Sela Ward's Bond Experience
Lance Hirsch
asked for more information. Here is something I found simply doing a web
search. This story was posted here also. Additionally, Michael Kersey
co-authored an article about the subject at the 007 fandom site.
From http://members.xoom.com/_XMCM/fistful/intro-nov99.htm
Dr. No, You're Too Old
Now this is interesting: Sela Ward, the 43-year-old star of the primetime
soap Sisters and now the surprise hit Once and Again, once auditioned for
the part of a Bond babe in one of the Pierce Brosnan Bond films, but was
turned down by the producers because they thought she was too old. Say what?
I bet those guys are now kicking themselves in the ass after seeing
Brosnan's Thomas Crown Affair, with its steamy pairing of the 47-year-old
Brosnan and Rene Russo, who's as old as Brosnan. The experience with the
Bond producers frustrated Ward so much that it inspired her to make a cable
documentary about ageism.
In interviews, Ward never identifies the character or the Bond film, but I
wouldn't be surprised if the part she was referring to was Paris Carver in
Tomorrow Never Dies. (The role went to a then-pregnant Teri Hatcher, who
didn't get along with director Roger Spottiswoode, so she ended up with very
little screen time. And the few scenes she had stunk.) Remember how Paris
was intended to be an important character in the Bond mythos - the only
woman 007 truly loved, besides his deceased wife Tracy Bond (Diana Rigg) in
On Her Majesty's Secret Service? With her age, Ward (an Emmy winner for
Sisters) would have made a more believable Paris than Hatcher, who, as
Salon's Charles Taylor once said in my favorite description of her
disappointing performance, "projects all the sophisticated sexual allure of
June Cleaver."
Lance
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"...Bond reflected that good Americans were fine people and that most
of them seemed to come from Texas."
Casino Royale. Chapter VII
The Shadow
"Lance Hirsch" <lhi...@attglobal.net> wrote :
<snip>
Thanks for posting that article Lance, Sela STILL has a chance to be in a
Bond film. Shall we knock down the walls of EON and make them listen?
--
"An exit line. He must get out of these two young lives and take his cold
heart elsewhere. There must be no regrets. No false sentiment. He must play
the role which she expected of him. The tough man of the world. The secret
agent. The man who is only a silhouette."
Moonraker - Ian Fleming
http://www.alt-fan-james-bond.co.uk/
Richard Ashton
Anyone know how many people visit this newsgroup? 50? 100? Although we
may have a small number, it might be interesting to see if any effect
can be made.
Who's up for a VOTE FOR SELA campaign?
Richard
The Shadow
"Richard Ashton" <ash...@home.com> wrote :
>How about a write-in campaign?
>
>Anyone know how many people visit this newsgroup? 50? 100? Although we
>may have a small number, it might be interesting to see if any effect
>can be made.
>
>Who's up for a VOTE FOR SELA campaign?
>
>Richard
Sounds good to me! Shall we do it by e mail or snail mail?
I did have the address at one time but I can not find it right now. Can
somebody post that information?
Richard Ashton
easily dismissed.
Richard
The Shadow
"Richard Ashton" <ash...@home.com> wrote :
>Let's do a snail mail. Physical mass speaks volumes. Emails can be
>easily dismissed.
Easy to hit the delete button. <g>
What is the address?
--
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on the butt of a Police Positive with the sawn barrel. Then he slept, and
with the warmth and humour of his eyes extinguished his features relapsed
into a taciturn mask, ironical, brutal, and cold."
Casino Royale - Ian Fleming
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Peter Harrison
> Shall we knock down the walls of EON and make them listen?
You would have to get past the Pitbull first :-)
jeremy kareken
> I mentioned that Sela Ward tried out for the Paris Carver role. Paul Baack
> asked for more information. Here is something I found simply doing a web
> search. This story was posted here also. Additionally, Michael Kersey
> co-authored an article about the subject at the 007 fandom site.
She would have been soooooooo much better
She would have been perfect.
John Doherty
>Sounds good to me! Shall we do it by e mail or snail mail?
>
Snail mail? I 'spose if they don't read it, they can do lunch...
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Tom Zielinski
Tom Zielinski
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Richard Ashton wrote in message <399C2ADE...@home.com>...
>How about a write-in campaign?
>
>Anyone know how many people visit this newsgroup? 50? 100? Although we
>may have a small number, it might be interesting to see if any effect
>can be made.
>
>Who's up for a VOTE FOR SELA campaign?
>
>Richard
>
>The Shadow wrote:
KLAUSINK
While I would personally agree with everything that has been posted in this
thread (as well as previous, similar threads regarding Ms.Ward), there are two
things to consider:
1. Ward was rejected because--at least in EON's eyes--she fails to meet
the necessary demographic requirements. Let's face it, the audiences for her
ABC series, "The Thomas Crown Affair," "The View" (where she aired many of
these revelations), etc. is simply not the same audience prepared to part with
several million hard-earned $ to see a Bond flick. Actresses (and I use the
term loosely here) like Denise Richards--for whom I had little regard going
into TWINE and only marginally more after--are the ones putting "bums in
theatre seats" (as was so eloquently written on this NG not so long ago). Sela
Ward is a terrific actress and a sophisticated, "older" woman; neither of which
are particularly appealing to today's AVERAGE 18-24 y.o. white male ticket
holder.
2. If she had NOT been turned-down by EON, I wonder if we'd be discussing
her now. Ms.Ward has spoken very publicly that it was EON's rejection of her
that sparked her to action: auditioning for other, jucier parts, writing
articles from the perspective of the "mature" actress .. in short, making a
name for herself when her agent couldn't or wouldn't. How we view Sela Ward
today is due in large part to losing that role. If she had been cast as Paris
(though I thought she had tried for Christmas), she might easily have become
just another footnote in the 007 canon; yet another no-name actress playing yet
throw-away Bond girl.
The Poor Man's James Bond
[NO ... not Kurt Saxon; Alan Stephenson]
"Miss Case is very attractive ... for a woman."
Richard Ashton
KLAUSINK wrote:
> there are two
> things to consider:
>
> 1. Ward was rejected because--at least in EON's eyes--she fails to meet
> the necessary demographic requirements.
Agreed. But then by contrast, they cast the hopelessly lost Terri
Hatcher to almost universal derission. Did anyone buy a romance between
her and Bond. The whole thing was ghastly.
> Let's face it, the audiences for her
> ABC series, "The Thomas Crown Affair,"
TTCA is where you run aground. MGM landed soooooooooo much publicity off
the Rene Russo 'old woman' angle (much to their surprise). And I'd wager
that Russo was as much a draw as Brosnan.
More importantly, from a movie point of view - the relationship worked.
(Could be that Russo is just a better actress than Richards - but I
wouldn't go banco on that!).
> Sela
> Ward is a terrific actress and a sophisticated, "older" woman; neither of which
> are particularly appealing to today's AVERAGE 18-24 y.o. white male ticket
> holder.
Don't know. You've seen the cat suit Sprint commercials, right?
Further, MGM better wake up and realize that there is a huge, dormant,
older demographic they could play to. Aiming younger is perhaps whats
bothering me about Bond (as I happen to be getting older). But maybe
Bond should be what he always was. Unique. No need to slavishly follow
trends here.
> 2. If she had NOT been turned-down by EON, I wonder if we'd be discussing
> her now.
Yes. It's those damn Sprint commercials. I'm no big fan of hers (never
watched 'Sisters' and caught only a few self pitying episodes of her
current show).
Or maybe it's just the cat suit. Or maybe it's that mink...(I'll go shut
the window, then).
> Ms.Ward has spoken very publicly that it was EON's rejection of her
> that sparked her to action: auditioning for other, jucier parts, writing
> articles from the perspective of the "mature" actress .. in short, making a
> name for herself when her agent couldn't or wouldn't.
Hmmmm. You don't think her agent had anything to say about her doing
publicity?
> How we view Sela Ward
> today is due in large part to losing that role.
Again, not me. Did I mention I own a Sprint phone?
> If she had been cast as Paris
> (though I thought she had tried for Christmas), she might easily have become
> just another footnote in the 007 canon; yet another no-name actress playing yet
> throw-away Bond girl.
But that's the whole point, isn't it. Had they cast the role better,
then it may not be discussed as a footnote, but a remarkable piece of
character building within the Bond franchise.
I would further add that Sela Ward could have been Sylvia Trench (she
looks a lot like her) just to add that depth for the old timers who
remember such things.
Richard
Mac
| > Sela Ward is a terrific actress and a sophisticated, "older" woman;
| > neither of which are particularly appealing to today's AVERAGE
| > 18-24 y.o. white male ticket holder.
|
| Don't know. You've seen the cat suit Sprint commercials, right?
No. And this might well be the reason Hatcher was cast ahead of Monica
Belucci and Sela Ward. Hatcher's Superman show is screened all over
the world. She has appeared in countless international magazines. Sela
Ward is only a name in America.
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Richard Ashton
>
> |
> | Don't know. You've seen the cat suit Sprint commercials, right?
>
> No. And this might well be the reason Hatcher was cast ahead of Monica
> Belucci and Sela Ward. Hatcher's Superman show is screened all over
> the world. She has appeared in countless international magazines. Sela
> Ward is only a name in America.
Since when does a Bond film need a 'name' Bond girl to help the
box-office?
Yes, I buy that Hatcher was 'Miss Internet' during her Superman years.
But beyond that...?
One of the weaknesses of the Brosnan films has been the secondary
casting. Remember just how perfect the likes of Lotte Lenya and Ilse
Steppat were? They just oozed Fleming's characters. It just seems that
they've lost their way a little - at least in the 'girl' department.
Let me modify that. Dead-on perfect for GE. Missed by a mile on TND and
TWINE.
Richard
Mac
| Mac wrote:
| >
| > |
| > | Don't know. You've seen the cat suit Sprint commercials, right?
| >
| > No. And this might well be the reason Hatcher was cast ahead of Monica
| > Belucci and Sela Ward. Hatcher's Superman show is screened all over
| > the world. She has appeared in countless international magazines. Sela
| > Ward is only a name in America.
|
| Since when does a Bond film need a 'name' Bond girl to help the
| box-office?
|
| Yes, I buy that Hatcher was 'Miss Internet' during her Superman years.
| But beyond that...?
Hey, I agree. I even hate the idea of rent-a-villains like Rickman, Oldman
et al appearing in Bond pictures because I don't believe they affect the
box-office, so you're preaching to the converted. However, I think
Hatcher's Miss Internet image was taken into consideration when she
was cast. She had a higher profile. Hadn't she also won the "World's
Sexiest Woman" title at that point as well?
| One of the weaknesses of the Brosnan films has been the secondary
| casting. Remember just how perfect the likes of Lotte Lenya and Ilse
| Steppat were? They just oozed Fleming's characters. It just seems that
| they've lost their way a little - at least in the 'girl' department.
Yes, but Lenya and Steppart were not the girls. The early Bond films also
cast models as the "girl" as well as the Blackmans and Riggs of this world.
EON and/or MGM just seem reluctant to cast fresh new faces.
| Let me modify that. Dead-on perfect for GE. Missed by a mile on TND and
| TWINE.
In Richards? Yes. In Marceau? I'd disagree.
Lance Hirsch
news:20000818025921...@ng-fl1.aol.com...
> Ward is a terrific actress and a sophisticated, "older" woman; neither of
which
> are particularly appealing to today's AVERAGE 18-24 y.o. white male ticket
> holder.
As a red blooded male who was once 18-24, I have to disagree with that
statement. She looks great and my loins do not discriminate based on age!
When I was younger, I had no problem looking at a 40-45 year old woman and I
honestly think most men of any age feel the same way.
The Shadow
"Lance Hirsch" <lhi...@attglobal.net> wrote :
>As a red blooded male who was once 18-24, I have to disagree with that
>statement. She looks great and my loins do not discriminate based on age!
>When I was younger, I had no problem looking at a 40-45 year old woman and
I
>honestly think most men of any age feel the same way.
Yeah, what he said.
<thumbs up>
--
"James Bond sat back and lit one of his last Morland Specials. By lunchtime
it would be king-size Chesterfields. The Astor. It was as good as another
and Bond liked the Times Square jungle-the hideous souvenir shops, the sharp
clothiers, the giant feedomats, the hypnotic neon signs, one of which said
BOND in letters a mile high."
Thrilling Cities - Ian Fleming
Gil Pinsberg
> Don't know. You've seen the cat suit Sprint commercials, right?
Yeah, but that's obviously a stunt double for her. They use Sela
for the close-up face shots, and some young stunt double for all
the shots of the body or acrobatic stuff.
GIL
Richard Ashton
Well, that's her body underneath her head. She's crouching on top of the
kitty litter stack.
As for the acrobatics - I didn't know they used stunt doubles for
dangerous stuff. You're not implying that Pierce Brosnan wasn't really
in all the action sequences are you?
Richard
JD Wiseman (John Moore)
> 2. If she had NOT been turned-down by EON, I wonder if we'd be discussing
> her now.
Oh, most definitely.
> Ms.Ward has spoken very publicly that it was EON's rejection of her
> that sparked her to action: auditioning for other, jucier parts, writing
> articles from the perspective of the "mature" actress .. in short, making a
> name for herself when her agent couldn't or wouldn't. How we view Sela Ward
> today is due in large part to losing that role.
Well, that makes sense. But I have always thought she would be great, and I'm
nearly 31.
John
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Greetings,
Though I do not dispute your assertion, wasn't Maud Adams up in years
when she took the role of Octopussy? Certainly, I don't think she was
a major heart throb for "white males between 18 and 24". Nonetheless,
she was given one of the few large female roles in the Bond series.
In my humble opinion, Sela Ward would be a fine addition to a 007 film
and had I the capabilty to press the point with EON, I surely would.
Thanks for reading.
George Sean Browne
On 18 Aug 2000 06:59:21 GMT, klau...@aol.comremove (KLAUSINK) wrote:
><< How about a [Sela Ward] write-in campaign? >>
>
>While I would personally agree with everything that has been posted in this
>thread (as well as previous, similar threads regarding Ms.Ward), there are two
>things to consider:
>
>1. Ward was rejected because--at least in EON's eyes--she fails to meet
>the necessary demographic requirements. Let's face it, the audiences for her
>ABC series, "The Thomas Crown Affair," "The View" (where she aired many of
>these revelations), etc. is simply not the same audience prepared to part with
>several million hard-earned $ to see a Bond flick. Actresses (and I use the
>term loosely here) like Denise Richards--for whom I had little regard going
>into TWINE and only marginally more after--are the ones putting "bums in
>theatre seats" (as was so eloquently written on this NG not so long ago). Sela
>Ward is a terrific actress and a sophisticated, "older" woman; neither of which
>are particularly appealing to today's AVERAGE 18-24 y.o. white male ticket
>holder.
>
>2. If she had NOT been turned-down by EON, I wonder if we'd be discussing
>her now. Ms.Ward has spoken very publicly that it was EON's rejection of her
>that sparked her to action: auditioning for other, jucier parts, writing
>articles from the perspective of the "mature" actress .. in short, making a
>name for herself when her agent couldn't or wouldn't. How we view Sela Ward
>today is due in large part to losing that role. If she had been cast as Paris
>(though I thought she had tried for Christmas), she might easily have become
>just another footnote in the 007 canon; yet another no-name actress playing yet
>throw-away Bond girl.
>
The Shadow
"KLAUSINK" wrote :
>But might the box office on Octopussy be one of the inspirations for hiring
the
>much younger blonde bomb(shell), Tania Roberts, for the next film? EON
wanted
>to up the ante on audience demographics?
Don't you think it is about time that a good actress was hired instead of
who is the flavor of the month? Sela is a very attractive women who can
act. Now I have no problem with Denise Richards, Wild Things is one of my
favorites, but the role should have gone to an older woman.
--
"Bond stood against a tree, black in the blackness. He felt he should
intervene in what he knew to be the man's purpose. But how to do so knowing
no Japanese, having nothing but his 'deaf and dumb' card to show ? And it
was vital that that he should remain a 'ghost' in the garden, not get
involved in some daft argument with a man that he did not know, about some
ancient sin he could never understand. So Bond stood, while the trees threw
long black arms across the scene, and waited, with a cold, closed, stone
face, for death to walk on stage."
You Only Live Twice - Ian Fleming
Tom Zielinski
>
>>As a red blooded male who was once 18-24, I have to disagree with that
>>statement. She looks great and my loins do not discriminate based on age!
>>When I was younger, I had no problem looking at a 40-45 year old woman and
>>I honestly think most men of any age feel the same way.
>
>
>
>Yeah, what he said.
>
><thumbs up>
Dittoed <thumbs up>.
Richard Ashton
>
>
> Dittoed <thumbs up>.
You're sure that's your thumb, Tom?
Richard
Tom Zielinski
Richard Ashton wrote in message <399DCFB4...@home.com>...
>Tom Zielinski wrote:
>>
>>
>> Dittoed <thumbs up>.
>
>You're sure that's your thumb, Tom?
<Looks down>
Whoops!!
Raibu Robo
mind until I read she was supposed to be in TND. I think she would have been a
greater Paris than Teri Hatcher --- but anyone could have been better than
Hatcher.
For Brosnan, Sela might be a good match, yes. Post Brosnan is another
question (if EON _does_ go for a younger Bond). But if Sela Ward's in a Bond
that means that Bond film will end up on the Lifetime Network...and that can't
happen.
KLAUSINK
she took the role of Octopussy? Certainly, I don't think she was a major heart
throb for "white males between 18 and 24". Nonetheless, she was given one of
the few large female roles in the Bond series. >>
But might the box office on Octopussy be one of the inspirations for hiring the
much younger blonde bomb(shell), Tania Roberts, for the next film? EON wanted
to up the ante on audience demographics?
The Poor Man's James Bond
Barry King
klau...@aol.comremove (KLAUSINK) wrote:
> But might the box office on Octopussy be one of the inspirations for
hiring the
> much younger blonde bomb(shell), Tania Roberts, for the next film?
EON wanted
> to up the ante on audience demographics?
>
Well, that theory certainly worked well. Wasn't AVTAK's boxoffice
considerably lower than OP's?
--
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| << Though I do not dispute your assertion, wasn't Maud Adams up in years
| when she took the role of Octopussy? Certainly, I don't think she was a
| major heart throb for "white males between 18 and 24". Nonetheless, she
| was given one of the few large female roles in the Bond series. >>
|
| But might the box office on Octopussy be one of the inspirations for
| hiring the much younger blonde bomb(shell), Tania Roberts, for the
| next film? EON wanted to up the ante on audience demographics?
I really don't know if they thought that way. The role of Octopussy was
similar to that of Pussy Galore (I believe Blackman was older than
Connery), it needed to played by a more mature woman to accept the
idea that she was surrogate mother to these waifs and strays. I think it
was appropriate casting. The box-office for OP wasn't significantly down on
FYEO's world-wide numbers (it actually outperformed FYEO in the US) for
them to be concerned about it from a demographic standpoint. The role
of Stacey Sutton could be played by a younger woman so they cast one. It
backfired really because it didn't reflect very well on a clearly ageing
Roger Moore.
davidw...@my-deja.com
"Lance Hirsch" <lhi...@attglobal.net> wrote:
> I mentioned that Sela Ward tried out for the Paris Carver role. Paul
Baack
> asked for more information. Here is something I found simply doing a
web
> search. This story was posted here also. Additionally, Michael
Kersey
> co-authored an article about the subject at the 007 fandom site.
>
> Dr. No, You're Too Old
> Now this is interesting: Sela Ward, the 43-year-old star of the
primetime
> soap Sisters and now the surprise hit Once and Again, once auditioned
for
> the part of a Bond babe in one of the Pierce Brosnan Bond films, but
was
> turned down by the producers because they thought she was too old.
Say what?
> I bet those guys are now kicking themselves in the ass after seeing
> Brosnan's Thomas Crown Affair, with its steamy pairing of the 47-year-
old
> Brosnan and Rene Russo, who's as old as Brosnan. The experience with
the
> Bond producers frustrated Ward so much that it inspired her to make a
cable
> documentary about ageism.
> In interviews, Ward never identifies the character or the Bond film,
but I
> wouldn't be surprised if the part she was referring to was Paris
Carver in
> Tomorrow Never Dies. (The role went to a then-pregnant Teri Hatcher,
who
> didn't get along with director Roger Spottiswoode, so she ended up
with very
> little screen time. And the few scenes she had stunk.) Remember how
Paris
> was intended to be an important character in the Bond mythos - the
only
> woman 007 truly loved, besides his deceased wife Tracy Bond (Diana
Rigg) in
> On Her Majesty's Secret Service? With her age, Ward (an Emmy winner
for
> Sisters) would have made a more believable Paris than Hatcher, who, as
> Salon's Charles Taylor once said in my favorite description of her
> disappointing performance, "projects all the sophisticated sexual
allure of
> June Cleaver."
>
> Lance
I didn't know that cheers>I managed to miss Sela's starring role
opposite Tim Dalton in Passion's Way when it aired in the UK recently:(
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> "...Bond reflected that good Americans were fine people and that most
> of them seemed to come from Texas."
> Casino Royale. Chapter VII
>
>
Richard Ashton
>
> But might the box office on Octopussy be one of the inspirations for hiring the
> much younger blonde bomb(shell), Tania Roberts, for the next film? EON wanted
> to up the ante on audience demographics?
>
And look how well that worked out. Again, there's little evidence to
support the 'star' power of the female co-stars of a Bond film. Cubby
makes a real point of this in his book - referring to a 'name actress'
who asked a huge price to be in a Bond, and he refused.
Richard
John Savard
wrote, in part:
>Now I have no problem with Denise Richards, Wild Things is one of my
>favorites, but the role should have gone to an older woman.
Of course, though, Bond himself is being kept quite young.
The way to deal with this, of course, would be to set all his
adventures in a time period consistent with the novels of Ian Fleming,
rather than in the present, but that is a road not taken.
Due to the realistic elements of the James Bond saga, we can't have
him simply discovering a secret cache of capsules in a lost city in
Africa, or for him to have never had a childhood, but to instead be a
figure similar to one who fought alongside the Three Musketeers and
prospected for gold in Arizona after the Civil War.
Instead, as in comic books, this remains an unsolved problem: and
we're hardly likely to see the novel 'Bond of Two Worlds', where
today's James Bond crosses over to a parallel universe, to meet the
James Bond who went to Royale Les-Eaux in the late 1950s...
John Savard
http://home.ecn.ab.ca/~jsavard/crypto.htm
stu
> >favorites, but the role should have gone to an older woman.
i have a problem with Denise Richards, not the least being the fact that
she has no sex appeal whatsoever, and she's in fact very unattractive.
but that is beside the point.
> Of course, though, Bond himself is being kept quite young.
> The way to deal with this, of course, would be to set all his
> adventures in a time period consistent with the novels of Ian Fleming,
> rather than in the present, but that is a road not taken.
actually, it seems that this facet of "Bond" is in keeping with comic
book heroes, such as the Phantom. The Phantom started out in the 40's,
and although he has a huge line of ancestors running back 400 years, the
"current" Phantom usually lives in the same time-period as when each
individual story is written.
there is nothing wrong with this, and i think it's in fact an element
which keeps these characters fresh -- who wants to see a "period" piece?
and what good what that do anyway? it is far better for Bond to keep up
to date with "new" gadgets and what-not... and would you REALLY rather
see the "bond girls" be the types from the early films ... or would you
prefer to see more Famke Jenssen's ?
i know where my marbles lie.
Stu.
The Shadow
"John Savard" wrote :
>Of course, though, Bond himself is being kept quite young.
I believe he was in his mid 30's during the time frame of the Fleming books.
>The way to deal with this, of course, would be to set all his
>adventures in a time period consistent with the novels of Ian Fleming,
>rather than in the present, but that is a road not taken.
A retro Bond. Interesting but I do not see EON doing that.
>Due to the realistic elements of the James Bond saga, we can't have
>him simply discovering a secret cache of capsules in a lost city in
>Africa, or for him to have never had a childhood, but to instead be a
>figure similar to one who fought alongside the Three Musketeers and
>prospected for gold in Arizona after the Civil War.
I remember when I first went to see GE, during the pre-credit sequence it
looked as if 007 would soon be wearing a cape. It's a bird, it's a
plane....da da da dum! Thank goodness that the story toned down a bit,
although it tried to top the film Bullit by using a tank.
>Instead, as in comic books, this remains an unsolved problem: and
>we're hardly likely to see the novel 'Bond of Two Worlds', where
>today's James Bond crosses over to a parallel universe, to meet the
>James Bond who went to Royale Les-Eaux in the late 1950s...
More likely that one day someone will produce the Bond films that are closer
to the source material.
Lance Hirsch
> which keeps these characters fresh -- who wants to see a "period" piece?
> and what good what that do anyway? it is far better for Bond to keep up
I want to see one. The good it would do is to show us "new" Bond stories as
Fleming wrote them. I'm speaking of not just any period piece, but filming
the actual novels in period. To dismiss period pieces is to say that any
historical fiction should be brought up to date. This would give us a world
of Romeo and Juliets starring Leo DiCaprio and Clare Daines set in modern
times - The Patriot would be set in today's Eastern Europe, and I don't know
how Saving Private Ryan could have been made - but who needs it?
I'm on record, as are others as wanting to see period pieces made for tv
possibly as Jeremy Brett's Sherlock Holmes (which does pretty well for a
period piece and not being updated with gadgets and Famke - just don't put
Mycroft in a dress, it's been done ;^) ).
Lance
Kelly Clarke
not recommend that film to anyone. The damn film takes place long after the
Island was invaded by the Marines, and pretty much under control. The only
thing left was mopping up the Island, which of course, the Army was left to
do. The hardest job was taking the Island, and defending it. The film would
have been alot better if they would have showed it from before the Invasion,
thru the battle, then on to when the Army took over. LMAO, leave it to an
Army soldier to pull the pin on a grenade while its still on his hip. If
that would have happened in life, it would have blown off more than just an
Ass cheek.
Hu Ra
Kelly
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stu <de...@upnaway.com> wrote in message news:39A413...@upnaway.com...
> >> which keeps these characters fresh -- who wants to see a "period"
> >> piece?
> >> and what good what that do anyway? it is far better for Bond to keep
>
> > I want to see one.
>
> so, watch the Patriot, or Last of the Mohicans.
>
> > The good it would do is to show us "new" Bond stories as
> > Fleming wrote them. I'm speaking of not just any period piece, but >
filming
> > the actual novels in period.
>
> isn't that, more or less, what happened when they were big on converting
> the Fleming books into films?
>
> > To dismiss period pieces is to say that > any
> > historical fiction should be brought up to date.
>
> so where's the problem?
>
> > This would give us a world
> > of Romeo and Juliets starring Leo DiCaprio and Clare Daines set in >
modern
> > times -
>
> which was far more interesting than any other film version of
> Shakespeare ...
>
> > The Patriot would be set in today's Eastern Europe,
>
> so, i think it would've been more interesting.
>
> > and I don't know
> > how Saving Private Ryan could have been made - but who needs it?
>
> exactly, when we have The Thin Red Line, which is a far superior "war"
> film.
>
> actually, private ryan was okay ... but now we don't need any more WWII
> films, we have enough "good" ones as it is.
>
> > And yet the new Phantom film took place just before WWII (Like the
Indiana
> > Jones films), some of the same writers did both.
>
> yeah, and i was talking about the comics, which are still written ... as
> opposed to the Fleming novels, which are not being written anymore.
>
> Stu.
Holvbphoto
>
>actually, it seems that this facet of "Bond" is in keeping with comic
>book heroes, such as the Phantom. The Phantom started out in the 40's,
>and although he has a huge line of ancestors running back 400 years, the
>"current" Phantom usually lives in the same time-period as when each
>individual story is written.
>
And yet the new Phantom film took place just before WWII (Like the Indiana
Jones films), some of the same writers did both.
Vince
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jsa...@fNrOeSePnAeMt.edmonton.ab.ca (John Savard) writes:
>
>Instead, as in comic books, this remains an unsolved problem: and
>we're hardly likely to see the novel 'Bond of Two Worlds', where
>today's James Bond crosses over to a parallel universe, to meet the
>James Bond who went to Royale Les-Eaux in the late 1950s...
>
I would still like to see BOND team up with: Batman and/or Superman,
Or maybe John McCane (From Die Hard(s)), Tarzan, Rambo or how about the other
James (Kirk)
anyone have any other team-ups they like to see?
Yes I know it would never happen, but it fun to think about!
stu
> And yet the new Phantom film took place just before WWII (Like the Indiana
> Jones films), some of the same writers did both.
yeah, and i was talking about the comics, which are still written ... as
John Doherty
>
>which was far more interesting than any other film version of Shakespeare
...
>
What?
Better than Oliver's Hamlet or Henry V? Better than Brannagh's Hamlet?
Better than Peter Brook and Paul Schofield's King Lear. I don't think so,
somehow.
I applaud its 'reinterpretation' of Romeo and Juliet, but better than those
above. Never!
--
Regards,
JD
"Don't touch that! It's my lunch!"
Remove 'no-canned-meat' to reply to me.
Lance Hirsch
> > To dismiss period pieces is to say that > any
> > historical fiction should be brought up to date.
>
> so where's the problem?
Therein lies our basic disagreement. I don't mind seeing movies in a
historical setting and would think it may be neccesary to some plots. I
suppose almost any story can be brought into present day but for what
purpose? Leaving it in a historical setting would serve the same purpose
IMO (whatever that purpose may be).
Kelly Clarke
The Army did a good job on D-Day, and didn't mean to imply that they weren't
a good fighting force. It just happens that my Father was in the First
Marine Division that landed on Guadalcanal, and when I heard they were
making a movie about it, I was dissappointed to learn that it was filmed
after the Marine Corps had handed it over to the Army. I have read plenty of
books on the subject of Guadalcanal, and the battles that happened during
the invasion, and occupation. I thought it was going to be an intense movie.
I enjoy good war movies, and I just happen to think that "The Thin Red Line"
stunk. But even you would have to admit that The Pacific was a Marine/Navy
war, and Europe was an Army Soldiers war. Plain, and simple, I didn't like
the way the movie was filmed, they made it too poetic, or something, plus it
was too dry, and boring. That's just my opinion.
Semper Fi
Kelly
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> In article <8nvshf$s2h$1...@slb6.atl.mindspring.net>, "Kelly Clarke"
> <krcl...@mindspring.com> writes:
>
> >
> > Sorry, but I have to say this. "The Thin Red Line" sucked BIG time. I
would
> >not recommend that film to anyone. The damn film takes place long after
the
> >Island was invaded by the Marines, and pretty much under control. The
only
> >thing left was mopping up the Island, which of course, the Army was left
to
> >do. The hardest job was taking the Island, and defending it. The film
would
> >have been alot better if they would have showed it from before the
Invasion,
> >thru the battle, then on to when the Army took over. LMAO, leave it to
an
> >Army soldier to pull the pin on a grenade while its still on his hip. If
> >that would have happened in life, it would have blown off more than just
an
> >Ass cheek.
> >
>
> Here we go again, "The Marines are great, The Army sucks" c'mon it was the
Army
>
> on the beach on "D" DAY getting killed not the JAR HEADS.
>
> YES the MARINES are a great fighting force, but the ARMY is as well
>
> SP4 Vincent Pilutis
Holvbphoto
Moore-007
Moore-007
can be no question that the Navy/Marines did the lion's share in the pacific
because of the nature of the warfare there. I agree that "The Thin Red Line"
was a disappointment. Finally, just to tie this back to Bond, I think the
Royal Navy's potential strength was vastly overstated in TND. I have a great
deal of admiration for the British armed forces, but there is no way they
could take on China, in Chinese waters, in combat anymore.
Kelly Clarke <krcl...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> Okay, okay, My Apologies. I'm a little Gung Ho for the Marine Corps. Yes,
> The Army did a good job on D-Day, and didn't mean to imply that they
weren't
> a good fighting force. It just happens that my Father was in the First
> Marine Division that landed on Guadalcanal, and when I heard they were
> making a movie about it, I was dissappointed to learn that it was filmed
> after the Marine Corps had handed it over to the Army. I have read plenty
of
> books on the subject of Guadalcanal, and the battles that happened during
> the invasion, and occupation. I thought it was going to be an intense
movie.
> I enjoy good war movies, and I just happen to think that "The Thin Red
Line"
> stunk. But even you would have to admit that The Pacific was a Marine/Navy
> war, and Europe was an Army Soldiers war. Plain, and simple, I didn't like
> the way the movie was filmed, they made it too poetic, or something, plus
it
> was too dry, and boring. That's just my opinion.
>
>
> Semper Fi
>
> Kelly
>
>
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forces in the Southwest Pacific (ComSoWesPac). Vice Admiral Robert L.
Ghormley was Commander South Pacific (ComSoPac). The Boundaries between the
two areas was shifted one degree longtitude to the west, bringing
Guadalcanal, and Tulagi within the South Pacific (Ghormley's Command).
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Lance Hirsch
news:8o2brr$7tk$1...@slb1.atl.mindspring.net...
> Marine Division that landed on Guadalcanal, and when I heard they were
> making a movie about it, I was dissappointed to learn that it was filmed
The movie was originally made in 1964. FYI
Mac
| And look how well that worked out. Again, there's little evidence to
| support the 'star' power of the female co-stars of a Bond film. Cubby
| makes a real point of this in his book - referring to a 'name actress'
| who asked a huge price to be in a Bond, and he refused.
I've always been curious as to which actress Cubby was referring too
here. I wonder if it might have been the (then huge) Farrah Fawcett?
Don't ask me why...
--
-- Mac
"You sell a screenplay like you sell a car.
If someone drives it off a cliff, that's it."
Richard Ashton
>
> Finally, just to tie this back to Bond, I think the
> Royal Navy's potential strength was vastly overstated in TND. I have a great
> deal of admiration for the British armed forces, but there is no way they
> could take on China, in Chinese waters, in combat anymore.
Isn't that the whole irony of the scene? Moneypenny tells Bond that
"we're sending in the fleet," and all Bond can do is utter a bemused
"uh-huh?" and is more interested in his language teacher. Bond, a Royal
Navy commander, knows that it's unlikely the Navy would prevail.
But I could be reading too much into it. Nice layering by Brosnan,
though.
Richard
Dan Hartung
krcl...@mindspring.com says...
> Okay, okay, My Apologies. I'm a little Gung Ho for the Marine Corps. Yes,
> The Army did a good job on D-Day, and didn't mean to imply that they weren't
> a good fighting force. It just happens that my Father was in the First
> making a movie about it, I was dissappointed to learn that it was filmed
> books on the subject of Guadalcanal, and the battles that happened during
> the invasion, and occupation. I thought it was going to be an intense movie.
Before you go off half-cocked, you might read up a bit on the story. "The
Thin Red Line" was written by James Jones in 1962 as part of his Pacific
war trilogy, which began with "From Here to Eternity" (detailing Jones'
own experiences witnessing the attack at Pearl Harbor), continuing
through "The Thin Red Line" (detailing Jones' own experience in the army
on Guadalcanal) and ending with the unfinished-at-his-death "Whistle".
http://rking.vinu.edu/j.htm
(The James Jones literary society)
The title "The Thin Red Line", and the subject of the book that Jones
wrote, refers to the average soldier's experience, which isn't
necessarily objectively heroic.
So, DUH, the original book WAS NOT about the landing at Guadalcanal, DUH,
it was NOT about the Marines, and Jones -- who was wounded in the
fighting on the island -- doesn't deserve to be second-guessed by some
snot who wanted an "intense movie". Good grief.
> I enjoy good war movies, and I just happen to think that "The Thin Red Line"
> stunk. But even you would have to admit that The Pacific was a Marine/Navy
> war, and Europe was an Army Soldiers war. Plain, and simple, I didn't like
> the way the movie was filmed, they made it too poetic, or something, plus it
> was too dry, and boring. That's just my opinion.
I think it was far too long for what it was trying to accomplish, but
that dreamy, half-awake style is what the director is known for. It
wasn't intended to be an intense movie. It was intended to be a
meditation on the sense of unreality that being in combat for extended
periods forces on soldiers.
Generally, men who've been in combat are the LEAST likely to go around
portraying it as heroic. At least, that's the WWII generation ... in my
experience.
Kelly Clarke
mentioned anything about portraying it as heroic. As for intense, I was
talking about the hard fighting they went thru to hold the Island, the
hardships that they went thru when the Navy bailed out on them without
hardly any supplies. I am more interested in the events that occurred at the
beginning of the campaign, than what went on after the Army took over (for
personel reasons) I sure that the book, and the movie appealed to some
people, just not me. As for that little snot comment, I'll let that pass
because I feel I'm alittle more mature, than to go around calling people I
don't even know, names, just because you don't agree with me.
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The Shadow
"Kelly Clarke" <krcl...@mindspring.com> wrote :
>First of all, I'm not going off half-cocked.
If you have a bonding experience with Sela Ward it is best to go
fully-cocked.
Kelly Clarke
>
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