John's Temper
RMH6967
This in response to the person who posted earlier about Cassie, Jesse & John.
All of those things that you mentioned were correct. To clear the air about
John's temper. When I said that John had a horrible temper, I just meant that
when John got mad ( which was not very often ) he would fly into a frenzy.
Screaming, hitting things, throwing things, etc. That's all I meant by that.
RMH6967
Janet Burns
had "fits," but I do not know with what frequency this happened - often?
seldom? [He admitted to some.] We cannot and should not believe everything
that we read. Even TV news is going "tabloid" in larger cities simply to get
more viewers. The big NBC station here in Houston, for example, has recently
been called the electronic version of the Enquirer! Newspapers are getting
"yellower" all the time. The only people whom we can believe are those who
know the stars personally - and even then we might not know the whole truth.
Take whatever you hear with a grain of salt. What you hear will probably not
be the entire truth. Likewise, you will hear as many versions of a story as
the number of articles that you read.
RMH6967 wrote in message
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LOU
just wondering
LuLu
I Love to Sing My Songs For You.......Yes I do...You know......I
Do......John Denver
Toni Sturtevant
.and why does this have to be an issue? It has nothing to do with the
music, the causes, or our concern...and, as LuLu said, how would you
know about this?..
Starwood *
."You see, life is a very special kind of thing,
not just for a chosen few;
But for each and every living, breathing thing,
not just me and you"......John Denver
linda riviello
I'm with you! How does this person know for sure that John went into
such a frenzy as to throw, hit things, etc. In all the years that I have
been following Johns career never did I ever hear someone anywhere say
or tell anyone that they saw John's temper to the extent of what this
person is saying.
I'm not saying he couldn' t get angry, he was a person with human
feelings. I think if this were true and his temper was so bad, that the
media would have picked up on this and it would have been all over the
news. This is what the media was looking for- a way to discredit John.
I didnt know John personally, but I do have a friend that did know him,
and I can tell you he would be upset if he saw what has been said about
him on this ng.
And if Nid is reading this post, that last paragraph was meant for you.
Peace, Linda R
RFa7714804
>music, the causes, or our concern...and, as LuLu said, how would you
>know about this?.
I guess you're right. It does'nt have to be an issue(not his temper but the
whole Cassie war)
but I think it's okay to debate it FOR A WHILE. I have posted alot on this
issue and this is it for me. We will all have to agree to disagree and get
back to the business of John.
As for his temper, well anyone who hasn't lost it from time to time please
raise your hand.
Robin
NIdPanhand
in a rage saws all the furniture in a house with a Chain Saw right after trying
to choke his ex-wife, had one hell of a violent temper.
But I suppose all you JD groupie gals would stand in line to be Annie in that
position. I bet for a lot of you it is one of your favorite JD fantasies. Makes
you hot.
NIdPanhand
LARussl
>in a rage saws all the furniture in a house with a Chain Saw right after
>trying
>to choke his ex-wife, had one hell of a violent temper.
Yeah Nid but let's be fair, JD said in hs book it was a SKILL saw and that he
even surprised himself that he was capable of that kind of violence. He said
it was an isolated event.
But if I have any JD fantasy involving a saw it would probably be a see-saw...
But I won't get into that.
Peace!
Lorrie
linda riviello
Everyone knows about the chainsaw incident.
We don't need to be reminded. I never heard that he tried to choke
Annie..where you there?
How do you know this for sure? Where you called to their home? Did an
imaginary friend tell you this?
Or are you fantacizing in a bubble bath????
Linda
linda riviello
NatureMusic Manager
not have a violent temper. He could be moody at times, like I see with most
creative types, but he simply wasn't the screaming, throwing stuff type.
Arthur Jackson
www.naturemusic.com
Janet Burns
or was that just "moodiness"?
I am not trying to be argumentative here - I am just really wondering.
I'll be perfectly honest with you: here in Texas, if a husband were to take
an electric saw of any kind against a wife and her home, he would land
himself in jail in nothing flat.
But then, we probably have the highest execution rate of any state. (That
could be good - or bad....)
JB
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LARussl
Montcl...@webtv.net (linda riviello) writes:
>I never heard that he tried to choke
>Annie..where you there?
>How do you know this for sure? Where you called to their home? Did an
>imaginary friend tell you this?
It's in his autobiography, he relates the story himself. IT's a sad but true
and he talks very candidly about the event. I don't think it was typical
behavior and it bothered him greatly that he was capable of that much anger.
I can't see him as a screaming-throwing type, but as a creative person, I can
imagine he had his moods as anyone does.
But then again, this is one event that was not a stellar moment and will
probably be media-fodder for time emortal.
So let's just forget the whole thing.
Lorrie
Toni Sturtevant
of your favorite JD fantasies...."
Hey Nid..to each their own..and you're the one who thought of it....
Marge
Marge <@baraboo.com>
WI USA
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You are invited to drop by and join in on the celebration of
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Janet Burns
must mean that we should get past what has happened and forge forward??
I do hope this is what you mean... I think it must be.
... because I am not an ostrich, and what he did, even though he apologized
and was, indeed, remorseful - and even though Annie, in a manner of
speaking, forgave him - did happen and it will not be wiped off the slate.
But you know the news media: when they are short on "good stories," they
will dredge it up, no doubt.
LARussl wrote in message
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Jan Mc Reynolds
cut down MY non-native 100+-year-old burr oak trees on my property in
Colorado, I CAN'T BEGIN TO TELL YOU HOW VIOLENT I WOULD BE!! Each of us
has a Hitler-portion to our personalities, and it can rear its ugly
head--especially if we have too much unresolved grief and unfinished
business. I'm sad that John picked up his chain saw, but my 64-year-old
sister (an environmentalist, too) and I had to laugh about this
incident. We both said that we'd probably do something even worse than
what John did. TOUCH OUR BELOVED TREES THAT GROW SO SLOWLY IN NEBRASKA
AND DIE SO QUICKLY, AND A WAR MAY OCCUR!! lol Jan in NE
linda riviello
Thank you for proving my point. John was a human being!
Linda
linda riviello
Yes you and I are good friends. People don't know your other side. They
just see the dark side. You must work on changing their minds and work
VERY hard my friend.
As far as John goes, he is the reason I am here.
To talk about him well and his accomplishments We've already heard the
chainsaw tree and furniture stories. He was human and had foibles just
like the rest of us(human foibles - do you know what those words mean?
or am I going too fast for you?).
Your remarks about Johns haircolor, where his ashes are, ravens child,
etc. are totally unacceptable here. I've told you that before. There are
other ngs where you can lend your talents to I am sure.
And stop telling me you LOVE being my friend--please stop!! You're
getting really mushy!!
Linda
Cheri22
>From: "NatureMusic Manager" <ajax...@mindspring.com>
>Date: 8/5/98 9:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <6q9of5$rdh$1...@camel15.mindspring.com>
>
>Well, I did know John, worked with him and was friends for 18 years. He did
>not have a violent temper. He could be moody at times, like I see with most
>creative types, but he simply wasn't the screaming, throwing stuff type.
>
>Arthur Jackson
>www.naturemusic.com
>
Thank you, Mr. Jackson! :)
Cheri22
Cheri22
>Date: 8/4/98 11:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <9528-35...@newsd-104.iap.bryant.webtv.net>
Hi Linda and thanx!
The only thing I know of about JDs "temper"
was what he wrote about in his book......and as a person who went thru a
terrible divorce years ago myself...I know how wacky people can get when faced
with this. I can only imagine the stress that John was under at this time!
And as for anger itself....ever hear the phrase "it's OKAY to get angry"? It
is NOT okay to physically hurt someone in the process, but so many of us are
afraid of anger that we deny it or "stuff" it. I tend to be a "stuffer" and it
comes out in other ways...like anxiety. NOT healthy!
Anger is just as much a part of the human psyche as is love, jealousy, etc.
Maybe John (and this is just an assumption on my part) was a "stuffer" too....I
don't now. But it sure had to be difficult for him to live up to the "squeaky
clean" persona he always had! I beleive that John was a very sincere and
truly kind individual....just human like the rest of us!
Warm regards
Cheri22 :)
PS And I'm sure you're right Linda.....the media would have had a field day
with John if his temper was "so terrible"...it would have certainly shown thru
in his overall behavior.
LARussl
writes:
>Lorrie, when you say to "forget the whole thing," I am assuming that you
>must mean that we should get past what has happened and forge forward??
>
Yes that's EXACTALLY what I meant. Thanks Janet.
linda riviello
Thanks for you kind note. Sure we all have our good days and bad.
Can't even imagine what divorce can do to someone and a bad one at that.
I'm sure it can make you extremely angry.
Heck sometimes everyday things can send someone over the brink.
In my case maybe, just maybe Nid is right about my wanting to sugarcoat
John. But leave me alone, I want to remember John the way I saw him and
how he treated me everytime I saw him in concert.--with fun and respect.
That's how I will remember him always. So Nid can laugh all he wants- I
really dont care.
Thanks again Cheri. Hope you'll be going to Aspen in Oct. Can't wait to
meet the ladies of the JD newsgroup.
Peace, Linda
NIdPanhand
>incident. John was not particularly proud of this incident, but was appalled
>at the idea that he could act like that. Unfortunately, anger does that to
>people.
Just one step behind OJ.
NIdPanhand
Yea, just the cutting, chopping a slicing type. I have seen some pretty
creative things done with a power saw.
NIdPanhand
OJ is moody/
NIdPanhand
>Peace!
>Lorrie
Lorrie,
I have the see saw if you want to demonstrate
NIdPanhand
>getting really mushy!!
>
>Linda
But Linda, this is a real mushy ng.
LARussl
>
>I have the see saw if you want to demonstrate
>
I knew that would come out wrong when I read it back.........
I was having a "Boy do I want to return to childhood" day because my real world
has just been so completely a mess lately. I was thinking about how I use to
escape as a kid to this never-used playground by myself, with my tape player
and play my JD music where no one could hear it to bother me about it. I use to
especially like this see-saw seat (more like a glider but we called it a
see-saw as opposed to a teeter-totter) that I could look out into a valley
from...
Now I'm sure that was WAY more information than anyone here really needed but
boy when I just read that back I got all flustered myself!
YIKES!
:)
Lorrie
Deborah Barton
Deborah
Deborah Barton
Deborah
RFa7714804
You are absolutley right about that!
Now, how 'bout we lighten things up a little and talk about music.
They are doing something kind of fun in JD chat.People are posting their
favorite or most meaningful JD song lines. Here's a couple of my favorites:
"talk of poems and prayers and promises, things that we believe in. How sweet
it is to love someone, how right it is to care."
"Just a pledge of my life, my love for you"
"This old guitar gave me my life, my living, all the things you know I love to
do."
"Sunshine on the water looks so lovely."
Robin
BrokenSpar
Personally and in my opinion...violence against ANYONE in not OK......seems
that many forget the males
Debbie
for some new guitar strings for his Taylor guitar. When his assistant
returned with the wrong kind of guitar strings, John called up the guitar
store and was having a fit over the phone, using foul language and asking
why they sold those strings to his assistant? The clerk told John that they
were the right kind of strings for the Taylor guitar.
Later, John found out for himself that the clerk was right. The guitar
sounded better than ever. So, John called the store back up and apologized.
I guess I was shocked to hear what John had done with the chainsaw, but I am
glad that he chose to reveal his wrongdoings to us. None of us are perfect,
and to go through your life with thousands of fans applauding your every
move, to have your dreams come true and then to kind of have that taken away
from you could make anyone crazy.
Deb
<6q9rhm$b5f$1...@supernews.com>...
>Thank you, Arthur for your comments. It's good to hear from someone who
knew John personally. <p>In John's autobiography, he related what happened
with the chain-saw incident. John was not particularly proud of this
incident, but was appalled at the idea that he could act like that.
LOU
thing....and he said....yes he felt bad about that, but it made him feel
pretty good!!!!! it was the first time in his life, that he had
expressed his anger........and he also said he told Annie that he was
sorry...he didn't come there to hurt her !!!!!! and would not ever hurt
her !!!!!!! but he left his mark, so that all these people that came to
all those dinner parties at his house, that he was never invitied to,
knew he was there !!!!!!!!
I think he covered this in his book also !!!!!
LuLu
I Love to Sing My Songs For You.......Yes I do...You know......I
Do......John Denver
Patricia
Thanks for sharing this with us!
Patricia in Florida
ASLTsmile
>
>Personally and in my opinion...violence against ANYONE in not OK......seems
>that many forget the males
Thank you for saying that, you took the words right out of my mouth. And,
there are other ways to be "violent' against someone without hitting them.
Mental crualty is just as bad.
Peace,
Tricia
ASLTsmile
Let's not forget that Annie did provoke him just a wee bit. And, he never used
the saw against her in any way, just the furniture. He did admit to grabbing
her and having her up on the counter, but as soon as he realized what he was
doing, he stopped.
Peace,
Tricia
NIdPanhand
>Let's not forget that Annie did provoke him just a wee bit.
Sounds like one of OJ's defenses.
Jan Mc Reynolds
>
> Nid
>
> Everyone knows about the chainsaw incident.
> We don't need to be reminded. I never heard that he tried to choke
> Annie..where you there?
> How do you know this for sure? Where you called to their home? Did an
> imaginary friend tell you this?
>
>
> Linda
As I said earlier today, if someone cut down my burr oak trees that were
over 100 years old, I'm sure that I would be uncontrollably
violent--probably to the point of creating a war. Given enough
unresolved grief and unfinished business, I, too, have a Hitler aspect
in my personality--we all do. What John did was not socially-acceptable
behavior, but I still love him--worts and all. Jan in NE
Janet Burns
control - and Annie's demeanor at the time cannot be used as a scapegoat.
ASLTsmile wrote in message
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>Thank you Jan, Everyone seems to be blameing John solely for this
incident.
LARussl
accused) of killing any one. His wife did have a history of turning up in
emergency rooms battered and bruised and her family did not fear for her life.
LARussl
turning up ..... Sorry, for got to proof read again....
Deborah Barton
Deborah
Flyushome
An interesting story. I wonder if part of John's unreasonable outburst might
have been because of the personal turmoil he was going through at that time. I
remember read-
ing a newspaper article from his recording session then. Someone interviewed
said we must remember not to put John on a pedestal; he was human. Wonder if
that incident is what he was referring to.
I can tell you that I really related to John's chainsaw incident. I didn't
think it was terrible at all; I did something similar as a result of something
my husband had done. Sometimes we all need to release anger--so long as we
don't harm anyone.
Peace,
Pat
OTTER
> >Thank you Jan, Everyone seems to be blameing John solely for this incident.
> >Let's not forget that Annie did provoke him just a wee bit.
>
> Sounds like one of OJ's defenses.
It is unfortunate but some people are like oil and water. In my
experience, I have seen individuals "provoke" others because they really
knew how to "get to them". This places a huge burden on each party to
remain calm and in control. I would venture a guess that it's a very
difficult thing to do when you're up to your earlobes in an emotional
situation. O. J. Simpson and Nicole Brown are an extreme example that,
unfortunately, is played out all across the world every day. Sadly, Gloria
--
"The moment at hand is the only thing we really own." John Denver
Deborah Barton
ignored me I would leave and put any anger somewhere else. I WOULD NOT
attempt to harm them.
I love John, AND I didn't like some of his behavior. Whether it's
Cassie or John we are talking about, the behavior is different than the
inherent goodness of the person and the behavior is NOT the person.
Peace,
Deborah
> I never said it excused him for what he did. I just said there is two
> sides to
> everything. Let me ask you something...if you were already feeling
> very
> defensive and very upset about something, and went to the person who
> was making
> you feel this way, and tried to talk to them about it, and they simply
>
> dismissed you...how would you feel?
>
> I'm not saying this is grounds for choking (or almost choking)
> someone, I'm
> just saying that we humans do have feelings, and when they get hurt
> very badly,
> we do stupid things sometimes. John was in a time of his life where
> everything
> was closing in on him, and for Annie to treat him the way she did sent
> him past
> the point of reason. But not so far past that he completely lost
> control.
>
> Believe me, I do not condone spousal abuse of ANY kind!!!
>
> Peace!!
> Tricia
ASLTsmile
NIdPanhand
>think it was terrible at all; I
>Peace,
>Pat
Pat I agree with you. I thought it was really hilarious when I first read about
it. I almost fell down laughing.
fgos...@infoave.net
furniture (which in essence this was "his" furniture as well, but we are
speaking hypothetically here), would you not think that was so bad? It is
never good to lose your temper to that degree. In fact, they now know, it is
never good to lose your temper at all. It can cause all kinds of things to
happen in the body, including a heart attack. Let's quit trying to defend an
incident that is not defendable.
Dot
In South Carolina
In article <199808062302...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
flyu...@aol.com (Flyushome) wrote:
> Deb,
>
> An interesting story. I wonder if part of John's unreasonable outburst might
> have been because of the personal turmoil he was going through at that time.
I
> remember read-
> ing a newspaper article from his recording session then. Someone interviewed
> said we must remember not to put John on a pedestal; he was human. Wonder if
> that incident is what he was referring to.
>
> I can tell you that I really related to John's chainsaw incident. I didn't
> think it was terrible at all; I did something similar as a result of something
> my husband had done. Sometimes we all need to release anger--so long as we
> don't harm anyone.
>
> Peace,
> Pat
>
--
Dot
In South Carolina
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> It is
>never good to lose your temper to that degree. In fact, they now know, it is
>never good to lose your temper at all. It can cause all kinds of things to
>happen in the body, including a heart attack.
I'm not sure I understand...who said it was not good to lose your temper at
all? I've never heard anything like this. When people get angry there needs
to be a release of that anger. Many physical ailments can be traced to the
habit of keeping emotions all bottled up inside. Everyone needs to let their
anger out...lose their temper, so to speak...but in ways that are not harmful
to others or to themselves.
Flyushome
Come on! I do NOT understand why you are persisting in trying to make John
sound like some kind of monster. What he did with the chainsaw harmed no one.
Maybe it was childish, but who among us has never done a childish thing? Have
you NEVER lost your temper? I think it is far worse to hold it back than to
explode a bit. In fact, part of my grief in recent months came, I'm sure, from
holding in a lot of feelings for some 15 years. John did nothing he should be
ashamed of in the chainsaw incident. If Annie could forgive him, why can't
you?
Peace (?)
Pat
Flyushome
no big deal, folks. As someone who's been around a while, I've seen real
violence. John, as he said on Charles Grodin's show, only harmed wood that was
already dead. I guess I have an Irish temper, but really, let's understand
that John was human and did occasionally do human things. There's nothing
wrong with harming furniture, especially hideous furniture!
Peace,
Pat
Janet Burns
attacks anyone or anything with a chain saw is void of self-control at that
particular moment in time.
NO HARM??? Oh, but there was harm - emotional harm that will stay with
Annie for the rest of her life - even though she has had the character to
forgive. I'd be willing to bet she has not forgotten....
I was attacked once - similarly. (The attack does not have to be on the
"physical person" to be harmful.) That was in mid-1970, and I relive the
horror everyday of my life.
The fear that comes with this sort of attack is hard to forget. You relive
that fear in the dark of night. You relive that fear everytime you wake up
in a smoldering sweat in the middle of the night. You relive that fear when
you see your own children facing similar problems, and you pray that it will
be better for them than it was for you. The fear never leaves. Time heals,
but the fear is still there.
"Losing temper" is manifest in pounding on the dinner table and tossing a
bowl of salad across the room. "Losing temper" is kicking the hell out of
the wall and maybe inserting a hole in the sheetrock. "Losing temper" is
breaking your husband's favorite Linda Ronstadt album or tearing up his
picture of Gillian Anderson.
But "losing temper" is NOT a maniacal rampage as described by John himself.
Janet
Flyushome wrote in message
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Deborah Barton
Deb
NIdPanhand
>breaking your husband's favorite Linda Ronstadt album
You did this? Then Townes Van Zandt is definitely not safe in your house.
fgos...@infoave.net
I never said John was a monster. I really resent your saying that. Where in
the world did you get that out of what I posted? My point was, if Cassie or
Annie had done this same thing to John, there would be people on here who
would have hung them, especially Cassie. In otherwords, it is tolerated
where John is concerned , but I doubt very much if anyone on here would have
tolerated this, had it been done to John. This chainsaw incident is not a
harmless incident. It was premeditated in the first place. John went back to
his cabin, where his children were staying with him, and planned the whole
thing out. This was not something that just happened. I don't think it was
harmless to Annie and these kinds of things do have lasting effects. You see
nothing that he should have been ashamed of? Anyone who loses their temper
to that degree usually are ashamed after it happens. If they are not, then
there is something wrong. I never said that I did not forgive him. Why
should I forgive him? He did nothing to me. It is up to Annie to forgive
him, and she obviously did. I said in my other post, that we need to quit
trying to defend an incident that is not defendable. It should be an example
of something to learn from and not say that it is ok. This is an example of
what "not" to do.
Dot
In South Carolina
In article <199808072107...@ladder03.news.aol.com>,
flyu...@aol.com (Flyushome) wrote:
> Dot,
>
> Come on! I do NOT understand why you are persisting in trying to make John
> sound like some kind of monster. What he did with the chainsaw harmed no one.
> Maybe it was childish, but who among us has never done a childish thing? Have
> you NEVER lost your temper? I think it is far worse to hold it back than to
> explode a bit. In fact, part of my grief in recent months came, I'm sure,
from
> holding in a lot of feelings for some 15 years. John did nothing he should be
> ashamed of in the chainsaw incident. If Annie could forgive him, why can't
> you?
>
> Peace (?)
> Pat
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fgos...@infoave.net
yelling, screaming and your face is turning red, you are in big trouble in a
physical way. Your blood pressure is through the roof. This causes heart
attacks and strokes. We used to be told that it is fine to get really angry
and let it all out, but they now know that is not good. The only thing that
helps a situation that results in that kind of anger, is to try and work the
situation out. Of course, it is never good to walk around in an angry state
either, and not express what is going on. You have to find a way to let that
anger go, but not in a manner that results in compeletly losing it.
Dot
In South Carolina
In article <199808071954...@ladder01.news.aol.com>,
-----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==-----
fgos...@infoave.net
there is all kinds of abuse. We are not talking solely about John here.
There is verbal abuse. That kind of abuse is very devastating, as well. How
many times have we seen this in how others talk to their children or how
other children relate to their friends. Talk to people who have been called
"skinny" or "fattie" while they are at their most vunerable, like in their
teens. It goes with them right into their adult years. I have heard parents
do this to their own kids. Words are mightier than the sword. You don't
have to lay a hand on someone to be abusive.
Dot
In South Carolina
In article <6qgahc$hvo$1...@supernews.com>,
> >Dot,
> >
> >Come on! I do NOT understand why you are persisting in trying to make John
> >sound like some kind of monster. What he did with the chainsaw harmed no
> one.
> >Maybe it was childish, but who among us has never done a childish thing?
> Have
> >you NEVER lost your temper? I think it is far worse to hold it back than
> to
> >explode a bit. In fact, part of my grief in recent months came, I'm sure,
> from
> >holding in a lot of feelings for some 15 years. John did nothing he should
> be
> >ashamed of in the chainsaw incident. If Annie could forgive him, why can't
> >you?
> >
> >Peace (?)
> >Pat
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Flyushome
Dr Pepper
>
> >Lorrie,
> >
> >I have the see saw if you want to demonstrate
> >
>
> I knew that would come out wrong when I read it back.........
>
> I was having a "Boy do I want to return to childhood" day because my real world
> has just been so completely a mess lately. I was thinking about how I use to
> escape as a kid to this never-used playground by myself, with my tape player
> and play my JD music where no one could hear it to bother me about it. I use to
> especially like this see-saw seat (more like a glider but we called it a
> see-saw as opposed to a teeter-totter) that I could look out into a valley
> from...
>
> Now I'm sure that was WAY more information than anyone here really needed but
> boy when I just read that back I got all flustered myself!
>
> YIKES!
>
> :)
> Lorrie
Lorrie, I actually think this paints a very cool scenario....I never
thought about escaping to an unused playground to go into deep
contemplation with JD's music....I love it....what a wonderful picture
it paints! I enjoyed your description! Lorraine
Robert & Diane Novak
There was a little boy with a bad temper. His father gave him a bag of
> nails and told him that every time he lost his temper, to hammer a nail
>
> in the back fence. The first day the boy had driven 37 nails into the
> fence.
> Then it gradually dwindled down. He discovered it was easier to hold
> his temper than to drive those nails into the fence. Finally the day
> came
> when the boy didn't lose his temper at all. He told his father about
> it and
> the father suggested that the boy now pull out one nail for each day
> that
> he was able to hold his temper. The days passed and the young boy was
> finally able to tell his father that all the nails were gone. The
> father took
> his son by the hand and led him to the fence. He said, "You have done
> well, my son, but look at the holes in the fence.
> The fence will never be the same.
> When you say things in anger, they leave a scar just like this one.
> You can put a knife in a man and draw it out. It won't matter how many
> times you say I'm sorry, the wound is still there. A verbal wound is as
> bad
> as a physical one.
> Altho there may be some scars that you have left or you have some scars
> in your own life, in time they will heal, as well as the friendship.
> Take
> the time to show that you want to have the best friendship w/ your
> friends.
> Friends are a very rare jewel, indeed. They make you smile and
> encourage
> you to succeed. They lend an ear, they share a word of praise, and
> they
> always want to open their hearts to us. Show your friends how much you
>
> care.
>
Janet Burns wrote in message <6qgahc$hvo$1...@supernews.com>...
Flyushome
Exactly. Please listen to what John said in his interviews with Ray Martin and
Charles Gro-
din. He regretted what he did, but he didn't apologize. He knew he was wrong,
but why can't we forgive him?
God, the media has crucified him! Why must we do the same?
Peace,
pat
LOU
it, because that was the first time he had EVER expressed his anger
!!!!! so lets let it alone !!!!!
LuLu
I Love to Sing My Songs For You.......Yes I do...You know......I
Do......John Denver
RMH6967
When I posted that message back awhile ago about John's temper, I didn't intend
for it to sound negative. You guya are right, he never hurt anyone when he
vented his anger( the Aspen Chainsaw incident). But you know, sometimes you'd
wonder if he was going to physically lash out at someone when he went into his
screaming fits( screaming, throwing things, hitting things etc.) Now I stress
to you, he never did. But, sometimes you'd really wonder.
RMH6967
C Moon
Peace, in John's memory,
Christine
moon...@netcomuk.co.uk
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RMH6967 wrote in message
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RFa7714804
>you'd
>>wonder if he was going to physically lash out at someone when he went into
>his
>>screaming fits( screaming, throwing things, hitting things etc.) Now I
>stress
>>to you, he never did. But, sometimes you'd really wonder.
>>
AND
>"C Moon" responded:
>And how do you know about these "screaming fits"??
>
>Peace, in John's memory,
>Christine
And I say to everyone: Been there, done that, let's not do it again!
Robin