Jello on Politically Incorrect with Bill Maher
Itsnotweda
on of "Politically Incorrect with Bill Maher"? Has anyone ever seen this
episode? Any other info... ?
Medieval Knievel
Itsnotweda wrote in message
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He doesn't say a whole lot at first. He talks about the maximum wage idea,
and everbody calls it communism. There is some kind of anti-abortion
alternative music christian guy who runs his mouth too much, a bimbo girl
from TV, and Jonathan Stewart, who is the only other decent guest.
A while back Henry Rollins and Harlan Ellison were on together and I about
shit my pants.
If you haven't read any Ellison, the guy is awesome. He's usually in
science fiction, but he has written a bunch of just incredible angry, venom
filled things that are witty. He has tow books about TV called the Glass
Teat abd the Other Glass Teat that Biafra fans might get into.
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michelle
> http://abc.go.com/pi/forum/xscripts/19990407.html
The transcript is not available there anymore. I have it archived here:
http://www.weirdsistersbooks.com/jb/PI_04_07_1999.txt
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"Medieval Knievel" <smell_of_...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> He doesn't say a whole lot at first. He talks about the maximum wage
idea,
> and everbody calls it communism. There is some kind of anti-abortion
> alternative music christian guy who runs his mouth too much, a bimbo
girl
> from TV, and Jonathan Stewart, who is the only other decent guest.
>
> A while back Henry Rollins and Harlan Ellison were on together and I
about
> shit my pants.
> If you haven't read any Ellison, the guy is awesome. He's usually in
> science fiction, but he has written a bunch of just incredible angry,
venom
> filled things that are witty. He has tow books about TV called the
Glass
> Teat abd the Other Glass Teat that Biafra fans might get into.
I'm very glad to find a fellow Ellison fan who also likes Jello and
Rollins. I think there is a lot of commonality among them, especially
HE and Jello. Incidentally, White Wolf Publishers has been reprinting
HE's works under the series title "Edgeworks" and the next volume, five,
is due to come out sometime late this year, early next. It will include
both Glass teat and Other Glass Teat with an updated index and notes
about relevance by Ellison.
As far as Jello on PI goes, the show should be an hour-long deal not
this 30 minute commercial filled pablum, then maybe folks like Jello and
Harlan could get some sane words in.
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Medieval Knievel
kilg...@my-deja.com wrote in message <7o7tc5$a2f$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
Incidentally, White Wolf Publishers has been reprinting
>HE's works under the series title "Edgeworks" and the next volume, five,
>is due to come out sometime late this year, early next. It will include
>both Glass teat and Other Glass Teat with an updated index and notes
>about relevance by Ellison.
It is still relevant, although the TV shows that HE discusses are things
like Mod Squad and Hee Haw (used to be on prime time major network). Just
insert "Friends" or whatever, and his criticisms still apply. There's a
piece on the "our Little Miss" pageant that looks like Jon Benets parents
should have read.
Medieval Knievel
We Dont Need The English wrote in message
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>I can't STAND Henry Rollins.
Really? Why not?
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Laz
About that comment you just made--I don't get the attraction. Rollins
doesn't seem do anything that no one else hasn't already done before and
better. He's not a pioneer. His poetry is hardly good. He has potential, it
seems, to write a decent novel but just doesn't seem to be straight forward
enough to want to do that. He seems perpetually lost in the angry mind of a
teenage suburban boy. His music isn't very good, since leaving Black Flag,
but I must say that his work with Tool and on "...Burn" was pretty good.
His acting is terrible. He does any talk show or advert at the drop of a
dime.
I could see this fascination over
Jim Carroll
Jello Biafra
Patti Smith
Burroughs
the underrated Nick Cave
Exene Cervenka
Tom Waites,
or even Lou Reed;
but Henry Rollins?
I saw him over 2 decades ago, once with Black Flag and the other time on a
poetry tour. He was actually very good, back then. He had something to say
and write about, his work on "English as A Second Language" was good too. I
guess the term I'm looking for is he was honest--just a an average joe
trying his best at something. His first solo release had promise. But I
can't see any value in his work these days. Body builders and jocks go nuts
over him and I don't think that there is a frat boy around who doesn't
groove to his image. He doesn't even seem to like or respect his audience.
He constantly jaded and really into this 'nobody has suffered more than me
and I'm a real mother fucker' attitude.
What's the attraction?
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Laz
"Be true to your friends if heavens fall."
Cole Younger
Alf455
sheen...who's name escapes me right now.. as for the rollins band...well they
just suck.
"SILENCE KILLS THE REVOLUTION!!"
alf
Laz
> but you hafta admit he was pretty funny in that movie with charlie
> sheen...who's name escapes me right now.. as for the rollins band...well they
> just suck.
No, he really wasn't. He just played himself, as neo-nazi LA Cop (far reaching)
and the film was called "Chase".
>
>
> "SILENCE KILLS THE REVOLUTION!!"
And yes Alf, Silence does.... Spot on!!!
Medieval Knievel
Alf455 wrote in message <19990804002802...@ng-fi1.aol.com>...
>but you hafta admit he was pretty funny in that movie with charlie
>sheen...who's name escapes me right now.. as for the rollins band...well
they
>just suck.
He has a new line-up with the band Mother Superior backing him. The Texas
Hotel records I really like, and End of Silence, but the last two were
mediocre mostly.
It's too bad that jocks and frat boys are now into him. I'm a black flag
fan from '83 on, so that's how I got into it. Those fuckers were listening
to Lionel Ritchie back then.
Medieval Knievel
Alf455 wrote in message <19990804002802...@ng-fi1.aol.com>...
>but you hafta admit he was pretty funny in that movie with charlie
>sheen...who's name escapes me right now..
the Chase.
Yoda
Neuropean
be disappointed by him is exactly the fact that he remained
perfectly honest, but to himself, not to the concept of
Punk or to the audience's average expectations.
In the meantime he evolved. Maybe in a way that many
dislike, but certainly and always in a way that kept his
integrity solid. He recently took all his fans by surprise
disbanding his band to form a new one, going back to rough,
square and simple "in your face" music.
Please allow me to challenge some of your arguments to
which I don't agree:
"Rollins doesn't seem do anything that no one else hasn't
already done before and better."
Well then you'd only have a hundred artists around the
globe. Other may have had better sex than you, it doesn't
mean you should stop... OK, if you mean you don't see the
need for being a fan, then I agree, but there's never a
good reason to be a fan, even of a "pioneer".
"His music isn't very good, since leaving Black Flag,
but I must say that his work with Tool and on "...Burn" was
pretty good."
That's a matter of taste. Sorry. I prefer the later
releases compared to the early stuff.
"His acting is terrible. He does any talk show or advert at
the drop of a dime."
Please do your homework. He acts for the fun and sometimes
for the money which goes mostly into his publication
company which publishes some of the artists you mention
below: the underrated Nick Cave and Exene Cervenka
(http://www.two1361.com)
"Body builders and jocks go nuts
over him and I don't think that there is a frat boy around
who doesn't groove to his image."
I don't think most of the people with a brain give a flying
Quayle about that. He certainly doesn't work out to
preserve an image. If some follow Rollins because of his
physical appearance, fine, I couldn't care less.
"He doesn't even seem to like or respect his audience."
I've never seen or read Rollins spit on his audience as a
whole; he always, however, criticised that part of the
public that has lost all criticism and plunged into plain
childish fanatism or attitude (mental or aesthetic).
"He constantly jaded and really into this 'nobody has
suffered more than me and I'm a real mother fucker'
attitude."
Please show me when and where. I've seen a lot of "look at
that chickenshit, they don't know what it means", but he
always keeps a relatively good scale of comparison by
indicating the work of Bill shields, Alan Vega, Miles
Davis, John Coltrane, Lenny Bruce, Henry Miller - and so
many others - as an alternative to the chickenshit
mentioned above.
I agree with the rest you said, that as an artist he's far
from being an exception, as a person, however, he is (in
the music business, I mean) and deserves my *attention* and
respect.
Neuropean
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Laz
> I think that what has brought some to dislike Rollins or to
> be disappointed by him is exactly the fact that he remained
> perfectly honest, but to himself, not to the concept of
> Punk or to the audience's average expectations.
> In the meantime he evolved. Maybe in a way that many
> dislike, but certainly and always in a way that kept his
> integrity solid. He recently took all his fans by surprise
> disbanding his band to form a new one, going back to rough,
> square and simple "in your face" music.
The band was failing--by his standards. He wants the bucks. Not to mention he
just dumped a band, by surprise, that stuck with him--not nice dude. The videos
consists of Rollins close-ups, especially of his tattoos. The band were never
really a band to begin with. It's the Rollins Band--the dudes who make noise
while Rollins bitches over the mike because he can't sing. He wants his MTV.
> Please allow me to challenge some of your arguments to
> which I don't agree:
> "Rollins doesn't seem do anything that no one else hasn't
> already done before and better."
> Well then you'd only have a hundred artists around the
> globe. Other may have had better sex than you, it doesn't
> mean you should stop...
Please stop reading Rollins. This isn't a statement this is a quip. A
nonsensical one at that. Rollins fans don't seem to know that he is only riding
a rightwing/fencesitting/tv friendly version of what other artist have done
better and with conviction...and talent
> OK, if you mean you don't see the
> need for being a fan, then I agree, but there's never a
> good reason to be a fan, even of a "pioneer".
You could be a fan all you want. You evidently are. You're defending someone
you don't know. But you are basically, defending an image and not his talent
which is greatly lacking.
>
> "His acting is terrible. He does any talk show or advert at
> the drop of a dime."
> Please do your homework. He acts for the fun and sometimes
> for the money
Money yes, yes, everything for the money.
> which goes mostly into his publication
> company which publishes some of the artists you mention
> below: the underrated Nick Cave and Exene Cervenka
> (http://www.two1361.com)
They did more for legitimizing his career than he has done for them. Granted
they get cash, which they deserve, but Cave was also signed to a major
publisher with And the Ass Saw the Angel. Exene Cervenka was doing spoken word
(great stuff with Wanda Coleman and Lunch) and publishing a long-time before he
was. She was acting in films (so was Cave) before, and better ones than,
Rollins.
That's what bugs me. He acts like, and his fans think that, he discovered these
acts or something. Its not like he uses all this cash to help young developing
talent. Jello has gone out of his way to support new music acts and has
mentioned less well know writers. Rollins will only do something if it's major
(he won't be over shadowed) and if it boosts his career. As for money, and
doing things his the press--that got bought out by industry bigwigs ages ago.
It's one of those 90's faux alt presses. He did the Subpop thing. He's got
major backing.
> "Body builders and jocks go nuts
> over him and I don't think that there is a frat boy around
> who doesn't groove to his image."
> I don't think most of the people with a brain give a flying
> Quayle about that. He certainly doesn't work out to
> preserve an image. If some follow Rollins because of his
> physical appearance, fine, I couldn't care less.
You know he does. He works that big no neck jock with a pen image to the death.
Then he pretends to be burdened by it, as he goes to the bank. This is the man
who went from writing decent essays for a young Spin mag to submitting
bodybuilding tips to cheesey rags.
All his books are exactly the same:
You see me
You threaten me
You do not know
I sit and see you standing
I am ready to explode
You walk the streets at night
blah blah blah
> "He doesn't even seem to like or respect his audience."
> I've never seen or read Rollins spit on his audience as a
> whole; he always, however, criticised that part of the
> public that has lost all criticism and plunged into plain
> childish fanatism or attitude (mental or aesthetic).
By "spit" you mean that figuratively? Yes, I afraid he doesn't respect them. He
spends more time putting down people and other peoples efforts, to sound cool
and jaded, than he does supporting people. He is not the only dude who's had a
bad day. He has, however, made a big profit from it. His work is so angry
middle-class male-pre/post grung angst.
The guys living in LA, in America, during the 80's and 90's. He bitches about
losing a friend to violence and police brutality as if he's the only one. I'm
sorry about what happened, but you got to admit he's made profit off it. Bang,
indeed!
> "He constantly jaded and really into this 'nobody has
> suffered more than me and I'm a real mother fucker'
> attitude."
> Please show me when and where. I've seen a lot of "look at
> that chickenshit, they don't know what it means", but he
> always keeps a relatively good scale of comparison by
> indicating the work of Bill shields, Alan Vega, Miles
> Davis, John Coltrane, Lenny Bruce, Henry Miller - and so
> many others - as an alternative to the chickenshit
> mentioned above.
There you go, that's his problem, he bitches and then stands by a reputation
based on his name dropping and association. Rollins is a constructed character
of jock cool. The product od the 80's and college radio. G.I. Joe writes a
poem. Some frat twinky who tuned into the station one night, while sitting,
LONELY, in res and felt that media has connected with him. Fine but must they
write a poem or form a band, afterward?
He just appeals to the type who find out what seems like a tortured work or
artist. They get into them for all the wrong reasons. It also looks nice on
the cd rack or bookshelf when you bring the babes home. These are the jocks
that took over the HC scene because they got off on the seeming violent of slam
dancing and the angry yelling instead of the message. They missed the
point--what it was really getting at.
Jello sang about the idea of not really being a punk when you still think like
a jock. Rollins audience, strikes me as being, and what he encourages, through
his behaviour, the ones who would cheer X's "Johnny Hit and Run Pauline"
thinking that it's in favour of rape. That "White Minority" is a pro fascist
song.
Kilgore
It's called "Revealed at last! What killed the dinosaurs! And you don't
look so terrific yourself!," and it is another of his brilliant
diatribes against TeeVee. There's also "The Words in Spock's Mouth," in
Edgeworks One. Both essays are HE showing the mentality of those who
suckle at the glass teat and how frightening they are.
Do you ever post in Alt.fan.harlan-ellison?
--
""Repent, Harlequin," said the Ticktockman.
"Get Stuffed!"" --HE from the story of the same name.
Neuropean
Anyway, look, I couldn't care less about this discussion much less
about who likes who.
Good luck with your opinions.
N.
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Medieval Knievel
Kilgore wrote in message <7octjr$u2q$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>...
>Have you ever read the introduction to HE's collection "Strange Wine?"
>It's called "Revealed at last! What killed the dinosaurs! And you don't
>look so terrific yourself!," and it is another of his brilliant
>diatribes against TeeVee. There's also "The Words in Spock's Mouth," in
>Edgeworks One. Both essays are HE showing the mentality of those who
>suckle at the glass teat and how frightening they are.
>Do you ever post in Alt.fan.harlan-ellison?
I used to read it daily and occasionally post. A few months back the group
turned into a bizarre flame war and I unsubscribed to it. Do you know if
it's back to "normal?"
Kilgore
>
> I used to read it daily and occasionally post. A few months back the
group
> turned into a bizarre flame war and I unsubscribed to it. Do you know
if
> it's back to "normal?"
Looks like it to me. I unsubscribed some months back for the same
reason, but looking at it now, it seems that some reasonably intelligent
discussion is going on. However, you know how some jerkoffs are on ngs,
no social skills whatsoever. Just have to wait and see.
Kilgore
Thed W. Die
whatsoever. Just have to wait and see."
Rich, I'm lookin' at you!
The "W" is for "Will",
David S. Myrmidon
"You don't have to like the laws as long as you abide"
-Bad Religion
(_8^(|)
Jerry Vaughan
> whatsoever. Just have to wait and see."
>
> Rich, I'm lookin' at you!
:O(
Rich
Sara Stewart
> piece on the "our Little Miss" pageant that looks like Jon Benets parents
> should have read.
Yeah, I couldn't agree more. You know, the real "pageant whores" are the
parents (particularly the mothers).
But if you're into Biafra, you'd probably like Harlan. It might take you
awhile to figure out which Biafra songs go well with which Ellison pieces,
though. I recommend "Kill the Poor" and "When Ya Get Drafted" for with
"Soldier," one of my favourites.
Thed
JaWar39613
similarity to alot of DK songs. One of my favorite stories by the way. It
kind of reminds me of "Halloween".
-Jay
"The only good Kennedy is a Dead Kennedy."
Sara Stewart
Clock." Then I'm going to go to sleep with the lights on.
Thed
nearly a quarter century old, and yes, still afraid of the dark
Kilgore
Falwell and Tipper Gore on the other. Deathmatch!
I think a lot of Harlan's and Jello's works compliment each other, but
I've never thought of using DK or Lard as a soundtrack to HE. Good idea.
As you can tell by my sig, "Repent, Harlequin..." is one of my favorite
of HE's stories. If you've ever read any of Harlan's more
autobiographical stories or his essays, they're very similar, in tone if
not subject, to many of Jello's songs like "Terminal Preppie," and
especially "Moral Majority." Oh yeah.
It's good to see that this is what the intelligent people in the world
read and listen to.
Sara Stewart
> Now, there's a PI I'd like to see: Harlan and Jello on one side, Jerry
> Falwell and Tipper Gore on the other. Deathmatch!
AAAHHHH! Ever heard about that thought experiment with the "immovable
objects" and the "irresistable forces"?
> I've never thought of using DK or Lard as a soundtrack to HE. Good idea.
Thank you. I only noticed it 'cause the CD player is *always* on, and I seem
to read Ellison or King more often than not. (On my bookshelf, that's
numerically, statistically in line...) Completely off-topic, Rob Zombie's
"Perversion 99" is an excellent soundtrack for _The Shining_, because it's
so quiet, eerie and subtle.
> If you've ever read any of Harlan's more
> autobiographical stories or his essays, they're very similar, in tone if
> not subject, to many of Jello's songs like "Terminal Preppie," and
> especially "Moral Majority." Oh yeah.
Yeah, you can read any of the _Future Life_ columns with "Bedtime for
Democracy" or "Fresh Fruit for Rotting Vegetables," that's fine.
> It's good to see that this is what the intelligent people in the world
> read and listen to.
How do you know I'm intelligent? There's several people on this NG who
think I'm a stupid, conceited, flame-throwing bitch. Or something like
that.
Anyway, thanks for the compliment. ;)
Thed
who once spoke on the phone with Harlan, and didn't touch ground again for
three days
Medieval Knievel
Sara Stewart wrote in message
>How do you know I'm intelligent? There's several people on this NG who
>think I'm a stupid, conceited, flame-throwing bitch
I happen to think you're a intelligent, humble, flame-throwing bitch. ;>)
Thed W. Die
think I'm a stupid, conceited, flame-throwing bitch. Or something like that."
Ahem. . .
Kilgore
>
> How do you know I'm intelligent? There's several people on this NG
who
> think I'm a stupid, conceited, flame-throwing bitch. Or something
like
> that.
>
> Anyway, thanks for the compliment. ;)
>
> Thed
> who once spoke on the phone with Harlan, and didn't touch ground again
for
> three days
Sara, I contend that you are intelligent because of your choices in
music and reading material and if your something like a flame-throwing
conceited bitch, at least you are on the side of truth and justice, or
something.
And not to one up you, but last Labor Day at DragonCon in Atlanta, I had
lunch with The Man at a swell little rib joint called Fat Matt's. I got
to hear him discourse on B5, censorship, writing, Civil Rights, etc. to
a couple of reporters who had likewise been invited to dine with The
Man. I've got pictures. So does his website at HarlanEllison.com,
at least they did a few months ago.
So It Goes,
Sara Stewart
It's nice to see someone finally got the skinny. ;)
Sara Stewart
> lunch with The Man at a swell little rib joint called Fat Matt's. I got
> to hear him discourse on B5, censorship, writing, Civil Rights, etc.
> Hey, I don't consider it one-upmanship. That's a way cool story.
> Harlan's a bit hard to get a word in edgewise to--even if he asks you a
> question. With me he mostly talked about intellectual blackmail, not
> keeping secrets, a whole bunch of things. He called me "kiddo," but I
> hear he does that to everyone. I mostly sat there with my jaw in my lap
> and tried not to make bibble-bibble noises.
Me
chris...@aol.com
> Does anyone know where I can get a transcript or copy of the episode Jello was
> on of "Politically Incorrect with Bill Maher"? Has anyone ever seen this
> episode? Any other info... ?
>
> itsno...@aol.com
Try CatholicBoy.com
Jim Carroll on Politically Incorrect. Transcript is printed here
:)