Bucky Fuller Dome at Windstar
edanddee
was being cut up and sold off in chunks. I thought that the original dome
that was put on the Windstar land was dismantled and sent to a university.
Is this the dome that is supposedly being cut up and sold off?
Dee
Diamondsnstones
dome had been dismantled years ago and was stored at a private residence. It
is the one being cut up and I was under the impression it was to be given to
the attendees along with a plaque and a picture of John to make a souvineer of
their visit this year. I don't think there is a separate charge but there very
well may be. It is strange that I saw a dome badly in need of repair at W the
last time I was there. But yes it is
Bucky's dome.
Claudia Levesque
This is from the Windstar site:
"A Piece of Windstar History"
The Windstar Foundation will offer visitors an opportunity to create a wonderful memento, "A Piece of Windstar History," at this year's
Windstar October Celebration.Sections cut from the original 25-foot biodome, later known as Bucky's Dome, and a photo of Windstar cofounder John Denver, along with other materials, will be available to make a small plaque, a unique souvenir for the event.
What can I say...........
Claudia
otter
"...will be available..."? For a small sum, perhaps?
Just wondering, Gloriq
Diamondsnstones
Christine Moon
(it was already gone when I first visited the land in 1995). I don't know
where the parts have been all these years. From what I read on Windstar's
website, a small piece of this dome, together with a small photo of John in
the dome and "other materials" to make a plaque, are included with the
admission/membership fee on the Sunday, or free to people who are already
members.
There is a smaller, unglazed, dome at the site - that one was restored a
couple years ago as it had become very shabby.
--
Peace,
Christine
chri...@fojd.org.uk
www.fojd.org.uk
"edanddee" <ebd...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> Why not, Next they will sell the dirt off the land.
>
> >
> >"...will be available..."? For a small sum, perhaps?
> >
> >Just wondering, Gloriq
For $35.oo and your name has to to have a q in it so Gloriq your in luck!
Tediqure ----hey maybe I should write them too!
Claudia Levesque
Best to you,
Claudia LevesQue.
Diamondsnstones
Diamondsnstones
says I am in luck. SuziQue.
>
>>For $35.oo and your name has to to have a q in it so Gloriq your in luck!
>> Tediqure ----hey maybe I should write them too!
>>
>
>
>Well, I'll be damned...... so am I...... "in luck," that is........
>
>
>Best to you,
>
>
>Claudia LevesQue.
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>capn...@hotmail.com wrote:
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>diamond...@aol.com (Diamondsnstones) wrote in message
>news:<20030908012604...@mb-m18.aol.com>...
> <blockquote type="cite"> Why not, Next they will sell the dirt off the
>land.
>
> <blockquote type="cite"> "...will be available..."? For a small
>sum, perhaps?
>
>Just wondering, Gloriq
> </blockquote> </blockquote> <!---->
>For $35.oo and your name has to to have a q in it so Gloriq your in luck!
> Tediqure ----hey maybe I should write them
>too!</blockquote>
The Goddess in Tennis Shoes
>
>
>Best to you,
>
>
>Claudia LevesQue.
<sigh> ok, changing the name to J. W. Qoffey
peace,
jesse
http://www.thecoffeyhouse.net
http://Writing.Com/authors/jwcoffey
A slice of entertainment that comes with a great cuppa joe!
Two brothers search for their father's murderer...if they don't kill each other
in the process.
edanddee
"Claudia Levesque" <c...@reach.net> wrote in message news:vlnk5o4...@corp.supernews.com...What can I say...........Well, what I would like to say is... this is one of the cheesiest things these knuckleheads have come upwith so far and it's a good dang thing that John ain't around to see it.
Dee
R Stevens
Barb in CT
"Diamondsnstones" <diamond...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Claudia Levesque
edanddee wrote:
"Claudia Levesque" <c...@reach.net> wrote in message news:vlnk5o4...@corp.supernews.com...What can I say...........
Well, what I would like to say is... this is one of the cheesiest things these knuckleheads have come upwith so far and it's a good dang thing that John ain't around to see it.Dee
Claudia
Claudia Levesque
R Stevens wrote:
And I am Barbie-que!
<GROAN> (But cute....)
Claudia ((o:
R Stevens
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Virtugal
I am trying not to confuse the Hobbit. Small minds you know!!!!
Virtugal
R Stevens
one and I refuse to ever use it again. Dick feels if we burn it for awhile
it will be just fine--but I refuse to ever eat off it again. Still want to
come to a barbecue anyone? LOL
Barb
"Virtugal" <virt...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Claudia Levesque
R Stevens wrote:
Sure--if we ever get a new grill! We have had mice living in our very old one and I refuse to ever use it again. Dick feels if we burn it for awhile it will be just fine--but I refuse to ever eat off it again. Still want to come to a barbecue anyone? LOL Barb
Best to you,
Claudia (o;
Virtugal
wholeheartedly. But just wait I am sure that someone will come up with yet
another really tacky idea. They seem to specialize in them.
>
> What can I say...........
>
> Well, what I would like to say is... this is one of the cheesiest =
>things these knuckleheads have come up
> with so far and it's a good dang thing that John ain't around to see =
>it. =20
> Dee
>
>
> Hi Dee,
>
> edanddee wrote:
>
>Under the Windstar trail <g>.......someone said that the Bucky Fuller =
>dome
>was being cut up and sold off in chunks. I thought that the original =
>dome
>that was put on the Windstar land was dismantled and sent to a =
>university.
>Is this the dome that is supposedly being cut up and sold off?
>
>Dee
>
>
> I must say that I like what you had thought to have taken place a =
>whole lot better than the actuality.
>
>
> This is from the Windstar site:
>
>
>
> "A Piece of Windstar History"
>
> The Windstar Foundation will offer visitors an opportunity to create =
>a wonderful memento, "A Piece of Windstar History," at this year's=20
> Windstar October Celebration.=20
>
> Sections cut from the original 25-foot biodome, later known as =
>Bucky's Dome, and a photo of Windstar cofounder John Denver, along with =
>other materials, will be available to make a small plaque, a unique =
>souvenir for the event.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> =20
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>=BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV>"Claudia Levesque"
><<A=20 href=3D"mailto:c...@reach.net">c...@reach.net> wrote in message =<A=20
>=href=3D"news:vlnk5o4...@corp.supernews.com">news:vlnk5o4lrr711b@corp
.=supernews.com...</DIV>
><DIV> </DIV> <DIV>What can I say...........
></DIV> <DIV>Well, what I would like to say is... this is one =of the=20
>cheesiest things these knuckleheads have come up</DIV> <DIV>with so far and
>it's a good dang thing that John =ain't=20 around to see it.
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>MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"><FONT=20 size=3D2>Dee <DIV>
></DIV>Hi Dee,
>
>edanddee wrote:
> <BLOCKQUOTE cite=3D"midVbO6b.1791$o6....@bignews1.bellsouth.net"
>=type=3D"cite">Under the Windstar trail =
><g>.......someone said that the Bucky Fuller dome
>was being cut up and sold off in chunks. I thought that the original =
>dome
>that was put on the Windstar land was dismantled and sent to a =
>university.
>Is this the dome that is supposedly being cut up and sold off?
>
>Dee</BLOCKQUOTE>
>I must say that I like what you had =thought to=20 have taken place a whole
>lot better than the =actuality.
>
>
>This is=20 from the Windstar site:
>
>
> <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"> <FONT=20 color=3D#336633>"A Piece of
>Windstar =History"
>
><FONT=20 color=3D#336633>The Windstar Foundation will offer visitors an
>=opportunity to=20 create a wonderful memento, "A Piece of Windstar
>History," at this =year's=20
>Windstar October Celebration. Sections cut from the =original 25-foot=20
>biodome, later known as Bucky's Dome, and a photo of Windstar =cofounder
>John=20 Denver, along with other materials, will be available to make a
>=small=20 plaque, a unique souvenir for the=20 event.</BLOCKQUOTE>
Virtugal
perhaps but not surprised.
>
>That's what I would like to say as well. Almost takes your breath away,
>doesn't it? Tacky beyond belief...... and it makes me extremely sad.
>
>
>Claudia
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>> Hi Dee,
>>
>> edanddee wrote:
>>
>>>Under the Windstar trail <g>.......someone said that the Bucky Fuller dome
>>>was being cut up and sold off in chunks. I thought that the original dome
>>>that was put on the Windstar land was dismantled and sent to a university.
>>>Is this the dome that is supposedly being cut up and sold off?
>>>
>>>Dee
>>>
>>
>>
>> I must say that I like what you had thought to have taken place a
>> whole lot better than the actuality.
>>
>>
>> This is from the Windstar site:
>>
>>
>>> "A Piece of Windstar History"
>>>
>>> The Windstar Foundation will offer visitors an opportunity to
>>> create a wonderful memento, "A Piece of Windstar History," at
>>> this year's
>>> Windstar October Celebration.
>>>
>>> Sections cut from the original 25-foot biodome, later known as
>>> Bucky's Dome, and a photo of Windstar cofounder John Denver,
>>> along with other materials, will be available to make a small
>>> plaque, a unique souvenir for the event.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
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><head> <title></title></head>Hi Dee.....
>
>edanddee wrote:
><blockquote type="cite" cite="midun97b.260$wu1...@bignews4.bellsouth.net">
><title></title> <style></style> <div> </div> <blockquote dir="ltr"
>style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(0, 0, 0); padding-right: 0px; padding-left:
>5px; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px;"> <div>"Claudia Levesque"
><c...@reach.net>wrote in message
>news:vlnk5o4...@corp.supernews.com...</div> <div> </div> <div>What
>can I say...........</div> </blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"
>cite="midun97b.260$wu1...@bignews4.bellsouth.net"> <blockquote dir="ltr"
>style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(0, 0, 0); padding-right: 0px; padding-left:
>5px; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px;"> <div>
> </div> <div>Well, what I would like to say is... this isone of the
>cheesiest things these knuckleheads have come up</div> <div>with so far
>and it's a good dang thing thatJohn ain't around to see it. </div>
></blockquote> <blockquote dir="ltr" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(0, 0,
>0); padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; margin-right:
>0px;">Dee</blockquote></blockquote>
>That's what I would like to say as well. Almost takes your breathaway,
>doesn't it? Tacky beyond belief...... and it makes me extremelysad.
>
>
>Claudia
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
><blockquote type="cite" cite="midun97b.260$wu1...@bignews4.bellsouth.net">
><blockquote dir="ltr" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(0, 0, 0);
>padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px;">
><div>
> </div>Hi Dee,
>
>edanddee wrote:
> <blockquote cite="midVbO6b.1791$o6....@bignews1.bellsouth.net"
>type="cite"> Under the Windstar trail <g>.......someone said that the
>Bucky Fuller dome
>was being cut up and sold off in chunks. I thought that the original dome
>that was put on the Windstar land was dismantled and sent to a university.
>Is this the dome that is supposedly being cut up and sold off?
>
>Dee </blockquote>
Diamondsnstones
but I am having such a good time with that word. Want anyone else called a
twit?
The Goddess in Tennis Shoes
oooh SuziQue, baby I love you...
;-)
The Goddess in Tennis Shoes
>Rodent Roast in their back yard, and we are all invited...
I'll bring the Rat-atouille!!
The Goddess in Tennis Shoes
hmmm....J. R. R Qofffey. has a nice ring to it.
edanddee
original
> dome had been dismantled years ago and was stored at a private residence
Do we know whose private residence it was stored at? I really do seem to
remember
something being printed in one of those Windstar newsletters about the
original dome
being dismantled and maybe being sent to a university....but maybe that was
just another
one of those little fantasies that they hoped everyone would buy
into.....just like so many of the other ones that whoever it was that was
really running the show tried to make us believe in.
Poor John.....heart in the right place.......but not so true with those that
were sucking up to him and trying to take advantage of him sometimes.
Dee
"Diamondsnstones" <diamond...@aol.com> wrote in message
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. It
> is the one being cut up and I was under the impression it was to be given
to
> the attendees along with a plaque and a picture of John to make a
souvineer of
> their visit this year. I don't think there is a separate charge but there
very
> well may be. But yes it is
Diamondsnstones
heard this particular story. There are so many stories running around. sue
Since I keep getting told that what I know for facts are wrong and have been
called a liar I left that subject to show itself for what it is.
Diamondsnstones
Diamondsnstones
edanddee
> couple years ago as it had become very shabby.
Yes, and I hope that first-time visitors to the site do not get this
confused with the
original and are disappointed by what they find there. I remember being a
little disappointed that this was what was put there in the place of the
original one. Also would like for those who
are coming to Aspen or to Windstar for the first time to realize that
neither one of these places
are the same places that John so lovingly supported and sang about when he
first went there.
Still beautiful......still places that are special.....but different
somehow.......maybe because it is lacking the spirit that John and others
like him brought to the place for a short time....and has
been replaced with something all to familier
Peace, my friend,
Dee
"Christine Moon" <chri...@fojd.org.uk> wrote in message
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> I understand it's the original, large, dome that was dismantled years ago
> (it was already gone when I first visited the land in 1995). I don't know
> where the parts have been all these years. From what I read on Windstar's
> website, a small piece of this dome, together with a small photo of John
in
> the dome and "other materials" to make a plaque, are included with the
> admission/membership fee on the Sunday, or free to people who are already
> members.
>
>
Diamondsnstones
so it would be a wonderful tribute and a lasting one. It went away with no
explanation,, I guess so that on this year it could be chopped up and given or
sold to those who want to pay money to enter these grounds which once meant so
much to John.
Hey did you notice that we agree on something? FAR OUT
R Stevens
Barbie-que
"The Goddess in Tennis Shoes" <jessew...@aol.comnovels> wrote in message
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R Stevens
EmmaLdy
I heard a rumor that if you pay $70, then you get a chunk of the dome, a glossy
photo framed, a dead flower he took a picture of once, an old newspaper he once
read, and for the VIP ticket (please inquire for price), you get one of his eye
lashes, found on the premises of course.
emma
Diamondsnstones
and that his family kept the places that he was spread a secret. Cremains
would have been a part of that scenerio I am sure but the price would have gone
up to at least 100 dollars for an ash. These rumors are certainly rampant
aren't they but what is the saying, In every rumor there is some truth. You
just might have to look hard and meditate on it to find that truth. Peace Sue
Diamondsnstones
EmmaLdy
But if you'd really like to learn about the dome when it was "alive" and what
it's purpose and meaning was, you can find that at Bucky's web site.
He was such a cool dude.
http://www.bfi.org/domes/index.htm
emma
Diamondsnstones
botanical tropical gardens. The dome is huge and it has been there for a great
many years, far longer than the one that was at W. Therefore I think that that
one could have been saved for a great many years. Sue
EmmaLdy
>the
>botanical tropical gardens. The dome is huge and it has been there for a
>great
>many years, far longer than the one that was at W. Therefore I think that
>that
>one could have been saved for a great many years. Sue
>
I bet that was pretty neat.
And I bet you are right.
emma
Christine Moon
got to see it, but it has been down so long now, and maybe it was damaged in
the dismantling?
--
Peace,
Christine
chri...@fojd.org.uk
www.fojd.org.uk
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jdssquirrel
facility was the recipient of one of the domes from Windstar...so from what
that sounds like there was more than one...
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The Goddess in Tennis Shoes
>
damn, I was holding out for a sweat stained hankie...or maybe a sweat stained
piece of jockey shorts. no, wait...he went commando. <sigh> so much for the
shorts. tshirt? UGLY SHIRT...I WANNA PIECE OF AN UGLY SHIRT!!!!
the string?
<duck>
Christine Moon
covered with heavy plastic sheeting. Then there was a 50 ft one, made out
of metal, glass and plastic. The 50 dome was dismantled in the early 1990'
s and shipped to a College, from there it was shipped somewhere else (I
don't know where). The 25 ft one was there for close to 20 years (though I
believe without the plastic in later years) but eventually had to be
dismantled because the wood was rotten (caused by the effect of the high
humidity environment inside the plastic), making the structure unsafe. It
was replaced with a new one, which is still there. I remember reading about
this, and the volunteers who did the work - painting and such. Some of
those volunteers kept pieces of the old dome as mementoes, and some of the
wood was kept. I don't know why the decision was made to keep it. Some
pieces have since been auctioned in the silent auctions held at past Open
Houses. Small pieces of the remaining wood will be used to go on the
plaques at this year's event.
I would like to see the big dome returned and re-erected, I never saw that.
I didn't realise it wasn't made of wood even. I just found that out. I
think that is what has caused the confusion, the fact that there were two
domes. Three if you count the replacement dome that is there now.
--
Peace,
Christine
chri...@fojd.org.uk
www.fojd.org.uk
"jdssquirrel" <jdssq...@dacor.net> wrote in message
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edanddee
from there it was >shipped somewhere else
I guess this is the one I was remembering about, Christine. How did you
know this?
>Some of those volunteers kept pieces of the old dome as mementoes, and some
of the
>wood was kept. Some pieces have since been auctioned in the silent
auctions held at past >Open Houses. Small pieces of the remaining wood will
be used to go on the
> plaques at this year's event.
Well, isn't this just what John would have wanted. Such a nice display of
good taste on everyone's part. I suppose someone was selling the roof tiles
off of John's house too at one of these silent auctions.
Dee
"Christine Moon" <chri...@fojd.org.uk> wrote in message
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> Yes, there was more than one. There was a 25 ft one made out of wood,
> covered with heavy plastic sheeting. Then there was a 50 ft one, made out
> of metal, glass and plastic. (I
edanddee
> I never understood why the original dome was removed and not fixed and
redone
> so it would be a wonderful tribute and a lasting one. It went away with
no
> explanation,, I guess so that on this year it could be chopped up and
given or
> sold to those who want to pay money to enter these grounds which once
meant so
> much to John.
And why do all those people who say they loved John so much contribute to
this silliness?
edanddee
"EmmaLdy" <emm...@aol.com> wrote in message
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And all that for just $70.....I'll have you know that I'm paying $150 for
that plus an autographed picture of his statue!!! <bg>.
Dee
Donna Hanley
unveiling there were several people who were coming out of the windstar
building and leaving the premises with chunks of wood that looked like
they were from a dismantled building. I asked one of them what they
were and was told that they were pieces of the dome that use to stand on
the property. I was also told by this person that Windstar was selling
them right then and there. Since I wasn't interested in buying a piece
of the dome I never went inside and asked anyone. The pieces of wood
did look old and had white paint flaking off of them. Not in good
condition at all. That was the last I heard of Windstar selling the
dome, until now. I have to admit that at the time I thought it was very
strange that they would dismantle this structure and sell it. Windstar
must be really hurting for cash.
Donna
Virtugal
Christine Moon
Windstar, over the years I've been visiting. What I've heard is that the
Windstar board, this was at the time NWF was involved, decoded the big dome
was too expensive to run. Someone on the Advisory board heard about a
college that wanted it, so it was sent there, but the college never erected
it and later passed it on elsewhere. I can't find anyone who knows where
that "elsewhere" is.
I'm not so sure that John would object to Windstar trying to raise a little
money from the rotten wood of the old small dome. What would be the
alternative? Send the pieces to land fill? True they would eventually rot
down completely and go back to the land, but reuse should always come before
recycle!
--
Peace,
Christine
chri...@fojd.org.uk
www.fojd.org.uk
"edanddee" <ebd...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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Christine Moon
original small prototype, which was taken down because it was rotten and
unsafe, and has now been replaced with the one that is there.
--
Peace,
Christine
chri...@fojd.org.uk
www.fojd.org.uk
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Christine Moon
portapotties, etc) and the money had to come from somewhere.
--
Peace,
Christine
chri...@fojd.org.uk
www.fojd.org.uk
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Christine Moon
--
Peace,
Christine
chri...@fojd.org.uk
www.fojd.org.uk
"Christine Moon" <chri...@fojd.org.uk> wrote in message
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jdssquirrel
"Christine Moon" <chri...@fojd.org.uk> wrote in message
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EmmaLdy
>portapotties, etc) and the money had to come from somewhere.
>
Yes Christine that's true.
But it's not good business sense to spend that events' member money on toilets
if you can't offer much more than that. I wouldn't want my
day's membership funds paying for potties. Those pottie funds etc. should
already be in the pot, no pun intended.
emma
Virtugal
for members only or money to educate the general population and especially
young people as to the goals of sustainable environments. I don't like the
choices that the committee has made and neither I fear did John.
Pamela Beasley
>
> I agree and I would ask what are we raising money for? Parties and conferences
> for members only or money to educate the general population and especially
> young people as to the goals of sustainable environments. I don't like the
> choices that the committee has made and neither I fear did John.
One of Windstar's best projects currently is for just as you
suggest.....the EarthCamp program which Windstar is promoting and still
developing is for educating young people about the goals of sustainable
environments. Having seen the plan for the Earthcamp program, I am (as
an educator) thorough pleased with this program. It is a beautifully
planned. The manuel for conducting the Earthcamps is an educator's
dream.
I don't understand why there is still so much negativity about
Windstar. The Windstar of today is not the same as it was when John was
so hurt by it. The active members of the board are all new since
then. The attitude of down-playing John's part in creating Windstar is
no longer tolerated. We can't make progress if we continue to act
based on things that happened in the past.
Pam
Pamela Beasley
But rebuilting it would take money and there are folks here that seem
to think that Windstar should be the only foundation that should be able
to do things without money.
Pam
Christine Moon
would be there. It seems to me we have a "chicken and egg" situation here.
In order to attract members, Windstar puts on a party - but until it has
attracted the members it lacks money to pay its day to day expenses, let
alone putting on a party. So, the party has to be self-financing.
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donations of time and money, but sadly we do not live in an ideal world, but
one where most people have only limited funds and need persuading to part
with any of that hard-earned cash! I wish I knew the answer :-(
--
Peace,
Christine
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www.fojd.org.uk
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postal
Then wouldn't it be better if they charged small fee for EVERYONE that
went to the event? This at least would cover the expenses. I think it
has more to do now with the prinicple of the thing than the actual fee.
Basically, they are now telling people that UNLESS you join or pay the fee,
you can't attend. That, in my opinion is what everyone is riled up about.
it's not so much the $35 fee to non-members, as the way it went about being
done. However, in none of the non-members were to attend, there would
STILL be the expense of putting on this event for members. Thus, there
still isn't any income coming in to PAY for this.
No, the fairest way to do it, and way to attract more people is to have
EVERYONE pay a modest fee (both members AND non-members alike) and give
people a REASON why they should join. This is not being done. Besides,
I think if this had been posted a while ago, and people knew it was an
event, there would not be as much dissention. Sorry, but this was waited
until WELL after people had planned on being there before it was announced
there would be a $35 fee for non-members. And yes, I think they knew about
this in plenty of time that they could have posted it.
JMHO,
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Diamondsnstones
things without money. That is absurb. The problem is how and why they raise
money and what it is to be used for. That is the problem and furthermore to
compound the problem the people in charge do not have a clear understanding of
PR and how to present their fundraising to the general public so that it comes
off as tasteless and somehow lacing in universal appeal that is to say a
country club clique. EVery one who can think knows that if you want NEW
members then you do not close the doors to *outsiders* and Open Houses can be
run with little or no money. A porta potty and a bus and no food unless
donated. The bus could be donated as well. There are all kinds of ways to do
things if imagination is used and goals are set. They simply go about things
the wrong way.
Christine Moon
apparently assumed there would be an Open House this year, on the same basis
as before, when no such thing had ever been announced. From what has been
said by you and others, people were planning on attending something that
didn't exist, on the assumption it would exist because it had existed in
previous years. It is not that Windstar suddenly decided to charge for
something previously advertised as free. Windstar decided to hold an event
this year, instead of an Open House. No one ever said (as far as I am
aware) that there would be an Open House this year.
I don't know if you know any of the history of this. For several years
before John left us, Windstar held volunteer work weekends on Columbus day
weekend and Memorial day weekend. People paid to participate in those
weekends. (Windstar still holds Volunteer work weekends on Memorial day
weekend.) There was a Volunteer work weekend in progress the day we lost
John. Those people got the news while they were there working.
The following year (1998) Windstar also held a volunteer work weekend, and
the Meadowlands dedication was set to take place during that weekend.
However, the people who were participating in the work weekend could not
complete their tasks because the people who had come for the first year
Aspen in October wanted to see the land, ask questions, and be shown where
things were (quite understandably as this was a first visit for many).
Realising the traditional work weekend was disrupted to the point where the
work could not be done, and that probably it would be that way for some
years to come, the next year (1999), Windstar held an Open House on that
weekend. It wasn't what you might call a party - there was information and
there were items available for purchase, but no live music and no food. I
don't recall any portapotties either - there has always been the composting
toilet in the outhouse!
In 2000 the Open House was bigger with Cheese and crackers provided by
volunteers, a small silent auction, information, products, etc. It was
that year that Ron decided he wanted to participate in Windstar in a big
way.
The next year (2001) was Windstar's 25th Anniversary, and Windstar had just
reopened membership after there being no membership in the Foundation since
1997. Since it was the 25th anniversary and Windstar was excited about the
opportunity of sharing about what they were doing with people, there was
quite a large party and celebration which was open to the public at no
charge. This was a 25th anniversary party, and as with all parties the
guests are not expected to pay in order to come.
Last year was the statue dedication and Open House, and a large free party
was held to dedicate the statue and share information about Windstar with
the hope that people would join the Foundation.
This year Windstar is having an event for its supporters, not an Open House.
Windstar members have already contributed monetarily to Windstar. Members
of the general public who would like to attend, but have no wish to join
Windstar, will be charged a fee of $35. People have had the opportunity to
find out about Windstar the last 4 years, and the opportunity to become
members the last 2 years . There are not many people who are coming to this
year's Aspen in October events who do not know about Windstar. So, the idea
of a free event to offer information about Windstar is considered no longer
of benefit.
I'm sorry so many have been upset by this, I'm sure no one at Windstar meant
to upset anyone.
--
Peace,
Christine
chri...@fojd.org.uk
www.fojd.org.uk
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> I don't think there is a soul out here who thinks that Windstar should do
> things without money. That is absurb. The problem is how and why they
raise
> money and what it is to be used for. That is the problem and furthermore
to
> compound the problem the people in charge do not have a clear
understanding of
> PR and how to present their fundraising to the general public so that it
comes
> off as tasteless
This is one of the problems I have always had with Windstar. When John
first started
it I was an enthusiastic supporter and did so with my money without
hesitation but as
the years went by I became a little skeptical because there never seemed to
be any
real clear-cut goals that they were wanting to be accomplished. A lot of
the things they were coming up with when John was alive was just too weird
sometimes. That whole thing where you were supposed to pretend you weren't
involved with Windstar because you were a fan of John Denver was just
stupid. Let's guess why they never could get up enough enthusiasm for
anything. The only areas that I could see where monies were being used for
things that were doing much were the camps and programs for children... and
I did like the idea of scholarships to students who were going to do
environmental studies. Windstar still doesn't seem to have any lucid
concepts of what it wants to be or what it wants to accomplish, is still
doing, as you say, things that seem a little tasteless, and it does seem a
little ludicrous that it is asking people to support it now because they
loved John so much when they didn't even let anybody admit that was the
reason before John died. I truly hope that Windstar is being run by a new
bunch of people but some of the things that they are doing seems a little
too similar to what was going on before. I loved John but I want my money
going to those organizations that I know are really doing things that John
would have believed in.......hope I'm doing that.
Dee
R Stevens
Sunday and we just went and wandered around and enjoyed the land. I believe
we were told the grounds would be open but there was no "event." That was
fine with me and it was very peaceful and beautiful. I did get to meet quite
a few JD friends there that year, but totally informally. If no open house
had been announced this year, I would have planned to do the same thing.
If this "event" is about covering the expenses of an open house, then it
didn't have to happen if money was tight. People could go to the grounds at
various times throughout the day and wander, talk with others and there
shouldn't have been any expense at all. When the $35 fee or "forced
membership" idea sprang up--it became a membership drive/money maker "event"
in my mind.
Now, I am not saying that they shouldn't have a money making event if they
choose, but passing it off as trying to cover the expenses of an open house
type thing is deceiving. Come right out and say that they desparately need
members and money and be up front with everyone and maybe we would feel
better about it. It would have been less upsetting if we had known about it
sooner than 5 weeks before the time. I know some people have already spent
their funds for other things and had they known--might have opted to do
Windstar instead. Some people chose not to buy Tribute Concert tickets for
Sunday because they planned to be at Windstar and didn't want to try to fit
everything in the same day.Do you wonder why some people are ticked
off/frustrated? I have had private communications from a great number of
people expressing those sentiments.
Barb
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jdssquirrel
provide sanitary restrooms the Health Department can come in and shut you
down if you don't. There is a regulation as to how many potties you need
based on expected attendance.
As I've stated before in other posts Windstar is doing nothing different
than what other organizations I'm in or have been involved with have done.
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Diamondsnstones
not a totally free day nor was it a day when W never made any money. A 40 or 50
dollar denim shirt should have made them several dollars. Other things were
sold that day as well. Windstar needs a program and a plan for the future and
not be last minute about anything. Why do we hear about things just as they
are going to happen. How many of the small statues, for example, have they
really sold? They need to know that most people who would support W do not
have that kind of money and act accordingly.
otter
> I don't think there is a soul out here who thinks that Windstar should do
> things without money. That is absurb. The problem is how and why they raise
> money and what it is to be used for. That is the problem and furthermore to
> compound the problem the people in charge do not have a clear understanding of
> PR and how to present their fundraising to the general public so that it comes
> off as tasteless and somehow lacing in universal appeal that is to say a
> country club clique. EVery one who can think knows that if you want NEW
> members then you do not close the doors to *outsiders* and Open Houses can be
> run with little or no money. A porta potty and a bus and no food unless
> donated. The bus could be donated as well. There are all kinds of ways to do
> things if imagination is used and goals are set. They simply go about things
> the wrong way.
>
ITA! EVERY non-profit organization I work with goes out and ASKS for
donations of things---tent rental, porta-potty rental, stage rental, food,
etc. (they can write it all off their income tax, BTW) And if they can't
get enough that way, they ask for "sponsors" to give money to "sponsor" the
cost of the tent rental, etc. (Again, tax deductible.)
Good grief...when I was in Sedona (and brand new to the area to boot), I
"cold-called" on businesses to help me put on a small fund-raiser IN MY
HOME. One of the local coffee houses came up and set up on our terrace and
donated coffee. A mexican restaurant donated all the hors d'ourves, a
liquor store donated all the wine, and (because my neighbors were worried
about too much traffic in the neighborhood) one of the local jeep tour
businesses donated their trolley to ferry people back and forth from a
parking lot across the street from our neighborhood. A local artist came and
hung his paintings all over the house AND donated a commissioned painting as
a raffle. Now if I could accomplish all that as a STRANGER in town, surely
Windstar can do far more.
All ANY organization needs is a PLAN....FAR IN ADVANCE!...., volunteers to
get out there and hustle and ASK, ASK, ASK for what you want. What's the
worst that could happen? Some might say "no". So, you go to the next
person. Besides, EVERYone has connections of some sort and can "lean" on
their friends to support the organization.
Windstar has a HUGE PR problem, IMHO, and they need to do something,
ANYthing, to start building a "reservoir of good will". If I were on the
board, I would suggest they IMMEDIATELY put out this "fire" they've got
going about the "event" in October by going out and hustling for a sponsor.
Then announce that EVERYone gets in FREE. They're shooting themselves in
the foot right now and need to do something FAST before their organization
sinks like a stone. From experience, I can vouch for the fact that it
doesn't take much to turn the public against an organization, no matter how
high their ideals may be. Think Kerr-McGee.
Gloria
Diamondsnstones
while running political campaigns and also with our SCCA. I have been on the
board for fundraising for the Diabetes Association and also for BReast Cancer.
If people are approached the right way they will do amazing things for you. I
have had entire Tent setups with tables and chairs donated for use by a rental
agency. I have had full meals catered by first rate chefs. 'Food donated and
flowers and centerpieces for speakers who donated their time. I have put on
entire banquets with world class speakers with so much donated that the
participants paid only if they wanted to donated to the organization. I spoke
earlier about PR and I meant every word. It is the groundstone of any
organization I have ever been associated with. Volunteers, volunteer,
volunteers are the cornerstones of any organization. In Aspen the very rich
congregate and should be tapped as a resource. Organizations plan a year in
ADVANCE for events and most go off flawlessly. As you have said Gloria there
are a lot of things that can be done that are not being done and membership
fees do not pay the bills. The fees pay for newsletters or a magazine and for
all that goes with MEMBERSHIP.
Diamondsnstones
those letters stand for. Could you tell me? Thank you. Love, Sue
Diamondsnstones
talk about W's funds. I doubt that anyone really cares about these facilities.
What they do care about is the way things have been told to them or not told to
them. If W wanted a closed event or an event for a fee, they had an obligation
to announce their schedule months ago. People need to know what is going on.
Christine said that people are complaining about an event that was not to be
but there she is wrong. If there is no announcement of a change in W's plans,
and the land is closed after church to all but those who are members or have
paid 35 dollars. then people have every right to expect to be able to go on the
land and meet with their friends and fellowship with others and meet people. I
don't think anyone was all that interested in food or programs or planned
events at all. They just want to be on W land because John loved it so. There
should be restroom facilities on any public land at all times. So I doubt that
that is the issue with anyone. What has happened here is that W has turned
itself on one day into a country club elitist organization that is a clique to
those who are outside the framework. It has become far too controlling. BTW
whatever happened to Plant-it 2000? I rest my case.
Claudia Levesque
>ITA! EVERY non-profit organization I work with goes out and ASKS for
>donations of things---tent rental, porta-potty rental, stage rental, food,
>etc. (they can write it all off their income tax, BTW) And if they can't
>get enough that way, they ask for "sponsors" to give money to "sponsor" the
>cost of the tent rental, etc. (Again, tax deductible.)
>
Absolutely! As I mentioned in another post, my first job was with a
company that helped charities organize and promote themselves. Granted,
this was back in the 1970s, but I don't think things have changed that
much......
>Good grief...when I was in Sedona (and brand new to the area to boot), I
>"cold-called" on businesses to help me put on a small fund-raiser IN MY
>HOME. One of the local coffee houses came up and set up on our terrace and
>donated coffee. A mexican restaurant donated all the hors d'ourves, a
>liquor store donated all the wine, and (because my neighbors were worried
>about too much traffic in the neighborhood) one of the local jeep tour
>businesses donated their trolley to ferry people back and forth from a
>parking lot across the street from our neighborhood. A local artist came and
>hung his paintings all over the house AND donated a commissioned painting as
>a raffle. Now if I could accomplish all that as a STRANGER in town, surely
>Windstar can do far more.
>
Excellent work on your part. It takes persistence and diplomacy.
>All ANY organization needs is a PLAN....FAR IN ADVANCE!...., volunteers to
>get out there and hustle and ASK, ASK, ASK for what you want. What's the
>worst that could happen? Some might say "no". So, you go to the next
>person. Besides, EVERYone has connections of some sort and can "lean" on
>their friends to support the organization.
>
>Windstar has a HUGE PR problem, IMHO, and they need to do something,
>ANYthing, to start building a "reservoir of good will". If I were on the
>board, I would suggest they IMMEDIATELY put out this "fire" they've got
>going about the "event" in October by going out and hustling for a sponsor.
>Then announce that EVERYone gets in FREE. They're shooting themselves in
>the foot right now and need to do something FAST before their organization
>sinks like a stone. From experience, I can vouch for the fact that it
>doesn't take much to turn the public against an organization, no matter how
>high their ideals may be. Think Kerr-McGee.
>
>Gloria
>
All that you have stated is absolutely true. These were the
fundamentals that we impressed upon all the charities that sought our
services.
Wouldn't it be nice if Windstar followed along these lines? They might
actually get somewhere and have the clout to attract membership.
All my best,
Claudia
EmmaLdy
>would be there. It seems to me we have a "chicken and egg" situation here.
>In order to attract members, Windstar puts on a party - but until it has
>attracted the members it lacks money to pay its day to day expenses, let
>alone putting on a party. So, the party has to be self-financing.
I might suggest that W not attract members with potties and old wood.
Attract people with substance and direction.
Go to a public place and gather for free where there are public bathrooms,
until you can afford to spend money you actually have.
If it's working, they will come.
emma
EmmaLdy
Pam, I am glad to hear your thoughts on the EarthCamp.
emma
Virtugal
jdssquirrel
think some of the assumptions are still being made. I think the assumption
that this is to pay for last year is wrong...I understand that the reason
they stopped doing the free events was because of the cost. Windstar wants
to take the membership dollars and the monetary donations and use it for
environmental programming not for parties...If the parties are wanted then
they need to find a way to pay for them...thus making it a pay to attend
event. The members are rewarded for being members...and members are asked
to be the volunteers...so do we ask the folks who are volunteering to pay to
come to the event where they are volunteering? I understand the asking the
members to volunteer is so the members take a more active role in things.
There are a lot of members who simply write the check and that's it...trying
to get them to be more involved is to try and get them to have some sort of
bond with the land.
I know Windstar has been trying to get more members. I know that folks on
several of the JD lists I'm on have said that Windstar is trying to boost
membership and that it needs money. Because people are coming out to
Windstar on the Sunday (planned event or not) the Health Department could
cause a stink (pun intended) about lack of port-potties. I've seen stuff
like that happen where some bureaucrat thought they saw a way to get some
extra $$ into their budget by fining someone when no formal event was
planned. I had a friend who's graduation party was disrupted by the police
coming in not because of noise but because the party was being held in the
field behind the house and the assumed number of potties in the house was
not sufficient for the number of people at the party. One of the guys that
lived down the road from the party worked for the Health Dept and was being
a pain in the a** because he didn't want the party going on.
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otter
> Gloria, what is ITA. I know that I am a wee bit stupid but I have no idea
> what
> those letters stand for. Could you tell me? Thank you. Love, Sue
ITA=I totally agree! (I was agreeing with your post.) :o)
otter
>> Yes, the money should already be there. If they had more members maybe it
>> would be there. It seems to me we have a "chicken and egg" situation here.
>> In order to attract members, Windstar puts on a party - but until it has
>> attracted the members it lacks money to pay its day to day expenses, let
>> alone putting on a party. So, the party has to be self-financing.
>
> I might suggest that W not attract members with potties and old wood.
> Attract people with substance and direction.
BRAVO, emma! EXCELLENT post! Gloria
Virtugal
something else besides sanitation? How about organization and planning? How
about an advanced plan for the october weekend? How about communication with
the World family of JD.? How about giving fair notice that plans long held had
changed? All these things are the point of the discussion. Food and -porta
parties are side issues. The PR relations and the fundtraising that is not
going on is more to the point. Enough of the potties
Virtugal
Christine Moon
every year. I could be getting the day of the week confused, but I don't
think so as every year I go to Windstar from the chapel (nothing has been
announced for the chapel this year - wonder if they will have the usual
memorial service?)
This year's event has nothing to do with covering the expenses of the Open
Houses held previously. The event is intended to be self-financing though,
as I understand things.
There is nothing to stop people going to Windstar on Sunday, hiking the
Meadowlands, going to the meditation platform and so on. Only the area
around the house will be subject to the fee. The main part of the land has
separate rules and I don't think they could charge for that. They have
stated that people may use the conservation area without charge.
Had the people who planned to be at a Windstar Open House on Sunday actually
heard from Windstar that there would be an Open House? I hadn't seen one
announced anywhere.
--
Peace,
Christine
chri...@fojd.org.uk
www.fojd.org.uk
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I had an email from Deb Perry a couple of weeks ago asking if I would
volunteer - I said yes, but have heard nothing since. I must email her as
I'll be away from my computer after Saturday!
--
Peace,
Christine
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www.fojd.org.uk
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I understood the small statues were the only thing John's family would
permit in the way of statue copies, anything smaller and more affordable was
considered tacky.
--
Peace,
Christine
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www.fojd.org.uk
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just the small portion close to the house. The lack of an Open House is not
a change to their plans, since no Open House was ever planned for this year,
to the best of my knowledge. One has to have a plan before one can change
it.
Plant-It 2000 is now Plant-It 2020 and its website is at
http://www.plantit2020.org/
--
Peace,
Christine
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www.fojd.org.uk
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jdssquirrel
did not have long held plans...they had not made any plans until just before
the announcement was made. When the plan came up they had to see who was
available...or should they have announced they were doing something before
they had things set up? Would you have rather planned to go to an event
only to get there to discover things didn't work out because they couldn't
get performers?? If people are angry because they made assumptions and then
the assumptions proved false then it is their own fault for making the
assumptions. Yes people make plans in advance...yes many of the folks who
go to Aspen each year must save up to go. I also know that people know
events get added as they are organized...there is not a set schedule of
events set in stone up by May or even June or for that matter even in
September...things change. BTW if your so angry about it how about you plan
next years event for them and show them how to do it instead of just pissing
and moaning. We got the point you guys are not happy...so what, deal with
it.
As for the porta potties so many were complaining about that being how the
money for the event was being spent that I thought I should point out that
Windstar had no choice but to provide them. Oh and having the money already
available to pay for them...doesn't that money come from members and
donations...so either way the money spent for them could also be spent for
other things like programs...or better yet how about someone donate building
some additional bathrooms for Windstar after all they have to have potties
for the other programs they do like EarthCamp and such.
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not allowed into the building. That I DO remember because --well, you
know.... LOL
I looked over my pictures from that Sunday and, other than the Aiki tent
being up--and empty--there wasn't anything else showing. There were 4 of us
there and we are seen in various areas--but hardly another person in sight.
We met a few people when we walked up to the Meadowlands sign and there
were flowers around the sign at the Meadowlands and flowers around the
memorial to John up by the house. That memorial is the thing that finally
opened up my tears over his loss and released an unexpected variety of
emotions that I thought I had dealt with. I was very glad that there weren't
very many people around at that time. We even parked right on the property,
up near the house and the parking lot was far from full when we went there
after church.
I did get a mailing from the church not long ago and it mentioned the
memorial service I believe. Maybe I shold go and find that to be sure.
I am not at all sure how one can go to the Meadowlands road and the
meditation platform without going on the main grounds of Windstar during the
"event". Is there another road up further? Where would one park? I am a
little confused and, should we decide to do that, I wouldn't want to tick
someone off or be confronted by angry people telling me I was in the wrong
place.
Barb
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postal
I guess it's best that non-members should stay away from this event.
There really isn't much parking, as they said that parking on Windstar
grounds is limited to volunteers and handicap. Guess you would have to
take the shuttle bus in order to get there.
I think we might be better going to spend the day at the grottos and
going to Windstar on Monday or Tues.
From what I heard, there are even some members that are unhappy with the
fact that Windstar is charging this year. they feel that this will keep a
lot of people away.
Oh well, it's their event, and they can do as they please. However,
I don't think this is really the way to attract new members....at least none
that will be active
Dorothy
"R Stevens" <rast...@snet.net> wrote in message
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otter
> My question here is whose plans were long held that had changed? Windstar
> did not have long held plans...they had not made any plans until just before
> the announcement was made.
And that's the whole point! An organization like W SHOULD have everything
planned a year in advance and ADVERTISE the event to get more people to
attend. The whole point (usually) of having an event is two-fold----to
raise AWARENESS and INTEREST and to get donations and members. You just
don't throw together something at the last minute and expect to be a
success. All they've done is anger and disappoint people that they SHOULD
be trying to impress.
<snip>
I also know that people know
> events get added as they are organized...there is not a set schedule of
> events set in stone up by May or even June or for that matter even in
> September...things change.
Yes. Smaller events. Like the year Sandy and I brought the Mardy Murie
video and didn't know until 2 weeks beforehand if the Sierra Club was going
to give us permission to show it. But that's a far cry from what one would
expect from an organization like Windstar.
BTW if your so angry about it how about you plan
> next years event for them and show them how to do it instead of just pissing
> and moaning. We got the point you guys are not happy...so what, deal with
> it.
I'd love to, if I lived there. It would be difficult to do what's necessary
from a long distance, especially if you have to start with training and
teaching people what to do. They should hire a professional event
coordinator...yes, it would cost, but the money would be well spent if they
learned how to do things right AND created some goodwill for W at the same
time.
>
> As for the porta potties so many were complaining about that being how the
> money for the event was being spent that I thought I should point out that
> Windstar had no choice but to provide them. Oh and having the money already
> available to pay for them...doesn't that money come from members and
> donations...so either way the money spent for them could also be spent for
> other things like programs...or better yet how about someone donate building
> some additional bathrooms for Windstar after all they have to have potties
> for the other programs they do like EarthCamp and such.
Now there's a good suggestion. Why don't they hit up some of the affluent
in Aspen to build permanent "facilities"? That said, I simply must say
something else that's been on my mind:
Depending on HOW this conservation easement was affixed to the deed of the
land at Windstar, it IS conceivable that no such structures would be allowed
to be built. And, VERY IMPORTANTLY, unless it is specified, it is NOT
public land and W has every right to prevent ANYONE coming on the land
without prior permission. Every conservancy agreement can be different.
The ones I know of here in Jackson Hole are STRINGENT on the use/non-use of
the land. After all, that's what a conservancy IS....a document that
PROTECTS the land in perpetuity. Therefore, most conservation easements DO
NOT ALLOW people to just wander about at will. Can you imagine the damage
to the flora and fauna if a person was allowed to tramp about? Now multiply
that by hundreds of people---dropping gum wrappers, using the woods as a
toilet and leaving paper behind, etc. You get my point. That is why our
Nat'l Park system is SOOOO picky about people, dogs, etc. getting off the
"beaten path". If allowed, our Nat'l parks would be trashed. Same could
happen at Windstar.
Okay. Down off my soapbox. Gloria
Christine Moon
in the house. Must be getting my years mixed up.....
Good point about how to get to Windstar to hike on the Land Conservancy
land - I would guess that you would need to get the shuttle bus, but I'll
try to find out for sure. The access road from the Windstar parking lot
will definitely be open for pedestrians - they never allow vehicles up there
except in special circumstances.
--
Peace,
Christine
chri...@fojd.org.uk
www.fojd.org.uk
"R Stevens" <rast...@snet.net> wrote in message
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David Ladewig
drum up support. I don't know if Windstar is known enough to do this, but a
people do book these trips through someone.
David
"EmmaLdy" <emm...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Claudia Levesque
>I might suggest that W not attract members with potties and old wood.
>Attract people with substance and direction.
>Go to a public place and gather for free where there are public bathrooms,
>until you can afford to spend money you actually have.
>If it's working, they will come.
>emma
>
This is so logical it hurts!
Claudia
Virtugal
R Stevens
"event' going on---at least, not as of now!--- and have our picnic on the
12th. I just feel bad that we are shut out of Windstar on the 12th--of all
days
Barb
"postal" <ctr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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postal
I think they felt that people would just mellow out and pay the fee so
they could be at a place that John loved so much. It is a real shame, as if
they had charged a modest fee of $10 for each person to attend, all of this
could have been avoided. To me, if the members were that interested in
helping windstar, then they, too, should have been willing to pay a $10 fee
for the event.
What happens if all of this backfires and only members attend? How
would that help them to raise money? I think all of this could have been
avoided if they had just gone about it the right way, instead of turning
people off. Yes, we DO pay for the events we attend in Aspen, but the fact
it was always free to walk the Windstar land, is what got people riled up.
No one likes to be coerced into joining something, and that is how a lot
feel about this event. That doesn't help build up memberships.
Just my opinion here.
Dorothy
"R Stevens" <rast...@snet.net> wrote in message
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Christine Moon
when an event is being held. The large portion out beyond the meadowland
sign is very peaceful, and big - you could hike for hours there.
--
Peace,
Christine
chri...@fojd.org.uk
www.fojd.org.uk
"postal" <ctr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Christine Moon
not subject to the charge that you object to. What I don't understand is,
if being at Windstar means so much to you, why is it not worth the $35
joining fee?
--
Peace,
Christine
chri...@fojd.org.uk
www.fojd.org.uk
"R Stevens" <rast...@snet.net> wrote in message
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Diamondsnstones
charge is made. I respectfully believe that it is not your concern nor is it
respectful to ask why someone does not wish to pay 35 dollars to join. It is
rude to ask why people spend their money in different ways. You do not have to
understand, now do you.? It may be a matter of principle.
Christine Moon
Anyway, there will be parking available within walking distance of the Land
Conservancy. For anyone with walking difficulties, Windstar will arrange
transport to the Conservancy. Just email har...@wstar.org and let them
know you need assistance. So, there is nothing to stop anyone from walking
on the land that John loved.
--
Peace,
Christine
chri...@fojd.org.uk
www.fojd.org.uk
"Christine Moon" <chri...@fojd.org.uk> wrote in message
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Diamondsnstones
who paid and who didn't?
Claudia Levesque
Christine Moon wrote:
>You are not "shut out" - you are choosing not to go. Most of the land is
>not subject to the charge that you object to. What I don't understand is,
>if being at Windstar means so much to you, why is it not worth the $35
>joining fee?
>
I think Gloria summed up the problem(s) best in her posts on this
subject. If you didn't have the opportunity to read them, do so if you
have a free moment. The largest problem that W has, other than their
apparent cash flow, is Public Relations!
To answer your question: I *think* that there is a sense of being
coerced to join. That sense can make the most pleasant and easy going
person turn suddenly quite stubborn and resentful. I'm like that - my
hackles rise instantly <g>.
Best to you,
Claudia (o;