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Batman & Robin vs. Batman Forever
« Thread Started Yesterday at 6:47pm »
After watching these 2 on separate weekends after getting the
Anthology on Blu-Ray (Don't worry I obviously watched the good two
first lol). I found that my opinions have changed since I last saw
them
Batman Forever originally I found the right side of goofy/kickass
however when I watched it recently it severely annoyed me with the
poor Tommy Lee Jones make up, annoying dialog, Jim Carrey whom I
normally love really annoyed me too
Batman & Robin I used to think was an abomination of film-making and
whilst it is far, far, far, far, far, far (repeat ad-nuseam) from a
good or even decent film (The Botanical Gardens charity ball in
particular was painful) I found it a lot less irritating that I once
did
Maybe its a case of high expectations for the first and low for the
2nd but I do find Batman & Robin not as bad as Batman Forever
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Re: Batman & Robin vs. Batman Forever
« Reply #1 Yesterday at 6:51pm »
They're equally terrible. As you said, the bar was lowered by Forever,
so and Robin actually isn't AS egregious, since the preceding film was
already terrible.
So I voted for the fourth option of a fight. Hopefully it's Double DQ
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« Reply #2 Yesterday at 6:53pm »
Batman Forever
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Re: Batman & Robin vs. Batman Forever
« Reply #3 Yesterday at 6:56pm »
Batman and Robin doesn't have Jim Carrey turning the Riddler from one
of the Batman villains ever into one of the worst, so it wins. At
least it was entertaining to me as a kid, which Forever didn't manage.
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Re: Batman & Robin vs. Batman Forever
« Reply #4 Yesterday at 6:56pm »
Batman Forever
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Re: Batman & Robin vs. Batman Forever
« Reply #5 Yesterday at 6:57pm »
Joel Schumacher was a missed opportunity for the Batman franchise, why
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Re: Batman & Robin vs. Batman Forever
« Reply #6 Yesterday at 7:00pm »
Yesterday at 6:57pm, Woody, You Magnificent Bastard wrote:
Joel Schumacher was a missed opportunity for the Batman franchise, why
couldn't we get the Joel Schumacher who made Falling Down and Lost
Boys?
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Re: Batman & Robin vs. Batman Forever
« Reply #7 Yesterday at 7:06pm »
Forever is a strange movie. It tries to retain some of the darkness
and psychological elements of the Burton films (resolving Bruce's
whole revenge/bloodlust character arc for example) while at the same
time trying to pay homage to the 60's tv series. It just comes off as
clumsy and disjointed. It's a movie that doesn't know what it wants to
be and suffers as a result.
B&R, on the other hand, ditches the darkness completely and goes full
on camp. Now I'm a huge fan of the Adam West series, so I don't
necessarily think that modern reinterpretation of that would be a bad
thing. But the problem with B&R is that it lacks any semblance of that
show's wit or charm. It derives most of its "humour" from innuendo and
bad puns. It's more cringeworthy than funny.
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« Reply #8 Yesterday at 7:26pm »
Forever is stronger, but Batman and Robin is pure cheese.
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Re: Batman & Robin vs. Batman Forever
« Reply #9 Yesterday at 7:26pm »
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« Reply #10 Yesterday at 7:29pm »
Forever I actually think is good - not up to the movies that proceeded
it but fine in its own right. Batman & Robin, when it's not involved
in its infamous cheesiness, is just plain boring.
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Re: Batman & Robin vs. Batman Forever
« Reply #11 Yesterday at 8:30pm »
Batman and Robin by far. Its a lot easier to watch if you take it as
an homage to '60's Batman while Forever just falls flat. Really
"Forever" on the surface had the most potential on terms of
characters, its just Carrey was wrong for the Riddler and Tommy Lee
Jones was poorly directed. I really think if taken seriously that Lee
would've made a great Harvey Dent.
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« Reply #12 Yesterday at 8:31pm »
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Re: Batman & Robin vs. Batman Forever
« Reply #13 Yesterday at 8:38pm »
Am I the only one that found Jim Carrey entertaining as The Riddler?
He is the main reason why I don't hate on this movie.
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Re: Batman & Robin vs. Batman Forever
« Reply #14 Yesterday at 8:40pm »
Yesterday at 8:38pm, ohiofan1 wrote:
Am I the only one that found Jim Carrey entertaining as The Riddler?
He is the main reason why I don't hate on this movie.
Yeah, he was pretty good.
Though I wasn't really big on Tommy Lee Jones playing the Joker.
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Re: Batman & Robin vs. Batman Forever
« Reply #15 Yesterday at 9:03pm »
Forever was made as a movie. & Robin was made as a commercial,
according to Chris O'Donnell.
I also don't have a problem with Carrey. I just saw him as a darker
extension of the Gorshin character, even with the stalker subtext in
Forever, cause they hinted at that in Batman: The Movie.
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Re: Batman & Robin vs. Batman Forever
« Reply #16 Yesterday at 9:18pm »
Yesterday at 9:03pm, Michael "Mikey Cee" Coello wrote:
Forever was made as a movie. & Robin was made as a commercial,
according to Chris O'Donnell.
I also don't have a problem with Carrey. I just saw him as a darker
extension of the Gorshin character, even with the stalker subtext in
Forever, cause they hinted at that in Batman: The Movie.
All things considered I still think Gorshin's portrayal was far more
intimidating. There's something about those eyes and that laugh of his
that I just found unsettling, like he was just one foiled plot away
from snapping and going on a puzzle themed killing spree.
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Re: Batman & Robin vs. Batman Forever
« Reply #17 Yesterday at 9:22pm »
Carey didn't really hold a candle to Gorshin. His version was like
Gorshin had downed about five cans of Red Bull and some speed.
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Batman & Robin vs. Batman Forever
« Thread Started Yesterday at 6:47pm »
After watching these 2 on separate weekends after getting the
Anthology on Blu-Ray (Don't worry I obviously watched the good two
first lol). I found that my opinions have changed since I last saw
them
Batman Forever originally I found the right side of goofy/kickass
however when I watched it recently it severely annoyed me with the
poor Tommy Lee Jones make up, annoying dialog, Jim Carrey whom I
normally love really annoyed me too
Batman & Robin I used to think was an abomination of film-making and
whilst it is far, far, far, far, far, far (repeat ad-nuseam) from a
good or even decent film (The Botanical Gardens charity ball in
particular was painful) I found it a lot less irritating that I once
did
Maybe its a case of high expectations for the first and low for the
2nd but I do find Batman & Robin not as bad as Batman Forever
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Re: Batman & Robin vs. Batman Forever
« Reply #1 Yesterday at 6:51pm »
They're equally terrible. As you said, the bar was lowered by Forever,
so and Robin actually isn't AS egregious, since the preceding film was
already terrible.
So I voted for the fourth option of a fight. Hopefully it's Double DQ
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Re: Batman & Robin vs. Batman Forever
« Reply #2 Yesterday at 6:53pm »
Batman Forever
It's the lesser of two evils
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Re: Batman & Robin vs. Batman Forever
« Reply #3 Yesterday at 6:56pm »
Batman and Robin doesn't have Jim Carrey turning the Riddler from one
of the Batman villains ever into one of the worst, so it wins. At
least it was entertaining to me as a kid, which Forever didn't manage.
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Batman Forever
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« Reply #5 Yesterday at 6:57pm »
Joel Schumacher was a missed opportunity for the Batman franchise, why
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Re: Batman & Robin vs. Batman Forever
« Reply #6 Yesterday at 7:00pm »
Yesterday at 6:57pm, Woody, You Magnificent Bastard wrote:
Joel Schumacher was a missed opportunity for the Batman franchise, why
couldn't we get the Joel Schumacher who made Falling Down and Lost
Boys?
Blame WB
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Re: Batman & Robin vs. Batman Forever
« Reply #7 Yesterday at 7:06pm »
Forever is a strange movie. It tries to retain some of the darkness
and psychological elements of the Burton films (resolving Bruce's
whole revenge/bloodlust character arc for example) while at the same
time trying to pay homage to the 60's tv series. It just comes off as
clumsy and disjointed. It's a movie that doesn't know what it wants to
be and suffers as a result.
B&R, on the other hand, ditches the darkness completely and goes full
on camp. Now I'm a huge fan of the Adam West series, so I don't
necessarily think that modern reinterpretation of that would be a bad
thing. But the problem with B&R is that it lacks any semblance of that
show's wit or charm. It derives most of its "humour" from innuendo and
bad puns. It's more cringeworthy than funny.
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Forever is stronger, but Batman and Robin is pure cheese.
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Re: Batman & Robin vs. Batman Forever
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without even voting yet, gee i wonder which is leading
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« Reply #10 Yesterday at 7:29pm »
Forever I actually think is good - not up to the movies that proceeded
it but fine in its own right. Batman & Robin, when it's not involved
in its infamous cheesiness, is just plain boring.
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Re: Batman & Robin vs. Batman Forever
« Reply #11 Yesterday at 8:30pm »
Batman and Robin by far. Its a lot easier to watch if you take it as
an homage to '60's Batman while Forever just falls flat. Really
"Forever" on the surface had the most potential on terms of
characters, its just Carrey was wrong for the Riddler and Tommy Lee
Jones was poorly directed. I really think if taken seriously that Lee
would've made a great Harvey Dent.
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Whoever wins, we already lost.
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Re: Batman & Robin vs. Batman Forever
« Reply #13 Yesterday at 8:38pm »
Am I the only one that found Jim Carrey entertaining as The Riddler?
He is the main reason why I don't hate on this movie.
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Re: Batman & Robin vs. Batman Forever
« Reply #14 Yesterday at 8:40pm »
Yesterday at 8:38pm, ohiofan1 wrote:
Am I the only one that found Jim Carrey entertaining as The Riddler?
He is the main reason why I don't hate on this movie.
Yeah, he was pretty good.
Though I wasn't really big on Tommy Lee Jones playing the Joker.
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Re: Batman & Robin vs. Batman Forever
« Reply #15 Yesterday at 9:03pm »
Forever was made as a movie. & Robin was made as a commercial,
according to Chris O'Donnell.
I also don't have a problem with Carrey. I just saw him as a darker
extension of the Gorshin character, even with the stalker subtext in
Forever, cause they hinted at that in Batman: The Movie.
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Re: Batman & Robin vs. Batman Forever
« Reply #16 Yesterday at 9:18pm »
Yesterday at 9:03pm, Michael "Mikey Cee" Coello wrote:
Forever was made as a movie. & Robin was made as a commercial,
according to Chris O'Donnell.
I also don't have a problem with Carrey. I just saw him as a darker
extension of the Gorshin character, even with the stalker subtext in
Forever, cause they hinted at that in Batman: The Movie.
All things considered I still think Gorshin's portrayal was far more
intimidating. There's something about those eyes and that laugh of his
that I just found unsettling, like he was just one foiled plot away
from snapping and going on a puzzle themed killing spree.
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Re: Batman & Robin vs. Batman Forever
« Reply #17 Yesterday at 9:22pm »
Carey didn't really hold a candle to Gorshin. His version was like
Gorshin had downed about five cans of Red Bull and some speed.
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