TND: worst bond ever
Marco Schroeder
worst Bond ever. It makes me not happy that to say, but even Moonraker was
better.
Only the hope for a better Bond 19 (TWINE) keep me alive
Marco
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"Marco Schroeder" <schr...@rol3.com> wrote:
> I've seen TND until now 5 times. Now I' sure: Tomorrow never dies is the
> worst Bond ever. It makes me not happy that to say, but even Moonraker was
> better.
Well, I've seen TND 5 times, and I disagree with you. What (specifically)
makes it so horrible?
> Only the hope for a better Bond 19 (TWINE) keep me alive
I hope that TWINE is good for your sake then.
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Nick Rheinwald
>I've seen TND until now 5 times. Now I' sure: Tomorrow never dies is the
>worst Bond ever. It makes me not happy that to say, but even Moonraker was
>better.
I agree, but I think LALD, TMWTGG, and AVTAK were much worse than both of
them.
--Nick
Andrew Way
Marco Schroeder wrote in message <36e03...@hebel.rol3.com>...
>I've seen TND until now 5 times. Now I' sure: Tomorrow never dies is the
>worst Bond ever. It makes me not happy that to say, but even Moonraker was
>better.
>
>
>
What u on about mate. TND is brilliant and I can't understand why you think
its so bad. Ok, so it might go abit over top with the action but its got a
unique storyline different from any other Bond film. Apart from, GE, TSWLM
and TLD this is probably one of my best Bond films. If you want a bad Bond
film I'd watch OHMSS but maybe I hated that one cos I didn't read the book.
OHMSS has a rubbish storyline, cheesy jokes and the worst Bond ever (Bronsan
being the best). But then again everyone's entitled to their own opinion.
Way
PoppaSalz
Great action.....okay
New......no follows premise similar to TSWLM
Cool....more like corny
Ruling the world's news... Whoopty do
You can control the news i will take a nuclear bomb
And all James Bond movies are awsome I think however some are better than
others
I don't think any suck
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>:|I don't think any suck
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Andrew Way wrote:
> Marco Schroeder wrote in message <36e03...@hebel.rol3.com>...
> >I've seen TND until now 5 times. Now I' sure: Tomorrow never dies is the
> >worst Bond ever. It makes me not happy that to say, but even Moonraker was
> >better.
> >Only the hope for a better Bond 19 (TWINE) keep me alive
> >
> >Marco
> >
> >
>
> What u on about mate. TND is brilliant and I can't understand why you think
> its so bad. Ok, so it might go abit over top with the action but its got a
> unique storyline different from any other Bond film.
it is basically a remake of YOLT, just no space stuff.
> Apart from, GE, TSWLM
> and TLD this is probably one of my best Bond films. If you want a bad Bond
> film I'd watch OHMSS but maybe I hated that one cos I didn't read the book.
i didn't read the book and i liked it
>
> OHMSS has a rubbish storyline
well i have to agree with that one :)
> , cheesy jokes and the worst Bond ever (Bronsan
> being the best). But then again everyone's entitled to their own opinion.
except for the people in communist countries hehe!!!
>
>
> Way
Justin Headley
and OP. And GF kiked azz
IronLion
>I've seen TND until now 5 times. Now I' sure: Tomorrow never dies is the
>worst Bond ever. It makes me not happy that to say, but even Moonraker was
>better.
Heresy!!! Nothing will ever be worse than MoonRaker!!! Please explain why
you think TND is so bad. I thought it was OK for a Bond film. Carver would
have made his company grow tenfold. The acting isn't that good, but Dr.
Kaufman's appearance makes it better than MoonRaker regardless of the rest
of the movie. (I'll give this: Stamper was the worst henchman all Bonds)
Neil Sarver
> I agree. At least the other popular "bad Bonds" (MR, TMWTGG, AVTAK) has style
> and were much more fun. TND was really a let down for me after the first
> viewing. I can still watch it and enjoy it, but it pales in comparison to
> FRWL, OHMSS, etc.
I have to admit I still haven't caught TND, but I though AVTAK was so
viciously crass and stupid, without even having MR's sense of winking at
its own silliness. I can't imagine that one could be any worse than
that.
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dean anderson
media mogul...yeah, right), but I was completely blown away by the
finished movie. Some criticize it as being a rewrite of another movie,
but I don't see it that way. I think the filmmakers realized that they
strayed too far in Goldeneye, and decided to include some signposts that
would connect it back to the "classic" films. The return of the
gunbarrel music, the Barry-like score, the hilarious scene with Q, and
seeing Bond in uniform are some examples that come to mind. As for
Carver, I think he's one of the best Bond villians. I could feel the
lust for power boiling under his skin, and it was obvious that he got a
high from the mayhem he created. All in all, if TWINE has the same feel
as TND, I'll be the last person to complain!
Daniel Bolton
Marco Schroeder wrote:
> I've seen TND until now 5 times. Now I' sure: Tomorrow never dies is the
> worst Bond ever. It makes me not happy that to say, but even Moonraker was
> better.
I agree. At least the other popular "bad Bonds" (MR, TMWTGG, AVTAK) has style
and were much more fun. TND was really a let down for me after the first
viewing. I can still watch it and enjoy it, but it pales in comparison to
FRWL, OHMSS, etc.
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Aksel
> I agree. At least the other popular "bad Bonds" (MR, TMWTGG, AVTAK) has style
> and were much more fun. TND was really a let down for me after the first
> viewing. I can still watch it and enjoy it, but it pales in comparison to
> FRWL, OHMSS, etc.
For me, TND had an excelent first half, and a lousy seccond. The first half had
style, and a Bond-ish tone. The seccond half was action scene after action
scene. Brosnan's performance was bad the whole way through though. Even Roger
Moore seemed to play Bond as less of a role model than Brosnan in TND. In
Goldeney Brosnan seemed at least a little cold, but not in TND. So, discard
that fact, does anyone know anything wrong with the first half of TND?
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"Marco Schroeder" <schr...@rol3.com> wrote:
> I've seen TND until now 5 times. Now I' sure: Tomorrow never dies is the
> worst Bond ever. It makes me not happy that to say, but even Moonraker was
> better.
> Only the hope for a better Bond 19 (TWINE) keep me alive
TND is either the worst, the second worst after MR, or the third worst
after AVTAK. The chances that Bond 19 will be better are very high only
because Bond 18 was so bad. But don't expect Bond 19 to be great.
The Professor
Master of all Sciences
(except boat building)
University of Hawaii
Pierre Rodiac
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Bernie Hanssen
IronLion wrote:
> >I've seen TND until now 5 times. Now I' sure: Tomorrow never dies is the
> >worst Bond ever. It makes me not happy that to say, but even Moonraker was
> >better.
> Heresy!!! Nothing will ever be worse than MoonRaker!!! Please explain why
> you think TND is so bad. I thought it was OK for a Bond film. Carver would
> have made his company grow tenfold. The acting isn't that good, but Dr.
> Kaufman's appearance makes it better than MoonRaker regardless of the rest
> of the movie. (I'll give this: Stamper was the worst henchman all Bonds)
Bond kills Dr. Kaufman in cold blood, only this time with Kaufman's gun!
First time this has happened since DN-too bad the EON people haven't explored
this aspect of Bond more frequently. Nothing wrong with killing killers and
other vile heinous criminals in cold blood, but as Connery's Bond said in DN:
"Well, it woudn't do to make a habit of it." Considering at least some of
those trolls lurking out there, that seems to make sense. They'll grow
up-eventually.
Burnsy
Aksel wrote in message
>So, discard
>that fact, does anyone know anything wrong with the first half of TND?
Two words: Teri Hatcher.
And Carver mysteriously coming up with Bond's phone number.
Other than that, I completely agree with you, I have few problems with the
first half of the film. I say it goes to pot when Bond and Wai Lin are
captured after investigating the sunken Devonshire. In fact, the last time I
actually sat down and watched TND, it was roundabout this time when I fell
asleep, waking up sometime midway through kd lang's Surrender. Although I
distinctly remember Gupta's death for some strange reason...
Rob Smith
TND is really a bad Bond film with a great pre-titles scene.....and it does
fit right in with MR, MWTGG, AVTAK...but what make it more disappointing
than those three...is it could have been so great.....it has some great
elements.....first lose the stupid doctor.....it was like Wint & Kidd all
over again......second lose Wai Lin.....this is a James Bond movie...the
hero is suppose to be James Bond. The producers thought will have a strong
female lead...none of this bimbo stuff. Other than Tanya Roberts, Britt
Ekland, Jill St. John and Lana Wood I have trouble recalling any Bimbos in
the Bond films (not counting CR....where to start there) four out of Lord
know s how many isn't bad...Pussy Galore, Anya Amassova, Natalya Siminova,
Octopussy, Holly Goodhead, Malina Havelock, Solitaire and Pam Bouvier were
all strong women...but in the end they all needed Bond to save
them......they couldn't do it alone. I think Bond could have gone home and
sipped martinis and Wai Lin could have done it herself.....in Vietnam...she
was the one with the computers and all the skills....while Bond jerk around
with exploding dragons (and why couldn't he use the keyboard if he took a
first in Oriental languages at Cambridge{YOLT}). Then as an afterthought at
the end of the film we have Bond "save" Wai Lin.....why didn't she just
climb the chain and un- hook herself (duh)? Will someone please shoot Jack
Wade? he was alright in Goldeneye....but come on....it is like J. W. Pepper
all over again....where is Felix? There are lots of amputee actors out
there and we have already had a zillion Lieters anyway...what is one more?
And what happened to M??? The woman who in the last film called Bond a
sexist etc. is now encouraging him to "pump" someone for info...and another
mans wife at that.....this is a different M for sure. That is just the
start of what is wrong.....so you ask what was right? The villain was
outstanding.....Jonathan Price is a brilliant actor...unfortunately Carver
wasn't given much to do.....the only time he seemed scary was when he as
explaining the knives in Vietnam....and the use of delicious was nice....but
other than that we never really got any sense that this guy was all that
frightening......even Drax had the see that some harm comes to him
line.....Carver had that dumb mock-karate thing...which was embarrassing not
scary. Stamper was also a great henchman.....but again...nothing to
do...why didn't he go in and threaten Bond in the hotel room instead of the
stupid doctor? One of the thing that made Xenia so great in the last film
was that she was menacing and she and Bond had a history because of the
Sauna brawl....Bond and Stamper never had it out till the end...when it
should have been Bond vs. Carver. (Carvers death by the way was
stupid...why didn't he just step aside like Bond did...he had lots of
time???) The story idea was good...but it looked like they wrote the action
scenes first then tried to force a story around them. Broccoli and Wilson
need to Stop watching die-hard and curl up with some Ian Fleming
novels...then watch FRWL, OHMSS, FYEO about 50 times each...then make a Bond
film again.....we haven't had a good one since TLD in 1987.
abs...@my-dejanews.com
"Burnsy" <aerosmi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Aksel wrote in message
>
> >So, discard
> >that fact, does anyone know anything wrong with the first half of TND?
>
> Two words: Teri Hatcher.
I agree. Paris Carver was not a developed character, but Teri Hatcher's
acting didn't help. I was quite happy when she was killed because I really
couldn't see why Bond would care about her in the first place.
> And Carver mysteriously coming up with Bond's phone number.
Isn't there some technology that would allow Carver to do that?
> Other than that, I completely agree with you, I have few problems with the
> first half of the film. I say it goes to pot when Bond and Wai Lin are
> captured after investigating the sunken Devonshire. In fact, the last time I
> actually sat down and watched TND, it was roundabout this time when I fell
> asleep, waking up sometime midway through kd lang's Surrender. Although I
> distinctly remember Gupta's death for some strange reason...
I think that it goes downhill when Bond and Wai Lin are just about to go to
the stealth boat. I really like it before that (except for Teri Hatcher),
but the supposed climax is pretty boring, although I do like when Stamper
says "Nein!". The German language is cool:)
Absorb
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With TND we have a great car chase with a classy Q-branch car, a top bike vs.
helicopter chase that's got loads of pace, M's lines are brilliant, and Teri
Hatcher happens to rank pretty high on my wish-list. Brosnan really gets to
put his own stamp on Bond this time, bringing the best elements of previous
Bonds together, looking great, and tackling contemorary enemies with classic
qualities (like the assasin who gets to do his hobby as a profession, Dr
Kauffman). Sheryl Crow's song is far from the worst bond track, and David
Arnold writes with conscious acknowledgement of Barry's contributions.
Watch AVTAK one more time before coming out with this sort of attack on TND.
In article <7bv7hi$slu$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
Aksel
>
>TND is really a bad Bond film with a great pre-titles scene.....
My grades: first half: A, seccond half: D.
>and it does
>fit right in with MR, MWTGG, AVTAK
Perhaps, but I enjoy watching all of the Bond films. I even liked TND better
than Goldeneye.
>elements.....first lose the stupid doctor.....it was like Wint & Kidd all
>over again......
The doctor would have been fine if he was taken seriousely. It would have been
more entertaining to have him be Red Grant-ish rather than Wint and Kidd-ish.
>second lose Wai Lin.....this is a James Bond movie...the
>hero is suppose to be James Bond. The producers thought will have a strong
>female lead...none of this bimbo stuff. Other than Tanya Roberts, Britt
>Ekland, Jill St. John and Lana Wood I have trouble recalling any Bimbos in
>the Bond films (not counting CR....where to start there) four out of Lord
>know s how many isn't bad...Pussy Galore, Anya Amassova, Natalya Siminova,
>Octopussy, Holly Goodhead, Malina Havelock, Solitaire and Pam Bouvier were
>all strong women...but in the end they all needed Bond to save
>them......they couldn't do it alone. I think Bond could have gone home and
>sipped martinis and Wai Lin could have done it herself.....in Vietnam...she
>was the one with the computers and all the skills....while Bond jerk around
>with exploding dragons (and why couldn't he use the keyboard if he took a
>first in Oriental languages at Cambridge{YOLT}).
Well, I though Wai Lin's character was great, and the actress really brought
her to life. I like the way for once Bond had a partner rather than someone
else to save. When something is used in a new Bond film that hasn't been used
in an old one, could be too un-bondish, or unique. This partner for Bond was
unique IMO.
>Will someone please shoot Jack
>Wade? he was alright in Goldeneye....but come on....it is like J. W. Pepper
>all over again....where is Felix? There are lots of amputee actors out
>there and we have already had a zillion Lieters anyway...what is one more?
Agreed. A return of Leiter will really add to film, at least more than having a
portrait of him on a wall.
>And what happened to M??? The woman who in the last film called Bond a
>sexist etc. is now encouraging him to "pump" someone for info...and another
>mans wife at that.....this is a different M for sure.
The M's may have been very different, but I didn't enjoy M's character in GE,
and did in TND. I dont see why Bond seems to get into an argument with anyone
who is older than he is.
>.so you ask what was right? The villain was
>outstanding.....Jonathan Price is a brilliant actor...unfortunately Carver
>wasn't given much to do.....the only time he seemed scary was when he as
>explaining the knives in Vietnam....and the use of delicious was nice....but
>other than that we never really got any sense that this guy was all that
>frightening......even Drax had the see that some harm comes to him
>line.....Carver had that dumb mock-karate thing...which was embarrassing not
>scary.
Ah, so the villain wasn't outstanding afterall? I didn't like him too much
either. Especially in the 2nd half.
>Stamper was also a great henchman.....but again...nothing to
>do...why didn't he go in and threaten Bond in the hotel room instead of the
>stupid doctor? One of the thing that made Xenia so great in the last film
>was that she was menacing and she and Bond had a history because of the
>Sauna brawl....Bond and Stamper never had it out till the end...when it
>should have been Bond vs. Carver. (Carvers death by the way was
>stupid...why didn't he just step aside like Bond did...he had lots of
>time???)
I didn't like Xenia or Stamper very much, but like you said, if Stamper had
more to do, he could've been good. I only enjoyed the character of Stamper at
the few moments when he spoke.
>The story idea was good...but it looked like they wrote the action
>scenes first then tried to force a story around them. Broccoli and Wilson
>need to Stop watching die-hard and curl up with some Ian Fleming
>novels...then watch FRWL, OHMSS, FYEO about 50 times each...then make a Bond
>film again.....we haven't had a good one since TLD in 1987.
Agreed. FRWL, being my favorite Bond film, has a style that the producers
should aim for. And your right, we haven't had a good BOnd film in a while
(though I loved Licence to Kill).