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Andoni

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Oct 16, 2003, 7:05:03 AM10/16/03
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Hi all,

I was trying to find out more about Michael Gothard's work (he of course
played Loque in FYEO). I was stunned to read that he'd committed suicide.
Does anyone know any more about this? I haven't watched any other work that
he has done (except the part he played in a Professionals episode) and i was
looking to watch any other films and programmes he's starred in.

Andoni


Mac

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Oct 16, 2003, 8:53:09 AM10/16/03
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Andoni and...@hotmail.com writes:

Gothard had an extensive career in films and television, credits
include Ken Russell's THE DEVILS. He and one-time Bond contender
Oliver Tobias became sex symbols in the 1970's in the series
ARTHUR OF THE BRITONS (a cousin of mine had a huge crush on
him). Gothard gets a positive mention in a recent Video Watchdog
piece on director Gordon Hessler detailing his appearance in
SCREAM AND SCREAM AGAIN (which is on a nice double-bill DVD).
--
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~~Mac

"...Bond's eyes narrowed. He knew, at some point,
he would have to slay this particular dragon. He
settled back in his chair, removing a Morlands'
three ring special from the gunmetal cigarette case.
As he waited for the delicious Balkan/Turkish blend
to take effect on his lungs, he reflected that he
should have nailed her, rather than offering ice cream..."

Andoni

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Oct 16, 2003, 12:49:36 PM10/16/03
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"Mac" <see...@SPAMLESSvirgin.net> wrote in message
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> Gothard had an extensive career in films and television, credits
> include Ken Russell's THE DEVILS. He and one-time Bond contender
> Oliver Tobias became sex symbols in the 1970's in the series
> ARTHUR OF THE BRITONS (a cousin of mine had a huge crush on
> him). Gothard gets a positive mention in a recent Video Watchdog
> piece on director Gordon Hessler detailing his appearance in
> SCREAM AND SCREAM AGAIN (which is on a nice double-bill DVD).
> --

thanks mac - i was more interested in why he committed suicide (apparently
hanged himself). i'm not a morbid bloke but for someone who was in one of my
favourite bond films, i was just interested.

thanks anyway

A


Mac

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Oct 16, 2003, 2:17:42 PM10/16/03
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Andoni and...@hotmail.com writes:

> thanks mac - i was more interested in why he committed suicide
> (apparently hanged himself). i'm not a morbid bloke but for someone
> who was in one of my favourite bond films, i was just interested.

His FOR YOUR EYES ONLY co-star Jill Bennett also committed suicide.

--
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~~Mac

"...Bond's eyes narrowed. He knew, at some point,
he would have to slay this particular dragon. He
settled back in his chair, removing a Morlands'
three ring special from the gunmetal cigarette case.
As he waited for the delicious Balkan/Turkish blend
to take effect on his lungs, he reflected that

Anal Antics 5 was a better directed effort than 4..."

Rhino

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Oct 16, 2003, 2:39:01 PM10/16/03
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On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 13:53:09 +0100, "Mac" <see...@SPAMLESSvirgin.net>
wrote:

>
>
> Andoni and...@hotmail.com writes:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I was trying to find out more about Michael Gothard's work (he of
>> course played Loque in FYEO). I was stunned to read that he'd
>> committed suicide. Does anyone know any more about this? I haven't
>> watched any other work that he has done (except the part he played in
>> a Professionals episode) and i was looking to watch any other films
>> and programmes he's starred in.
>
>Gothard had an extensive career in films and television, credits
>include Ken Russell's THE DEVILS. He and one-time Bond contender
>Oliver Tobias became sex symbols in the 1970's in the series
>ARTHUR OF THE BRITONS (a cousin of mine had a huge crush on
>him). Gothard gets a positive mention in a recent Video Watchdog
>piece on director Gordon Hessler detailing his appearance in
>SCREAM AND SCREAM AGAIN (which is on a nice double-bill DVD).
>--

Also check out superb performances as Felton in The Three Musketeers
(1973) and The Four Musketeers (1974), also as Lusk in Jack The Ripper
(the 1988 Michael Caine TV version)

As for why he committed suicide, who knows why anyone does that?
Speaking as one who lost a brother through suicide, all I can say is
that if the person doesn't leave a note, it will always be a mystery

--
The licence to kill for the Secret Service, the double-0 prefix,
was a great honour. It had been earned hardly. It brought James Bond
the only assignments he enjoyed - the dangerous ones.

dan_gale

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Oct 16, 2003, 8:14:17 PM10/16/03
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Also in The Devils and a large role, hynotized by the naked Matilda May
(cough, hurgh! hoowee) in Lifeforce. Lucky, lucky man.
--
Dan
Gale

"Ha ha hah ah ahaha haha ha ha, you must be crazy!"
Kamran Shah, The Living Daylights

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hnk...@tiscali.co.uk

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Oct 18, 2003, 4:14:01 AM10/18/03
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Well, he is in the best film of all time as an exorcist Father Barre: Ken
Russell's 'The Devils' - FANTASTIC!
I didn't know he had committed suicide - how sad!

Barry


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Membranous Gauss

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Oct 21, 2003, 6:45:39 AM10/21/03
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> Well, he is in the best film of all time as an exorcist Father Barre: Ken
> Russell's 'The Devils' - FANTASTIC!
> I didn't know he had committed suicide - how sad!

I believe Pedro Armendariz also committed suicide... very sad too.


Tom Zielinski

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Oct 21, 2003, 7:29:17 AM10/21/03
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He did, though he was terminally ill. That may have had something to do
with his taking his life.

Tom Zielinski
"Tell it to the concierge."

LuckyAtLoveAgain

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Oct 21, 2003, 8:57:40 AM10/21/03
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>ill. That may have had something to do
>with his taking his life.

i read somewhere that he and hemingway were friends, and that he admired the
fact that hemingway had taken his own life rather than let cancer take him.

Dr. Shatterhand

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Oct 21, 2003, 9:38:55 AM10/21/03
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"Membranous Gauss" <join...@thepub.co.za> wrote in message news:<bn33k0$fhr$2...@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net>...
> I believe Pedro Armendariz also committed suicide... very sad too.

Pedro was in great pain due to cancer. He was exposed to radiation in
the soil while filming desert scenes in the film THE CONQUERER (aslo
starred John Wayne, Susan Hayworth, Agnes Morehead among others who
also died of cancer.) The area was previously the testing area for
the atomic bombs.

Pedro had approximately a few weeks left of his life. He had a gun
smuggled into the hospital and ended his agony.

Dr. Shatterhand

Membranous Gauss

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Oct 21, 2003, 10:42:36 AM10/21/03
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Seems like a stupid place to film a movie. Save a couple of bucks by filming
on a location no one else wants?? This must have been back in the days when
they said atom bombs left very little radioactive material and they did
field manouevres with live tactical nukes going off in the distance. The
official army line was something like 'if you're close enough for the
radiation to kill you, the atomic shock wave will do it first'. Consequently
many US soldiers ended up having cancer from exposure to radiation.

Was it ever proven that these actors developed cancer due to their
involvement in this particular film?

Gauss.

hnk...@tiscali.co.uk

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Oct 22, 2003, 4:28:37 AM10/22/03
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Didn't he die of cancer?

Barry


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hnk...@tiscali.co.uk

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Oct 22, 2003, 4:29:21 AM10/22/03
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That's really upsetting

Barry


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hnk...@tiscali.co.uk

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Oct 22, 2003, 4:31:16 AM10/22/03
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I think it was - I used to tell the stories of this on my tours throughout
California in 1981/2 - well, I suppose the powers that be can get out of nit
just like the tobacco billionaires - bastards!

Barry

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G Bell

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Oct 22, 2003, 10:20:55 AM10/22/03
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"Membranous Gauss" <join...@thepub.co.za> writes:

>Seems like a stupid place to film a movie. Save a couple of bucks by filming
>on a location no one else wants?? This must have been back in the days when
>they said atom bombs left very little radioactive material and they did
>field manouevres with live tactical nukes going off in the distance. The
>official army line was something like 'if you're close enough for the
>radiation to kill you, the atomic shock wave will do it first'. Consequently
>many US soldiers ended up having cancer from exposure to radiation.

>Was it ever proven that these actors developed cancer due to their
>involvement in this particular film?

Even the director Dick Powell dies of cancer; of course you could say
they died because of smoking related cancer but I think it's pretty much
accepted that it was exposure to radiation that was the cause. The
fallout from Chernobyl reached the northern and western edges of Europe
sparking fear that the Laps would have to cull their Reindeer herds and
that Scottish and Welsh hill farmers would lose thier sheep flocks.

At the time the dangers of airborne particle spread probably wasn't as
well documented as it is today.

Graham

Dan Hartung

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Oct 26, 2003, 10:36:39 PM10/26/03
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Membranous Gauss wrote:
> Dr. Shatterhand <drshat...@shatterhand007.com> wrote in message
>>Pedro was in great pain due to cancer. He was exposed to radiation in
>>the soil while filming desert scenes in the film THE CONQUERER (aslo
>>starred John Wayne, Susan Hayworth, Agnes Morehead among others who
>>also died of cancer.) The area was previously the testing area for
>>the atomic bombs.
>
> Seems like a stupid place to film a movie. Save a couple of bucks by filming
> on a location no one else wants??

The test in question took place May 19, 1953. Filming took place that
summer, with assurances that there was no danger.

> This must have been back in the days when
> they said atom bombs left very little radioactive material and they did
> field manouevres with live tactical nukes going off in the distance. The
> official army line was something like 'if you're close enough for the
> radiation to kill you, the atomic shock wave will do it first'. Consequently
> many US soldiers ended up having cancer from exposure to radiation.

http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0526-05.htm

A liberal site's strong view.

> Was it ever proven that these actors developed cancer due to their
> involvement in this particular film?

Proven, in terms of cancer, is a pretty high bar. There was a cluster of
brain cancer cases in a Chicago chemical laboratory (later owned by
Amoco, now BP) was controversial for years, and that was with tissue
samples, precise measurements of various toxins in the vicinity of work
areas, and tedious examination fo historical records of chemical work done.

There does seem to be an abnormally high number of cancer deaths in the
film's cast, something like 300% normal (then again, I don't think
anybody's really counted them in 20 years -- it's probably higher than
that).

Sabine

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Nov 21, 2003, 6:54:01 AM11/21/03
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I've read your message about Michael Gothard. What do you know about his suicide
?? I admired him very much and was stunned to learn about his death only
recently.
Thank you very much for your reply
Sabine
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Jul 8, 2012, 6:50:51 PM7/8/12
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Hi Andoni
Michael was a lifelong sufferer with depression, but it is possible that the reason he actually went so far as to kill him self later in life than many was to do with fluoxetine. He was on and off it at the time, so I'm told, and there is now a warning on this mediaction that it can induce suicidal thoughts. I don't think this was commonly known at the time. He was also disappointed with he way his career had gone, but I suspect he would have coped with that if not for the meds.
His character was actually hanged in the film "Michael Kohlhaas" early in his career, and in the first film he made, Herostratus, his character had a hanging doll in his flat. Quite disturbing when you know what happened, and you wonder whether these things got into his psyche.

There is a group for him on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/238738604323/

Best regards
trepkos
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