Annie?
Donna Eakle
lawyer, singer, counselor?) It would be interesting to find out.
Peace
Donna
dme...@mindspring.com
LPILLA wrote in message <19990224174152...@ng33.aol.com>...
>>Subject: Re: Annie?
>>From: "Gayle Bosko"
>
>>Annie has been re-married for quite some time.
>
>Hi!
>
> Annie IS remarried?? I wasn't aware of that!
>
> Where have I been?
>
>Thanx
>Cheri22
Handtsmom
whether she has remained single all of these years. I agree that she is a very
classy lady!
Holly
Redding, CA
Gayle Bosko
Peace!
Handtsmom wrote in message <19990224155049...@ng118.aol.com>...
RFa7714804
>Annie has been re-married for quite some time.
>I believe she is now a psycho analyst.
> Peace!
Really?! I knew she was a counselor of some kind but I thought she never
re-married. Whenever I see her doing an interview it always says Annie Denver.
Robin
LPILLA
>From: "Gayle Bosko"
>Annie has been re-married for quite some time.
Hi!
Cloudclmb2
John really seemed to be re-connected at the time of his death. That makes me
smile!! Peace Cheryl
COconnectn
legally Ann Denver (no other last name) according to driver's license
information, vehicles registered to her in her name only, and her house is in
her name only. If she remarried it has to be the best kept secret of the last
25 years! She was also not accompanied by any male companion at either of the
memorials in Oct. 1997.
Cloudclmb2
CO records. I really was not under the impression she had remarried-just gone
on with her own life. God Bless Her! Cheryl
ASLTsmile
Annie's parents they said she never remarried, and they don't expect she ever
will. I think she's probably heppy just being her own person.
I found one thing Annie said in the TNN special a little sad. When she said
she was more in love with the fact that John was in love with her rather than
in love with him. Could be just one of many reasons the marrage didn't work
out :( She is a very classy lady just the same.
Peace,
Tricia
Dr Pepper
I will be the last person on the planet to get to see this TNN
show....so I am not clear on what you mean....did she say she was more
in love with the fact that he adored her so much? -Meaning that she
didn't reciprocate the feeling? Does this mean he was infatuated with
her and she was just a little more realistic? Sometimes I get the
feeling that John is this guy exploding with emotion and sincere
sensitivity, and not everyone else is that expressive or feels as
strongly about things....and there is a "mismatch" in his relationships
because of it. Can you imagine a relationship made up of two people with
that much emotional energy living together? What a roller coaster
ride!!!!! I haven't seen the TNN show, but after watching all Annie's
other interviews, I would definitely say by watching her body language,
that she loved/loves John deeply.....as a lover or as a friend or in
whatever capacity she is capable of....I guess she's the only one now
that will ever know what that might be. I adore her too and can
definitely understand where she's coming from....She is so
special.....Lorraine
Handtsmom
remarry...I guess I'm the romantic at heart that maybe wonders whether she and
John were always joined in spirit despite the rocky times they had!
Holly
Redding, CA
fgos...@infoave.net
I really didn't get that out of what she said. I know Richard H. said he got
that as well. I need to go back and look at it again. I thought she meant
more that she couldn't believe that he would be in love with her. She has
made a statement similar to this in another interview, and it came out more
that they were young (she was 20 and he was 23) and she saw him as being
older and a musician and could not believe that he could be in love with her.
Maybe I missed something here, as this is two of you who got the same
impression. However she felt in the beginning of the marriage she does not
appear to be a lady who did not love her husband. Your love grows over the
years and changes, and even if it started out a certain way (we can marry
someone for different reasons) I don't think it stayed that way. If she did
mean it how you took it, it makes me sad as well that she felt that way at
that time. I still think she is a classy lady, too.
I had heard that she had never remarried also. Well kept secret if she did!
Dot
In South Carolina
In article <19990225105328...@ng-da1.aol.com>,
aslt...@aol.com (ASLTsmile) wrote:
> I don't believe Annie ever remarried. From an inside sourse who spoke with
> Annie's parents they said she never remarried, and they don't expect she ever
> will. I think she's probably heppy just being her own person.
>
> I found one thing Annie said in the TNN special a little sad. When she said
> she was more in love with the fact that John was in love with her rather than
> in love with him. Could be just one of many reasons the marrage didn't work
> out :( She is a very classy lady just the same.
>
> Peace,
> Tricia
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Christine Moon
the 70's she was said not to like being regarded as "Mrs John Denver", she
wanted to be her own person. Yet now she has adopted Denver as her legal
name. It was never even John's legal name - he was legally still H.J.
Deutschendorf, as I understand.
Peace, in John's memory,
Christine
moon...@netcomuk.co.uk
"Friends of John Denver" http://surf.to/friends.of.john.denver
COconnectn wrote in message <19990224180819...@ng122.aol.com>...
Cloudclmb2
Cloudclmb2
Rockhuggr
Deutschendorf, Annie uses Denver. I don't know about Anna Kate or Jesse. Which
is the legal name?
>Deutschendorf, as I understand.
Rox
RFa7714804
>Deutschendorf, as I understand.
>
>Christine
I thought they said on the VH1 special that he legally changed it to Denver.
Anyone know?
Robin
COconnectn
>
>I've been confused about this, too. Cassandra uses Denver-Delany. Zak uses
>Deutschendorf, Annie uses Denver. I don't know about Anna Kate or Jesse.
>Which
>is the legal name?
>> It was never even John's legal name - he was legally still H.J.
>>Deutschendorf, as I understand.
>
>Rox
CO state records show the names as follows:
Henry John Deutschendorf, Jr.
Ann Marie Denver
Zachary John Deutschendorf
Anna Kate Deutschendorf
CA state records now show Cassandra Delaney Denver, but in CO she was known as
Cassandra Delaney.
Pamela Beasley
I understand that as part of the divorce settlement, Cassandra was
barred from using Denver---something she immediately starting doing
after John died.
Pam
Pamela Beasley
>
> >It was never even John's legal name - he was legally still H.J.
> >Deutschendorf, as I understand.
> >
> >Christine
>
> I thought they said on the VH1 special that he legally changed it to Denver.
> Anyone know?
>
> Robin
He never changed his legal name. On the programs at the Aurora Memorial
service, it said Henry John Deutschendorf aka John Denver.
Pam
LOU
like being Mrs. John Denver.....yet she goes by that name....??????
LuLu
LOU
LuLu
LPILLA
>From: rock...@aol.com (Rockhuggr)
>I've been confused about this, too. Cassandra uses Denver-Delany. Zak uses
>Deutschendorf, Annie uses Denver. I don't know about Anna Kate or Jesse.
>Which
>is the legal name?
>> It was never even John's legal name - he was legally still H.J.
Deutschendorf, as I understand.
>
>Rox
Hi Rox!
I'm not SURE on this....so if anyone KNOWS for sure, please speak up...
I THINK John NEVER had his name legally changed...using Denver as more of a
strage name....and I beleive both Anna Kate and Zak use Duestchendorf. I'm not
sure about JesseBelle though.
As for Annie, my guess is she legally changed hers to Denver, but not sure on
this either.
Heck....i'm still scratching my head about Annies remarriage, having gotten
emails that say yep and no! LOL!
Hey CHRISTINE...yoooohooo...can you help with this? :))
Thanx
Cheri22
BaxTerr
>
>Henry John Deutschendorf, Jr.
>Ann Marie Denver
>Zachary John Deutschendorf
>Anna Kate Deutschendorf
>
Gee, I always did think that Annie was John's "That Girl"! (Ann Marie - get
it?, lol!) She's always been such an inspiration! As have been the rest of
the Deutschendorfs/Denvers as a family!
And I agreed with Dot when she said Annie's made a similar statement in another
interview. I believe she said something like, she thought John was "worldly"
and that of course at that time he really wasn't, and then she added that she
couldn't believe he had picked her. I believe she meant the same thing in the
TNN show when she said that, in the beginning, she may have been more in love
with the fact that John was in love with her. I love her candid responses!
And btw, she cracked me up on the Behind The Music interview when she said John
told her she wasn't the girl he married, and she said, "oh John, I know I'm
not. I was happy about that, I don't think he was."
:-) see, she's great!
And in case it isn't clear in my post thus far; I believe that Annie loved, and
loves, John. And that they filled up each other's senses! -just exactly like
the song. :-)
Peace - Terri
ASLTsmile
Although Annie may not have been as much in love with John as John was with
her, I think she still had feelings for him. I think those feelings grew,
which may be why it was more and more difficult for her to share him with the
world. I also think (and this is just speculation on my part) that their
relationship improved after the devorce because the contraints of marriage were
no longer there.
I have always believed John still loved Annie, and the more I see of Annie, I
believe she still loved him. Whether as a very close friend or more, who
knows. I guess only Annie knows for sure.
Peace,
Tricia
Christine Moon
records back then, and he was admitted to the UK as "H J Deutschendorf Jr"
for his 1982 tour (the one when the Apollo London concert was taped).
Peace, in John's memory,
Christine
moon...@netcomuk.co.uk
"Friends of John Denver" http://surf.to/friends.of.john.denver
RFa7714804 wrote in message
<19990225174956...@ng-fc1.aol.com>...
>>It was never even John's legal name - he was legally still H.J.
>>Deutschendorf, as I understand.
>>
Siri Wheeler
"There's a danger in forever looking outside
You start to believe that all your prayers
have been denied
And you forget the sound of your own name.."
--Henry John Deutschendorf, Jr.
"The Wandering Soul"
Peace and love,
Siri
Christine Moon
end of his life. The Coroner's report gives his name as "Deutschendorf,
Henry John Jr" and says "aka John Denver" in the box on the form labelled
"tattoos, scars or distinguishing marks"!! The pathologist's re[port names
him as simply "Henry Deutschendorf Jr".
To the best of my knowledge, Annie never remarried. From what I have seen
and heard of her since John's death, I would say that he was the love of her
life.
Peace, in John's memory,
Christine
moon...@netcomuk.co.uk
"Friends of John Denver" http://surf.to/friends.of.john.denver
LPILLA wrote in message <19990225191650...@ng150.aol.com>...
Christine Moon
least she was in 1997.
Peace, in John's memory,
Christine
moon...@netcomuk.co.uk
"Friends of John Denver" http://surf.to/friends.of.john.denver
LOU wrote in message <23789-36D...@newsd-164.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...
BHoehn123
Annie was one of my John Denver memories on the Aspen trip....
We had 5 minutes with her at the Wheeler reception....What a lady.....
Barbara
Whsprnjsse
>like being Mrs. John Denver.....yet she goes by that name....??????
>
>LuLu
Lu, there's a BIG difference in being Annie Denver and being Mrs. John Denver.
Think about it.
I would imagine--and, Kennon, this is only MY supposition--that being Mrs. John
Denver was a pain in the keister. Tied to his image and what that image stood
for, always linked to that image, having to put up with the "star" treatment
(and not the good stuff that goes with that either), and your life and
personality become John Denver. For someone as staunchly independent as she
seems to be, that had to be a major pain for her. I wouldn't want to be Mrs.
John Denver, either. Getting lost in that, becoming another John Denver clone
would drive me up the wall. I'd hate the restrictions.
But, being married to John Denver, being Annie Denver, has a different
connotation. I would go so far as to concede that the "John Denver" persona
could be a major pain in the butt, but the "Henry John" persona was less
demanding and always there, the romantic and the lover. John Denver offstage
was not the John Denver onstage, and she didn't have to share that or get
swallowed by it.
No, I can understand the statement. They are two separate people, but one is
more liveable than the other. IMHO!
valerie r. williams
aka, jesse...@aol.com
"The wind is a Goddess, that first learned to fly."
--John Denver, 'Windsong'--
MBlimes
>connotation.
I had heard that she kept the name Annie Denver because she was involved in
many charities, and it opened alot of doors. Nothing wrong with that!! We all
do what we can to get those doors (and wallets) open!
M
Christine Moon
off stage. Why adopt his stage name as her legal name?
Peace, in John's memory,
Christine
moon...@netcomuk.co.uk
"Friends of John Denver" http://surf.to/friends.of.john.denver
Whsprnjsse wrote in message
<19990228104954...@ng-fi1.news.cs.com>...
<<snip>>
Boogis42
>You start to believe that all your prayers
>have been denied
>And you forget the sound of your own name.."
>--Henry John Deutschendorf, Jr.
>"The Wandering Soul"
Siri,
This quote means so much! And it truly is the reason to so much of our own
pain. Funny, how we know that, but don't remember it, when we're in it.
Life is a wonderful lesson, and John is a wonderful teacher.
Judy
TwylaEglfr
>So, why didn't she use Henry John's name, Deutschendorf? That's who he was,
>off stage.
I remember him years ago on the Merv Griffin show stating that he had never
changed his name legally but he was proud of both of them, and that it was
"Denver" that he asked Annie to share with him. So her legal married name was
Denver not Deutschendorf.
Cmndr Twyla Eaglefeather, The Good Ship Windsong.
Lusty, not quite Busty but pretty dang Trusty second in command..
JLOVEG
Jean
JLOVEG
serious "friend", but marriage did not come out out of it!
jean
SewPatti
Denver".......It would be alot easier to sign my checks Annie Denver than Annie
Deutschendorf. I would definitely opt for the shorter of the two. IMHO.
Patti
FoxfirePat
>Denver".......It would be alot easier to sign my checks Annie Denver than
Annie
>Deutschendorf.>
I was thinking the same thing. My maiden name is Smith and luckily, my married
name is still only 5 letters long.
pat/CO
No 8 of 9
was registered at Ft. Lewis College as Zachary Deutschendorf. Annie goes by
Denver, but is referred to as Annie Deutschendorf in John's autobiography. I'm
not sure if Denver is her legal or just professional name. As for Jesse Belle,
like the other two, was born with the Deutschendorf name, but referred to as
Jesse Belle Denver on liner notes, etc. John always said the IRS knew him as
Henry John Deutschendorf, Jr. His property tax records state the same.
Just thought I'd add to the confusion.
Cindy
JesseWndsn
where are you finding this stuff?
and I have to ask a question here, because this came up on another mailing list
I was on. Doesn't this bother you? At all? I mean, I don't want to sound
like Kennon or Nid here, but, people,you're digging up his tax records, his
birth certificate, and his driver's license? If the man was still alive, that
would considered stalking. And someone out there has gone to the trouble of
getting the autopsy record. Oh, good, just what I needed...the nitty gritty
details of death in an experimental plane. You know, some knowlege I don't
really want.
Folks, we need to get some perspective on this. I mean, discussing the name
thing...well, that's curiousity. But going through tax records, birth and
death certificates, phone books?
New discussion, where is the line drawn when being a fan? What is acceptable
and what is going over and beyond the call of obsessiveness?
This came up in a group for Mitch Pileggi (Assistant Director Skinner on The X
Files--we'll leave my libido out of this conversation, but I'll say one
word...YUMMY!). Someone posted that she had his home address from his driver's
license. The discussion got lively, to say the least, but it was agreed on
that this was stalking, pure and simple, and a line was crossed. Aren't we
doing that here? And if not, why not? How do we define a "fan" as opposed to
an obsessive?
So, I'm curious. No aspersions, no judgments, no name-calling, just simple
curiosity about this subject. If you want to just email me your answer, that's
fine too. I'm trying to understand something here, not flame anyone.
And I don't know why this suddenly just hit me like a brick between the eyes,
but it did.
valerie, the Lusty, Busty Irish Wench
Queen Hawkeye of the Pirate Vessel, Windsong
Scourge of the known Galaxy
Conqueror of the Unknown Galaxy
Queen of Thieves (pbththth, Autolycus)
MtnMomx3
Valerie,
I have to agree. I wouldn't want anyone to look up all this stuff on me. I
hope the worse people will see my profile on aol. LOL!! Won't find out much.
I feel like John and his family are wonderful people and don't deserve this
kind of stuff.
You brought up a very good point.
I am emailing because I am a lurker. I don't care to post because there are
certain people (trolls) I don't care to deal with.
Thanks for your post! I enjoy you posts always!
Peace and love,
Debby
TwylaEglfr
I went from Wieczhalek to Russell.... when the clerk asked if I planned to
hyphenate my name, I looked at her and burst out laughing.... when she looked
at the name I was shedding.. she said "Oh my, yea dumb question"....
Soooo given the choice... I'd probably go with Denver too.
Kennon Baird
>how do you people come up with all these records? I am amazed. clue me in.
>where are you finding this stuff?
Property tax records, birth certificates, and the like are public
records, and so are open to all. The university information was
evidently published by the respective schools. It doesn't appear that
any laws are being broken.
Is it a little creepy and over-the-line? Yeah, but no more so than
publishing explicit fantasies about John's penis.
KB
TwylaEglfr
>publishing explicit fantasies about John's penis.
Just to clarify KB, and I know you like things clear... it was Meadow Muffin
who wrote the penis fantasy, not Val and Fee. Their posts were never that
sexually explicit.
And I actually happen to agree on that point.
> It doesn't appear that
>any laws are being broken.
That's true. It's not illegal. Too bad too, because I would like the security
to know that my records are my business, and no one elses.
This is a wierd area anyway. I know there will be lots of debate about this,
yeah it's legal, the records are public and all, but... geeeeez there are still
family out there, and I would really feel violated if someone was posting
information that was on tax records (or infering to them) of my dead
husband/son/brother/father what have you. There has to be some point where
enough is enough. And yes, it is creepy.
ASLTsmile
This aspect of digging into John's personal records bothers me as well. It
always has. The man shared enough of his life with us. We should respect the
privacy of the parts he didn't want to share. We all need a little
privacy...even celebrities.
As far as people wanting to read the autopsy report......well, to each their
own I guess. Me, personally......I'd rather remember him the way he was alive
and happy, rather than be haunted by the description of his body when he died.
My own imagination can come up with gruesome (sp?) enough pictures without
reading the gory detail. Thankyouverymuch.
Just my 2 cents yet again.
Peace,
Tricia
LOU
never found it a problem to sign my name to checks or any other document
I had to sign ???????
LuLu
Linda
respond...
Is it creepy, looking up all the public information that can be found about
a person? Maybe. Is it done every day? You betcha. Work in a library for
awhile, and see just how nosy people are.
It is public information, and one of the pesky things about living in a
"free country" (now there's a debate for a rainy day) is that a certain
amount of personal information *is* available about you, whether you're Joe
Blow from Kokomo, or Bill Clinton.
I consider it part of the free speech continuum-- the one that allows people
to post creative fantasies or endless, annoying, nitpicky opinions to a
newsgroup, and allows telemarketers to interrupt my dinner three or four
times a week.
Linda
Laura Gardner
John DENVER was his public persona.
Anything under the name Duetschendor should be considered absolutely
private.
Such as his children at school. Forgive me, I don't mean to sound
blunt, I've done
my share of "peeping". For instance, a phone directory CD program turns
up
an entry for an H.J. Deutschendorf Jr. for Hayward California........
Laura
Kennon Baird
>Just to clarify KB, and I know you like things clear... it was Meadow Muffin
>who wrote the penis fantasy, not Val and Fee.
Oh, yeah...Meadow Muffin. That chick was bonkers. Wonder what
happened to her.
KB
COconnectn
>It is public information, and one of the pesky things about living in a
>"free country" (now there's a debate for a rainy day) is that a certain
>amount of personal information *is* available about you
In most cases many records can be obtained through the proper agencies for a
small fee. In my case, I have access to DMV and law enforcement records,
which makes it very easy to simply type in his name and have the information
appear before me on a computer screen instantly. I also have access to far
more information on him than I will ever tell anyone, but I see no harm in
posting what his height and weight were as well as the legal name on his
drivers license. After his death his name was typed into the system by more
law enforcement agencies than I can tell you, doing a search of the "vital
information" that has been debated here in this very newsgroup for more than a
year now, i.e. "how tall was he"? People are eager to ask and to know, but now
that records have been made available in one way or another and the facts are
becoming known, some find argument with how the information was obtained. I
agree that some public records are far more private than the stats on a
driver's license, and I'm not eager to read an autopsy report, nor do I wish to
see his tax returns or have a copy of his birth certificate. But human
curiosity is natural and there are people who DO want to know. I don't
consider this stalking someone when these records are made available to the
public. Questions were raised as to the legal names of the family members.
Answers were given. If answers aren't wanted here, but rather only
speculation, debates and opinions are asked for, then maybe questions should be
rephrased in the future.
CO
JesseWndsn
That's Kennon's word, not mine. I would not have used the word "creepy." My
word would have been, and is, "invasive." I have great adoration of John
Denver and respect for his music and his talent and his work for the causes he
supported. But, I do not want to know about how and how much he paid in taxes,
and neither do I want to know about the other minutiae of his life. There are
limits. And there are some things, dead or alive, that are invading someone's
space.
I never said any of this was illegal. I am asking to understand why someone
would do it and what the limits are. I am not questioning the legality of
anything, but the morality of the issue. You can look up MY records right now
and find a rather interesting legal situation, but otherwise boring. That
isn't illegal, but is it moral? Do you want this done to you?
And, Linda, you can stop slapping me in the face about the Gutter Club
postings, ok? They're gone, never to polute the newsgroup again. For the
record, Meadow Muffin was never part of our story and should not be lumped in
with Fee and I. That little child was the result of too little lithium and too
much time on its hands. And if you didn't read it, please don't pass judgment
on the story. It's not what you think it was. It was not about sex and the
character of John Denver played a small part in the story.
Let's not confuse the issue. The issue is not about Gutter Club postings or
Meadow Muffins or First Amendment rights. The issue is how far should we go,
as fans, and where do we draw the line? What is fair game and was is none of
our business?
LiteofVega
>The issue is how far should we go,
>as fans, and where do we draw the line? What is fair game and was is none
>of
>our business?
Sort of goes back to the Golden Rule... Do unto others as you would have them
do unto you. What you would want people to know about your very personal life?
IMHO, there is such a thing as "too much information."
Peace,
Mary in Oklahoma
JesseWndsn
>which makes it very easy to simply type in his name and have the information
>appear before me on a computer screen instantly.
In my case, I have access to all of that and more and not just Colorado. I can
look up ANYONE in the CompuServe/AOL database and tell you all the pertinent
information in the world. I also signed a non-disclosure agreement to prevent
me from doing what some people are doing, and that's posting the information
anywhere. I am guessing when I presume they made you do the same. That's an
industry standard.
Again, I'm asking where is the line to be drawn? How much information do you
want out there about you? Yes, human nature is curious, but what about a
person's right to privacy? Ouch, that's an issue being debated on a daily
basis and I doubt that one will ever be solved about a celebrity's right to
privacy. But, as a fan, where do you draw the line?
I'm not here to pass judgment on anyone. If it came across as me being
holier than thou, then I accept the slap on the wrist. I deserve that one.
I'm hardly in a position to play the Saint here, since I'm also the one that
actively looked up the entire Aerosmith band, Stephen Sondheim (Broadway
Playwrite), Terry Gilliam (Monty Python), J. Michael Straczinski (creator of
Babylon 5), Patrick Stewart, and a few others...all members of CompuServe.
But, I don't have their information stored anywhere and I would hardly think of
writing, or calling them, since finding a phone number is easier. I drew a
line for me. And that line was not so easy to cross and there is information
that I don't want or need to know. *I* made that decision for myself. I want
to know about others and where you draw the line and how you came to that
decision. What is acceptable to you?
Simple enough.
COconnectn
>I want
>to know about others and where you draw the line and how you came to that
>decision. What is acceptable to you?
Where I drew the line and what was acceptable for me was to let people know
that he was 5'10" tall and his last name on his license was Deutschendorf.
Robert Reck
Did you ever post his exact height? I'm just wondering because of all the
conflicting answers we got when everyone was speculating. All I know is he
was taller than I, and shorter than my husband.
Colleen
COconnectn wrote in message
<19990302220015...@ng-fs1.aol.com>...
>>From: "Linda" <KMG...@prodigy.net>
>>It is public information, and one of the pesky things about living in a
>>"free country" (now there's a debate for a rainy day) is that a certain
>>amount of personal information *is* available about you
>
>In most cases many records can be obtained through the proper agencies for
a
>small fee. In my case, I have access to DMV and law enforcement records,
>which makes it very easy to simply type in his name and have the
information
JKeenan688
>Oh, yeah...Meadow Muffin. That chick was bonkers. Wonder what
>happened to her.
>
>KB
You retired the name.
kat...@dnai.com
>>Is it a little creepy and over-the-line? Yeah, but no more so than
>>publishing explicit fantasies about John's penis.
>>
>Just to clarify KB, and I know you like things clear... it was Meadow Muffin
>who wrote the penis fantasy, not Val and Fee. Their posts were never that
>sexually explicit.
Um, I beg to differ. I've seen some VERY explicit (not to mention
creepy) fantasies by Valerie, over at Forever John Denver.
Setting the record straight,
Kathy
JDNVR
privileged to have had John as an influential part of my life, it has never
once crossed my mind to even wonder about his height or weight, let alone his
tax records, etc. I purposely even avoided going to Aspen because I knew it
was his home and his haven and I could not have brought myself to invade that.
Even last fall, after he was gone, it felt very strange to be there. I still
felt as though I were trespassing somehow. Yes, I'm thinking about going again
this year, but the scale is evenly balanced against going. Who knows what I'll
decide? John may not be there anymore, but his family is and I would not want
to intrude on their privacy either. I would hate to think that Annie would
feel that she had to either leave town, or shut herself in her home every
October so that she can go forward with her life.
JMHO
Peace
Debbie
jesse windsong
kat...@dnai.com wrote:
> Um, I beg to differ. I've seen some VERY explicit (not to mention
> creepy) fantasies by Valerie, over at Forever John Denver.
>
> Setting the record straight,
> Kathy
see, we have this "reading for context" thing again, kathy/kennon/whoever.
Did you read the part where she pointed out that the "Gutter Club Sagas" were
not sexually explicit? No one said ANYTHING about what's going on in the FJD
community. In fact, I believe--and DejaNews will support me on this, as
always--that I stated that there was a part two to the TradeWinds story that
would not be posted here because it *WAS* sexually explicit.
you've set nothing straight, except your wig. and your stretch pants.
valerie r. williams
"The Wind is a Goddess, that first learned to fly"
--John Denver, "Windsong"--
http://buffs.moviething.com/buffs/whitewitch/index.shtml
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http://www.dejanews.com/ Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own
No 8 of 9
Deutschendorf and VOILA! No stalking involved. Heck, have any of you looked
up a member profile on AOL? Same sorta thing. Every source mentioned was
PUBLIC docs. such as newspapers (as in sports section for Dartmouth and Ft.
Lewis), and like I said before, his autobiography.
This is one of the main reasons I rarely post to this group anymore. I post
something for the fun of it and all I get back is a bunch of petty bickering
and name-calling.
Adios
fgos...@infoave.net
one, Keenon?
Dot
In South Carolina
In article <19990303092831...@ng04.aol.com>,
-----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----------
CountryRoads aka "Lucy"
Val and Fee did not post sexually explicit fantasies IN THIS NG. What Val
posts on her web page is her business. If you don't like it, don't read
it. :)
Lucy
Really setting the record straight :)
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kat...@dnai.com wrote in article <36dd59f0...@news3.dnai.com>...
JesseWndsn
>name
>Deutschendorf and VOILA! No stalking involved.
I'm sorry you misunderstood the posting. No one has passed judgment on you or
what you posted. If you feel that way, I am truly sorry for the message, but
that is not what I said. Again, I am not focusing on whether the information
was obtained illegally, but whether it is moral to do so. And I'll sweeten the
pot.
A comment was made, via a very reliable source who's name I have promised to
not reveal, that John Denver HATED the idea of the internet because anything he
did was immediately posted and discussed to the infinite degree. Now, whether
or not he would have approved of this sort of thing, we'll never know, but that
kind of statement leads me to believe that he would not have.
It's not a question of what I can and cannot do, or whether it's legal or not
for me to do it. It's a question of whether I should. How much information is
too much? And, I'm not going to repeat the questions again....go read them.
>This is one of the main reasons I rarely post to this group anymore. I post
>something for the fun of it and all I get back is a bunch of petty bickering
>and name-calling.
>
>
No one's called you any names, and there has been no "petty bickering." No
judgment has been passed on what you posted nor on you for posting it.
I hope you will reconsider the decision.
JesseWndsn
>one, Keenon?
Hey, Dot, let me help you out here, before the Captain has a hissy. He nailed
ME on this one....
Kennon!!!! Not to be confused with Joe KEENAN. The Captain gets a
little....oh, shall we say PO'ed about that. Little thing to you and I, but a
source of irritation. I try not to PO the Captain. He's too quick with the
champagne and the troll squishing, saving the honor of the Ladies in Waiting.
Just to help you out, darling.
JKeenan688
>
>>Remember the spelling on that
>>one, Keenon?
>
>Hey, Dot, let me help you out here, before the Captain has a hissy. He
>nailed
>ME on this one....
>
>Kennon!!!! Not to be confused with Joe KEENAN. The Captain gets a
>little....oh, shall we say PO'ed about that. Little thing to you and I, but
>a
>source of irritation. I try not to PO the Captain. He's too quick with the
>champagne and the troll squishing, saving the honor of the Ladies in Waiting.
>
>
>Just to help you out, darling.
The Captain sheathes his scabbard. Fair enough, he thinks, Val has seen the
ungawdly typo. All is forgiven :)
jesse windsong
"CountryRoads aka \"Lucy\"" <nos...@nospam.onenet> wrote:
> A further clarification:
>
> Val and Fee did not post sexually explicit fantasies IN THIS NG. What Val
> posts on her web page is her business. If you don't like it, don't read
> it. :)
>
> Lucy
> Really setting the record straight :)
gotta remember to keep the Coors Light nice and stocked and cold for this
lady.
valerie r. williams (very grateful for Lucy)
"The Wind is a Goddess, that first learned to fly"
--John Denver, "Windsong"--
http://buffs.moviething.com/buffs/whitewitch/index.shtml
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jesse windsong
jkeen...@aol.com (JKeenan688) wrote:
>
> The Captain sheathes his scabbard. Fair enough, he thinks, Val has seen the
> ungawdly typo. All is forgiven :)
>
>
giggle, giggle. but, of course, my love. I always take care of the Dashing
and Handsome Captain of the Guard. ALWAYS.
giggle, giggle.
valerie r. williams
fgos...@infoave.net
I had made it until I saw it later on. My first thought was "oh no" and then
"help"!!
Dot
In South Carolina
In article <19990303201356...@ng-fb1.aol.com>,
jesse...@aol.com (JesseWndsn) wrote:
> >Remember the spelling on that
> >one, Keenon?
>
> Hey, Dot, let me help you out here, before the Captain has a hissy. He nailed
> ME on this one....
>
> Kennon!!!! Not to be confused with Joe KEENAN. The Captain gets a
> little....oh, shall we say PO'ed about that. Little thing to you and I, but a
> source of irritation. I try not to PO the Captain. He's too quick with the
> champagne and the troll squishing, saving the honor of the Ladies in Waiting.
>
> Just to help you out, darling.
>
> valerie, the Lusty, Busty Irish Wench
> Queen Hawkeye of the Pirate Vessel, Windsong
> Scourge of the known Galaxy
> Conqueror of the Unknown Galaxy
> Queen of Thieves (pbththth, Autolycus)
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Whsprnjsse
Hey, anything I can do for a sister. And the Captain took it well, don't you
think? He's calm again...my job also.
giggle, giggle....
valerie r. williams
aka, jesse...@aol.com
"The wind is a Goddess, that first learned to fly."
--John Denver, 'Windsong'--
kat...@dnai.com
>In article <36dd59f0...@news3.dnai.com>,
> kat...@dnai.com wrote:
>
>> Um, I beg to differ. I've seen some VERY explicit (not to mention
>> creepy) fantasies by Valerie, over at Forever John Denver.
>>
>> Setting the record straight,
>> Kathy
>
>see, we have this "reading for context" thing again, kathy/kennon/whoever.
(sigh) *You're* the witch here, can't your occult powers discern that
I am me, Kathy, and I am not anyone else?
Evidently not, you're too busy manufacturing your fantasies of someone
who isn't around to defend himself.
>Did you read the part where she pointed out that the "Gutter Club Sagas" were
>not sexually explicit? No one said ANYTHING about what's going on in the FJD
>community.
An assertion was made that no one had written anything "explicit"
about John, save Meadow Muffin. I asserted that to the contrary, you
have posted stuff that is quite explicit. It's on the Net and anyone
can read it.
>In fact, I believe--and DejaNews will support me on this, as
>always--that I stated that there was a part two to the TradeWinds story that
>would not be posted here because it *WAS* sexually explicit.
The point is not WHERE you posted it. The point is that you DID post
it, and that others in this forum denied that such a thing has ever
happened. So I just thought I would set matters straight.
>you've set nothing straight, except your wig. and your stretch pants.
No wig, real hair. I cover the grey with some tint like any other
woman would do, but that's about it. And no stretch pants, either.
Really, Valerie, do a little "divination" and figure out that I am not
Kennon. You are coming off as rather silly, when you accuse me of
being someone else.
Kathy
kat...@dnai.com
>A further clarification:
>
>Val and Fee did not post sexually explicit fantasies IN THIS NG. What Val
>posts on her web page is her business.
What Val posts on Deja News is EVERYONE'S business. Anyone can go
there and read it. It's just as public as this NG.
But do you mean there's MORE on her web page? Hey, I can't wait!
Enquiring mind,
Kathy
JesseWndsn
>I am me, Kathy, and I am not anyone else?
Yes, and contrary to what you might think, being a Witch has nothing to do with
ESP, divination, or the occult. You'd know that if you either did a little
homework and read a book or two, possible spoke with someone and asked
questions...you know, LEARN about the subject.
>Evidently not, you're too busy manufacturing your fantasies of someone
>who isn't around to defend himself.
>
Speaking of fantasies....
>An assertion was made that no one had written anything "explicit"
>about John, save Meadow Muffin. I asserted that to the contrary, you
>have posted stuff that is quite explicit. It's on the Net and anyone
>can read it.
Why don't you spend some time reading for context.
>The point is not WHERE you posted it.
No, that was the point.
>Really, Valerie, do a little "divination" and figure out that I am not
>Kennon. You are coming off as rather silly, when you accuse me of
>being someone else.
Kathy...pot...kettle...black. Now, who's coming off silly?
And, when you stop coming to Kennon's rescue when he gets stuck for a plot
point, the rest of us might actually believe you aren't Victor/Victoria in
disquise.
Although, the way you seem to enjoy torturing others here, it's kind of funny
to watch something crawl under your skin...in a morbid sort of way.
Damn, you're right, Joe, peace and love...and song....
The wind is the whisper of our Mother, the Earth...
The wind is the hand of our Father, the sky...
The wind watchs over our struggles and pleasures...
The wind is a Goddess that first learned to fly...
Come, Kathy/Kennon/who-cares, sing...you know this one...
JesseWndsn
>there and read it. It's just as public as this NG.
yes it is...and I believe it has been posted several times that this is where
the Gutter Clubs Sagas, and The Gutter Club itself, have moved to. So, the
only ones coming there are those who want to read them. I presume you fall in
that category? Fee and I are flattered.
>But do you mean there's MORE on her web page? Hey, I can't wait!
>
Giggle, giggle....so much more, darling. So much more....
CountryRoads aka "Lucy"
earlier post DON"T READ IT if you don't like it. Same goes for here in the
ng.
I think Joe is right - you and KB are the same person! You're both
incredibly negative.
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CarolMed
the gutter posts! If you don't like it, don't read them. They are clearly
marked.
kat...@dnai.com
>So you're making an effort to go and read Deja News? Like I said in my
>earlier post DON"T READ IT if you don't like it. Same goes for here in the
>ng.
It's a free country, and an even freer Internet. Mind your own
business -- I surf where I like.
>I think Joe is right - you and KB are the same person! You're both
>incredibly negative.
You sound pretty negative, yourself, Lucy.
Kathy
(not Kennon)
kat...@dnai.com
Hey, people read the Star and the National Enquirer for Truly
Unbelievable Stories. Why spend extra money when you can go to the
Internet and read even *more* truly unbelievable stories?
Like I said to Lucy, it's a free country and a freer Internet. If you
think someone who exercises their freedom is an "idiot", then you're
even more small-minded than I thought you were.
Kathy
kat...@dnai.com
>>sigh) *You're* the witch here, can't your occult powers discern that
>>I am me, Kathy, and I am not anyone else?
>
>Yes, and contrary to what you might think, being a Witch has nothing to do with
>ESP, divination, or the occult. You'd know that if you either did a little
>homework and read a book or two, possible spoke with someone and asked
>questions...you know, LEARN about the subject.
I happen to know quite a lot about Wicca, and come from a long line of
proud pagans. Are you telling me that witches *never* attempt to
perform divination? I beg to differ.
>Kathy...pot...kettle...black. Now, who's coming off silly?
...coming to you directly from the Joe Keenan Guide To Ad Hominem
Attacks. For all the creativity you display in your damp fantasies,
you are sure stuck in a rut when it comes to argument.
>And, when you stop coming to Kennon's rescue when he gets stuck for a plot
>point, the rest of us might actually believe you aren't Victor/Victoria in
>disquise.
You have "rescue" and "have an opinion on the topic" confused. I
really don't give a damn if you want to persist in believing something
completely ridiculous, though.
>Although, the way you seem to enjoy torturing others here, it's kind of funny
>to watch something crawl under your skin...in a morbid sort of way.
Wow, I had no idea that having a differing opinion and stating it
translated to "torture" in your mind. How in the world do you deal
with life when it isn't exactly the way you think it should be?
>Damn, you're right, Joe, peace and love...and song....
Nope, you're both wrong. But if it makes you feel better to think
that there is just one person who doesn't buy The Myth Of Saint John
"Francis" Denver, rather than two, who am I to deny you small
comforts?
>The wind is the whisper of our Mother, the Earth...
>The wind is the hand of our Father, the sky...
>The wind watchs over our struggles and pleasures...
>The wind is a Goddess that first learned to fly...
>Come, Kathy/Kennon/who-cares, sing...you know this one...
Life is a cabaret, old chum
Come to the cabaret
Come on, Val, lighten up and sing along...
Kathy
Blessed be
JKeenan688
>Attacks. For all the creativity you display in your damp fantasies,
>you are sure stuck in a rut when it comes to argument.
>
Defending or explaining an opinion by stating the above would seem to be a page
out of that same "guide". Perhaps I should have you write a forward to the next
printing.
>
>>And, when you stop coming to Kennon's rescue when he gets stuck for a plot
>>point, the rest of us might actually believe you aren't Victor/Victoria in
>>disquise.
>
>You have "rescue" and "have an opinion on the topic" confused. I
>really don't give a damn if you want to persist in believing something
>completely ridiculous, though.
Please, most of the time...make that the ONLY time you seem to post here is to
defend or "rescue" KB. Hence the conclusion based on circumstancial evidence
such as similar addresses, similar misspellings, and way too similar opinions
that you are one and the same. Perhaps we are wrong. I just wouldn't bet on it.
>
>Nope, you're both wrong. But if it makes you feel better to think
>that there is just one person who doesn't buy The Myth Of Saint John
>"Francis" Denver, rather than two, who am I to deny you small
>comforts?
>
No, there is plenty of people who didn't care for JD or his "myth" or "image"
or public persona. An equal number didn't care for his belief systems or
causes. Frankly, there is plenty about John that I didn't agree with. But there
is plenty that I did. Hence, I visit here as a "fan". Pray tell, why would you
and Kennon continue to come here if you are not fans?
JKeenan688
>Date: 3/8/99 9:09 AM Central Standard Time
I don't think Otter needs to mind their own business, Kathy. You posted here
that you read Val's postings on her DejaNews site. You posted a criticism of
these postings. Otter is simply responding to your post.
It means you had to go out of your way to find and read what you don't seem to
like. What's the point? To "ejucaite" yourself? No one should tell you what to
read (I agree it's a "free country"). But Otter simply said "don't read it if
you don't like it". Hardly telling you not to read it.
I love the way you and KB (oops, that would be admitting there really is two of
you) twist words and sentence taken out of context to fit your point of view. I
really think I should submit the manuscript of my "guide" to you for that
forward. Heck, perhaps you could rewrite it--your good at rewriting posts here.
JesseWndsn
>proud pagans. Are you telling me that witches *never* attempt to
>perform divination? I beg to differ.
good, at least you're learning humility. now, go back and re-read what I said
and figure it out. and if you're such a fam-trad, then you already know the
answer. good try.
>For all the creativity you display in your damp fantasies,
>you are sure stuck in a rut when it comes to argument.
when you present an informed argument, I'll respond in kind. as the saying
goes, I refuse to enter into a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent.
>Life is a cabaret, old chum
>Come to the cabaret
>
>Come on, Val, lighten up and sing along...
ok. you'll have to forgive me if I sing along phonetically, I'm not up on my
German and French....
Wilkommen, Bienvenu, Welcome
Fremder, Estranger, Stranger...
Gluclich zu zien, Je suis enchante, Happy to see you
Bleibe, Reste, Stay...
Wilkommen, Beinvenue, Welcome
En Cabaret, Au Cabaret, To Cabaret...
Mein dammen und herren, Madames et messuers, Ladies and Gentlemen...
good enough for ya, darling???? Or, perhaps you'd like....
Everything has a season
Everything has a time
Show me a reason and I'll soon show you a rhyme
Cats fit on the windowsill
Children fit in the snow
Why do I feel I don't fit in anywhere I go?
Rivers belong where they can ramble
Eagles belong where they can fly
I've got to be where my spirit can run free
Gotta find my corner of the sky
OR....
Caught a bus in Amarilla
It was headed for San Antone
Had a brand new cardboard suitcase
And a windowseat alone
And I thought that I was something
And I dreamed I'd travel far
Maybe be a resturant hostess
Maybe be a movie star
And the bus from Amarilla
Chased a train along the track
And I never looked behind me
"Cause I wasn't coming back
I had a one way ticket to nowhere
I was finally traveling free
I had a one way ticket to go where
Anything was possible for me....
Come on, Kathy, pick a show...any show...since you're hell bent for leather to
prove that you and Kennon aren't joined at the hip or in the
stretchpants...since you know ever so much more about Wicca than anyone else on
the planet and live they the Rede.
MM,
JesseWndsn
still fun, but it's not.
I'll let the broad stew in her own "homegrown tomato" sauce if you'll join me.
Personally, I'm bored. I'm thinking, Tahiti, pina coladas, you and me, beach,
you and me, sun, sand, surf, you and me.
what say?
Fiona or Ezza
JesseWndsn wrote:
> You know what, darling...this is a lost cause and I wish I could say it was
> still fun, but it's not.
>
> I'll let the broad stew in her own "homegrown tomato" sauce if you'll join me.
> Personally, I'm bored. I'm thinking, Tahiti, pina coladas, you and me, beach,
> you and me, sun, sand, surf, you and me.
>
> what say?
ooh! ooh! ooh! me too! me too! Please? I promise to bring my Duncan clone and you
can have Peter...oops, Methos. Joe won't mind will he? I mean if I'm sharing an'
all.
lotsa love Queen Fee <cos Fiona's a good girl> <only alter egos invited>
JKeenan688
start working on that tan right now. And Fiona can meet us there since it's
pratically in her backyard.
CountryRoads aka "Lucy"
--
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> You sound pretty negative, yourself, Lucy.
>
statement without backing it up with facts.
You're previous posts complained of the gutter club postings in the ng. I
stated that you should not read them if they are offensive to you. In the
same vein, I chose not to read National Enquirer or Harold Robbins or
Jacqueline Suzanne for that matter because I don't want to not to mention
the literary quality has much to be desired. No one is forcing you to
remain in the ng nor are they forcing you to read postings you say you find
offensive. I don't like NBA basketball but I'll be darned if I would
invade a B-ball ng and post my dislike for various players.
I feel sorry for you that you have to respond with such negativity. It is
evident from the postings regarding the troll explanation that you and KB
share either the same mind or perhaps the same household.
If it's so bad here then leave. I don't see a gun at your head forcing you
to remain. You are correct. It is a free country . . . well, within
limits anyway and you are free to leave anytime you like.
Lucy
JesseWndsn
>you
>can have Peter...oops, Methos.
oooooo, Majesty....let's!
>Joe won't mind will he?
I think he's busy with the new serving girls and won't miss me at all. at
least, he never does anymore. <whimper, whimper>
Come, Majesty, I have arranged a plane. We're off!
valerie r. williams
"The wind is the whisper of our Mother, the Earth
The wind is the hand of our Father, the sky
The wind watches over our struggles and pleasures
The wind is a Goddess that first learned to fly."
--John Denver, 'Windsong'--
JesseWndsn
>>proud pagans. Are you telling me that witches *never* attempt to
>>perform divination? I beg to differ.
And I have another posting to add. I've thought about this for a while, and
since you are more informed that most, this will be for the others who are
moderately curious.
To say that Wiccans (or Witches) never practice divination would be to deny
that divination in ANY religion exists. Divination is not exclusive to any
one sect or belief. The Shinto Priests have practiced it, the Essenes, the
Knight's Templar and yes, even the elusive Illuminati that everyone seems to
think is a myth, but in reality, is not. So, yes, Wiccans do practice
divination. But is that the religion?
No. It is not. For every one Wiccan you know who believes in divination, I
can produce another who does not. It is not the religion of Wicca as it is not
the religion of Christianity or Bhuddism or Tao or Native American Spirituality
or any other you can name.
Wicca is a religion based on Goddess worship and the seasons and Nature,
herself. It is a religion that revolves around the seasons, the tides, the
solstices and the equinoxes. We recognize and believe in a power far beyond
ourselves. We believe that this Power chooses to manifest itself in many faces
and with many names. We believe that these are the Goddesses and Gods of the
differing pantheons and we worship the Old Ones as part of that True Power.
We are polytheistic--worshipping more than one Deity and believe that the Gods
are many. We believe in animism, in that all things are created with a spirit
and soul. We believe in the true concept of the Gods as a part of us, living
with in us and around us. When I say I am Goddess, I am not elevating myself
beyond my worth, but celebrating in the sense of Her within me.
So, to answer your question, Kathy, no, many do not. Many do. It is a part of
Wicca but it is not the whole. And it is not Wicca. And never has been.
JesseWndsn
>start working on that tan right now. And Fiona can meet us there since it's
>pratically in her backyard.
ok, I'm game...I suppose I shall have to work on the stairmaster to get back
into shape for the Captain....gotta fit back in that Speedo!
JDNVR
I want to thank you for your post giving a little bit of knowledge about your
beliefs to those of us who are ignorant of that. I still have the list of
books that you sent to me and had hoped to het into them this week over spring
break. So far though, my fibromyalgia has made all but impossible for me to
even get out of bed, or walk, so I'm pretty much reading whatever I can reach
on my nightstand, or can get brought to me by my wonderful hubby or miracle of
a son. But I appreciate sincere knowledge in any form and particularly this
knowledge.
Maybe some will think that I should have sent this to vie private e-mail, but I
felt that I wanted you to know that you have spritual support out here, even
if, after I read those books to recommended, that I end up not entirely
agreeing with you, I still support your right to believe it and I support you
personally. You are quickly turning into another miracle gift in my life. But
that I will talk to you about another time.
Whatever positions you have left for the road tour of the TeaMobile I would
like to volunteer for. I'm particularly good and driving and navigating
(although I do sometime tend to end up in Colorado without meaning to! LOL -
you might have to send someone to keep an eye on me!) But, if that job is not
open I would be honored to serve wherever the Holy TeaBag would have me!
Peace my dear friends
Debbie
Whsprnjsse
or form. Wicca is NOT for everyone. I will be the first person to admit and
state that. But, if the knowing helps you find your path, whatever that may
be, then that is what matters. There is a saying, "The Truth is one, the Paths
are many." And, in the end, I'm finding that all religions have the same
principals of treating others as you would want to be treated, respecting life
in any form, and striving to live as a good person. In the end, that's really
all that matters.
And one more thing...being good and loving to each other, because we truly are
all we have.
>Whatever positions you have left for the road tour of the TeaMobile I would
>like to volunteer for. I'm particularly good and driving and navigating
You know, I'm gonna keep Jim and Twyla busy as Tartarus working on that PR, so,
looks like I'm gonna need a driver.
You're hired!
valerie r. williams
aka, jesse...@aol.com
"The wind is a Goddess, that first learned to fly."
--John Denver, 'Windsong'--
JDNVR
>
>You're hired!
YAAAAY!!! I'll bring all of my JD tapes!!
Debbie
kat...@dnai.com
>You are correct. It is a free country . . . well, within
>limits anyway and you are free to leave anytime you like.
And so are you.
Kathy
Jim Hamp
> "CountryRoads aka \"Lucy\"" <nos...@nospam.onenet> wrote:
>
> >So you're making an effort to go and read Deja News? Like I said in my
> >earlier post DON"T READ IT if you don't like it. Same goes for here in the
> >ng.
>
> It's a free country, and an even freer Internet. Mind your own
> business -- I surf where I like.
>
Or in this case, obviously, you surf where you *don't* like, which was
Lucy's point.
Jim