Awefully quiet in here!
George Perry
Slartibartfast
>
>Especially for an election year!
>
I just don't know what to start a conversation around.
Sunday I went to my friend Susan King's campaign kickoff
party for her push for Matt Gonzalez's seat in San Francisco.
I enjoyed the party, and I took a bunch of pictures, and they
are on my site right now.
I feel funny telling people outside the area about it, even
though it is state of the art Green Politics....
You guys want to see some forwards from insider Green
Party mailing lists? I could bring you up to date on that
stuff...
Tian
--
http://tian.greens.org
I tot the free concert in San Jose this afternoon. The
headliner was Three Days Grace, but my favorite song
was the cover of that Kinks song "I'm an ape man"
done by this Boston band named Apollo Sunshine.
Pure Chewing Satisfaction
I'm hangin in alt.politics.greens, where I get more electioneering (global
warming, hegemony and mayhem) than I can take.
On the subject of JB - "Jello Biafra and the Melvins" record is supposed to
be released October 19, Alternative Tentacles website now claims. No Melvins
mp3s to be found at AT.
Melvins website - http://www.themelvins.net - has been posting one mp3 every
week or so. I have downloaded:
The Melvins-Spit It Out.mp3
TheMelvins-The Bloated Pope.mp3
a buddy gave me a download of Biafra in London (c.12/2001). Lost the URL but I
mean to do a Google search on: Biafra_Lond_2001.mp3
Slartibartfast
ZMAG or somebody like that. It had a JB tune on it I didn't
recognise, backed up by samples from that Buffalo
Springfield tune about "Something happening in here".
Stylistically it sounded like DIE FOR OIL SUCKER, but it
wasn't that.
I asked him about it, and there wasn't anything written
down to show me. All the CD had on it was a pattern of
ZMAGs. Most of it was anti war, and the Jello song was
no exception.
Anybody have furnther news? My curiosity is killing me...
Tian
--
http://tian.greens.org
I spent last evening in the San Mateo County Green Party
Booth at the San Mateo County Fair. I was surprised
at how much easier to talk to the Republicans were
than the Democrats up there. I got a Steve Poizner pin.
George Perry
Tian, would you vote for the Dems if it were close in your
riding/county/whatever it is you guys have down there?
i voted Liberal last time, just in case it were close. i feel dirty. Of
course, showing up for work each morning makes me feel worse (whore-ish),
but that's another story.
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Rev. Mercutio Jones
"George Perry" <georg...@sympatico.caca> wrote in message
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> sounds kinda cool, an angry punk mixed with a dirty hippie!
>
> Tian, would you vote for the Dems if it were close in your
> riding/county/whatever it is you guys have down there?
I have limited voting choices where I live. Republican, Democrat,
Libertarian, and what the hell ever that Ross Perot party is. That's it.
No write-ins allowed.
Bastards.
Slartibartfast
>Tian, would you vote for the Dems if it were close in your
>riding/county/whatever it is you guys have down there?
I vote for a Democrat every now and then. I don't mind
when we are talking about a good Democrat. It's the same
with the Republicans. I've enjoyed voting for Tom
Campbell at least a time or two. That was a great Republican!
Speaking of Republicans, I just saw a Steve Poizner commercial.
He was promising to be a real change. Pro-choice, anti oil
drilling, anti special interest. The proof is in the pudding,
but his ad looks good and it's getting air time on the Monday
Night postgame show. I dunno what to think...
>
>i voted Liberal last time, just in case it were close. i feel dirty.
>Of course, showing up for work each morning makes me feel
>worse (whore-ish), but that's another story.
Yeah, there are lots of compromises in life. I deal with them
to.
Tian
--
http://tian.greens.org
I spent Sat. evening in the San Mateo County Green Party
The Honorable Reverend Regina Reaganchild
> >Of course, showing up for work each morning makes me feel
> >worse (whore-ish), but that's another story.
Jello once described voting for one of the two major parties as
"Choosing the lesser of two evils". It's a choice that I would rather
not have to make. I really hate saying this, but I have decided to
vote Kerry. This is most likely one of the most important elections
of our time. I just feel as if I need to help make it as slight of a
victory as possible for Bush in Texas. From the way people are
talking here in his home state, it almost feels as if Kerry could take
Texas...For a fleeting, foolish moment.
I do not dislike John Kerry at this point, in fact he's raised some
good points.
Just not Bush. Anything but Bush.
Jody Ferguson
> Just not Bush. Anything but Bush.
Ten out of ten terrorists agree.
Rival Skeleton
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/FB14Aa03.html
Bin Laden wants Bush to win.
Bush is Al Qaida's greatest marketing tool.
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George Perry
"The Honorable Reverend Regina Reaganchild" <alison...@comcast.net> wrote
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Great post.
Rival Skeleton
Best to get it from the horse's mouth:
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/040317/325/eotq9.html
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Jody Ferguson
Rival Skeleton wrote:
>
> Think again:
> http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/FB14Aa03.html
> Bin Laden wants Bush to win.
> Bush is Al Qaida's greatest marketing tool.
Oh yeah. He's quaking in his boots over John Kerry.
The Honorable Reverend Regina Reaganchild
Thanks George!
To Jody, I am interested to hear why you made the statement about the
terrorists. I don't understand if you've read something that has lead
you to believe that John Kerry is pure evil or you're just not happy
that I'm not voting Green. Because if that is the case, I understand.
I would've loved to vote with my heart, especially considering the
fact that this'll be my first time to vote. Sadly, however, I have to
go with my gut this time.
Jody Ferguson
The Honorable Reverend Regina Reaganchild wrote:
> To Jody, I am interested to hear why you made the statement about the
> terrorists. I don't understand if you've read something that has lead
> you to believe that John Kerry is pure evil or you're just not happy
> that I'm not voting Green. Because if that is the case, I understand.
> I would've loved to vote with my heart, especially considering the
> fact that this'll be my first time to vote. Sadly, however, I have to
> go with my gut this time.
You can vote for whoever you want. It's no concern of mine. My comment
had to do with your "anyone but Bush" comment. Anyone? Really?
Someone like David Duke would be preferable? Or is it really like how I
believe it is in most other cases... "I'd vote for *any Democrat*
instead of Bush, but I don't want to be called a sell-out for voting for
someone like Kerry." I don't think you have much to be concerned about
there. His wife may be rich, but he's enough of a leftist to gain the
support of Communist Party USA. That should shut any cool leftist peers
up.
Jody Ferguson
Jody Ferguson wrote:
> Oh yeah. He's quaking in his boots over John Kerry.
No, wait. Kerry has actually admitted to committing atrocities and
crimes against humanity. Maybe Osama *should* be afraid of Kerry.
Or perhaps admire him.
marc_CH
> His wife may be rich, but he's enough of a leftist to gain the
> support of Communist Party USA.
All you are doing here is showing (again) that the average American
wouldn't know what 'Communism' is if it arse-raped you in the shower.
marc
Jody Ferguson
What would you consider "the average American"?
Jody Ferguson
marc_CH wrote:
> All you are doing here is showing (again) that the average American
> wouldn't know what 'Communism' is if it arse-raped you in the shower.
>
> marc
Are you suggesting the Communist USA party is leaning to the right? Not
sure what you're getting at.
Rival Skeleton
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Jody Ferguson
Rival Skeleton wrote:
>
> Jody is a troll.
Sure. Killfile me, please.
Rival Skeleton
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>
>
> Rival Skeleton wrote:
> >
> > Jody is a troll.
>
> Oh wait... You're from Norway. Suppose I should give you some leeway...
Jody Ferguson
Rival Skeleton wrote:
>
> Jody is a troll.
Rival Skeleton is a socialist.
Rival Skeleton
Slartibartfast
Yesterday I got called a Comunist by a guy that saw I was wearing
a DEFEAT BUSH AGAIN button at the Peace Vigil in Palo Alto...
Tian
--
http://tian.greens.org
I got a copy of The Sovereignty Revolution by Alan
Cranston Tuesday evening at my favorite bookstore. In it
he seems to be arguing that the role of international law
and individual rights need to be part our sovereignty.
Jody Ferguson
Slartibartfast wrote:
> Yesterday I got called a Comunist by a guy that saw I was wearing
> a DEFEAT BUSH AGAIN button at the Peace Vigil in Palo Alto...
>
> Tian
Did you take it as an insult? Seems quite close to your affiliation,
from what I've seen.
George Perry
"Slartibartfast" <dontbe...@aol.com69824137> wrote in message
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> Jody Ferguson wrote:
>
> >Rival Skeleton wrote:
> >>
> >> Jody is a troll.
> >
> >Rival Skeleton is a socialist.
> >
>
> Yesterday I got called a Comunist by a guy that saw I was wearing
> a DEFEAT BUSH AGAIN button at the Peace Vigil in Palo Alto...
an enlightened Stanford student no doubt!
Slartibartfast
>Slartibartfast wrote:
>
>> Yesterday I got called a Comunist by a guy that saw I was wearing
>> a DEFEAT BUSH AGAIN button at the Peace Vigil in Palo Alto...
>>
>
>Did you take it as an insult? Seems quite close to your
>affiliation, from what I've seen.
The guy used a tone of voice that made it sound like "nigger".
That alone was insulting, regardless of how it looks on the page.
Jody Ferguson
Slartibartfast wrote:
> The guy used a tone of voice that made it sound like "nigger".
>
> That alone was insulting, regardless of how it looks on the page.
>
> Tian
I find it quite silly that you'd use that word to express your imagined
oppression.
As an aside about your Sore Loserman "Defeat Bush Again" button, maybe
*you* should brush up on the Electoral College system. Maybe you should
have paid attention to the recounts that followed, and maybe even
questioned why Gore was not interested in recounting the Panhandle votes
or even counting absentee ballots the *first* time.
"Every vote counts", my ass. Every probable *DEMOCRATIC* vote is more
like it. Gore and the DNC are so fucking transparent. But I thank them
for helping me decide who to vote for this year.
Rival Skeleton
Brings a bit of color in here.
A very amusing troll.
Don't ask me what he's doing on a Jello Biafra board, though...
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Rival Skeleton
-The reading-"my pet goat"-for-seven-minutes-guy?
Can't remember his name right now... umm... Cheney something?
marc_CH
> > All you are doing here is showing (again) that the average American
> > wouldn't know what 'Communism' is if it arse-raped you in the shower.
>
> Are you suggesting the Communist USA party is leaning to the right? Not
> sure what you're getting at.
'What I'm getting at' is that you may as well be scared of vampires as
be scared of the 'Communist USA party'.
marc
marc_CH
> > Oh yeah. He's quaking in his boots over John Kerry.
>
> No, wait. Kerry has actually admitted to committing atrocities and
> crimes against humanity. Maybe Osama *should* be afraid of Kerry.
Maybe someone here can explain why someone's 'war record' is important
in answering the question as to whether or not they'd make a good
President.
marc
Rival Skeleton
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Maybe a cool thing to have a guy who knows what war is like before starting
one...
Just my two cents, not too won over by that guy, but I prefer disliking
someone to be completely horrified by someone...
(C'mon Jody, I laid out the bait...)
Rev. Mercutio Jones
Jody's a fuckwad and a twit and killfiling his dumb ass is the best answer.
Engaging him just encourages him to stay. Kind of like feeding a stray cat,
only a cat may be worth keeping around for mice-killing and such.
Also, he's a whiner and a putz.
--
******************************************
Mercutio Jones
http://groups.msn.com/DayoftheSick
http://dayofthesick.oklahomapunkscene.com
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Rev. Mercutio Jones
"Rival Skeleton" <kars...@rivalskeleton.com> wrote in message
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> Jody's a fun character. Likes to wind people up.
> Brings a bit of color in here.
> A very amusing troll.
> Don't ask me what he's doing on a Jello Biafra board, though...
Probably masturbating when you guys give him attention.
George Perry
> > Maybe someone here can explain why someone's 'war record' is important
> > in answering the question as to whether or not they'd make a good
> > President.
forget 'war record'. Let's talk about Dubya's record as President!
Terry DeLien
You're correct Jody!!!
If they started arse-raping people in the shower that would be a drift to
the right!!!
T.D.
ChodeMasterJ
@datasync.com:
> Gore and the DNC are so fucking transparent. But I thank them
> for helping me decide who to vote for this year.
I vote for you to please shut the fuck up.
James
Jody Ferguson
Rival Skeleton wrote:
>
> Jody's a fun character. Likes to wind people up.
> Brings a bit of color in here.
> A very amusing troll.
> Don't ask me what he's doing on a Jello Biafra board, though...
Started out as a fan, ended up as a critic. Troll, eh? You say that
about everyone whose viewpoint differs from yours?
Jody Ferguson
Rival Skeleton wrote:
> -The reading-"my pet goat"-for-seven-minutes-guy?
> Can't remember his name right now... umm... Cheney something?
Kerry said he couldn't even do that ("couldn't think") for forty-five minutes.
Jody Ferguson
marc_CH wrote:
> 'What I'm getting at' is that you may as well be scared of vampires as
> be scared of the 'Communist USA party'.
>
> marc
Who said they were scared? I merely said they support Kerry. Look it up.
Jody Ferguson
marc_CH wrote:
> Maybe someone here can explain why someone's 'war record' is important
> in answering the question as to whether or not they'd make a good
> President.
>
> marc
Ask Kerry. He's the one who brought it up and has made it the bedrock
of his campaign.
Of course, when Bill Clinton was concerned, he rightly said that what
happened thirty years ago didn't matter as much as the present. His
*present* record is atrocious, so he plays the JFK card and was banking
on his own personal PT 109 story. That's why he's so pissed at the
swifties now. They're fucking up his Sgt. Rock fantasy.
--
Robert "Friar Tuck" Brant Cdr., USN (RET) was skipper of the #96 and #
36 boat and spent time with John Kerry in An Thoi. Kerry and Brant slept
in the same quarters, and Brant used to put Kerry back to bed at night
when Kerry was sleepwalking.
Brant received a call from Kerry at his home in Virginia while he was
watching the Olympics on TV.
KERRY: "Why are all these swift boat guys opposed to me?"
BRANT: "You should know what you said when you came back, the impact it
had on the young sailors and how it was disrespectful of our guys that
were killed over there."
KERRY: "When we dedicated swift boat one in '92, I said to all the swift
guys that I wasn't
talking about the swifties, I was talking about all the rest of the
veterans."
Kerry then asked if he could meet Brant ["You were one of the best"] man
to man, face to face. Brant declined the invite, explaining that Kerry
was obviously not prepared to correct the record on exactly what
happened during Vietnam and what happened when Kerry came back
Jody Ferguson
Don't read what I write. And ignore any responses to me. It's a pretty
easy thing to do. Though your buddy Rob can't quite get that one straight.
Jody Ferguson
"Rev. Mercutio Jones" wrote:
> Jody's a fuckwad and a twit and killfiling his dumb ass is the best answer.
> Engaging him just encourages him to stay. Kind of like feeding a stray cat,
> only a cat may be worth keeping around for mice-killing and such.
>
> Also, he's a whiner and a putz.
And you're a bitch who snipes from behind a supposed killfile.
Rival Skeleton
Nope, I don't say that to everyone that has a different viewpoint, only
those that behave like trolls...
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Rival Skeleton
Hmm, one guy, who's a PRESIDENT gets caught on videotape reading a chillruns
book while an attack on the country is happening, the other guy makes a
statement in an interview.
Difference here, my friend, is that Bush should have been doing something
more presidential than zoning out when the shit hit the fan.
Anyway, I was talking about good old Bushie boy, why do you switch the
subject?
Rival Skeleton
seem to be too critical yourself...
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Jody Ferguson
Rival Skeleton wrote:
> Hmm, one guy, who's a PRESIDENT gets caught on videotape reading a chillruns
> book while an attack on the country is happening, the other guy makes a
> statement in an interview.
"Caught" on videotape? He was in a classroom with kids to read a story
to them. I think under the circumstances, he did quite well. And what
real difference did that seven minutes make? Do you think he had to be
hands on the entire time? Do you not know that action was already being
taken? Would YOU have known exactly what to do and immediately jumped
into action when learning of something of this nature? You may not like
the guy or what he stands for, but to criticize him for this is really
unfair. And why would Kerry make that particular statement if it
weren't true? If he were to lie about something, wouldn't he lie to
make himself look better?
> Difference here, my friend, is that Bush should have been doing something
> more presidential than zoning out when the shit hit the fan.
"More presidential?" The guy's a human too, and up to this point such a
thing was unheard of. You do remember that, don't you? At a time when
soon after even the French were saying "we are all Americans"?
> Anyway, I was talking about good old Bushie boy, why do you switch the
> subject?
The subject was not switched.
Jody Ferguson
Rival Skeleton wrote:
>
> Interesting. What happened that made you dislike good old Jello?
Did I say I dislike him? I just don't believe as much of what he says
as I once did. I still like most of his music and a lot of his spoken
word. But listening back on a good portion of his spoken word, I have a
hard time believing that even he believes it.
Jody Ferguson
Rival Skeleton wrote:
>
> Interesting how you chide people here for being uncritical when you don't
> seem to be too critical yourself...
You think I like everything Bush says and does? Nope. But considering
the alternative...
I've seen plenty of criticism of Bush here, but ZERO criticism of any of
the recent Dem candidates. Of course, I should expect nothing less.
And my criticism does not consist of cheap shots spoon-fed me by Michael
Moore. Can't really say that for many others.
Rival Skeleton
A bit much shoddy conspiracystuff, but at least he knows how to make it
sound entertaining.
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Rival Skeleton
>
> > Hmm, one guy, who's a PRESIDENT gets caught on videotape reading a
chillruns
> > book while an attack on the country is happening, the other guy makes a
> > statement in an interview.
>
> "Caught" on videotape? He was in a classroom with kids to read a story
> to them. I think under the circumstances, he did quite well. And what
> real difference did that seven minutes make? Do you think he had to be
> hands on the entire time? Do you not know that action was already being
> taken? Would YOU have known exactly what to do and immediately jumped
> into action when learning of something of this nature? You may not like
> the guy or what he stands for, but to criticize him for this is really
> unfair.
So you don't think he should have at least made his excuses, gotten up and
ask people what the hell was going on? Maybe leave in case he was the next
target? Pick up his cellphone and ask a couple of questions? Maybe send a
textmessage or two? It's pretty discreet. Wouldn't "upset the children"
-America is under attack
-Hmm? Ok. Can you hold on a bit? This story is mighty interesting.
And there was of course the twenty minute photo-op afterwards. He was in no
hurry.
Shit, that guy is on your payroll and he was snoozing during working hours.
And the pet goat-thing is just the tip of the iceberg. How bout Kyoto,
Enron, the gay marriage debacle, invading Iraq, sending the economy to
kingdom come and getting taxbreaks for the top 1%?
I'm NOT getting into stuff on the pampered fratboy who went AWOL after
skipping Vietnam service, since that is irrelevant. I will neither get into
the ex-alkie, ex coke-fiend going born-again-thing. That's just character
assasination and has nothing to do with his actual job performance. Neither
will I talk about his career as a male cheerleader or failed oil tycoon.
That's just beneath me.
But what was the deal with him refusing to answer questions to the 911
commission unless nothing would be written down AND he could have good old
Tricky Dick "go fuck yourself" Cheney by his side?
Should we talk about his plans for making small strategic nukes? Yikes.
Why change horseman in mid-apocalypse?
But yeah, he is just a guy after all. He's good at serving turkey. And what
a SMASHING flightsuit.
And I think Kerry was honest about what he said. But he wasn't president. It
wasn't his job.
> > Difference here, my friend, is that Bush should have been doing
something
> > more presidential than zoning out when the shit hit the fan.
>
> "More presidential?" The guy's a human too, and up to this point such a
> thing was unheard of. You do remember that, don't you? At a time when
> soon after even the French were saying "we are all Americans"?
>
I sure remember and I was horrified. I can't imagine anyone feeling nothing
but sadness and empathy for you during that time, coupled with as much
support as we could have given you. I love my american friends and I feel
for you, believe it or not. Please don't tell me to shut up since it ain't
none of my business since I'm a foreigner. It is. Norway still got troops in
Iraq and Aghanistan.
And we see you as our friends. Then it feels shitty to be called "old
europe" and stuff. That's just a disgrace. But I digress.
> And why would Kerry make that particular statement if it
> weren't true? If he were to lie about something, wouldn't he lie to
> make himself look better?
>
> > Anyway, I was talking about good old Bushie boy, why do you switch the
> > subject?
>
> The subject was not switched.
-Uh. Ok, semantics warning. I guess you guessed I'm into Kerry, so you fired
off a broadside there when I fired off one about Bush. Relax, I'm not too
impressed by that guy either, but at least he knows what war is like before
starting them.
Man, you should come to our place, we got like tons of candidates to choose
from. It's pretty cool.
Eight prez hopefuls at the last election (I live in Finland, skipping
country is a great idea. Lotsa pretty gurlz which find you interesting
because you're not from there.)
Take care (Shit, this turned out way too long. )
R S
Rev. Mercutio Jones
> Interesting. What happened that made you dislike good old Jello?
It all started when Jody started eating shit....which was an improvement
over his old habit of rubbing it in his hair.
George Perry
sort of nonsense.
C'mon people. Discuss issues, defeat Bush, ideas for a better future!
Let's not waste our time and energy with name calling and flame wars. We
should be better than that!
For example:
How do we get out of Iraq?
How do we stop exporting jobs to third world countries?
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Jody Ferguson
Rival Skeleton wrote:
> So you don't think he should have at least made his excuses, gotten up and
> ask people what the hell was going on? Maybe leave in case he was the next
> target? Pick up his cellphone and ask a couple of questions? Maybe send a
> textmessage or two? It's pretty discreet. Wouldn't "upset the children"
Do you have any idea what was really going on? Everything? Or are you
assuming what was going on based on what you saw in the Moore movie?
Come on, admit it. You saw it and it's coloring your view on it.
Moore's a brilliant propagandist. But he's consistently had trouble
showing the real truth after going through the editing booth.
> And the pet goat-thing is just the tip of the iceberg. How bout Kyoto,
> Enron, the gay marriage debacle, invading Iraq, sending the economy to
> kingdom come and getting taxbreaks for the top 1%?
No, your view on what's happening here isn't one-sided at all. *Ahem*
Do you also agree he wants to hurt us or kill us all by poisoning us
with arsenic? The Dems should truly be ashamed of themselves with that one.
I think he was right to nix Kyoto. Enron was not exclusively supporting
the Republican Party. They gave to the Dems too. And as I recall, it
was a fairly equal amount. I don't know what you expect him to do about
gay marriage, since it is still illegal here. Not every place can be
Finland. (It is Finland where the two guys from The Sugarcubes got
married, isn't it?) A few mayors think they have more power than they
actually have and you're blaming that on Bush? Would you prefer he lay
the smackdown on them? Or give his full blessing to their breaking the
law?
I notice you didn't mention his attacking the Taliban which is what he
did before attacking Iraq. As for the economy, there was a little thing
called 9/11 that happened. I'm sure you've heard of it. Lots of people
around here where I live were re-assigned or simply lost their jobs as a
result.
But then, if you listen to the left, Bush knew about 9/11 in advance.
That seven minutes he sat there NUMB was a carefully practiced maneuver
to cover up his involvement. I'm about sick of hearing about how he's
responsible for the economy going "to kingdom come". Not sure if you've
heard, but the US economy is coming back very strong. Stronger than it
has for a long time. Are you going to give him the credit as well as
the blame? As for the tax breaks, I'm certainly not in the top 1% and I
have seen some returns. So I don't buy the same thing you seem to have bought.
> I'm NOT getting into stuff on the pampered fratboy who went AWOL after
> skipping Vietnam service, since that is irrelevant. I will neither get into
> the ex-alkie, ex coke-fiend going born-again-thing. That's just character
> assasination and has nothing to do with his actual job performance. Neither
> will I talk about his career as a male cheerleader or failed oil tycoon.
> That's just beneath me.
Why don't you spit on his daughters while you're at it?
> But what was the deal with him refusing to answer questions to the 911
> commission unless nothing would be written down AND he could have good old
> Tricky Dick "go fuck yourself" Cheney by his side?
"Tricky Dick"? You know, considering what he'd been saying about Cheney
(and what he'd been saying in general, in my opinion), Patrick Leahy
seriously needed to be told to go fuck himself. I applaud Cheney for
the suggestion.
I have questions similar to yours about why the commission came all over
themselves to give Richard Clarke an exceedingly warm reception (though
much blame for what went wrong lay in his lap) and they wanted to put
Condie Rice on the Iron Maiden. The whole thing was a farce, and I
would probably not give it much credence myself if I were in the same
position. It was a bunch of leftist attackers licking their chops at
the possibility of skewering a Republican president and helping a
Democrat get back in the White House. Kinda like how the 'Pubs went
after Clinton. You know, that's kinda where I moved more to the right
of center. Well, a bit after. I had a major problem with them doing
that back then, but I had more of a problem with Clinton lying under
oath. I think he could have avoided a lot of problems if he'd simply
been honest. But I know that's hard for him.
> But yeah, he is just a guy after all. He's good at serving turkey. And what
> a SMASHING flightsuit.
Never heard that he actually was a pilot, eh? Ever try flying a fighter
jet? When you do, maybe then you have the right to criticize him and
his flightsuit.
> And I think Kerry was honest about what he said. But he wasn't president. It
> wasn't his job.
Do you know what you would have done in the same situation? Second time
I'm asking this. Do you know for sure that you'd jump into action and
head for the Batmobile? I don't really think you do.
> I sure remember and I was horrified. I can't imagine anyone feeling nothing
> but sadness and empathy for you during that time, coupled with as much
> support as we could have given you. I love my american friends and I feel
> for you, believe it or not. Please don't tell me to shut up since it ain't
> none of my business since I'm a foreigner. It is. Norway still got troops in
> Iraq and Aghanistan.
I wouldn't presume to tell you to shut up because of where you're from.
But as I implied earlier in our conversation, where you are from
probably has a lot to do with why you see things the way you do. That
and your political leanings.
> And we see you as our friends. Then it feels shitty to be called "old
> europe" and stuff. That's just a disgrace. But I digress.
I embrace people who act as friends as well as call themselves friends.
I don't see France and Germany as friends in this matter. Especially
since they were Saddam's business partners. I haven't heard much about
Finland being hit by the "Old Europe" label, but then I don't hear much
news about Finland. About as much as I do Luxembourg. I would think
that to be considered "Old Europe", a country and its people would have
to have the "Old Europe" attitude. Like France, with some exceptions.
> -Uh. Ok, semantics warning. I guess you guessed I'm into Kerry, so you fired
> off a broadside there when I fired off one about Bush. Relax, I'm not too
> impressed by that guy either, but at least he knows what war is like before
> starting them.
He's the only other probable guy to be in the White House next year.
Unfortunately. Did you have the same feeling when Clinton attacked the
places he attacked?
> Man, you should come to our place, we got like tons of candidates to choose
> from. It's pretty cool.
> Eight prez hopefuls at the last election (I live in Finland, skipping
> country is a great idea. Lotsa pretty gurlz which find you interesting
> because you're not from there.)
I appreciate the invitation. I am interested in other countries and
I'll consider it when I'm able to travel. As for the girls, wish I'd
known about that a few years ago.
> Take care (Shit, this turned out way too long. )
You too.
marc_CH
> > Maybe someone here can explain why someone's 'war record' is important
> > in answering the question as to whether or not they'd make a good
> > President.
>
> Ask Kerry. He's the one who brought it up and has made it the bedrock
> of his campaign.
It gets brought up on *every* American Presidential election time. I
don't give a tuppenny damn *which side* it is that brings it up. It's
irrelevant.
Or maybe not. Any damn fool silly willing enough to strap on a rifle and
go running at the enemy isn't going to be the sort of person likely to
be smart enough to run a country.
> Of course, when Bill Clinton was concerned, he rightly said that what
> happened thirty years ago didn't matter as much as the present.
He was right. I seem to remember you taking the piss out of him as well,
though.
> His *present* record is atrocious, so he plays the JFK card and was
> banking on his own personal PT 109 story. That's why he's so pissed at
> the swifties now. They're fucking up his Sgt. Rock fantasy.
You'll have to translate this entire paragraph. It sounds like you're
channeling Yoda.
marc
Rival Skeleton
> assuming what was going on based on what you saw in the Moore movie?
> Come on, admit it. You saw it and it's coloring your view on it.
> Moore's a brilliant propagandist. But he's consistently had trouble
> showing the real truth after going through the editing booth.
-Haven't seen it yet. I think Moore is a fun character, but it's mostly Noam
Chomsky in a Readers Digest-version, which I think is good. Far too many
liberals being intellectual snobs. He makes good entertainment out of
serious issues, but what exactly is the truth here? GWB is a good, honest
christian doing his best to work for the best of the american people? Don't
you find that a bit naïve?
You are not defending GWB's apathy by going after Moore, stay with the
subject, man.
> > And the pet goat-thing is just the tip of the iceberg. How bout Kyoto,
> > Enron, the gay marriage debacle, invading Iraq, sending the economy to
> > kingdom come and getting taxbreaks for the top 1%?
>
> No, your view on what's happening here isn't one-sided at all. *Ahem*
> Do you also agree he wants to hurt us or kill us all by poisoning us
> with arsenic? The Dems should truly be ashamed of themselves with that
one.
-My view is subjective, I'm an individual, I don't have to make excuses for
my views. And my gripe is with issues, not political parties. Political
parties of that size are bound to be corrupt. If a Dem would be doing the
same, I would react exactly the same way.
And what?? poisoning us with arsenic??? C'mon, stay with the subject, that's
just baseless accusations.
I mean, I can just as well mention Abu Ghraib as an issue I found truly
disgusting and the administration's unwillingness to take responsibility
just as disgusting.
>
> I think he was right to nix Kyoto.
-That is a long and completely different discussion, at the moment, we just
have to disagree on that one. Or do you think global warming is a question
of personal belief?
>I don't know what you expect him to do about
> gay marriage, since it is still illegal here. Not every place can be
> Finland. (It is Finland where the two guys from The Sugarcubes got
> married, isn't it?) A few mayors think they have more power than they
> actually have and you're blaming that on Bush?
-ehum, might just be me, but didn't this dude try to change the CONSTITUTION
to prevent gays from marrying?
Would you prefer he lay
> the smackdown on them? Or give his full blessing to their breaking the
> law?
-That's your opinion, which seems to be lifted straight from the Republican
handbook. But hey, good to know you've been reading up on your talking
points.
And yeah, I think it's pretty cool that gay people get the same rights as us
heteros.
And you breaking the issue down to legalese doesn't change what was going
on. It was not about renegade mayors on the rampage, it was about CIVIL
RIGHTS.
> I notice you didn't mention his attacking the Taliban which is what he
> did before attacking Iraq. As for the economy, there was a little thing
> called 9/11 that happened. I'm sure you've heard of it. Lots of people
> around here where I live were re-assigned or simply lost their jobs as a
> result.
>
> But then, if you listen to the left, Bush knew about 9/11 in advance.
-??? You crazy?
> That seven minutes he sat there NUMB was a carefully practiced maneuver
> to cover up his involvement. I'm about sick of hearing about how he's
> responsible for the economy going "to kingdom come". Not sure if you've
> heard, but the US economy is coming back very strong. Stronger than it
> has for a long time. Are you going to give him the credit as well as
> the blame? As for the tax breaks, I'm certainly not in the top 1% and I
> have seen some returns. So I don't buy the same thing you seem to have
bought.
- Unemployment's sloowly going down, replacement jobs being paid far less,
poverty's on the rise. Didn't you read the American Cencus report? Or is
that just another piece of leftist propaganda?
> > I'm NOT getting into stuff on the pampered fratboy who went AWOL after
> > skipping Vietnam service, since that is irrelevant. I will neither get
into
> > the ex-alkie, ex coke-fiend going born-again-thing. That's just
character
> > assasination and has nothing to do with his actual job performance.
Neither
> > will I talk about his career as a male cheerleader or failed oil tycoon.
> > That's just beneath me.
>
> Why don't you spit on his daughters while you're at it?
>
-Of course not. Like I said, I'm not interested in discussing those
subjects.
> > But what was the deal with him refusing to answer questions to the 911
> > commission unless nothing would be written down AND he could have good
old
> > Tricky Dick "go fuck yourself" Cheney by his side?
>
> "Tricky Dick"? You know, considering what he'd been saying about Cheney
> (and what he'd been saying in general, in my opinion), Patrick Leahy
> seriously needed to be told to go fuck himself. I applaud Cheney for
> the suggestion.
-Do you really want street language on the Senate floor? Thought Repubs were
all family-values, no swearing-types...
Still, you are switching the subject. Why did Bush need Dick by his side?
Why were the commission not allowed to take notes?
> I have questions similar to yours about why the commission came all over
> themselves to give Richard Clarke an exceedingly warm reception (though
> much blame for what went wrong lay in his lap) and they wanted to put
> Condie Rice on the Iron Maiden.
-Ehum. One guy was not working with this when this atrocity happened,
another did. Of COURSE they are not to be asked about things that are
supposedly their responsibility.
The whole thing was a farce, and I
> would probably not give it much credence myself if I were in the same
> position. It was a bunch of leftist attackers licking their chops at
> the possibility of skewering a Republican president and helping a
> Democrat get back in the White House. Kinda like how the 'Pubs went
> after Clinton. You know, that's kinda where I moved more to the right
> of center. Well, a bit after. I had a major problem with them doing
> that back then, but I had more of a problem with Clinton lying under
> oath. I think he could have avoided a lot of problems if he'd simply
> been honest. But I know that's hard for him.
>
> > But yeah, he is just a guy after all. He's good at serving turkey. And
what
> > a SMASHING flightsuit.
>
> Never heard that he actually was a pilot, eh? Ever try flying a fighter
> jet? When you do, maybe then you have the right to criticize him and
> his flightsuit.
- Actually, I liked the "Mission accomplished"-banner in the background
better. What a hoot.
And scuse me, I have to become a pilot to criticize pilots??? *lol*
> > And I think Kerry was honest about what he said. But he wasn't
president. It
> > wasn't his job.
>
> Do you know what you would have done in the same situation? Second time
> I'm asking this. Do you know for sure that you'd jump into action and
> head for the Batmobile? I don't really think you do.
-Think I answered your question at the start of this... Talk to people, get
out of the firing line, get as much info as possible.Not that hard, is it?
Didn't NATO have an exercise in Washington involving hijacked planes used
as missiles two years before? Not too sure about that one, but wouldn't that
imply that they had imagined such a scenario and would have drawn up crisis
plans? Isn't that their job?
> > I sure remember and I was horrified. I can't imagine anyone feeling
nothing
> > but sadness and empathy for you during that time, coupled with as much
> > support as we could have given you. I love my american friends and I
feel
> > for you, believe it or not. Please don't tell me to shut up since it
ain't
> > none of my business since I'm a foreigner. It is. Norway still got
troops in
> > Iraq and Aghanistan.
>
> I wouldn't presume to tell you to shut up because of where you're from.
> But as I implied earlier in our conversation, where you are from
> probably has a lot to do with why you see things the way you do. That
> and your political leanings.
-Yeah, we got social democrats running the place over here. It's not
perfect, but it's pretty ok.
>
> > And we see you as our friends. Then it feels shitty to be called "old
> > europe" and stuff. That's just a disgrace. But I digress.
>
> I embrace people who act as friends as well as call themselves friends.
> I don't see France and Germany as friends in this matter. Especially
> since they were Saddam's business partners. I haven't heard much about
> Finland being hit by the "Old Europe" label, but then I don't hear much
> news about Finland. About as much as I do Luxembourg. I would think
> that to be considered "Old Europe", a country and its people would have
> to have the "Old Europe" attitude. Like France, with some exceptions.
>
- If a friend of yours was about to do something really stupid, would you
follow him blindly or would you put the foot down? Or do you just want
friends that agree with you in everything you say and do?
Honestly, that's a hostile attitude.
Interesting how you are avoiding the subject of Iraq. Admit it, it was a
fuck-up of huge proportions. Or are you gonna go with the "The world is a
better place without Saddam"-line?
> > -Uh. Ok, semantics warning. I guess you guessed I'm into Kerry, so you
fired
> > off a broadside there when I fired off one about Bush. Relax, I'm not
too
> > impressed by that guy either, but at least he knows what war is like
before
> > starting them.
>
> He's the only other probable guy to be in the White House next year.
> Unfortunately. Did you have the same feeling when Clinton attacked the
> places he attacked?
-No, I thought it was disgusting, of course. Why do you assume I'm a Clinton
apologist?
Jody Ferguson
marc_CH wrote:
> Or maybe not. Any damn fool silly willing enough to strap on a rifle and
> go running at the enemy isn't going to be the sort of person likely to
> be smart enough to run a country.
It's because of those "damn fools" that you are not speaking German now.
> He was right. I seem to remember you taking the piss out of him as well,
> though.
For avoiding military service? Where?
> > His *present* record is atrocious, so he plays the JFK card and was
> > banking on his own personal PT 109 story. That's why he's so pissed at
> > the swifties now. They're fucking up his Sgt. Rock fantasy.
>
> You'll have to translate this entire paragraph. It sounds like you're
> channeling Yoda.
I don't have to do anything. Maybe you're watching too many Star Wars movies.
Rev. Mercutio Jones
"George Perry" <georg...@sympatico.caca> wrote in message
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> it makes me so sad that a NG named after Jello Biafra has resulted in this
> sort of nonsense.
OK, I'll stop, although I have no use for Jody, period.
Slartibartfast
>I don't have to do anything. Maybe
>you're watching too many Star Wars
>movies.
Greetings from Contra Costa County, California...
Tian
--
http://tian.greens.org
I'm on my way to Burning Man!
Jody Ferguson
Rival Skeleton wrote:
> -Haven't seen it yet. I think Moore is a fun character, but it's mostly Noam
> Chomsky in a Readers Digest-version, which I think is good. Far too many
> liberals being intellectual snobs. He makes good entertainment out of
> serious issues, but what exactly is the truth here?
You refer to Chomsky and ask for truth? Good luck.
>GWB is a good, honest
> christian doing his best to work for the best of the american people? Don't
> you find that a bit naïve?
You may. Like I did with Clinton before he lied under oath, I'm giving
him the benefit of the doubt. Sorry.
> You are not defending GWB's apathy by going after Moore, stay with the
> subject, man.
You see it as apathy, huh? You call going after the Taliban apathy?
And as I recall, he did it pretty swiftly.
> -My view is subjective, I'm an individual, I don't have to make excuses for
> my views. And my gripe is with issues, not political parties. Political
> parties of that size are bound to be corrupt. If a Dem would be doing the
> same, I would react exactly the same way.
You seem quite myopic about the doins' of Democrats, it appears to me.
> And what?? poisoning us with arsenic??? C'mon, stay with the subject, that's
> just baseless accusations.
Baseless accusations made by leftists.
> I mean, I can just as well mention Abu Ghraib as an issue I found truly
> disgusting and the administration's unwillingness to take responsibility
> just as disgusting.
Oh, they're not dealing with that? They never sent anyone over? No one
is standing trial?
> > I think he was right to nix Kyoto.
>
> -That is a long and completely different discussion, at the moment, we just
> have to disagree on that one. Or do you think global warming is a question
> of personal belief?
I do think there is a considerable amount of bullshit concerning it. I
would need time to get further into it, but I wrote it off a long time
ago. As I recall, it was similar to the arsenic thing.
> -ehum, might just be me, but didn't this dude try to change the CONSTITUTION
> to prevent gays from marrying?
My mistake. At any rate, I think it should be put on a ballot for all
to decide.
> Would you prefer he lay
> > the smackdown on them? Or give his full blessing to their breaking the
> > law?
>
> -That's your opinion, which seems to be lifted straight from the Republican
> handbook. But hey, good to know you've been reading up on your talking
> points.
Really? Please refer me to the talking points from the 'Pub handbook in
which you saw my statement. That'd be quite the coincidence.
> And yeah, I think it's pretty cool that gay people get the same rights as us
> heteros.
> And you breaking the issue down to legalese doesn't change what was going
> on. It was not about renegade mayors on the rampage, it was about CIVIL
> RIGHTS.
I think domestic partnerships should be recognized and respected.
By the way, Kerry doesn't support "gay marriage" either.
> > But then, if you listen to the left, Bush knew about 9/11 in advance.
>
> -??? You crazy?
You never heard about it??? Made it to the Senate floor.
> - Unemployment's sloowly going down, replacement jobs being paid far less,
> poverty's on the rise. Didn't you read the American Cencus report? Or is
> that just another piece of leftist propaganda?
Did you see the actual Census report, or did you see a story about it
from MSNBC? I'm having a hard time finding the original source, so if
you have a link, clue me in.
> > > I'm NOT getting into stuff on the pampered fratboy who went AWOL after
> > > skipping Vietnam service, since that is irrelevant. I will neither get
> into
> > > the ex-alkie, ex coke-fiend going born-again-thing. That's just
> character
> > > assasination and has nothing to do with his actual job performance.
> Neither
> > > will I talk about his career as a male cheerleader or failed oil tycoon.
> > > That's just beneath me.
> >
> > Why don't you spit on his daughters while you're at it?
> >
> -Of course not. Like I said, I'm not interested in discussing those
> subjects.
Uh-huh. You don't want to discuss them. You just wanted to bring them
up and act like it was a freudian slip, of sorts. Why should I expect
any less?
> -Do you really want street language on the Senate floor? Thought Repubs were
> all family-values, no swearing-types...
You believe the stereotypes, don't you? I agree that for there to be
stereotypes, there has to be someone to reinforce them. Otherwise, they
wouldn't exist. Not every Pub is the same, no matter what you've heard.
It was a quiet aside to Sen. Leahy, as I heard. Not something
broadcast across the floor or the media until a Dem thought he could use
it for political fodder. Leahy had been taking some cheap shots and
making false accusations toward Cheney, so I think he deserved it.
Very tame compared to what I've seen in Britain's Parliament. Or
Japan's. Have you not seen them, or do you hold them to a different
standard? As a matter of fact, I'd see things like this as a welcome
change to the false smiles and fake politeness in the Senate as well as
Congress. They'd have some lowering to do to reach the level of the
Parliaments in the UK and Japan, though. Bet C-SPAN's rating would go
through the roof, though.
> Still, you are switching the subject. Why did Bush need Dick by his side?
> Why were the commission not allowed to take notes?
Why don't you ask them? If there were any nasty dirt to be hurled
afterward, I'm sure Ben-Veniste and Bob Kerrey would have hurled it.
From memory. I don't remember hearing anything. You?
> - Actually, I liked the "Mission accomplished"-banner in the background
> better. What a hoot.
> And scuse me, I have to become a pilot to criticize pilots??? *lol*
You said he was "good for serving turkey" and commented on his "smashing
flight suit" to belittle him. Pilot a jet, and maybe I'll take your
statement as something more than sour grapes with a snotty attitude.
> -Think I answered your question at the start of this... Talk to people, get
> out of the firing line, get as much info as possible.Not that hard, is it?
He got on a plane soon after and headed for Shreveport, LA. But those
seven minutes were very crucial. I do agree with you on that now. Can
you tell me exactly how those seven minutes would have prevented
anything that happened afterward?
> Didn't NATO have an exercise in Washington involving hijacked planes used
> as missiles two years before? Not too sure about that one, but wouldn't that
> imply that they had imagined such a scenario and would have drawn up crisis
> plans? Isn't that their job?
Yeah, they should have hired a psychic to tell them these guys were
going to hijack the planes. That way if they'd been caught, this would
never have happened and those guys would be in the courts complaining
that they'd been "racially profiled".
> -Yeah, we got social democrats running the place over here. It's not
> perfect, but it's pretty ok.
Must be. You're more concerned about my government than yours. Thanks
for your concern.
> - If a friend of yours was about to do something really stupid, would you
> follow him blindly or would you put the foot down? Or do you just want
> friends that agree with you in everything you say and do?
No, I'd expect him to check me when I needed it. But if my friend
wouldn't stand with me because of his financial ties and partnerships
(not to mention personal friendships where Chirac is concerned) with my
enemy, he's not my friend, is he?
> Interesting how you are avoiding the subject of Iraq. Admit it, it was a
> fuck-up of huge proportions. Or are you gonna go with the "The world is a
> better place without Saddam"-line?
I don't think Iraq is the fuck-up people like you would have me believe.
After all, if you have questions about the presence of WMDs in Saddam's
regime or wonder if the world is a better place without him, ask a Kurd.
My bet is that they were moved to Syria. I'd love for that to come to
light. Though it wouldn't get much play in the media. Ask an Iraqi in
a couple of years time whether they're better off then than when Saddam
was in power. Unless they're a Baathist, I'm sure their response will
more often than not be positive.
By the way, Saddam wasn't even supposed to have the Scuds he launched
when we attacked. Wonder why the UN couldn't find them?
> -No, I thought it was disgusting, of course. Why do you assume I'm a Clinton
> apologist?
I don't assume anything. Well, at least not too much anyway. Just
checking, that's all.
Jody Ferguson
Jody Ferguson wrote:
>
> Rival Skeleton wrote:
>
> > -Haven't seen it yet. I think Moore is a fun character, but it's mostly Noam
> > Chomsky in a Readers Digest-version, which I think is good. Far too many
> > liberals being intellectual snobs. He makes good entertainment out of
> > serious issues, but what exactly is the truth here?
>
> You refer to Chomsky and ask for truth? Good luck.
A little late, but I finally got it. Sorry about that.
Pure Chewing Satisfaction
http://users.bestweb.net/~mccomb/Food_on_Your_Family.mp3
apparently unauthorized remix
lauren....@gmail.com
> Especially for an election year!
Is this group concerned with creating and curating optimal outcomes for ALL chillrins in the world?