW better.
Dorothy
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artemis67
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LOL!
Hi Ted,
He does seem to think he can badger animals minding their own business with
impunity.One of these days he's going to lose his nose to a crabby python,or
his kids will have a mishap.Very worrying.
cheers
Lisette
Kennon Baird
there is no god.
KB
Can Altinbay
news:95rdvv0gljb41cjea...@4ax.com...
> The fact that Steve Irwin isn't a pile of crocodile shit is proof that
> there is no god.
>
> KB
To paraphrase Buffy the Vampire Slayer - I'm sure I speak for many of us
when I say, "Huh?"
--
How can you worship a homeless man on Sunday
and ignore another on Monday?
The Goddess in Tennis Shoes
> in Queensland,he held his one month old son while feeding a crocodile.
yeah, I saw that. and if I couldn't stand the son of a bitch before, I REALLY
wanna dangle his gonads over a croc's mouth now. what a jack ass! and he and
the dim bulb he married don't see anything wrong in the action. <sigh>
peace,
jesse
http://www.thecoffeyhouse.net
The proper function of a man is to live, not to exist.
I shall not waste my days in trying to prolong them.
I shall use my time."
Jack London
1876-1916
The Goddess in Tennis Shoes
>there is no god.
oh, he may not be in the literal sense....
capn...@hotmail.com
> there is no god.
>
> KB
First of all you have to prove to the world he is not a pile of
crocodile shit. Even if he isn't yet God's not through with him, and
he keeps making it easier for God to do this job. I would even guess
the devil gets to do his part here too. Because you don't believe in
God or the devil. Reminds me of a Mick Jagger song. To each his own.
The Goddess in Tennis Shoes
>crocodile shit.
LOL, sounds like you guys are missing the reference.
"croc shite" as in eaten and digested and come out the other end?
Diamondsnstones
about this piece of s--t. I agree with everything you have said but I am sure
there is more you have to add to your post. I know that I do. Having children
to use them as food for dumb reptiles should be a death penalty crime. Does
living in Australia affect some people in this rediculous manner? Surely
someone over there could take a hatchet and put a dent in his totally solid and
dense head. As to the wife, is there a shortage of men down there? Or is she
just some dense idiot who teamed up with another dense idiot?
>
>yeah, I saw that. and if I couldn't stand the son of a bitch before, I REALLY
>wanna dangle his gonads over a croc's mouth now. what a jack ass! and he and
>the dim bulb he married don't see anything wrong in the action. <sigh>
>
>
>peace,
>
>jesse
He did say that if he had it to do again he might ( I loved that *might* have
done things a bit differently. Wonder what that means?
Diamondsnstones
Diamondsnstones
see it.
Diamondsnstones
Asrael
Diamondsnstones <diamond...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Now Jesse, once again, I would like for you to tell us what you really
think
> about this piece of s--t. I agree with everything you have said but I am
sure
> there is more you have to add to your post. I know that I do. Having
children
> to use them as food for dumb reptiles should be a death penalty crime.
Does
> living in Australia affect some people in this rediculous manner? Surely
> someone over there could take a hatchet and put a dent in his totally
solid and
> dense head. As to the wife, is there a shortage of men down there? Or is
she
> just some dense idiot who teamed up with another dense idiot?
>
> >
her part of the USA that led her to marry Steve.
Believe me the authorities are Taking an Interest, even in Queensland, which
is a little backward.
Fiona
Can Altinbay
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>
> > >
> Sorry loves...but she's American. Must have been a shortage of dorky men
in
> her part of the USA that led her to marry Steve.
That would be hard to believe. :-)
> Believe me the authorities are Taking an Interest, even in Queensland,
which
> is a little backward.
> Fiona
>
>
--
The Goddess in Tennis Shoes
<snap> I was so hoping I finally figured out one first. <sigh> ah well, back to
my mediocrity.
>Even in the South we know shit when we
>see it.
LOL, oh yes we do...and it's name is George W. Bush.
ok, I'll behave, Mum. ;-)
The Goddess in Tennis Shoes
>about this piece of s--t.
LOL, aye, m' lady.
Is there more to add? Hmm...you mean like the walking the child to the water's
edge and sticking his little feet in the water? Supposedly that croc had gone
back in the pool. And those beasties are wicked fast. Look, LUNCH!!! Bob
becomes the main course of "on the hoof" and a certain Croc Hunter is left
without a child. What a freaking moron. "Croc Savvy?" Since when do I have to
be plunged in the water with a beast to be croc savvy? I know quite a bit about
sharks...I've never dived with one. What a load of codswallop!
"Croc savvy" means learning respect for the breed, for the animal in its
habitat. That wasn't teaching that child respect. It was teaching that
child--and his daughter--the arrogance that he's lived with and tried to make
all of us think is correct behavior in the wild. He has been intrusive,
abusive, and obnoxious to the species. I'm with KB, why this jackass isn't
currently fertilizing a crocodile's habitat is beyond me.
This is the Sigfried and Roy mentality...they're his "babies," so it's ok.
They're just doing what comes naturally. Of course they are, you ignoramus,
they're protecting themselves against perceived threats. THEY'RE WILD, YOU
EGOTISTICAL, EGOCENTRIC DICKHEAD!!! And we do not belong in their habitat
anymore than they belong in ours. We have no business teaching the complacency
that these hubris ridden imbeciles spew forth with the magnanimity of the
benign despot. Oh good, the white tiger didn't eat me today, so it's not gonna
eat me ever....OOPS!! In the middle of a show, MAWL!!!
God, I miss the days of a Marlon Perkins and a Jim Fowler, who understood the
glory of simple observation. To watch and learn, not manipulate and molest into
a shot. Yeah, maybe it's not sexy, but it's real...it's how it is. Wild Kingdom
taught me more than Steve Irwin will ever hope to know!
There, m' lady! Just for you. I shall put my soap box away for the day. I've
gotta go rewrite a manuscript...and don't be surprised if you get an email from
me for your services offered.
No, I take that back...one more comment to make--
>As to the wife, is there a shortage of men down there? Or is she
>just some dense idiot who teamed up with another dense idiot?
Love doth make fools of us all. Maybe she's in love with him. Maybe she is
another "dense idiot." Maybe she's showing loyalty by supporting Dumbass in
public. Maybe she gave him a good case of "what for" off camera.
And maybe donkeys will fly out of my butt!
Ok, now I really am done....of to rewrite.
The Goddess in Tennis Shoes
<sigh> Somehow, I had that impression. She has no "accent." Great, the dense
idiot came from our gene pool...the VERY shallow end.
>Believe me the authorities are Taking an Interest, even in Queensland, which
>is a little backward.
But they aren't charging him. Someone decide to give him the benefit of the
doubt? Did he even get his hand slapped?
The Goddess in Tennis Shoes
LOL, <bowing> m' lady, I stand corrected. Thou has hit it aright. After that
stupid press conference, I'm in perfect agreement....HE IS!
Diamondsnstones
In the croc manure. lOL
Can Altinbay
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> >Now Jesse, once again, I would like for you to tell us what you really
think
> >about this piece of s--t.
>
> LOL, aye, m' lady.
>
> Is there more to add? Hmm...you mean like the walking the child to the
water's
> edge and sticking his little feet in the water? Supposedly that croc had
gone
> back in the pool. And those beasties are wicked fast. Look, LUNCH!!!
Bob
> becomes the main course of "on the hoof" and a certain Croc Hunter is left
> without a child. What a freaking moron. "Croc Savvy?" Since when do I
have to
> be plunged in the water with a beast to be croc savvy? I know quite a bit
about
> sharks...I've never dived with one. What a load of codswallop!
>
Maybe he is going to teach his son to respect a stove by having him put his
hand on it. That'll make him "stove savvy", definitely.
capn...@hotmail.com
Unhave already! I was just wondering is it etched in stone that
another republican cannot run for president or are they a bit sure and
gambling on another term of Bush? Is there another Rep in the race?
Pick a democrat any democrat! Please!
We are now in that stage of rep where everybody is just feed up and
determined so they raise every price but a wage. The portion
Einstein's just came out with a coca cola 20 pack at the ripe price a
24 pack was. Unemployment claims are down because the coverage has run
out for so many that it actually looks good. All the grocery stores
are going up on prices and handing us the register and making us use
cards to spy on us.
I think George Burns would have been a cool Dad. But, I bet he would
have smoked his cigar while holding his kid.
Ted
The Goddess in Tennis Shoes
>In the croc manure. lOL
LOL, and with my luck, up to my neck in the shite.
The Goddess in Tennis Shoes
>hand on it. That'll make him "stove savvy", definitely.
and fire savvy, if it's a wood or coal burning stove.
artemis67
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We Queenslanders are NOT backward!!!
<smack!>(friendly smiting)
lies,lies,all lies!!!!! ;-)
It's a dang shame we got this reputation because for many years we had a
mad Danish peanut farmer for premier who was a
conservative,dictatorial,uncultured dolt,who ran the place like a police
state.Thank Allah,he and his crony lot have been gone for yonks.We're
trying to live it down(And I reckon * almost *succeeding!)
Hey,and as so many American films are now made in Qld,we must be bright
enough to hold a camera the right way up,at least.(And don't forget Geoffrey
Rush is a Qlder,who still does a lot of theatre here.)
And hey, if you live here,you don't have to pay near to half a million
dollars for a small colonial house the size of a living room rug,as in
Sydney.....
Viva The Sunshine State!!!!!!!(To paraphrase the tourist phrase"Beautiful
one day,off it's rocker the next.")
cheery bye
Lisette
(a proud born & bred Banana Bender*)
:o)
*Queenslander
artemis67
farmer ,was on the Aust Today Show this morn.
While he condemns his actions,he states that a crocodile on land is far too
heavy to move and attack quickly(like a lion) so the kid was in no danger.He
also states Steve had 12 minders/assistants in the enclosure at the same
time.
While I think this makes clearer why Steve thought it would be ok to do,I
just think he forgets life is full of accidents you can't control.To say he
would slip "only if an earthquake happened" is shear hubris.What if there
had been a wet patch of grass,and he skidded or dropped Bob? What if the
croc had knocked him with his tail,while he was on the ground??Too many
variables. in my mind to warrant taking such a risk.
And while I think for the most part he is a good dad,and can see Terri loves
him,supporting him to do this isn't her best moment as a mum either.
cheers
lisette
Can Altinbay
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> Unhave already! I was just wondering is it etched in stone that
> another republican cannot run for president or are they a bit sure and
> gambling on another term of Bush? Is there another Rep in the race?
One of the cable channels perportedly did a Republican candidates' debate
today. I said, "huh?" and was going to check it out, but I missed it
totally.
On the other hand, Leiberman is a Republican, and is running.
SidraSol
What happens when when a mother strolls her child across the street to her car?
What happens when children turn on the tv?
What happens when children are fed synthetic food?
What happens when children are allowed to eat purple candy?
What happens to their future lives when children are allowed to be
disrespectful brats?
What happens when a child is so "protected" that he/she can't function normally
in the Real world?
What happens when children eat three donuts for breakfast?
What happens to the future of mankind when children are taught it's ok to talk
the way you have been here?
What happens when children turn on their parents?
(And you wonder why)
Give me a break.
The Irwin family loves their children as much as most people love their own,
and has given them a good life some will never have the chance to experience.
Steve Irwin has great skill with human behavior and animal behavior, and more
experience than any of you in his type of work. His safety record speaks for
itself.
Steve and Terry have worked very closely with animals around the world for
years, and I as many, would not for one moment question their intent. If
there was risk, Steve would have known it before any of you here.
The Press has been relentless in their attack out of sheer boredom and I think
so many of those followers out there are such hypocrites.
Sincerely,
Sid
Hugh Gahs
Well whatever you believe in, he's history now!
artemis67
"Hugh Gahs" <ferny...@operamail.com> wrote in message
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Not necessarily.Australia Zoo was still doing roaring business today,and a
lot of people who saw the show in the flesh are coming forward to defend
him.I think Steve will overcome this less than shining moment & go on
business as usual when the media dies down.
Little devil on your shoulder
those following the reports are getting ridiculous.
What he did WAS stupid. Accidents DO happen and he should have known
it. No excuses and he should be reprimanded and warned by the
authorities that it will not happen again. But the posts here are
downright absurd. Get out from behind your keyboards and take a look
out the window today. Not all is right with the world and Steve Irwin
is not the problem.
And to the person who yearns for the Marlin Perkins version of nature,
are you aware that most of the shots on Animal Kingdom were STAGED?
Wonderful shows from my childhood, but no more realistic than any
other nature show on TV today.
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Mary
> What he did WAS stupid. Accidents DO happen and he should have known
> it. No excuses and he should be reprimanded and warned by the
> authorities that it will not happen again.
Agreed. The other concern I had was how he was holding that one month
old baby. Most one month old babies still need some support for their
necks and he was holding that baby like it was a rag doll and bouncing
it around. Poor kid looked like a bobblehead toy.
Mary
Hugh Gahs
Maybe, but the Americans are far less forgiving than Aussies. He may
have a smaller career in Australia, but i think he's finished in the
US which is his main market.
Who cares anyway. He shouldn't be nice to that little arse-licking
turd howard.
capn...@hotmail.com
Nope I was here the whole time she just didn't know it. I would have
radiated the poor kid by dangling him in front of a computer screen.
Or accidentally changed his diapy on the scanner and gotten locked up
for Kiddy porn. I could just say the little devil on my shoulder told
me too.
Ted
The Goddess in Tennis Shoes
no one ever doubted that they Irwins love their kids. I've no doubt they do.
>and has given them a good life some will never have the chance to experience.
>
and if that's your idea of a good life? I'll pass and keep mine.
>Steve Irwin has great skill with human behavior and animal behavior,
eh? I don't think so. what he has is supreme arrogance in thinking he's ever
100% in control. no one can be that damn stupid.
> His safety record speaks for
>itself.
yeah, he gets bitten A LOT. more times than you see. even he can admit that
much.
>Steve and Terry have worked very closely with animals around the world for
>years, and I as many, would not for one moment question their intent.
I have questioned, I still question, and until his intrusive, obnoxious method
cease, I will continue to question. And call that man a menace to the wild
kingdom.
>If
>there was risk, Steve would have known it before any of you here.
excuse me, but I doubt that severely. surely he's not that egotistical. because
he wouldn't have. I'm from Florida...trust me, they're fast! they're fast and
unpredictable. and he should know that!
>The Press has been relentless in their attack out of sheer boredom
The press only picked up on this after Animal Planet and local tv stations were
besieged by outraged phone calls. Not by hypocritical fans by but disturbed
parents who saw a colossal mistake made, one that could have cost that child
his life. And only a blind fool would miss this one.
I stand by my original assessment...he's an arrogant, egocentric, egotistic
jackass who's living on luck. And it's about to run dry.
The Goddess in Tennis Shoes
that would be me.
>are you aware that most of the shots on Animal Kingdom were STAGED?
yes, I knew that. but no more so than a duck blind and blowing a mating call. I
know how those shows were filmed. I also know that they were still far less
intrusive than Steve Irwin.
The Goddess in Tennis Shoes
>heavy to move and attack quickly
supposedly the croc had gone back in the water...that's what was reported.
The Goddess in Tennis Shoes
>business as usual when the media dies down.
God, I hope not.
The Goddess in Tennis Shoes
un, Joe Lieberman is a Democrat, Can. he was Al Gore's running mate.
Can Altinbay
> >On the other hand, Leiberman is a Republican, and is running.
>
> un, Joe Lieberman is a Democrat, Can. he was Al Gore's running mate.
>
>
> peace,
>
> jesse
He is inexplicably a member of the Democratic party. He is still a
Republican.
By their deeds...
Can Altinbay
> >The Irwin family loves their children as much as most people love their
own,
>
> no one ever doubted that they Irwins love their kids. I've no doubt they
do.
>
> >and has given them a good life some will never have the chance to
experience.
> >
>
> and if that's your idea of a good life? I'll pass and keep mine.
>
> >Steve Irwin has great skill with human behavior and animal behavior,
>
> eh? I don't think so. what he has is supreme arrogance in thinking he's
ever
> 100% in control. no one can be that damn stupid.
>
> > His safety record speaks for
> >itself.
>
> yeah, he gets bitten A LOT. more times than you see. even he can admit
that
> much.
>
Hey. Jesse, di you ever see the Liberty Meadows cartoon where Steve is
handling a very poinonous snake (kids, don't try this at home, or you'll
become croc savvy)? He gets bitten (oh, oh) and dies.
artemis67
I'm no fan of John Howard(I'd like to send HIM to a detention camp & stuff
a few WMD down his trousers & see how he likes it) but I don't think Steve
has it in him to tell Johnny to f*** off .He's too affable.
As for the Yanks not forgiving those who err badly & besmirching their
reputation, two words:
Hugh Grant.
artemis67
"The Goddess in Tennis Shoes" <jessew...@aol.comnovels> wrote in message
Whatever else Steve has totalled his chances for Australian of the
Year(winner is announced each year on
Australia Day, Jan 26)-but when you look at some of the other nominees who
really have done something for their fellow Aussies eg Margaret O Neill
(work in indigenous communities),David Marsh(Doctor at work during Bali
bombings) that's not such a bad thing.
This award has been criticized in some past years for being given to
entertainers,rather than the real heroes,so maybe this year with Steve out
of the picture it will go to someone who really deserves it.
List of some of the nominees,if anyone's interested.
http://www.australianoftheyear.gov.au/awards06.asp
cheers
Lisette
otter
arte...@nospam.com wrote on 1/6/04 2:33 AM:
>
> "The Goddess in Tennis Shoes" <jessew...@aol.comnovels> wrote in message
> news:20040105193523...@mb-m04.aol.com...
>>> While he condemns his actions,he states that a crocodile on land is far
> too
>>> heavy to move and attack quickly
>>
Sorry to be leaping into this thread without having read any of the posts
but the above statement is patently untrue. A croc or alligator can run
very fast on land and that's why they say if you encounter one, you should
run away zig-zagging.
Sorta like hippos. You wouldn't think anything that huge could move but
they are the most dangerous animal in Africa because they can outrun a man.
Gloria, former resident of Florida who had gators in the backyard pond.
Hugh Gahs
You have a point, but I think just think that this is different.
People will not be able to look at Steve Irwin and think 'where's the
bub?'. I don't wish him any ill-will at all, he seems to be a fairly
decent bloke, but just politically naiive.
The Goddess in Tennis Shoes
>handling a very poinonous snake (kids, don't try this at home, or you'll
>become croc savvy)? He gets bitten (oh, oh) and dies.
yes! I laughed myself sillier. ok, something else I can see--a self-deprecating
sense of humor.
but I was rooting for the snake! ;-)
The Goddess in Tennis Shoes
>entertainers,rather than the real heroes,
I'm sure there are some entertainers out there that further the values of
Aussie society and beliefs...but pleeeeeeeeease, not him.
I saw that list...it's very impressive. I'm gonna watch this to see who gets
the award. Someone who does deserve it for the humanitarian contributions.
The Goddess in Tennis Shoes
that's what I thought. but I couldn't find anything to support. I thought they
were supposed to be wicked fast on land and even faster in the water.
uh...to be honest, I don't want firsthand knowledge on that one, ok? let's send
Steve in...he can find out for us.
The Goddess in Tennis Shoes
>Republican.
>By their deeds..
LOL...shhh!!! you're not supposed to know that.
The Goddess in Tennis Shoes
>reputation, two words:
>Hugh Grant.
oooooooooh, but there are two more words for the other direction: George
Michael...or better yet, Michael Jackson....
O. J. Simpson
Can Altinbay
> >He is inexplicably a member of the Democratic party. He is still a
> >Republican.
> >By their deeds..
>
> LOL...shhh!!! you're not supposed to know that.
>
>
> peace,
>
> jesse
Yeah, I know that, but as you've seen from past posts, I have a bad habit of
that and similar activities.
Can Altinbay
> >Hey. Jesse, di you ever see the Liberty Meadows cartoon where Steve is
> >handling a very poinonous snake (kids, don't try this at home, or you'll
> >become croc savvy)? He gets bitten (oh, oh) and dies.
>
> yes! I laughed myself sillier. ok, something else I can see--a
self-deprecating
> sense of humor.
>
> but I was rooting for the snake! ;-)
>
>
> peace,
>
> jesse
Good. Then you came out the winner.
Bad Can - thought it was extremely funny. Somehow, I think Steve would have
loved it, too.
artemis67
A few years ago,a lady named Beryl Wruck was wading in shallow waters in
N.Qld.(Or Northern Territory,I forget which)
She was taken in seconds by a croc,which was later killed by hunters,and her
remains retrieved from the dead croc's stomach.
Pics were taken & put on transperancies of the retrieved cadaver(why I'm not
sure).My sister worked at the University of Queensland then & had to
classify these for the science dept.She said the pics were just awful,&
that she'd prefer ANY death to a croc attack.What surprised her was how the
bones of the victims were reduced to little more than sawdust by the croc's
powerful jaws.She still gets the shudders just recalling what she saw on
these slides more than a decade ago.
Croc attacks do tend to becone part of popular Aust folklore(along with
shark attack stories)I could probably rattle off half a dozen of each.-maybe
some of the more interesting,rather than gory onr=es next
post)Conclusion:stay away from both creatures.
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the critters. One early morning in the Everglades we were in my volkswagon
when in the early morning light I saw what I thought was a log in the middle of
the road. As we neared it it suddenly picked itself up on its legs and started
after the car and kept up with us for some little time. On foot there would
have been no way to outrun that croc`. It was a very large reptile too and I
would like that farmer to have run a foot race with the sucker.
>> Thought you guys might like to know a friend of Steve's,who is a croc
>farmer ,was on the Aust Today Show this morn.
>While he condemns his actions,he states that a crocodile on land is far too
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>
>God, I hope not.
>
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absolutely correct. They are fast and unpredictable. If fed by man they lose
their fear and become even more deadly. Only a firing squad in that pen could
have stopped that croc and then they keep moving for some time.
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do you know in what areas many of us work. In fact you probably do not know
anything about the Irwin family and you seem unaware even that George Burns is
dead and does not hold his or anyone elses living grandchild. Your list is
ludicrous. Of course there are risks in just living but why ask for one
deliberately with a relatively newborn child. I have known a number of Aussies
and their language is nothing to write home about. But then you seem to have
lived a sheltered life.
It is too bad you don't know the answers to the questions that you pose.
>
>Yes, what happens when George Burns holds his cigar and his grandchild?
>
>What happens when when a mother strolls her child across the street to her
>car?
>
>What happens when children turn on the tv?
>
>What happens when children are fed synthetic food?
>
>What happens when children are allowed to eat purple candy?
>
>What happens to their future lives when children are allowed to be
>disrespectful brats?
>
>What happens when a child is so "protected" that he/she can't function
>normally
>in the Real world?
>
>What happens when children eat three donuts for breakfast?
>
>What happens to the future of mankind when children are taught it's ok to
>talk
>the way you have been here?
>
>What happens when children turn on their parents?
>(And you wonder why)
>
>Give me a break.
>The Irwin family loves their children as much as most people love their own,
>and has given them a good life some will never have the chance to experience.
>
>Steve Irwin has great skill with human behavior and animal behavior, and more
>experience than any of you in his type of work. His safety record speaks
>for
>itself.
>Steve and Terry have worked very closely with animals around the world for
>years, and I as many, would not for one moment question their intent. If
>there was risk, Steve would have known it before any of you here.
>
>The Press has been relentless in their attack out of sheer boredom and I
>think
>so many of those followers out there are such hypocrites.
>Sincerely,
>Sid
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ahead of you. This is a slow day.
artemis67
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to have a little fantasy when watching Steve's tv shows that when you see
him out in the desert with a snake or other creature doing his "Crikey 'Av a
look at this !"routine, Terri yells "Cut!" & he immediately straightens
up,falls out of character,and says in a very posh English Sir Laurence
Oliver-type accent,"Good lord! What terrible dialiogue!This really is a
buffoonish role I'm playing.I'm off to ring my agent and have my tea and
scones,and check my investment portfolio.God,why did I ever leave the Old
Vic to do this?"
;-)
artemis67
I have no way of knowing if Steve's friend was right.I tend to think not,as
there are too many stories of people wading in water one minute& taken by a
croc the next-without so much as time to make a sound .But if Steve believes
this to be true,it may explain why he thought it safe to do the baby stunt..
I still think it was dumb to do though.Crocs are opportunistic &
unpredictable buggars,and anything could have happened so easily.
People thought it was safe to feed dingoes-and it took the death of Azaria
Chamberlain to prove otherwise. Let's hope Bobby doesn't end up a croc o'er
d'oerve to prove a similar point.
cheers
lisette
>
Can Altinbay
Yeah, you can't tell a book by its cover. :-)
Have you seen Hollywood Shuffle? A batch of black actors are doing a scene
for an exploitation film. When the director yells cut, they go back to
their natural accents - fully upper class English, as you point out above.
Sorry - your post reminded me.
The Goddess in Tennis Shoes
LOL, makes both of us bad, then!
>Somehow, I think Steve would have
>loved it, too.
Bet he does.
The Goddess in Tennis Shoes
And very well, too. I can't make up my mind as to whether I want to feed him a
constant supply of downers or just get in his face and say, "Steve, SHUT
OFF!!!"
Hmmm....a dilemma.
The Goddess in Tennis Shoes
um...huh? ;-)
<giggle> 'cause I'm a blonde, yeah yeah yeah!!! 'cause I'm a blonde, yeah yeah
yeah!!!
B..L...O...Oh, never mind, 'cause I'm a blonde, yeah yeah yeaaaaah!!!
Diamondsnstones
difficult to master?
The Goddess in Tennis Shoes
>difficult to master?
>
my friend, Louvena, calls that artificial intelligence. it's back to the blond.
for now...;-)
R calypso
group/neg. is so quick to jump in and to judge and to educate this neg. about
the various work and circumstances of Steve and this 'incident'.
As has been mentioned. Steve is not intrusive to nature or to animals.When he
has to intervene it is due usually to man kinds development and the like or to
save to animal in some way.
See this from his site at:
http://www.crocodilehunter.com/
"Myself, Terri, Wes and our team of hard-core conservationists,
environmentalists, & naturalists at the Australia Zoo are breaking exciting new
territory in wildlife & wilderness CONSERVATION.
Together we’re breaking the traditional conservation moulds, making a quantum
leap into new levels of conservation techniques and strategies, setting new
benchmarks for the protection of the world’s environment and humanity.
We’re optimistic that we can all help to slow habitat destruction, curb
wildlife atrocities, beat the new age wildlife perpetuates, maintain a viable
quantity of trees and unpolluted oceans so us humans and the animals we share
our earth with can continue to breathe oxygen and drink water. We don’t want
to live in a cocoon filled with artificially manufactured, essential elements!
Our hearts beat from Australia Zoo <../../australia_zoo/welcome/index.html> -
here is our conservation heart, the epicenter, the control room. From our base
on Queensland’s Sunshine Coast, we create, facilitate and monitor. It’s
where we live, work from, return to and constantly crave to be.
Life’s a journey, lets enjoy it!
Steve Irwin"
This is also from the site-
"Not only are Steve and Terri Irwin the leaders in animal rescue and
conservation, but they also actively support many worldwide humanitarian
organizations. Every week Steve and Terri receive hundreds of requests to
support these organizations, and they are more than happy to lend a helping
hand.
Community Service and Humanitarian Aid
Australia
International
Other Organisations
Conservation and Community Projects Funded by Australia Zoo
Local Community Fundraisers
Overseas Fundraisers
Major Fundraisers "
To me,he sounds a lot like John Denver in his work for Mother Earth,Human
Kind,the animals. Yes,I am sure he has made some mistakes,not un-like John
Denver,my-self or us all. I just do not think this was one. He stated on the
"Today" show in America a few days ago,that it is not un-like a person from the
city teaching his child to be careful and the dangers of city life. As in
crossing the street etc. In his family back yard ,it has its own dangers that
his family must be aware of. He did this with A LOT of back up,dozens of people
standing back in case of a 'slip' or a mishap. Un-like the back up you would
have teaching a child in Americas streets and its dangers. He further stated
that the camera angle that was shown accross the world was not a true
representation of what really happened. As with cam-corders,as we all know who
have one, the image can look much closer then it really was.
I have and I will contiune to support Steves work. This is a 'other side' of
this matter and Steve I hope you all will consider.
"Peace"
Randy...Rcalypso
http://www.bteJD.ORG
http://www.Calypso-WebRings.com
My Homepage,updated:
http://randycalypso.homestead.com/
rcalypsojohndenver.html
K. Baird
>To me,he sounds a lot like John Denver in his work for Mother Earth,Human
>Kind,the animals.
Steve Irwin has repeatedly aped John Denver:
* Made a career out of hyping his "concern" for wildlife and the
environment, while exploiting both for commercial gain.
* Sports a Litte Dutch Boy haircut.
* Sings and plays guitar (albeit poorly).
* Goes for joyrides in fighter jets.
* Uses his kids as show-biz props.
Next thing we know, Irwin will start drinking heavily and take a power
saw to the furniture.
KB
singingsky3
You must be the old-timer here now, right?
LindaB
Asrael
it was played behind a singer at a (very good) tribute evening I attended
last year and in it I felt John looked a lot like Steve.
I am NOT stirring!!!! Promise. Seriously what do you think? Freaked me out
really as I don't like Steve at all. he annoys the crap out of me.
He's an extremely wealthy guy these days and he buys land here in Oz to turn
in to Wildlife refuges. I appreciate that but I don't like him.
Fiona
PNF43
>I am NOT stirring!!!! Promise. Seriously what do you think?
Until my students get to recognize John, they routinely ask me if that is the
crocodile hunter! No kidding.
Peggy
"And reach for the heavens and hope for the future,
and all that we can be not just what we are." ~ John Denver
DreamlandXXpress
but to a point....
now he does love his family and life itself.
and, I think he knew what he was doing, he would not do a thing to hurt his
kids or wife.
BUT>>> he should of thought about how it would of looked to the world be fore
he he did it on camera. that was his BIG STUPID MISTAKE.
patty
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keep-- the kids watching the tv --to learn about nature.
would you want to watch the show if he just moved from one shot to the next
with no energy and a flat voice?
Denny -
You gotta eat, I gotta eat and crocks gotta eat. So if steve had
dropped the kid, the crock would have had something tender for once. Big
deal. Probably tired of zoo food anyway.
Denny
p.s. And if John Denver had checked his gas tanks he would still be with
us instead of being food for worms.
DreamlandXXpress
>>difficult to master?
>>
>
>my friend, Louvena, calls that artificial intelligence. it's back to the
>blond.
hey ..I have true red hair { fire red} ..i resent that!!!! lol
The Goddess in Tennis Shoes
>with no energy and a flat voice?
I would prefer he not be in it at all. I think I'll go back to watching
Discovery and Learning Channels. They're much better, more real, and less
intrusive.
R calypso
>intrusive.
>peace,
>jesse
Ok Jesse,you are saying again that Steve and his work are intrusive again,(am I
wrong?)
No more ,much less then man-kinds intrusive actions against nature and Mother
Earth. A man who is trying to correct this where and as he can. Much as John
Denver did with his songs and work in his life. Can you not admit you jumped
the gun on this one? I have always admited when I have been wrong,can you not?
Give credit where credit is due? This is not to say,this was not a good move as
how it 'looked" via the media for Steve.
"Peace"
Randy...Rcalypso
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postal
Even if Steve didn't think he was putting the baby at risk, there is
ALWAYS an element of risk when one is dealing with a wild animal. Children
should NEVER be exposed the way Steve did his son. All it takes is one
milisecond and that baby could have been history, no matter HOW many people
were around. Parents have been charged with chilld abuse for much less.
Kids can get hurt or killed so quickly. It only takes a second. Even
those most attentive parent turning away for only a second has had to suffer
the loss of a child because something happened that wasn't supposed to.
What Steve did was totally stupid as far as his son was concerned, as that
baby had no chance in hell if something had happened.
Dorothy
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R calypso
Read the threads I have wrote here. Do not make this comment if you do not do
this.
He had ,as always the back-up he needed for this situation. You, nor Jesse, nor
anyone has addressed this point ,nor his work for human-kind or Mother Earth.
Check your FACTS,then comment.
Randy...Rcalypso
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postal
I read your thread. I don't care HOW much backup Steve had, that baby was
put in a dangerous situation. You can have 10 people standing around a baby
and something can happen. I speak from a parent's perspective, as I've seen
this happen.
Just his putting that baby in the slightest bit of danger is enough to turn
people off, despite all the good he's done. I do think that he now regrets
his stupidity, but none-the-less, it happened.
Yes, Steve may have done some good, but let's face it, he's also an
entertainer. Otherwise, he would not be putting on these shows he does.
If he were really interested in those animals, he wouldn't constantly be
sitting doing what he's doing to catch the public eye.
Steve is very careful, yet how many times has he and his wife been bitten?
Therefore, that baby could have been seriously injured or killed and it was
all done as a publicity stunt. Sorry, but in my book, child endangerment
turns a LOT of people off.
Dorothy
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postal
than I see Steve doing. NOT only that, they do it FOR the animals and NOT
for the pubicity. Steve's is all for publicity and entertainment purposes.news:20040119114716...@mb-m04.aol.com...
capn...@hotmail.com
> I can think of people that do a LOT more for the animals and their habits
> than I see Steve doing. NOT only that, they do it FOR the animals and NOT
> for the pubicity. Steve's is all for publicity and entertainment purposes.
> Dorothy
Most who do well for animals are often unrecognized and stay
behind the scenes. But once in a while when someone sees the good
being done the offer the publicity. It's sometimes necessary to show
the animals to get the money and recognition that they need to keep
the public interest in taking care of them. A Zoo does that and many
don't like the zoos but needless to say they are a guarantee sometimes
for the animals survival. They are also necessary for the study of
medicine to treat them in captivity and the wild.
A good example of both exploitation balanced with protection and
recovery is Dollywood in Tennessee. They have made great strides to
give the American Bald eagle a comeback. They also have a great place
for the refuge of some mistreated zoo elephants.
When your deciding whether something is hurting or helping you
have to look at the big picture. If it's always on the silver screen
then chances are it's just a show. He was performing in public and
publicity was what he wanted when he did this, and that's what he got.
Ted
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are like lightening. They run upward of 50 miles an hour on land for short
distances and are even quicker in the water. No amount of people watching or
carrying loaded guns could have saved that child if that animal had decided to
strike. I would appreciate it if you would do your reading before you pass
judgment on what someone else has to say.
Furthermore how it looked is not ever going to be as important as how dangerous
it was.
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self agrandizement. (sp) I saw the interview where he explained (using that
term loosely) his actions and said that while he might have done things
somewhat differently he would be a bad, underline that one, parent if he didn't
teach his son about crocs. Wonder what a four month old child learned from
this experiment?
The Goddess in Tennis Shoes
>this experiment?
what the inside of a croc looks like? how sharp the teeth are? that he'd be
better off as an orphan?
Diamondsnstones
he'd of been better off if the croc had grabbed his dad and dragged him to his
death in the water, chomping him up and using him for chum.
The Goddess in Tennis Shoes
>he'd of been better off if the croc had grabbed his dad and dragged him to
>his
>death in the water, chomping him up and using him for chum.
Steve would be inside telling the gizzards how he's in control, too. what an
imbecile.