Why did John get rid of his glasses?
Absolutely Cynthia Marie
glasses? I think they were cute. Not that he looked bad
without them, but was there any particular reason why he got
contact lenses all of a sudden? Did his divorce from Annie have
anything to do with it?
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stopped wearing them. First off, you get tired of wearing them all the time.
I wear glasses and sometimes I cannot wait to get home and take them off.
I imagine they are a real pain when under hot lights while doing a show. And
for my last reason, John turned 40. We men just want to change everything
about our lives when we get 40. I think this is called "middle age crazy"!
: Young JD definitely grows on you. Why did he stop wearing
: glasses? I think they were cute. Not that he looked bad
: without them, but was there any particular reason why he got
: contact lenses all of a sudden? Did his divorce from Annie have
: anything to do with it?
: Absolutely Cynthia Marie
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Regards,
Stan Milam.
--
/--------------------------This Old Guitar----------------------------\
| |
| This old guitar taught me to sing a love song, |
| It showed me how to laugh and how to cry. |
| It introduced me to some friends of mine, |
| And brightened up some days, |
| And it helped me make it through some lonely nights. |
| Oh, what a friend to have on a cold and lonely night. |
| |
\----------------------------John Denver------------------------------/
JD-UK -Friend Kim Marie
I think JD changed from glasses to contacts for the same reason alot of
people and I did, to help our self esteem,they were new, available, and
worth wearing. Although there is nothing wrong with wearing glasses.
I only wear my contacts for special occasions, otherwise I do wear my
glasses, in fact I have 2 pair!
John looked cute/handsome either way! With or without his glasses, he
even looked good with those half glasses, I believe they are called
granny glasses.
In Loving Memories Of John Denver-
Kim Marie
JOHN DENVER IN MY HEART
FOREVER!!
John Denver ~ singer/poet/actor/humanatarian/environmentalist ~
PEACE!
Theresa
vision better than glasses do. I know that when I switched over from glasses to
contacts, my vision improved and within a year I was getting contacts and
glasses that weren't as strong as in years past. I'm still blind as a bat <g>
but not quite as blind as I used to be :) I think it's because the correcting
lens itself sets on the eye instead of a away from the eye as with glasses. The
eye doesn't have to adjust for the distance as it does with glasses. JMHO of
course :)
Peace,
Theresa
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Theresa
Pamela Beasley
>
> Did his divorce have anything to do with it!? Geeez! I dont think so!
> I think JD changed from glasses to contacts for the same reason alot of
> people and I did, to help our self esteem,they were new, available, and
> worth wearing. Although there is nothing wrong with wearing glasses.
> I only wear my contacts for special occasions, otherwise I do wear my
> glasses, in fact I have 2 pair!
> John looked cute/handsome either way! With or without his glasses, he
> even looked good with those half glasses, I believe they are called
> granny glasses.
>
> In Loving Memories Of John Denver-
> Kim Marie
>
He wore the contacts on stage and often went back to the glasses after
the show.
Pam
Cheri057
>From: mi...@metronet.com (Stan Milam)
>Date: Tue, May 23, 2000 09:26 EDT
>Yes, I prefer the young John with glasses. I will hazzard a guess why he
>stopped wearing them. First off, you get tired of wearing them all the time.
>I wear glasses and sometimes I cannot wait to get home and take them off.
ROFL!
Now there ya go....I always was fortuante enough to have good vision..until
about the last two years or so.
I now have to wear glasses for READING...and I just hate it......so JD "lost"
his glasses as he got older, and I gained mine. :)
I'm forever forgetting to take them with me when shopping or eating out,
hence I suffer from long arm syndrome. Or maybe vanity. :)
One of my all time favorite stress busters is a hot bubblebath, low lights,
and good reading material. Last time I tried that, maybe a year or so ago,
the damn glasses fogged up, I couldn't read, so I broke out into "the Old grey
Mare.. Just ain't what she used to beeee"......
O well..middle age crazies? Yep.
Cheri:)
aerie
Absolutely Cynthia Marie wrote in message
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>Young JD definitely grows on you. Why did he stop wearing
>glasses? I think they were cute. Not that he looked bad
>without them, but was there any particular reason why he got
>anything to do with it?
The first time that I ever saw John in contacts was 1982. He felt that he
was hiding behind his glasses and getting rid of them was part of the
changes he saw occurring in his life, including his divorce from Annie.
Ann
JeanneDavis2
remember when. His answer was (as I recall) was to laughingly say something to
the effect of I'm 40 years old and I can wear contacts if I want. It was a
cute response but seemed to say I do have some say so about my life.
Absolutely Cynthia Marie
Well gee wiz, nobody ever said he didn't. The question was
simply WHY wear contacts all of a sudden. If he disliked
glasses so much, why did he ever wear them on stage and in
photos at all? What I suspect is that he was trying to update
his image. The 70s were over, and this was the new JD for the
80s! LOL
Absolutely Cynthia Marie
http://mypage.goplay.com/BobbyDylan
P.S. John was the youngest 40 year old man I had ever seen.
Barbara Stevens
> I'm forever forgetting to take them with me when shopping or eating out,
> hence I suffer from long arm syndrome. Or maybe vanity. :)
>
> One of my all time favorite stress busters is a hot bubblebath, low
lights,
> and good reading material. Last time I tried that, maybe a year or so
ago,
> the damn glasses fogged up, I couldn't read, so I broke out into "the Old
grey
> Mare.. Just ain't what she used to beeee"......
>
> O well..middle age crazies? Yep.
>
> Cheri:)
Cheri, I know what you mean about never having your glasses where you need
them and having to use the "long arm" technique. Think about mono-vision
contacts. Since my distance vision is perfect, I wear a reading contact in
one eye. After a few weeks, your brain takes over and you automatically see
distance from one eye and close up from the other. Don't even have to think
about it. As a nurse, it is a blessing on the days I work, because
otherwise, I would never have the glasses at hand when I needed them. Could
be dangerous for my patients! when I am home, I don't bother with a contact
usually.
Barb
Barbara Stevens
Theresa <jtmj...@netins.net> wrote in message
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> Another reason, other than appearances <g> Is that contacts help to
correct your
> vision better than glasses do.
I agree with that comment. About 35 years ago, a friend of my parents, in
his 60's then, decided to get contacts for better vision. That was a LONG
time ago and the care and upkeep of them then was tremendous. he was
meticulous in the care of them. WHY? Because he was a pilot and with the
contacts, he could fly better and more comfortably. He did courier type
flying--transporting packages etc from one place to another for businesses.
Without the contacts, back then, he had trouble getting jobs. There was a
stigma against pilots with glasses. Most of all, he could see the dials and
"gadgets" that he needed to see to fly with much more clarity. Maybe that
also influenced John!!
Barb
Debelan
>lights,
>> and good reading material.
Hey, now. Are we allowed to mention bubble baths with Hollie still absent??
Sure do miss that little elf.
Your friend, Dee
Absolutely Cynthia Marie
a long time earlier, but was told "No, you're John Denver and
John Denver wears glasses". Like people wouldn't know who he was
without them? Perhaps being divorced from Annie gave him a
feeling of liberation, hence the comment the he was 40 years old
(finally a grown man) and could do whatever he wanted.
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ThisOldGuitar
>a long time earlier, but was told "No, you're John Denver and
>John Denver wears glasses". Like people wouldn't know who he was
>without them?
Interesting point. Is there a correlation between when John "lost" his glasses
and when he broke with Jerry Weintraub, who most likely could have and would
have told him that?
Dave
ASLTsmile
seems anything that would make it easier he'd be all for.
Peace,
Tricia
sparrow songbird
along with everything everyone's said. My question is- I've seen
pictures of him with reading glasses on, but none post-contacts with
glasses. Most everyone I know who wears contacts goes back and forth
between them to some extent. Anyone have a picture posted somewhere
older John w/o contacts?
Colleen H-P
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Pamela Beasley
>
> Having worn glasses for 30+ years and tried contacts twice, I'll go
> along with everything everyone's said. My question is- I've seen
> pictures of him with reading glasses on, but none post-contacts with
> glasses. Most everyone I know who wears contacts goes back and forth
> between them to some extent. Anyone have a picture posted somewhere
> older John w/o contacts?
>
> Colleen H-P
As I mentioned in an earlier post, John often changed to the glasses
after a concert.
Pam
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Flyushome
kept them. One was the review of the con-
cert at Saratoga Springs, NY, 8/5/97. The critic said he gave up his glasses
just a-
bout the time his career took a dive--as if there was a connection. The other
article I found on the electric library. It indicated that John had a "hard
look" without the glasses. I disagree vehemently with that remark!
Some people look better with glasses (me, for example), but John wasn't one of
them.
Pat
ASLTsmile
>article I found on the electric library. It indicated that John had a "hard
>look" without the glasses. I disagree vehemently with that remark!
So do I, Pat. He looked more mature, older perhaps, but certainly not "hard."
sheesh
Peace,
Tricia
Absolutely Cynthia Marie
That's strange, don't people usually look older *with* glasses?
I don't think John looked older because he wasn't wearing
glasses, I think he looked older because he was, well, older.
It's not like if he did put on his old granny glasses then he
would suddenly look 20 years younger, which was what the critics
seemed to imply.
Absolutely Cynthia Marie
flyu...@aol.com (Flyushome) wrote:
>Two weird articles I read pertaining to John's glasses
indicated he should have
>kept them. One was the review of the con-
>cert at Saratoga Springs, NY, 8/5/97. The critic said he gave
up his glasses
>just a-
>bout the time his career took a dive--as if there was a
>article I found on the electric library. It indicated that
John had a "hard
>look" without the glasses. I disagree vehemently with that
remark!
>
John wasn't one of
>them.
>
>Pat
>
What the critics forgot was that John was YOUNGER when he had
glasses. That was the reason that he looked "softer" and was
popular. Of course, people get older, and while John may have
gotten away with having long hair and glasses when he was young,
he probably would not have when he was past 40. Or at least he
probably didn't think he would. I wished I could have judged
for myself. My point is, I think the critics wanted a young
John, but (LOL) even if John did put on the old metal rimmed
glasses again, he would not have looked or sounded like he did
back then.
Pat, I have to totally disagree with you that John looked better
without glasses. I realize I did tell the story of how my dad
saw JD on a Raisin Bran commercial and commented that John
looked better with glasses, and that I disagreed. Well, that
was back when I was about 12. I've since changed my mind. I
love the young John Denver with his high tenor voice, long blond
hair, and glasses. I thought this was the only place where I
could admit this. I'm too embarassed to tell anyone else.
However it seems like most people here prefer the older JD. But
even though he sounded superior technically with his voice and
his guitar playing, and looked more conventionally handsome,
there is still a very special place in my heart for young JD.
Anyone else?
ASLTsmile
appreciated his growth as I grew, but the young JD is who I first "fell in love
with."
I have an 11-year-old niece, and it is very funny to watch her as she "falls in
love" with one celeb after another. Reminds me of me at that age. LOL I
can't even begin to tell you how many stars of the time I had crushes on, but
JD was different. He's the only one who stood the test of time, and I think
it's because I really didn't "fall in love" with him pre sa, but with the music
and the message, and what he stood for, and continued to stand for all those
years. In other words the attraction was more than skin deep. I think it's
probably more accurate to say that I admire him greatly for who he was rather
than say I "loved" him. So, it never mattered a whole lot what he looked like,
or whether he wore glasses or not. The outward appearance may have changed
over the years, but the heart remained the same. I guess I "loved" the heart
of the man.
Peace,
Tricia
Flyushome
>grey
>> Mare.. Just ain't what she used to beeee"......
>>
>> O well..middle age crazies? Yep.
>>
>> Cheri:)
>
>Cheri, I know what you mean about never having your glasses where you need
>them and having to use the "long arm" technique. Think about mono-vision
>contacts. Since my distance vision is perfect, I wear a reading contact in
>one eye. After a few weeks, your brain takes over and you automatically see
>distance from one eye and close up from the other. Don't even have to think
>about it. As a nurse, it is a blessing on the days I work, because
>otherwise, I would never have the glasses at hand when I needed them. Could
>be dangerous for my patients! when I am home, I don't bother with a contact
>usually.
>
>Barb
>
>
them, I kept having to adjust from looking at my book to looking at the class.
Now, with two totally different visions, I have NO depth perception and am
constantly walk-
ing into things or putting the spoon beside the glass instead of inside it. My
sister has two different implants--one for distance and one for close-up. I
could NEVER deal with that! Agh, such joy in aging!
Pat
Flyushome
>older John w/o contacts?
>
>Colleen H-P
>
>
than contacts. As he apparently kept rather long hours when on tour, it wasn't
practical for him to wear contacts the entire time he was awake. That's a sure
way to have eye problems, as I can attest to.
Pat
Starfi6314
vision correction).
Mary
aerie
ThisOldGuitar wrote in message
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Ann
Flyushome
>simply WHY wear contacts all of a sudden. If he disliked
>glasses so much, why did he ever wear them on stage and in
>photos at all? What I suspect is that he was trying to update
>his image. The 70s were over, and this was the new JD for the
>80s! LOL
>
>
tried to wear contacts while in college but just couldn't "stick those things
in my eyes." I can relate to that! It seems that when so many events happened
in the early eighties, he decided he was no long-
er that guy behind the glasses. Hey, it happens to the best of us. I wore
contacts for several years--till I got married. Then, why bother?
Pat
Absolutely Cynthia Marie
Wow, really he tried wearing contacts back in the early 60s?
I've always been eternally grateful for my flawless 20/20 eagle
eye vision. When I could see the tiny sign for Thrifty ice cream
as I was driving past Rite-Aid. (Rite-Aid used to be Thrifty, but
for reasons I don't entirely understand, kept the name "Thrifty"
for its ice cream), I knew my vision was brilliant. God, I don't
know what I would do if I had to wear glasses. I might try
contacts, but I have this phobia of sticking things in my eyes.
I wear goggles while sewing, because I'm paranoid about
accidently sticking the needle in my eye. But glasses, great,
just one more thing for the kids at school to make fun of me
about. But if I did have to wear glasses, believe me, they would
be just like the kind that John Denver used to wear.
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Flyushome
>can't even begin to tell you how many stars of the time I had crushes on, but
>JD was different. He's the only one who stood the test of time, and I think
>it's because I really didn't "fall in love" with him pre sa, but with the
>music
>and the message, and what he stood for, and continued to stand for all those
>years. In other words the attraction was more than skin deep. I think it's
>probably more accurate to say that I admire him greatly for who he was rather
>than say I "loved" him. So, it never mattered a whole lot what he looked
>like,
>or whether he wore glasses or not. The outward appearance may have changed
>over the years, but the heart remained the same.
Beautifully put, Tricia. I don't think I paid much attention to the young
John. He seemed cute, but so very young--to me, a contemporary. As he neared
his 50's, he seemed to sort of catch up to his age, both in appearance and
voice. But, who he was, his mind and heart, I'm sure remained the same. That,
I believe, is why so many who "fell in love" with him in their teens still love
him today. He had staying power. How many of today's huge attractions will
have that same quality?
Pat
>>there is still a very special place in my heart for young JD.
>>Anyone else?
>
And to Cynthia, You are certainly not alone.
>
Absolutely Cynthia Marie
>Beautifully put, Tricia. I don't think I paid much attention
to the young
>John. He seemed cute, but so very young--to me, a
contemporary.
Why was that a bad thing? He was 30 in 1974, not all that
young, IMO. He always looked young for his age, he was very
cute. How could you not pay attention to him when he was
popular, but pay attention to him later when he wasn't?
As he neared
>his 50's, he seemed to sort of catch up to his age, both in
appearance and
>voice.
And you consider that a good thing? Still, for a man in his
50s, he was very young looking. That hair, those thick bangs,
did he have the same wig maker as Elton John? J/K!
>But, who he was, his mind and heart, I'm sure remained the
same. That,
>I believe, is why so many who "fell in love" with him in their
teens still love
>him today.
He's dead. He's forever immortalized as 53 at the oldest.
He had staying power. How many of today's huge attractions will
>have that same quality?
>
We don't know. I'm sure JD was considered to be a fad in the
70s. Only time will tell. I think Madonna has had staying
power.
>
>>>there is still a very special place in my heart for young JD.
>>>Anyone else?
>>
>And to Cynthia, You are certainly not alone.
Good, because I like the young John best. I'm not saying he got
worse as he got older, and I certainly want to listen to his
music from the 80s and 90s, but as far as collecting memorabilia
and JD pictures and merchandise, I choose to buy those depicting
him in full 70s regalia with the long hair, the glasses, the
hats, the flowery shirts, the necklaces, etc. Just my
preference.
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> As he neared
> >his 50's, he seemed to sort of catch up to his age, both in
> appearance and
> >voice.
>
> And you consider that a good thing? Still, for a man in his
> 50s, he was very young looking. That hair, those thick bangs,
> did he have the same wig maker as Elton John? J/K!
>
> Absolutely Cynthia Marie
What do you mean wig maker? John's hair was all his and not because he
bought it!!
Pam
Theresa
"Pamela Beasley" <pamela....@airmail.net> wrote in message
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> Absolutely Cynthia Marie wrote:
> > And you consider that a good thing? Still, for a man in his
> > 50s, he was very young looking. That hair, those thick bangs,
> > did he have the same wig maker as Elton John? J/K!
>
> bought it!!
>
> Pam
Pam.....J/K = Just Kidding....Cynthia was Just Kidding with us all in
that statement.
RFC=Read for Content ;-)
Peace,
Theresa
ASLTsmile
>worse as he got older, and I certainly want to listen to his
>music from the 80s and 90s, but as far as collecting memorabilia
>and JD pictures and merchandise, I choose to buy those depicting
>him in full 70s regalia with the long hair, the glasses, the
>hats, the flowery shirts, the necklaces, etc. Just my
>preference.
>
>Absolutely Cynthia Marie
That preference may change as you get older, Cynthia. Preferences have a way
of doing that. :)
Peace,
Tricia
ASLTsmile
Note the J/K at the end of that statement. If I'm reading it correctly, I
think Cynthia was just kidding.
Peace,
Tricia
>> And you consider that a good thing? Still, for a man in his
>> 50s, he was very young looking. That hair, those thick bangs,
>> did he have the same wig maker as Elton John? J/K!
>>
>> Absolutely Cynthia Marie
sparrow songbird
JD, especially pictures from the One World tour program, are
breathtaking. And the younger JD is appealing only when I can think of
myself as 25 years younger too.
Colleen H-P
In article <20000626105026...@ng-da1.aol.com>,
Absolutely Cynthia Marie
>What do you mean wig maker? John's hair was all his and not
because he
>bought it!!
>
>Pam
Relax Pam. As has been pointed out to you already, J/K means
Just Kidding. I saw that interview where John whined about not
having a record label. This was a month before he died and
while his hair was not as thick as it used to be, it was still
pretty good for a man his age; slightly long, blondish, I
thought he was aging well, even if he was a little plump.
Absolutely Cynthia Marie
http://mypage.goplay.com/BobbyDylan
P.S. I come to the conclusion that JD without glasses just
doesn't do a thing for me. It not that he was older in the
80s/90s; the old MT pix of John in the 60s where he's not
wearing glasses don't do a thing for me either. I would go as
far as to say that he actually looked better with those heavy
black-rimmed glasses than with none at all. It's funny because
when I see pix of John in the early 70s, I'm all "Ohh, he's so
cute! Awww!", but unless he had very long hair down the back,
John in his 40s and 50s, while I'm sure he was a nice man,
looked like a bit of a dork. I don't care if this is an
unpopular opinion. The man truly had a face that was meant to
wear glasses, and I would have told him so.
HIITSMELU
Me I loved the mature look of JD, I thought he got better looking as he
aged,(if that was possible) but as far as I am concerned, I would take JD at
any age, with the granny glasses or without, short or long hair.....EVEN the
"Ugly Shirts" tee heee
Lulu
Gwen
(But what an absolutely adorable "dork" he was; imho)
Gwen
"And if peace is what we pray for
and peace is what we give
then peace will be the way we are
and peace the way we live"
The Peace Poem
Words by John Denver
from It's About Time (1983)
allth...@ftc-i.net
watching different interviews. I didn't think he was "whining" about
anything. Just stating a fact.
I love it when people in their 20's say "he/she is aging rather well".
At least you didn't say he was "well perserved for a man of his age"!
LOL! I doubt that John looked as "plump" in person as he did on TV. TV
puts at least 10 to 15 pounds on you.
Best,
Dot
OTTER
> I love it when people in their 20's say "he/she is aging rather well".
> At least you didn't say he was "well perserved for a man of his age"!
> LOL! I doubt that John looked as "plump" in person as he did on TV. TV
> puts at least 10 to 15 pounds on you.
I, for one, loved his "beginnings of a little pot belly" that was evident
in LTBAV. Just one more instance where he looked cuddly to me. Sigh.
Best, Gloria
--
"The moment at hand is the only thing we really own." John Denver
hiway3...@yahoo.com
> I, for one, loved his "beginnings of a little pot belly" that was
evident
> in LTBAV. Just one more instance where he looked cuddly to me. Sigh.
>
Hi Gloria,
Alas, that 'middle age spread' creeps up on most of us! However, John
was wearing a pair of (Haggar Casuals) pants size 32 x 32 on the day of
his accident - that ain't too bad!
Hiway (;
Rosemary Good
<hiway3...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>However, John
> was wearing a pair of (Haggar Casuals) pants size 32 x 32 on the day of
> his accident -
Thanks Hiway---32 x 32---same size my son wears, and I always call him the
perfect cube! :-)
Rosemary
hiwa...@my-deja.com
> 32 x 32---same size my son wears, and I always call him
the
> perfect cube! :-)
>
"The Perfect Cube" -- that's cute, Rosemary! <g>
Absolutely Cynthia Marie
>
>
><hiway3...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:8jdq0o$v4e$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
>
>>However, John
>> was wearing a pair of (Haggar Casuals) pants size 32 x 32 on
the day of
>> his accident -
>
call him the
>perfect cube! :-)
>
Sometimes fat men wear pants that are too small for them. Ever
see a man with a belly hanging over a squeezed waist?
I was a bit surprised to see that John had gained weight. He
had *always* been thin before. On the johndenver.net site,
there was this beautiful pic of him in the 70s, running through
the mountains. I was impressed by how lithe and athletic he
was. His waist and his butt were very small, and his long hair
was flying from behind. He looked like he could run over Mt.
Everest. Another series of photos I found, were of an early
show (don't know where or when) where John was playing on stage,
with his legs close together. He looked very delicate and thin,
even though his face had wide bone structure. Of course I
imagine him singing, and his voice was delicate at the time.
His hair was immaculately sleek and shiny, like gold. I was
impressed.
Middle age spread? hee hee hee!!!
hiway3...@yahoo.com
> Middle age spread? hee hee hee!!!
<grin>
It can happen! Largely do to that change of metabolism that starts to
hit around the age of 40... that was flamed by John's increasing passion
for junk food treats! (Hot dogs, especially, come to mind...)
Laura
>puts at least 10 to 15 pounds on you.
>
And isn't that a scary thought when you think of how anorexic he looked in the
early 80's... he actually looked more thin in real life? phew..
Laura
Laura
>evident
>> in LTBAV. Just one more instance where he looked cuddly to me. Sigh.
Makes you want to feed him some of those biscuits and gravy.. like for once in
his life he would appreciate that kind of food!!
(referring to his telling Annie he didn't like it..)
Laura
Laura
Chip says he didn't need to know that..
he felt better thinking he had gotten chubbier...
<grin>
Laura
Laura
Ain't that the truth!! lol!!!
I've seen 54" waists in those 32" pants
more than once.. usually hanging around the phones at the 7-11, near a pickup
truck and with some form of Hostess goodie and
a chocolate milk nearby!
Laura
Itamazesme
Hollie darlin
>>>>his waist and his butt were very small,
Cyn
Penny G
hiway3...@yahoo.com
> Umm Hiway..
> Chip says he didn't need to know that..
> he felt better thinking he had gotten chubbier...
> <grin>
Oops! Sorry about that, Chip! It's another 'fact,' I'm afraid...
straight from the coroner's report.
Hiway
Laura
>"heavy sauces"... ;-)
Yep...
He should have had a few here and there!
He was too skinny then!
Laura
Laura
country. a bit redneck out here..
<grin>
Laura
Absolutely Cynthia Marie
>
>> I love it when people in their 20's say "he/she is aging
rather well".
>> At least you didn't say he was "well perserved for a man of
his age"!
>> LOL! I doubt that John looked as "plump" in person as he did
>> puts at least 10 to 15 pounds on you.
But John had always looked thin on TV before! Going from what
you say John was 15 pounds underweight when he was young.
>
>I, for one, loved his "beginnings of a little pot belly" that
was evident
>in LTBAV. Just one more instance where he looked cuddly to
me. Sigh.
>
>Best, Gloria
>
>--
>"The moment at hand is the only thing we really own." John
Denver
>
Wow Gloria, we do have VERY different taste in men.
Absolutely Cynthia Marie
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Absolutely Cynthia Marie
What do you mean Hollie? That's a compliment! While John was
certainly thin in the early 80s, he seemed to be just as thin
years before from what I can tell. Maybe he was on a diet at
the very end.
ASLTsmile
with the macrobiotic diet and all. Poor guy just couldn't take it any more.
:)
Peace,
Tricia
Laura
>you say John was 15 pounds underweight when he was young.
I don't think you have seen enough of his old TV..
Watch "JD and the Muppets, Christmas Together". thats from the late 70's.
Yes, he is thin, but healthy looking too.
Now check out "Music and the Mountains"
from the early 80's. The man looks ill.
At one point he is playing guitar in a short sleeved shirt,
(a very different version of "Lady's Chains" than the Wildlife concert!
You absolutely CRINGE thru this version if you like the other!!!!!)
and he looks anorexic.. shockingly thin.
Keep in mind, these were some hard times.. His marriage wasn't doing well,
RCA giving him grief, etc.
If you look back, it definitley took it's toll,
as well as the macrobiotic diet.
Laura
Laura
Aol booted me when I hit send last time..
>But John had always looked thin on TV before! Going from what
>you say John was 15 pounds underweight when he was young.
>
I don't think you've seen enough of his early TV..
Watch JD & The Muppets, Christmas together.. thats from the late 70's.
He was certainly thin, always was.. BUT
he looked healthy and athletic.
Now check out "Music and the Mountains" from the early 80's. Watch the outdoor
concert where he performs "Ladies Chains"
(Or IRBAC--btw.. this version is soooo
different from the Wildlife concert, you will
be absolutely CRINGING as he goes thru it painfully slow!!)
He looks anorexic, not thin. Not athletic..
it looks like he would be hurt if he tried to play, coulda snapped those arms
like a twig..
Keep in mind his life was rough at this point.. RCA giving him grief, his
marriage
at the beginning of the end.. etc.
That took it's toll, along with the macrobiotics.
Laura
Christine Moon
earlier I wouldn't have thought he'd get those around his cuddly middle :-)
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>
>
>
> > I, for one, loved his "beginnings of a little pot belly" that was
> evident
> > in LTBAV. Just one more instance where he looked cuddly to me. Sigh.
> >
>
> Hi Gloria,
>
> Alas, that 'middle age spread' creeps up on most of us! However, John
> was wearing a pair of (Haggar Casuals) pants size 32 x 32 on the day of
> his accident - that ain't too bad!
>
> Hiway (;
>
>
Christine Moon
of cotton wool....
Give me nuts and dried apricots any day - mmmm!
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>
>
>
> > Middle age spread? hee hee hee!!!
>
> <grin>
>
> It can happen! Largely do to that change of metabolism that starts to
> hit around the age of 40... that was flamed by John's increasing passion
> for junk food treats! (Hot dogs, especially, come to mind...)
>
Absolutely Cynthia Marie
>>But John had always looked thin on TV before! Going from what
>>you say John was 15 pounds underweight when he was young.
>
late 70's.
>Yes, he is thin, but healthy looking too.
You're right, he was healthy looking back then.
>Now check out "Music and the Mountains"
>from the early 80's. The man looks ill.
>At one point he is playing guitar in a short sleeved shirt,
> (a very different version of "Lady's Chains" than the Wildlife
concert!
>You absolutely CRINGE thru this version if you like the
other!!!!!)
>and he looks anorexic.. shockingly thin.
I know it's hard to see him on the cover of SOTH, but from what I
can see, he was thin, thin, thin.
>Keep in mind, these were some hard times.. His marriage wasn't
doing well,
>RCA giving him grief, etc.
>If you look back, it definitley took it's toll,
>as well as the macrobiotic diet.
>
>Laura
Absolutely Cynthia Marie
Diamondsnstones
>>However, John
>> was wearing a pair of (Haggar Casuals) pants size 32 x 32 on the day of
>> his accident -
>
Hiway dearheart, I love you dearly but can we stop with the coroner's report
please. It brings back so much horror in reading it almost 3 years ago. I
have tried to get past that memory and most of us do have it. I remember so
many other things that were in that report when it is mentioned. Thank you so
much. Love Sue
Diamondsnstones
>> I've seen 54" waists in those 32" pants
>> more than once.. usually hanging around the phones at the 7-11, near a
>pickup
>> truck and with some form of Hostess goodie and
>> a chocolate milk nearby!
>>
>> Laura
>
Diamondsnstones
>Wow Gloria, we do have VERY different taste in men.
>
This is very good methinks!!!!!!
hiway3...@yahoo.com
> Hiway dearheart, I love you dearly but can we stop with the coroner's
report
> please. It brings back so much horror in reading it almost 3 years
ago. I
> have tried to get past that memory and most of us do have it. I
remember so
> many other things that were in that report when it is mentioned.
Thank you so
> much. Love Sue
>
Believe me, I completely understand what you are saying (and how you are
feeling.) There have been so many rumors and speculations, though, that
I felt the overwhelming urge to deal with nothing but facts -- not what
I was told (even by close friends of us both), but just *official*
statements.
Perhaps there has been a lack of sensitivity on my part: that report no
longer disturbs me in the least - perhaps because of time, perhaps
because of a certain medical detachment (most likely a bit of both) -
but I sincerely apologize if it has caused stress to others.
Love,
Hiway
Laura
>
For the Ho- Ho's..
Laura
Itamazesme
russians because i was a little upset. I m doin just fine and I ve started my
sobriety over again. I ll have 15 years again real soon. Really.,its Ok!!
Hollie Darlin
Itamazesme
Hollie Darlin
Christine Moon
"Eagles and Horses" - "my body is merely the shell of my soul". Once John's
soul had flown free, which it did in an instant, it doesn't matter to me
what became of its former home. What use is a body with no spirit within?
All that matters is that John's spirit is just fine, and as beautiful as
ever it was.
When I visited Pacific Grove, I was reminded of this by a small hermit crab
in a rock pool left by the tide. That creature would outgrow the shell in
which it was living, and leave it for another. It would look like a
different creature, but would in fact still be the same crab. I feel that
the crab came to me as a reminder that John is still the same beautiful
spirit, just not in the same shell anymore.
Hope this makes some sort of sense!
--
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>
>
>
> > Hiway dearheart, I love you dearly but can we stop with the coroner's
> report
> > please. It brings back so much horror in reading it almost 3 years
> ago. I
> > have tried to get past that memory and most of us do have it. I
> remember so
> > many other things that were in that report when it is mentioned.
> Thank you so
> > much. Love Sue
> >
> Believe me, I completely understand what you are saying (and how you are
> feeling.) There have been so many rumors and speculations, though, that
> I felt the overwhelming urge to deal with nothing but facts -- not what
> I was told (even by close friends of us both), but just *official*
> statements.
>
> Perhaps there has been a lack of sensitivity on my part: that report no
> longer disturbs me in the least - perhaps because of time, perhaps
> because of a certain medical detachment (most likely a bit of both) -
> but I sincerely apologize if it has caused stress to others.
>
LiteofVega
>Hope this makes some sort of sense!
It makes perfect sense to me, Christine. A beautiful analogy!
Peace,
Mary in Oklahoma
"The bitterest tears shed over graves are for words left unsaid and deeds left
undone."
--- Harriet Beecher Stowe
Beth Swanton
That was beautiful a beautiful analogy, and is exactly the way I like to think
of John, now. Thank you so much for sharing it.
Beth
Christine Moon wrote:
> When I visited Pacific Grove, I was reminded of this by a small hermit crab
> in a rock pool left by the tide. That creature would outgrow the shell in
> which it was living, and leave it for another. It would look like a
> different creature, but would in fact still be the same crab. I feel that
> the crab came to me as a reminder that John is still the same beautiful
> spirit, just not in the same shell anymore.
>
> Hope this makes some sort of sense!
>
hiway3...@yahoo.com
> When I visited Pacific Grove, I was reminded of this by a small hermit
crab
> in a rock pool left by the tide. That creature would outgrow the
shell in
> which it was living, and leave it for another. It would look like a
> different creature, but would in fact still be the same crab. I feel
that
> the crab came to me as a reminder that John is still the same
beautiful
> spirit, just not in the same shell anymore.
>
How absolutely *perfect*, Christine... thanks so much!!!
I have always considered 'Eagles and Horses' to be John's personal,
private epitaph. That song moves me in a way that no other can; I
actually find it enpowering.
Much Love,
JDNVR
I loved your analogy of the hermit crab. Now I'll think of John every time I
see my son's hermit crab. Maybe I can talk him into re-naming him.
Debbie
Laura
ok ok.. for the Twinkies, I meant!
Reminds me of when our "T" burned out
in the sign at the Best Western.. and
we were announcing we had a
Ho' Tub for rent!! lol!
Making a ho' made pie tonight too..
;-)
Laura
Christine Moon
emphasize the line "my spirit will NEVER be broken or caught". And so it
won't, he is flying free, with his beloved eagles.
--
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Gwen
>won't, he is flying free, with his beloved eagles.
Oh so true. And what a comforting thought!
Gwen
"And if peace is what we pray for
and peace is what we give
then peace will be the way we are
and peace the way we live"
The Peace Poem
Words by John Denver
from It's About Time (1983)
Absolutely Cynthia Marie
Re-name him what? John? A crab named John. John is such a
common name, how will anyone know he was named after John Denver
specifically? How about Denver then? Will people know he was
named after the man or the city in Colorado? How about H. J.
Deutchendorf Jr.? How do you know the crab's not a girl? How
about Andromeda or Windsong?
ASLTsmile
male. I emphasize MY because I grew up in a household that had many cats and
dogs and gerbils and fish and birds and....but Andy was MY first cat.
Peace,
Tricia
JDNVR
ACM -
Well, don't know for sure, but I think it's gotta be a boy. For one thing, the
only time 'he' comes out of his shell is when he's mad which means he spends
99% of his time curled up in his shell. My theory is that 'he' must have a
little TV in there somewhere! :) As for the name, I was just KIDDING!!!
'His' name is currently Rainbow (his shell is rainbow striped) and it can stay
that way.
My son, however, IS named after John. He knows it and makes sure that the
people he cares about know it, too.
Debbie
ThisOldGuitar
>in the sign at the Best Western.. and
>we were announcing we had a
>Ho' Tub for rent!! lol!
>
Back in 1996, we had an ice storm here in Spokane, Washington that had held its
grip on the area for up to two weeks in some places. The local Office Depot
had a little fun when their power finally came back on. They turned off the
first few letters of their sign so all you could read was "ICE DEPOT".
Dave
ASLTsmile
Peace,
Tricia
allth...@ftc-i.net
heavier than he actually was, though, due to TV making you appear
heavier. The only time I didn't care for how John looked was when he
was way too thin and looked very unhealthy. Think that was when he was
on that weird diet.
Best,
Dot
Flyushome wrote:
> > I doubt that John looked as "plump" in person as he did
> >on TV. TV
> >>> puts at least 10 to 15 pounds on you.
> >
> >But John had always looked thin on TV before! Going from what
> >you say John was 15 pounds underweight when he was young.
> >
> >>
> >>I, for one, loved his "beginnings of a little pot belly" that
> >was evident
> >>in LTBAV. Just one more instance where he looked cuddly to
> >me. Sigh.
> >>
> >>Best, Gloria
> >>
> Me, too, Gloria. I thought he looked ador-
> able in LTBAV.
>
> Pat
Flyushome
>>>However, John
>>> was wearing a pair of (Haggar Casuals) pants size 32 x 32 on the day of
>>> his accident -
>>
>
Hiway, now that you mention it, it was hard to imagine John squeezing into 32"
pants at the end of his life. Any thoughts?
Pat
Flyushome
Flyushome
>It can happen! Largely do to that change of metabolism that starts to
>hit around the age of 40... that was flamed by John's increasing passion
>for junk food treats! (Hot dogs, especially, come to mind...)
>
>Hiway (:
>
Someone told me John ate 5 hotdogs at a Baltimore Orioles game (not the one of
9/97). Just a rumor, of course!
Pat
Christine Moon
--
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heavy as he did in LTBAV, though, did it Christine? You know, like his face,
arms, legs.
I have a friend who went on our local PBS station, and if I had not known this
was her, I would not have recognized her! She looked at least 10 to 15 lbs.
heavier than she does in person.
Best,
Dot
Christine Moon
http://www.fojd.org.uk
Actually, I thought he looked fine in most of LTBAV - it was only the scene
in Stu's cabin at the end that I noticed his face looking sort of puffy - he
seemed to have days like that in his last few years.
--
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look like a man who is 53 years old should have looked. Guess my whole point
is, that with TV adding weight to a person, he probably did not look as heavy in
person as on TV. I know my friend did not look anywhere near what her normal
weight is. If I had not have known it was her on that TV screen, I wouldn't
have recognized her, and I see her on an almost daily basis.
Pamela Beasley
> Actually, I thought he looked fine in most of LTBAV - it was only the scene
> in Stu's cabin at the end that I noticed his face looking sort of puffy - he
> seemed to have days like that in his last few years.
> Peace, in John's memory,
> Christine
I wonder if the puffy look had anything to do with the thyroid
condition? And you remember how much weight he gained during 93 to 94.
Pam
Christine Moon
Yes, I would think that had a lot to do with it.
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Barbara Stevens
> condition? And you remember how much weight he gained during 93 to 94.
Been there and done that!! Thyroid conditions sure can cause major weight
gain and puffiness. I am 60 pounds heavier than my uusal weight since I
became HYPERthyroid. Yes--I did say HYPER! Twenty percent of those who are
hyperthyroid gain weight while the rest lose weight! WHY DID I HAVE TO BE IN
THE 20%?? LOL Then, after radioactive iodine treatment, I became
HYPOthyroid, and gained more weight, and I still can't lose it. I have days
when I look in the mirror and seem so puffy that I don't recognize myself.
Two months ago, I became hypothyroid again, even while on the same meds for
4 years. WHY? No one knows, but i have now had to double my meds. Soooo, I
am not at all surprised to see how John looked in the last few years if he
truly was hypothyroid. The pics where he looks so bloated and puffy in the
face look like classic hypothyroidism to me. Also, it can affect the memory,
and I have heard people say he had trouble with the lyrics in some of the
concerts during that period of time. Many people take the meds and are
stable forever, but many are very labile and have trouble keeping their
levels under control. It must have been very hard on him to be touring and
keeping the level of of performing that he did, since the condition really
wears you out.
Barb
allth...@ftc-i.net
My sister-in-law had thyroid cancer and they had to take her thyroid gland out.
She will be on thyroid meds for the rest of her life. She has been maintaining
a good thyroid level with the amount she has been on for several years, but has
suddenly become *hyperthyroid* (dropped 12 lbs in 6 months) so her meds had to
be lowered. She has had to be switched several times back and forth over the
past 8 years. I realize that she is not the typical person whose thyroid is not
working right (she has *no* thyroid), but it is interesting how everything goes
well for a while and then she becomes either hypothyroid or hyperthyroid. She
will definitely get a *puffy* look when she is *hypothyroid*. I didn't realize
that you could put weight on when *hyperthyroid*. That is really interesting.
Yes, I could see John having a real problem keeping his levels under control
while touring and being on a very hectic schedule. I don't see how he kept his
energy level up at all. There were pictures that you would see of John, and his
face looked very puffy and big. Then others, taken around the same time period,
where he would look like he had lost that puffy look and his face looked much
more normal.
Best,
Dot
hiway3...@yahoo.com
> > And you remember how much weight he gained during 93 to
94.
>
> Been there and done that!! Thyroid conditions sure can cause major
weight
> gain and puffiness.
Hello Barb,
I am *so* sorry that you are going through this. I have a dear friend
who has had to endure much the same experience as yours; she has been
extremely ill at times. She, too, has had the puffiness, protruding
eyes, etc.; trying to regulate her meds has been hell.
John, however, did not have/never did have a thyroid problem. I found
this out for certain just a few weeks ago. In all fairness, I never
heard *John* say that he did - only his lawyer(s). It's a good thing
that he didn't, as it would have had caused serious problems with his
flying license (regarding his 'medical').
Hope that your situation is improving every day,
Best to You,
Absolutely Cynthia Marie
>
>
>> > And you remember how much weight he gained during 93 to
>94.
>>
>> Been there and done that!! Thyroid conditions sure can cause
major
>weight
>> gain and puffiness.
>
>Hello Barb,
>
>I am *so* sorry that you are going through this. I have a dear
friend
>who has had to endure much the same experience as yours; she
has been
>extremely ill at times. She, too, has had the puffiness,
protruding
>eyes, etc.; trying to regulate her meds has been hell.
>
>John, however, did not have/never did have a thyroid problem.
I found
>this out for certain just a few weeks ago.
And here I was feeling all bad because I made fun of a poor man
with a thyroid problem. I thought "Oh I'm so sorry! It wasn't
John's fault he was fat; he was ill!" Thanks, I feel better
now.
>In all fairness, I never
>heard *John* say that he did - only his lawyer(s).
It's good he hired such ethical, honest people. <g>
>It's a good thing
>that he didn't, as it would have had caused serious problems
with his
>flying license (regarding his 'medical').
If John's license was taken away, he'd still be alive now,
wouldn't he? Unhappy maybe, but still alive.
>Hope that your situation is improving every day,
>
>Best to You,
>Hiway
>
>
>Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
>Before you buy.
Absolutely Cynthia Marie
hiway3...@yahoo.com
> >In all fairness, I never
> >heard *John* say that he did - only his lawyer(s).
>
> It's good he hired such ethical, honest people. <g>
Heheheheheh!!! Ethical? Honest? LAWYERS??? Heheheheheh!!!
The weight that JD was carrying around in 93/94 was more fluid (edema)
than 'fat;' that's why his appearance could change so dramatically from
week to week. Once he curtailed his drinking, he looked so much better,
and the light came back in his eyes.
Best,
Hiway (;
Flyushome
>as
>heavy as he did in LTBAV, though, did it Christine? You know, like his face,
>arms, legs.
>
>
Yes, Dot, I'm afraid he did. I saw him four times in the last few months of
his life, and he looked pretty much as he did in LTBAV--better dressed, of
course, except for the yellow/hearts shirt!
Pat