The Homage Is Not Enough: 150 Inside References (DAD SPOILERS)
Matt Sherman
homage with visual or verbal references by EON. . . look at how many
the ng has found to date. . . How many can we find? How many were not
meant to be there but by coincidence seem to be pulled from another
film?
Looks like great minds think alike. Many of you came up with ones
similar to the ones I "remembered" this past weekend.
Dr. No: Bikini and knife worn by Jinx Johnson (and Ursula Andress).
Dr. No #2: The "fast car Bond needs" in Cuba should look familiar. It
is the famous Ford Fairlane, and somewhat similar in appearance to the
chauffeur-driven car to first drive Bond 40 years before.
Dr. No #3: Wellington's Arch in London is featured in Gustav Graves'
London scene. The Duke of Wellington's portrait was stolen in the
1960's and featured in Dr. No's headquarters as one of EON's
first-ever insider jokes.
Dr. No #4: Inside the Cuban clinic is placed a bizarre sound effect
that duplicates the tinkling noises of Dr. No's gun barrel sequence.
Dr. No #5: Bond is sent for at a club where is a member when MI-6
"finds him" in both films.
Dr. No #6: The melting/explosion of the Ice Palace is highly
reminiscent of the collapse/explosion of Dr. No's headquarters.
From Russia With Love: The Cigar Factory scene is reminiscent of the
rug bazaar.
FRWL #2: "Raul's" character and dialogue, age and looks, office HQ and
association with MI-6 are perhaps the closest to that of Kerim Bey of
any subsequent Bond film. A very likeable supporting character.
FRWL #3: Bond sniffs unappreciatively at Rosa Klebb's knife shoe,
inside Quartermaster's lab.
FRWL #4: Bond ejects the dagger from his old briefcase just before he
sniffs Rosa's shoe.
FRWL #4: Bond is filmed during a (potential) liaison with an opposing
agent.
FRWL #5: Two women fight together in DAD as they did memorably in FRWL
and more briefly in GoldenEye.
FRWL #6: A trick suitcase is used against the villain and also to help
Bond escape from capture.
Goldfinger: Bond sets the timer in the plastic explosive in the
pre-credits as in Goldfinger. The explosive is clearly labeled for our
edification as Goldfinger-type "C-4!"
Goldfinger #2: Bond arises from the water in a black scuba outfit,
presumably a Goldfinger in-joke added to the C4 as there is no need
for a surfer to use scuba equipment.
Goldfinger #3: Bond's Aston uses an ejector seat, the fourth such
device if we include not only Goldfinger but the ejection from the
helicopter in GoldenEye and the clever ejector seat move on the
airplane in Tomorrow Never Dies!
Goldfinger #4: Jinx is subject to a laser table. Note the clever
script lines about her unwillingness to talk, which is why she should
die on the laser table! The DAD script is adorable! How can you not
like this film?
Goldfinger #5: All of DAD clearly is an homage Goldfinger in visual
style, parsing down of dialogue to minimum as needed to move plot,
zippy and quirky soundtrack (remember Vic Flick strumming a banjo in
Goldfinger?), etc. Hey, if you are gong to remake a film 17 times, do
it right the 17th time. Hooray!
Goldfinger #6: Pussy Galore struggled to pilot a plane during Bond's
fight aboard the same plane, as does Jinx in DAD.
Goldfinger #7: Bond is a member of a club where he pretends to be
scheduled for a lesson. He arranges a brief meeting with the main
villain and they plan to play the club's sport for cash. Bond is just
behind the villain in score (as in Ian Fleming's source novel
Goldfinger and the DAD film) when the stakes become elevated by Bond's
introduction of an item the villain smuggles. Both combatants play
hard and a bit dirty until Bond triumphs.
Goldfinger #8: Bond: "You're joking!" Q: "…I never joke about my
work."
Goldfinger #9: Q's famous "…Pay attention and this will only take
another 90 minutes or so" has been cleverly given homage in a nice
moment by "You can probably shoot through the manual in just a few
minutes."
Goldfinger #10: The window is shot out of Graves' plane in a moment
similar to the Goldfinger climax.
Thunderball: Bond used Q's "rebreather" in both films, discarding them
after use onscreen in both films, swimming this time "beneath the ice"
(pun intended), which reminds viewers of Largo's covered swimming pool
in terms of a confined space.
Thunderball #2: After he's distracted the guards and jumped through
the window to move around them at the Cuban clinic, Bond goes through
a patient's room, saying "Good day" in Spanish and lifting a grape.
The whole Cuban clinic is an homage to Thunderball in a pleasant way.
Thunderball #3: Jet pack appears in Q's lab. Bond: "Does this still
work?"
Thunderball #4: The audio cue as Bond exits the water next to the
Yacht Club is lifted directly from the Thunderball score.
Thunderball #5: Bond: "Yes, of course."
You Only Live Twice: Jinx sliding down a cable within the Ice Palace
is right out of the ninja attack from that film.
Casino Royale: Bond escapes a firing squad at the last moment than
jumps right back into trouble ala Woody Allen.
O.H.M.S.S.: The Cuban clinic is akin to Blofeld's Piz Gloria with its
eerie, hypnotic voices instructions gene patients in tutoring them
with new identities and languages.
O.H.M.S.S. #2: Jinx leaves Bond in an empty bed, as Tracy did in the
earlier film.
O.H.M.S.S. #3: The four-note guitar backing from O.H.M.S.S. is clearly
heard during the chase in through the Cuban clinic.
O.H.M.S.S. #4: Bond wades through relics of former missions.
O.H.M.S.S. #5: Graves asks Frost, "What would I do without you?" or
the same line previously asked of M and Bond to Moneypenny. Note that
most of the homage lines are delivered/edited with a quick dramatic
pause for an extra "script beat" before they are delivered onscreen.
O.H.M.S.S. #6: Bond is seen inside his office, and in a reverse of
leaving MI-6 in the O.H.M.S.S. scene, he is working right after his
reinstatement to active duty in the DAD version.
O.H.M.S.S #7. Speed-up/slow-down editing with sounds effects attached
plus crash-cutting/Peter Hunt style editing (eliminating all
establishing shots not pertinent to the action) used to great effect
in film. "Crash cutting" would include when Bond used the ice car's
parachute to knock off a motorcyclist from his bike... yet the
audience was not delayed to the action watching Bond set in place or
even retrieve the parachute beforehand. Peter Hunt borrowed this style
of action film editing from the French New Wave movement's "Jump
Cuts", forever changing action films.
Diamonds Are Forever #1: Glass floor of Gustav Graves' Ice Palace main
room reminiscent of Whyte House apartment glass floor displaying Baja,
California oil rig and other Willard Whyte concerns.
DAF #2: Bond smuggles diamonds by Bond in both films. In both films,
the villains illegally secure the diamonds before they are smuggled
between countries.
DAF #3: Icarus diamond-laser satellite reminiscent in design and use
of Blofeld's diamond-laser satellite. (Both satellites super-heat
stuff until it explodes.) Questionable: Is Icarus diamond-based as it
appears to bear diamonds aboard its "reflector" or is it merely
financed by diamonds as was Blofeld's laser?
DAF #4: Scorpions in titles and Bond's tortures bring back Mr. Wint
and Mr. Kidd. Hooray!
DAF #5: (They picked one of my favorite 007 films to homage
continually! Hey, I have my reasons why I like it!) The Cuban clinic
scene mimics DAF's opener with the masked doctors seeking to alter
both a villain's (Graves') and a henchman's (Zao's) facial features.
It wasn't merely Telly Savalas' Blofeld they were altering to Charles
Gray's features but Blofeld's doppelganger henchmen, too. Think about
it. Or if you like, "Angelo" becomes "Derval" as in Thunderball.
DAF #6: As 007 reads the Gustav Graves feature in "High Life" magazine
on the flight from Havana to London, you can clearly see the words,
"Diamonds Are Forever" as a subheading at the bottom of that page!
DAF #7: Both films feature diamonds smuggled away from South Africa.
DAF #8: Graves delivers the line, "DIAMONDS ARE FOR EVERy one."
DAF #9: Hovercrafts appear in both films.
DAF #10: Bond's car is clearly seen on two wheels just before it turns
over in DAD. Publicity shots of the Aston "on two wheels" DAF-style
were used in magazines worldwide.
Live and Let Die: Bond prominently enjoys a good cigar ala Roger
Moore.
LALD #2: A black American agent sleeps with Bond before he comes to
understand her true identity/allegiance. (Jinx Johnson's strong
character reminded me strongly of the delightful and strong in
real-life Gloria Hendry.)
LALD #3: A woman in the title sequence "melts".
LALD #4: A powerful magnet is used during a fight, as in LALD and
TSWLM.
The Man With The Golden Gun: The turning mirrors in the Cuban DNA lab
are right out of Scaramanga's "Island Fun House".
TMWTGG #2: Bond's car flips over and back upright again in DAD as in
TMWTGG.
TMWTGG #3: Bond's ring is a "sonic agitator". The "solex agitator"
drove TMWTGG's plot.
TMWTGG #4: Moon disables Bond's airborne vehicle, designed to
transport him to non-Communist territory after he kills the villain,
with a big gun he wishes to demonstrate for Bond's benefit.
TMWTGG #5: MI-6's ship is in Hong Kong harbor, nearby the sunken Queen
Elizabeth of TMWTGG.
TMWTGG #6: The copper bullet around Zao's neck containing four
conflict diamonds might be taken for a golden bullet homage. Bond had
to snatch both bullets during a fight scene.
TMWTGG #7: Jinx's "Off! Off!" are reminiscent of the scene with Bond
and Goodnight while Bond was almost cut in two by Scaramanga's laser.
The Spy Who Loved Me: Ice Palace reminiscent of Stromberg's Atlantis
in terms of architecture.
TSWLM #2: Cars are upended and crash vertically... near innocent
workers... for a laugh for the viewing movie audience.
TSWLM #3: The same sound effect is cues for the Icarus laser as for
the submarines being "gobbled" in TSWLM.
TSWLM #4: Union jack parachute as worn by Gustav Graves.
TSWLM #5: Bond's stolen skimobile is quite similar in design to the
now famous first ever jet ski from TSWLM.
Moonraker: Swordfight with Gustav Graves reminiscent of other
marvelous 007 swordfight, with Chang inside Venetian glassworks. Both
fights include errant slashes that topple and shatter glass cases.
Moonraker #2: Colonel Moon's waterfall "death fall" an homage to Jaws'
waterfall "death fall" in Brazil Glastron Carlson sequence. Watch the
camera angle and speeds in both sequences.
For Your Eyes Only: Madonna both appears in film and sings title song,
the second such double appearance, as Sheena Easton also appeared in
her Bond film, over Maurice Binder's titles.
FYEO #2: Bond dismounts a biker across the chest with a parachute and
flips two others through the air with his car. Reminiscent of bikers'
dismounts and deaths in FYEO Cortina D'Ampezzo scenes.
FYEO #3: Bond throws the parking break as in GoldenEye than rides away
backward. Melina shifted her transmission and sent the "getaway car"
also in reverse in FYEO.
Octopussy: Bede Mini-Jet may be seen in Q's lab.
Octopussy #2: Alligator Mini-Sub hangs alongside the Bede Jet!
Octopussy #3: Bond notices he needs to "borrow" the sunglasses of the
South African smuggler to complete his impersonation, a tip of the cap
to Bond needing a last-minute moustache to complete his doppelganger
bit in the Octopussy teaser.
Octopussy #4: Bond cases and sneaks onto a mysterious island HQ just
offshore after binoculars are used.
Octopussy #5: Q's old "rope trick" is lying beneath Q's table
onscreen! Apparently also an insider joke as Q is still "…Having
trouble keeping it up…"!
Octopussy #6: A moderate Communist resists a hard line Communist
wishing to turn a superweapon on the West's border in preparation for
a massive ground invasion.
Octopussy #7: Bond pulls the cord on another's parachute.
Never Say Never Again: Bond finds out in a pointed manner that a woman
he is bed with wields a knife.
NSNA #2: Bond throws a jar with a liquid specimen at the magnet to
activate it. A urine specimen was thrown to dismantle another
henchman's attack in NSNA.
A View To A Kill: Lawrence Makoare plays "Mr. Kil," a "name to die
for." (Bond was meeting Mr. Kil with a view to killing him later!)
AVTAK #2: Bond glacier sky surfing sequence is reminiscent of
"California Girls" snowboard bit in the AVTAK teaser. In both films,
Bond dismantles a crashed, stolen sit-down snow ski to create a
surfboard.
AVTAK #3: On the floor on the right-hand side of Q's lab door, you can
see Q's robot dog snooping device!
AVTAK #4: Gustav Graves is reminiscent of Max Zorin. Both men are
fairly young, rich (though his fortune and opportunities are
"inherited" from his Communist support base), he has a quick, bad
temper and psychotic/sociopathic conversational manner, and breaks
with his former Communist allies. Zorin's Pegasus colt was "Ithacus"
(mythological suitor of Penelope). Graves' satellite is "Icarus"
(mythological flier burned going close to the sun).
AVTAK #5: The camera lingers on the medal Graves steals from his
father as the now "British" Graves treasures his father's award. Bond
is awarded the Order of Lenin in AVTAK and the pseudo-medals prepared
for both films are similar in appearance.
The Living Daylights: The giant Russian cargo plane with the huge exit
in back, and several vehicles, at least one of which contains
parachutes, is one obvious reference.
TLD #2: Beach opening credits resemble TLD's opener as in both the
audience views set traps for tanks/armored vehicles.
TLD #3: An exciting Aston Martin car chase through ice and snow with
numerous gadgets are featured in both DAD and its predecessor.
TLD #4: M warns the assembled team that Bond and Johnson are
unreachable "…IN THE MIDDLE OF A Korean AIRBASE." Bond, of course,
admonished Kara that they were perhaps hopelessly stuck "…In the
middle of a Russian airbase."
TLD #5: A bust/head of the villain is displayed in that villain's
headquarters.
License To Kill: Bond is released from active duty and purposed for
quarantine/debriefing when he directly and angrily disobeys M then
escapes MI-6 to seek revenge.
LTK #2: Working as an MI-6 sniper, Bond is about to kill his quarry
when his shot is blocked/interrupted. As also in the "Living
Daylights" film and original Fleming short story where Bond hesitates
to kill a woman, perhaps Bond hesitates in DAD because Miranda Frost
enters his sights and he cannot therefore "see" Moon clearly.
LTK #3: A female agent conceals a small pistol in a "weeping eye"
holster (concealed below her dress).
LTK #4: Jinx trounces Frost with a knife to the heart and says later,
"I think I broke her heart." Sanchez has a knife taken to the heart of
Lupe's lover with a heart quip, too.
GoldenEye: We see Bond's laser watch cut an icy semi-circle in an
almost exact duplicate of the move from the GoldenEye teaser sequence.
GoldenEye #2: Bond's struggle to right the falling helicopter is
almost a straight mimic of Bond's attempts to right his plane in the
opener of GoldenEye ("C'mon c'mon".) Both times Bond is successful in
averting disaster, of course.
GoldenEye #3: Both movies feature villains disfigured facially by an
explosion set by Bond.
GoldenEye #4: The great expense of damages to Aston Martins and
Ferraris raised eyebrows when the Xenia/Bond car chase was filmed.
Xenia's car was originally to have been a yellow Ferrari. A yellow
Ferrari and a red Countach (rather similar to an old Lotus) are
trashed during the final scenes of DAD.
GoldenEye #5: Bond begins his teaser mission alongside an MI-6
colleague.
GoldenEye #6: Bond tells Q in a dry manner, "Point taken..." after
touching Rosa's shoe in Q's lab. The same quip is delivered to M's
"…Sexist, misogynist dinosaur" speech in GoldenEye.
GoldenEye #7: The large golden-irised eye of the GoldenEye credits is
clearly seen twice during the DAD titles.
GoldenEye #8: A bullet hurtles through the gun barrel in a "shot" from
GoldenEye's titles opener.
GoldenEye #9: Q's car again has "…All the usual refinements."
GoldenEye #10: A "hand identigraph" allows a villain access in both
films to the secret satellite guidance center.
GoldenEye #11: The purplish lightning of Graves' glove, the
paper/debris strewn about the plane during the climax fight and even
the rumbling Icarus shockwaves themselves through Korean territory are
very close visually to the destruction onscreen caused by the
GoldenEye satellite.
GoldenEye #12: Bond and Jinx come up inside a level of Graves' plane
by lifting a plate just as Bond and 006 did in the GoldenEye teaser.
Moments later, they pass one of the GoldenEye gas canisters (near the
Ferrari)! A few moments later, Jinx drops from ceiling inside one
level aboard Graves' plane while pursuing the pilot where toilet paper
and accessories are stored. Like Bond, she "…Had to stop in the
bathroom".
GoldenEye #13: Jinx's disrobe to throw off the Cuban guards reminds us
of Xenia's revealing outfit and strip down in GoldenEye.
Tomorrow Never Dies: Jinx's cable and leather outfit are an almost
direct lift of Wai Lin's. Note that Miranda Frost later comments on
"Jinx's tailor!". This one is too good not to be true.
TND #2: An expatriate foreigner who is now a recognized member of
British high society is the main villain, as in TWINE as well! In
GoldenEye, the other of the four Brosnan Bonds, the villain is an
expatriate "Englishman" (Although Trevelyan is technically a Lienz
Cossack who passes himself off as an Englishman and then as a Russian
– note Ourumov's surprise when Bond tells him Trevelyan's true
identity)!
TND #3: Bond studies wall art for a few moments to discern where he
can reveal a villain's secret supplies/room in both Carver's Hamburg
HQ and the Cuban clinic.
TND #4: Bond hefts and uses a square glass ashtray for destruction in
both films. The ashtrays seem to be nearly identical. Someone check
the TND DVD.
TND #5: The car chases in both films go up and down a circular run and
both end when a car crashes through a wall. Note the height of both
barrier walls in both films as they are nearly identical.
TND #6: Bond provides air mouth-to-mouth for Jinx as he did Wai Lin
after henchmen plan to drown the women.
TND #7: The fiery explosions behind M as she speaks are eerily similar
and perhaps even lifted in homage directly from TND's teaser
explosion. In both cases, M is asking Charles Robinson, et al,
regarding Bond's whereabouts.
TND #8: Bond's descent along Graves' geodesic dome mimics Wai Lin's
cable walk even in its body posturing.
TND #9: Villains in both films launch private-invite publicity parties
to reveal their satellite capabilities. Graves plans to "…Change your
world" while Carver seeks "…World domination."
The World Is Not Enough: Icarus was the son of Daedalus in Greek
mythology. A father and son fly too close to the sun and are
burned/fall to their deaths. Colonel Moon and his father die aboard a
plane that uses sunlight as weaponry... Jinx turns the DAD plane
toward the "sunbeam" before father and son die aboard the craft...
Greek mythology as Bond plot. Reminiscent of "Elektra" King (daughter
who slays father for Greek mythology as 007 plot). Also, Janus,
two-faced god of Roman mythology is a simile for Alec Trelveyan's
two-sided face in GoldenEye.
TWINE #2: David Arnold's "love theme" for the final minute of DAD
lifts straight from TWINE's romantic theme/theme song. David Arnold
also gives homage O.H.M.S.S. and another half-dozen of John Barry's
Bond scores in pleasant ways in DAD. Especially prominent besides
TWINE are cues from THUNDERBALL, YOLT and O.H.M.S.S.
TWINE #3: Jinx shares an apple with Bond as Elektra shared a cube of
ice in the earlier Purvis/Wade written film. The scriptwriters' homage
to "ice" in DAD is duly noted.
TWINE #4: Jinx faces drowning and beats the door hoping to be rescued,
than later asks Bond why he waited so long to save her. Bond pounded
the airlock window in the TWINE submarine in the same manner as his
air supply ran low.
TWINE #5: The "fire woman" of TWINE's poster and book campaigns
returns (sort of) in Kleinman's DAD titles.
TWINE #6: A female ally of MI-6 turns out as traitor using sex to
manipulate/blind Bond.
TWINE #7: Jinx's dive backwards is an "I can top this!" reference to
Bond's spectacular high dive near the Zhukovsky submarine.
TWINE #8: Frost, now converted openly from good girl to bad girl above
the Korean demilitarized zone, appears to Jinx in tube top and shorts
similar to Denise Richards' TWINE appearance in the nuclear
dismantling DMZ.
TWINE #9: After straining to pull himself using Graves' parachute to
shore and to a safe landing, Bond quickly stretches out an arm and
shoulder, as he injured himself in the TWINE pre-credits sequence!
Ian Fleming's Resource Material: Bond's cover as "James Bond,
Ornithologist" and his reading "Birds Of The West Indies" (as written
by James Bond!) onscreen.
Ian Fleming's Casino Royale: The Miranda Frost character is a nod to
Vesper Lynd. (Purvis and Wade re-read the Fleming novels before
bringing DAD to the screen.)
Casino Royale #2: General Moon wields scissors for an audience
frightening moment. Perhaps Bond was brutalized as in the Casino
Royale novel in a sensitive area?
Ian Fleming's Moonraker: British-adopted foreigner awaits knighthood,
seeks to play Bond for money (angrily and with vast pride) at
"Blades". ("Gala Brand" was originally the name for "Miranda Frost" as
well.)
Ian Fleming's Goldfinger: Korean henchmen and staff populate the
villain's headquarters.
Ian Fleming's Thunderball: Domino was enamored of the Players
Cigarette's sailor character. Two different posters for the Players
Cigarettes Sailor appear in the London Underground MI-6 Headquarters!
Ian Fleming's O.H.M.S.S.: Miranda Frost's "Love For Dinner" and "Death
For Breakfast" are pulled straight from Fleming's novel (to good
effect in the film)!
Ian Fleming's The Man With The Golden Gun: Bond is captured by bad
guys. Perhaps he has been brainwashed to be turned against M
himself/herself? M's "office" has an invisible partition to protect
her/him from Bond.
Kingsley Amis as Robert Markham's Colonel Sun: "Colonel Moon" was to
have been named "Colonel Sun" in the original DAD draft.
John Gardner's License Renewed: Bond is a "blunt instrument" who
serves M and England in that disagreeable but necessary capacity.
John Gardner's Icebreaker: "The Ice Palace" is the given nickname of
the villain's headquarters.
Icebreaker #2: Bond is tortured in an attempt to reveal MI-6
information, via icy water.
John Gardner's Role Of Honour: Bond dispatches with a throwing knife
to the throat as used effectively by Jinx in DAD.
Raymond Benson's The Facts Of Death: Invisible/surface changing car
appears (disappears).
Insider Joke #1: Quartermaster tells Bond about his Omega [and also
the Bond films themselves], "...That's about 20 of them now, isn't
it?" Bond replies, "...Has it been that many?" [watches bond has lost
and also 20 Bond films over 40 years?]
Insider Joke #2: Bond quips "...Just a flesh wound" to John Cleese as
Q. Perhaps the best-known movie or TV line of all time from John
Cleese's famous comedy troupe is "...Just a flesh wound!" from Monty
Python and the Holy Grail.
Insider Joke #3: Bond reads "High Life" for an in-flight travel
magazine, just the type of life 007 lives… and Bond gives a quick quip
about his martini being shaken (the plane has presumably experienced
turbulence in an earlier deleted scene or perhaps something happened
between Bond and the flight attendant?)
Insider Joke #4: Bond's appearance post-Korean capture is reminiscent
of the "Robinson Crusoe" beard and long hair. Recall the producers
aghast at Lazenby's publicity appearance with long hair and a beard.
Pierce Brosnan appeared pre-GoldenEye with a similar "Crusoe" look.
Insider Joke #5: Anticipating audience reaction to the "Vanish," the
car lift rolls beneath an underground "Way Out" sign! Get it?
Other #1: Producer Michael G. Wilson makes yet another cameo, this
time in "Havana" (leaning against a car in scene as Bond strolls
across a city street).
Other #2: Michael Wilson again appears onscreen VERY briefly inside
intelligence headquarters (the white-moustache general standing
alongside M).
Other #3: "Gregg Wilson" wrote The High Life magazine article about
Gustav Graves.
Gregg is Michael Wilson's real-life son.
Other #4: Roger Moore's daughter, Deborah, makes a cameo appearance
onscreen in DAD.
Other #5: Bond drops his heart rate as in the old Derek Flint series.
Other #6: The plane with the glass panels is visually reminiscent of
Dr. Evil's sub in Goldmember.
Other #7: Bond is captured at least once, and boats are either used or
seen onscreen, as in all 21 previous Bond films.
If you like this game you'll love the 4,000 words I wrote about the
bizarre similarities between GoldenEye and Tomorrow Never Dies for
007Forever.com. ;)
--Matt Sherman
With their Bond 20, EON is "...More of a problem eliminator."
MediaWatch
> For Die Another Day, all 19 previous Bonds were intentionally given
> homage with visual or verbal references by EON. . . look at how many
> the ng has found to date. . . How many can we find? How many were not
> meant to be there but by coincidence seem to be pulled from another
> film?
>
> Looks like great minds think alike. Many of you came up with ones
> similar to the ones I "remembered" this past weekend.
>
> From Russia With Love: The Cigar Factory scene is reminiscent of the
> rug bazaar.
>
> FRWL #2: "Raul's" character and dialogue, age and looks, office HQ and
> association with MI-6 are perhaps the closest to that of Kerim Bey of
> any subsequent Bond film. A very likeable supporting character.
>
> FRWL #3: Bond sniffs unappreciatively at Rosa Klebb's knife shoe,
> inside Quartermaster's lab.
>
> FRWL #4: Bond ejects the dagger from his old briefcase just before he
> sniffs Rosa's shoe.
>
> FRWL #4: Bond is filmed during a (potential) liaison with an opposing
> agent.
>
> FRWL #5: Two women fight together in DAD as they did memorably in FRWL
> and more briefly in GoldenEye.
>
> FRWL #6: A trick suitcase is used against the villain and also to help
> Bond escape from capture.
Another FRWL: When Bond meets Jinx: "My friends call me Jinx" Bond:
"Mine call me James Bond." Taken from when Bond meets Tatiana in FRWL
I also thought that entire scene had a very similar look and feel to the
scene when Bond meets Fatima Blush in NSNA.
Tim Pollard
news:33235fbd.02112...@posting.google.com...
> For Die Another Day, all 19 previous Bonds were intentionally given
> homage with visual or verbal references by EON. . . look at how many
> the ng has found to date. . . How many can we find? How many were not
> meant to be there but by coincidence seem to be pulled from another
> film?
>
> Looks like great minds think alike. Many of you came up with ones
> similar to the ones I "remembered" this past weekend.
Goldfinger #11: The baddie has a Korean henchman.
--
Regards
Tim Pollard
Website: www.timpollard.com
Weblog: www.xanga.com/home.asp?user=timpollard
On being introduced to Brosnan, [the Queen] said: "So you're the modern
James Bond are you? I've met the other three downstairs."
Mr. Kiss-Kiss Bang-Bang
> "Mine call me James Bond." Taken from when Bond meets Tatiana in FRWL
>
> I also thought that entire scene had a very similar look and feel to the
> scene when Bond meets Fatima Blush in NSNA.
>
>
scene in the trailer and everyone shot me down.
Fatima: I made you all wet.
Bond: Yes, but my martini is still dry.
At least there is one person who agrees with me.
Tom Bonard
bell rope (one of my favourite scenes: 'Saved by the bell' got the biggest
groan of them all!) and is hitting the bell repeatedly. Surely, a reference
to the very noisy fight Bond has with a henchman in amongst the bells near
the Piz Gloria in the aforementioned film?
Gérard Morvan
"Matt Sherman" <m...@007forever.com> a écrit dans le message news:
33235fbd.02112...@posting.google.com...
>
> You Only Live Twice: Jinx sliding down a cable within the Ice Palace
> is right out of the ninja attack from that film.
>
Secret service uses: a subway station.
Gérard Morvan
PerfectTommy
> For Die Another Day, all 19 previous Bonds were intentionally given
> homage with visual or verbal references by EON. . . look at how many
> the ng has found to date. . . How many can we find?
This list is Riddled with errors, reeeaches and strrretches. It's one
reason I don't believe anything printed in Time magazine. If a
"homage" appears in more than 3 films, then it's a common James Bond
film element, and no longer an homage to a specific film.
> Looks like great minds think alike. Many of you came up with ones
> similar to the ones I "remembered" this past weekend.
>
> Dr. No: Bikini and knife worn by Jinx Johnson (and Ursula Andress).
>
> Dr. No #2: The "fast car Bond needs" in Cuba should look familiar. It
> is the famous Ford Fairlane, and somewhat similar in appearance to the
> chauffeur-driven car to first drive Bond 40 years before.
Wrong make model and year. It's Lippe's Ford in TB --and not the 57
chevy in DN!!! error
>
> Dr. No #3: Wellington's Arch in London is featured in Gustav Graves'
> London scene. The Duke of Wellington's portrait was stolen in the
> 1960's and featured in Dr. No's headquarters as one of EON's
> first-ever insider jokes.
London Locations?
>
> Dr. No #4: Inside the Cuban clinic is placed a bizarre sound effect
> that duplicates the tinkling noises of Dr. No's gun barrel sequence.
>
> Dr. No #5: Bond is sent for at a club where is a member when MI-6
> "finds him" in both films.
element: bond is often summoned
> Dr. No #6: The melting/explosion of the Ice Palace is highly
> reminiscent of the collapse/explosion of Dr. No's headquarters.
element: lair destroyed
>
> From Russia With Love: The Cigar Factory scene is reminiscent of the
> rug bazaar.
error not at all
>
> FRWL #2: "Raul's" character and dialogue, age and looks, office HQ and
> association with MI-6 are perhaps the closest to that of Kerim Bey of
> any subsequent Bond film. A very likeable supporting character.
It's "Raoul" and yes, a resemblance
>
> FRWL #3: Bond sniffs unappreciatively at Rosa Klebb's knife shoe,
> inside Quartermaster's lab.
>
> FRWL #4: Bond ejects the dagger from his old briefcase.
"attache"
>
> FRWL #4: Bond is filmed during a (potential) liaison with an opposing
> agent.
bond is filmed through a one way mirror.
>
> FRWL #5: Two women fight together in DAD as they did memorably in FRWL
> and more briefly in GoldenEye.
"cockfight" similar to "catfight"
>
> FRWL #6: A trick suitcase is used against the villain and also to help
> Bond escape from capture.
reeeeeach
>
> Goldfinger: Bond sets the timer in the plastic explosive in the
> pre-credits as in Goldfinger. The explosive is clearly labeled for our
> edification as Goldfinger-type "C-4!"
no it isn't. In GF, bond squeezes plastique from a tube, and the
detonator doesn't blink. reach
>
> Goldfinger #2: Bond arises from the water in a black scuba outfit,
> presumably a Goldfinger in-joke added to the C4 as there is no need
> for a surfer to use scuba equipment.
Hardly. Surfers wear wetsuits To prevent Hypothermia from the arctic
current. Surfers even wear wetsuits in Calfornia!!!
Ugh! I hereby deem this list too stupid to continue...
Duncan
> O.H.M.S.S.: The Cuban clinic is akin to Blofeld's Piz Gloria with its
> eerie, hypnotic voices instructions gene patients in tutoring them
> with new identities and languages.
>
> O.H.M.S.S. #2: Jinx leaves Bond in an empty bed, as Tracy did in the
> earlier film.
>
> O.H.M.S.S. #3: The four-note guitar backing from O.H.M.S.S. is clearly
> heard during the chase in through the Cuban clinic.
>
> O.H.M.S.S. #4: Bond wades through relics of former missions.
>
> O.H.M.S.S. #5: Graves asks Frost, "What would I do without you?" or
> the same line previously asked of M and Bond to Moneypenny. Note that
> most of the homage lines are delivered/edited with a quick dramatic
> pause for an extra "script beat" before they are delivered onscreen.
>
> O.H.M.S.S. #6: Bond is seen inside his office, and in a reverse of
> leaving MI-6 in the O.H.M.S.S. scene, he is working right after his
> reinstatement to active duty in the DAD version.
>
> O.H.M.S.S #7. Speed-up/slow-down editing with sounds effects attached
> plus crash-cutting/Peter Hunt style editing (eliminating all
> establishing shots not pertinent to the action) used to great effect
> in film. "Crash cutting" would include when Bond used the ice car's
> parachute to knock off a motorcyclist from his bike... yet the
> audience was not delayed to the action watching Bond set in place or
> even retrieve the parachute beforehand. Peter Hunt borrowed this style
> of action film editing from the French New Wave movement's "Jump
> Cuts", forever changing action films.
>
The scene where Bond rescues Jinx by sonic disrupting the Aston's
window is surely a homage to the death of Tracey.
Matt Sherman
**Almost forgot this one myself...
GEYE: Zao's car spins around abd about in almost indentical scene to
Xenia's Ferrari.
David A McIntee
"Matt Sherman" <m...@007forever.com> wrote
> Other #5: Bond drops his heart rate as in the old Derek Flint series.
>
> Other #6: The plane with the glass panels is visually reminiscent of
> Dr. Evil's sub in Goldmember.
>
> Other #7: Bond is captured at least once, and boats are either used or
> seen onscreen, as in all 21 previous Bond films.
Ohter #8: A dreadlocked black character delivering a message to the star
after a fight is told "the place needed redecorating anyway"- just like in
Tomb Raider (and I'm pretty sure it's the same actor, too.)
Zao looks very similar to Shinzon in Star Trek Nemesis, which was trailed
before DAD.
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"Matt Sherman" <m...@007forever.com> wrote
> TMWTGG #3: Bond's ring is a "sonic agitator". The "solex agitator"
> drove TMWTGG's plot.
Surely more likely a follow on from Q's fruit-machine-banjoing ring in DAF.
Of course it's *actually* so that Pierce can wear his wedding ring, having
got hitched again since TWINE was made, without people asking "why's Bond
wearing a wedding ring?"
July-Nov
were terrorists take over MI6 and you have to shoot them. One of them
is in M's office pointing a gun at her.
Levi Ramsey
jas...@talk21.com (July-Nov) wrote:
I wonder if that appeared in an earlier draft of TWINE and was scrapped
but saved for DAD, much like the silo sequence that was going to be in
GE (and appeared in the game) but not used until TWINE...
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Matt Sherman
> m...@007forever.com (Matt Sherman) wrote in message news:<33235fbd.02112...@posting.google.com>...
> > For Die Another Day, all 19 previous Bonds were intentionally given
> > homage with visual or verbal references by EON. . . look at how many
> > the ng has found to date. . . How many can we find?
>
> This list is Riddled with errors, reeeaches and strrretches. It's one
> reason I don't believe anything printed in Time magazine. If a
> "homage" appears in more than 3 films, then it's a common James Bond
> film element, and no longer an homage to a specific film.
**Listen, you are taking this out of context. We're just having fun.
> > Dr. No #5: Bond is sent for at a club where is a member when MI-6
> > "finds him" in both films.
>
> element: bond is often summoned
**From a club where he is a member after MI-6 has been looking for
him? How often did that occur? Again, this is probably just a
coincidence though we're having fun.
> > FRWL #2: "Raul's" character and dialogue, age and looks, office HQ and
> > association with MI-6 are perhaps the closest to that of Kerim Bey of
> > any subsequent Bond film. A very likeable supporting character.
>
> It's "Raoul" and yes, a resemblance
**I have to check Raymond Benson's novelization here. IMDB.com says
"Raul" under cast list.
> > Goldfinger: Bond sets the timer in the plastic explosive in the
> > pre-credits as in Goldfinger. The explosive is clearly labeled for our
> > edification as Goldfinger-type "C-4!"
>
> no it isn't. In GF, bond squeezes plastique from a tube, and the
> detonator doesn't blink. reach
What was plastique called in '64?
> > Goldfinger #2: Bond arises from the water in a black scuba outfit,
> > presumably a Goldfinger in-joke added to the C4 as there is no need
> > for a surfer to use scuba equipment.
>
> Hardly. Surfers wear wetsuits To prevent Hypothermia from the arctic
> current. Surfers even wear wetsuits in Calfornia!!!
>
> Ugh! I hereby deem this list too stupid to continue...
**And Bond needs goggles atop his head over his wetsuit in DAD also,
why?
Finish reading the post before you call the ng members stupid. They
came up with some clever ideas and we know all 19 films were granted
homage in DAD somewhere.
Simon Templar
1. "I never joke about my work, 007."
2. After Bond enters the hospital room in Cuba, he stops to take a grape.
Similar to Thunderball.
As always, it was your pleasure
The Juju Man
The Minister of Martinis
The Minister
Simon Templar wrote:
>Another few references I picked out.
>
Phil7101
Graves (somewhat similar to the MR novel character of Hugo Drax), having just
tried to kill Bond in their fencing duel, refers to it as "good sport", as Bond
in MR the movie commented on the "good sport" after Drax has just tried to have
him killed on the shooting range. I do think this was an intentional reference,
and not just coincidence.
Simon Templar
>
>The Minister
>
Thanks Minister.
The Juju Man
Phil7101
>explosion set by Bond.
Also, both feature the villain apparently being killed in the pre-credit
sequence, but we find out later on that they survived, under a new identity.
Max
of Q's Lab. You can see it just after Q demos the glass break ring.
T Crowder
Zao's death underneath the falling chandelier is similar to the death of
Alex Travelyn in Goldeneye (underneath the telescope assembly).
Dave Gates
>Perfec...@webtv.net (PerfectTommy) wrote in message news:<2b76a743.02112...@posting.google.com>...
>> m...@007forever.com (Matt Sherman) wrote in message news:<33235fbd.02112...@posting.google.com>...
>> This list is Riddled with errors, reeeaches and strrretches. It's one
>> reason I don't believe anything printed in Time magazine. If a
>> "homage" appears in more than 3 films, then it's a common James Bond
>> film element, and no longer an homage to a specific film.
>
>**Listen, you are taking this out of context. We're just having fun.
I think it was very, um, generous of Mr. Sherman to collect not only
the dead-on references, but also the blatantly stupid ones.
Now we can pare down the list and figure out which ones really are
homages.
Personally, I'm inclined to dismiss ones from the any of the Brosnan
films. They seem too recent to "homage." Rather, they seem to just
represent how Bond films are being made these days. (e.g., references
to characters from Greek or Roman mytholology)
There really were a lot of good ones on this list. Some of them
blatantly there for the audience's amusement (e.g., Rosa Klebb's shoe)
and others more just "how things would probably work at MI-6 (e.g., a
glass barrier to protect M from a questionable agent).
Great work so far! :-)
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EagleBill
"Dave Gates" <dave...@spamfreelinkline.com> wrote in message
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> On 26 Nov 2002 12:46:21 -0800, m...@007forever.com (Matt Sherman)
wrote:
>
> >Perfec...@webtv.net (PerfectTommy) wrote in message
news:<2b76a743.02112...@posting.google.com>...
> >> m...@007forever.com (Matt Sherman) wrote in message
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>
> >> This list is Riddled with errors, reeeaches and strrretches.
It's one
> >> reason I don't believe anything printed in Time magazine. If a
> >> "homage" appears in more than 3 films, then it's a common James
Bond
> >> film element, and no longer an homage to a specific film.
> >
> >**Listen, you are taking this out of context. We're just having
fun.
>
> I think it was very, um, generous of Mr. Sherman to collect not only
> the dead-on references, but also the blatantly stupid ones.
>
> Now we can pare down the list and figure out which ones really are
> homages.
>
> Personally, I'm inclined to dismiss ones from the any of the Brosnan
> films. They seem too recent to "homage."
At the vry least, the laser-watch from the train escape in GE is
obvious.
> Rather, they seem to just
> represent how Bond films are being made these days. (e.g.,
references
> to characters from Greek or Roman mytholology)
>
> There really were a lot of good ones on this list. Some of them
> blatantly there for the audience's amusement (e.g., Rosa Klebb's
shoe)
> and others more just "how things would probably work at MI-6 (e.g.,
a
> glass barrier to protect M from a questionable agent).
>
> Great work so far! :-)
Yes, thank you Matt. Great fun!
Dr. Shatterhand
into this list. I would like to add several more and I'm sure this
has been mentioned before but not in your list.
Brosnan is wearing a blue Hawaiian shirt in Cuba similar to Connery's
in Thunderball.
I could not help remembering OHMSS opening scene with Bond watching
Tracy through the rifle scope as did Brosnan at Jinx with the
binoculars.
Zao and Gustav Graves' subtle homosexual relationship similar to Mr.
Wint and Mr. Kidd in DAF. Zao says to Graves that he looks terrible
(a reference to his Anglo-Saxon facial features). Not the kind of
conversation two heterosexual guys would say to each other.
The botanical garden is reminicent to the garden of death from the
novel You Only Live Twice.
Musical stings are found throughout the film that are similar to
previous films. You can hear several that are similar to YOLT, OHMSS
and AVTAK.
A song (London Calling) that was not originally written for the film
is played when Bond lands in London after a 14 month absence. TSWLM
(Lawrence of Arabia), MR (2001, Close Encounters of the Third Kind,
The Magnificent Seven) and AVTAK (California Girls) all have songs
that were not originally written for the film.
Once again, great list, great fun. The movie is the best since The
Spy Who Loved Me and that is saying alot in today's movie making
world.
Dr. Shatterhand
www.shatterhand007.com
John Moore
> Dr. No #3: Wellington's Arch in London is featured in Gustav Graves'
> London scene. The Duke of Wellington's portrait was stolen in the
> 1960's and featured in Dr. No's headquarters as one of EON's
> first-ever insider jokes.
Not to be the perpetual arguer of these things, but I think this one is
pushing it a bit. The arch is famous. I doubt it was an intended
reference to Dr. No.
> Dr. No #5: Bond is sent for at a club where is a member when MI-6
> "finds him" in both films.
Perhaps.
> Dr. No #6: The melting/explosion of the Ice Palace is highly
> reminiscent of the collapse/explosion of Dr. No's headquarters.
I don't see this one.
> FRWL #4: Bond ejects the dagger from his old briefcase just before he
> sniffs Rosa's shoe.
Backwards too.
> FRWL #5: Two women fight together in DAD as they did memorably in FRWL
> and more briefly in GoldenEye.
This one is highly doubtful as an homage as well.
> FRWL #6: A trick suitcase is used against the villain and also to help
> Bond escape from capture.
What? Oh...hmmm. Maybe.
> Goldfinger #3: Bond's Aston uses an ejector seat, the fourth such
> device if we include not only Goldfinger but the ejection from the
> helicopter in GoldenEye and the clever ejector seat move on the
> airplane in Tomorrow Never Dies!
By the way, that would have been a better escape near the end of DAD. A
different helicopter, and EJECT out of it as it falls.
> Goldfinger #7: Bond is a member of a club where he pretends to be
> scheduled for a lesson. He arranges a brief meeting with the main
> villain and they plan to play the club's sport for cash. Bond is just
> behind the villain in score (as in Ian Fleming's source novel
> Goldfinger and the DAD film) when the stakes become elevated by Bond's
> introduction of an item the villain smuggles. Both combatants play
> hard and a bit dirty until Bond triumphs.
Now this one I agree with totally. And he used a diamond instead of a
gold bar.
> Casino Royale: Bond escapes a firing squad at the last moment than
> jumps right back into trouble ala Woody Allen.
Ooo. Ouch. I don't think they would every pay homage to that movie.
> DAF #9: Hovercrafts appear in both films.
Nice one. I wonder if this was on purpose.
>
>
> FYEO #2: Bond dismounts a biker across the chest with a parachute and
> flips two others through the air with his car. Reminiscent of bikers'
> dismounts and deaths in FYEO Cortina D'Ampezzo scenes.
It was more reminiscent of AVTAK to me.
> Never Say Never Again: Bond finds out in a pointed manner that a woman
> he is bed with wields a knife.
But he wasn't in bed with the girl in NSNA.
> A View To A Kill: Lawrence Makoare plays "Mr. Kil," a "name to die
> for." (Bond was meeting Mr. Kil with a view to killing him later!)
I've said this before, but that is REALLY reaching.
> GoldenEye #6: Bond tells Q in a dry manner, "Point taken..." after
> touching Rosa's shoe in Q's lab. The same quip is delivered to M's
> "…Sexist, misogynist dinosaur" speech in GoldenEye.
This was just a dumb joke line.
> GoldenEye #12: Bond and Jinx come up inside a level of Graves' plane
> by lifting a plate just as Bond and 006 did in the GoldenEye teaser.
> Moments later, they pass one of the GoldenEye gas canisters (near the
> Ferrari)! A few moments later, Jinx drops from ceiling inside one
> level aboard Graves' plane while pursuing the pilot where toilet paper
> and accessories are stored. Like Bond, she "…Had to stop in the
> bathroom".
Ooo. Again, that's a bit much for me to accept.
> TWINE #3: Jinx shares an apple with Bond as Elektra shared a cube of
> ice in the earlier Purvis/Wade written film. The scriptwriters' homage
> to "ice" in DAD is duly noted.
Ooo. Again. First Jinx had a fig. Secondly... Oh forget it.
> TWINE #7: Jinx's dive backwards is an "I can top this!" reference to
> Bond's spectacular high dive near the Zhukovsky submarine.
No it wasn't.
> TWINE #8: Frost, now converted openly from good girl to bad girl above
> the Korean demilitarized zone, appears to Jinx in tube top and shorts
> similar to Denise Richards' TWINE appearance in the nuclear
> dismantling DMZ.
I did not see a resemblance at all. But I did notice that Brosnan wore
pants in this film. Bond has worn pants in every movie!!!!
John
John Moore
> The scene where Bond rescues Jinx by sonic disrupting the Aston's
> window is surely a homage to the death of Tracey.
Surely you jest.
John
Dean Eaton
> scheduled for a lesson. He arranges a brief meeting with the main
> villain and they plan to play the club's sport for cash. Bond is just
> behind the villain in score (as in Ian Fleming's source novel
> Goldfinger and the DAD film) when the stakes become elevated by Bond's
> introduction of an item the villain smuggles. Both combatants play
> hard and a bit dirty until Bond triumphs.
This happens in "Octopussy" too.
"As a hotel guest you're automatically a member of the club." Backgammon is
the high stakes game, where villain Kamal Khan is using loaded dice. Bond
puts up the Faberge egg as "security", and uses Khan's "lucky" dice to win.
Classic Fleming line from "Moonraker" (the book), spoken by Khan: "Spend the
money quickly, Mr. Bond."
Dean
Dave Gates
wrote:
>Classic Fleming line from "Moonraker" (the book), spoken by Khan: "Spend the
>money quickly, Mr. Bond."
I remember when I heard this line in the movie theater (not knowing it
was from a book), thinking that it was strained and not very clever.
I guess, when paying homage to the books, the producers should be sure
that the line is actually worthy of their movie. I know that
audiences groaned when Brosnan said "The world is not enough,"
thinking it was nothing more than an attempt to force the title into
the dialogue.
Tricky business, pleasing fans of the books and fans of the movies at
the same time! :-)
--
Dave Gates
dave...@spamfreelinkline.com
Raven
Murderer's Row? Two different hoovercrafts were featured in that
film.
Also the idea of controlling the worlds climate with Icarus could be a
homage to Our Man Flint. That was what the bad guys had planned in
that film.
> >
> >
> > FYEO #2: Bond dismounts a biker across the chest with a parachute and
> > flips two others through the air with his car. Reminiscent of bikers'
> > dismounts and deaths in FYEO Cortina D'Ampezzo scenes.
>
> It was more reminiscent of AVTAK to me.
>
> > Never Say Never Again: Bond finds out in a pointed manner that a woman
> > he is bed with wields a knife.
>
> But he wasn't in bed with the girl in NSNA.
>
> > A View To A Kill: Lawrence Makoare plays "Mr. Kil," a "name to die
> > for." (Bond was meeting Mr. Kil with a view to killing him later!)
>
> I've said this before, but that is REALLY reaching.
>
> > GoldenEye #6: Bond tells Q in a dry manner, "Point taken..." after
> > touching Rosa's shoe in Q's lab. The same quip is delivered to M's
> > "?Sexist, misogynist dinosaur" speech in GoldenEye.
>
> This was just a dumb joke line.
>
> > GoldenEye #12: Bond and Jinx come up inside a level of Graves' plane
> > by lifting a plate just as Bond and 006 did in the GoldenEye teaser.
> > Moments later, they pass one of the GoldenEye gas canisters (near the
> > Ferrari)! A few moments later, Jinx drops from ceiling inside one
> > level aboard Graves' plane while pursuing the pilot where toilet paper
> > and accessories are stored. Like Bond, she "?Had to stop in the
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> John Moore <jdwi...@midsouth.rr.com> wrote in message
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> > Matt Sherman wrote:
> >
> > > Dr. No #3: Wellington's Arch in London is featured in Gustav Graves'
> > > London scene. The Duke of Wellington's portrait was stolen in the
> > > 1960's and featured in Dr. No's headquarters as one of EON's
> > > first-ever insider jokes.
> >
> > Not to be the perpetual arguer of these things, but I think this one is
> > pushing it a bit. The arch is famous. I doubt it was an intended
> > reference to Dr. No.
> >
> > > Dr. No #5: Bond is sent for at a club where is a member when MI-6
> > > "finds him" in both films.
> >
> > Perhaps.
> >
Book reference: Sir Hugo Drax is a foreign enemy who "becomes" British under a
new identity. Bond duels with him (at cards) - in a club called Blades. The
blades-fight in the club may be a none-too-subtle wink to this (I've already
read non-fans comparing Graves to the book Drax).
--
Frank
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pay me later."
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> John Moore <jdwi...@midsouth.rr.com> wrote in message
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> > Matt Sherman wrote:
> > > Dr. No #6: The melting/explosion of the Ice Palace is highly
> > > reminiscent of the collapse/explosion of Dr. No's headquarters.
> >
> > I don't see this one.
Nor me. Graves' ice palace looks far more like Stromberg's sea palace in "The
Spy Who Loved Me".
Frankymole
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> Insider Joke #3: Bond reads "High Life" for an in-flight travel
> about his martini being shaken (the plane has presumably experienced
> turbulence in an earlier deleted scene or perhaps something happened
> between Bond and the flight attendant?)
"High Life" is the British Airways in-flight magazine (and a BBC comedy series
about gay air stewards). The martini the DAD attendent serves is juddered by
slight turbulence on-screen as she hands it over, hence Bond's quip. Why do you
suspect a missing scene?? I enjoyed your literary comparisons though - sorry I
mentioned "Blades" and the drax 'duel' before I read this post of yours. Glad
I'm not mad/alone in seeing it!
Vince
on the group.com> writes:
>
>Nor me. Graves' ice palace looks far more like Stromberg's sea palace in
>"The
>Spy Who Loved Me".
No one posted how part of the ice palace looked like the deadly globes from MR.
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>
> "Matt Sherman" <m...@007forever.com> wrote in message
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> > Insider Joke #3: Bond reads "High Life" for an in-flight travel
> > magazine, just the type of life 007 lives. and Bond gives a quick quip
> > about his martini being shaken (the plane has presumably experienced
> > turbulence in an earlier deleted scene or perhaps something happened
> > between Bond and the flight attendant?)
>
> "High Life" is the British Airways in-flight magazine (and a BBC comedy
series
> about gay air stewards).
That's the sitcom which starred Alan Cumming (Boris from GE).
--
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(Who only de-unsubscribed from afjb this afernoon and has far too many posts
to wade through, but is hoping to get back into the mood by putting the
Moonraker CD on).
LaBretBear
>slight turbulence on-screen as she hands it over, hence Bond's quip.
Note that the flight attendant is played by Deborah Moore, Roger's daughter...
Vince
(LaBretBear) writes:
>
>Note that the flight attendant is played by Deborah Moore, Roger's
>daughter...
>
>
Was that her? It was kind of quick.
LaBretBear
asked: << >Note that the flight attendant is played by Deborah Moore, Roger's
>daughter...
>
>
Was that her? It was kind of quick. >>
Yup. Caught her name in the end credits on my second viewing. Then checked
imdb. com to confirm.
Vince
(LaBretBear) writes:
>
>Yup. Caught her name in the end credits on my second viewing. Then checked
>imdb. com to confirm.
>
Talk about names as most of you know I'm selling PLAYBILLS on E-Bay well anyway
one of them will be for the long running "THE MOUSETRAP" in that play (1972)
there an actor PAUL DARROW (Detective Trotter) who played a doctor in DAD plus
there was one FRED KITCHEN he was an much older gent at the time maybe hes
related to KITCHEN (TANNER) in GE & TWINE, Grandfather great uncle?!
David Elliott
Bond said he threw out his cyanide pill years ago... I'm re-reading the
novel FRWL and the attache case Q Branch gives him had a cyanide pill in
it's handle, which Bond promptly flushed down the lavatory. Guess that's a
reference!
PerfectTommy
> Perfec...@webtv.net (PerfectTommy) wrote in message news:<2b76a743.02112...@posting.google.com>...
> > m...@007forever.com (Matt Sherman) wrote in message news:<33235fbd.02112...@posting.google.com>...
> > > homage with visual or verbal references by EON. . . look at how many
> > > the ng has found to date. . . How many can we find?
> > This list is Riddled with errors, reeeaches and strrretches. It's one
> > reason I don't believe anything printed in Time magazine. If a
> > "homage" appears in more than 3 films, then it's a common James Bond
> > film element, and no longer an homage to a specific film.
>
> **Listen, you are taking this out of context. We're just having fun.
>
in making the compilation, but feel a list such as this should be as
accurate as possible and that 封You封 are intentionally trying to be
funny or dliberately rumour mongering. 封We封 are not amused.
>
> > > Dr. No #5: Bond is sent for at a club where is a member when MI-6
> > > "finds him" in both films.
> >
> > element: bond is often summoned
>
> **From a club where he is a member after MI-6 has been looking for
> him? How often did that occur? Again, this is probably just a
> coincidence though we're having fun.
It's not clearly stated whether or not he is a member or a guest at
Blades, but he seems intimately familiar with Vavra.. er, I mean
Madonna. It happens often. In the PCS of GF, Bond is met at the bar
in the Latin cantina, --I'm not certain whether or not he is a member
or guest-- but he seems intimately familiar with their dancer, Bonita.
Moments later, Bond is found at the poolside cabana at the
Fountainbleu Hilton, --I'm not certain whether or not he is a member
or guest of their VIP club-- but he seems to be intimately familiar
with their masseuse, Dink. So, it probably continues in each of the
movies in the GF template. (GF, OP, AVTAK, TWINE) Also all the
hidden notes passed in the movie DN, then probably the DN/LALD
template too. (DN, LALD, FYEO, LTK) It happens alot. And there are a
lot of rendez-vous in the FRWL template also. (FRWL, DAF, MWGG, TLD,
DAD) Inside Zukovsky's club, outside the Bottoms Up club, inside the
Indian backgammon club, outside balcony of Kristatos club. I've never
sat and documented every movie, but it seems to be a very common Bond
film element.
>
>
> > > FRWL #2: "Raul's" character and dialogue, age and looks, office HQ and
> > > association with MI-6 are perhaps the closest to that of Kerim Bey of
> > > any subsequent Bond film. A very likeable supporting character.
> >
> > It's "Raoul" and yes, a resemblance
>
> **I have to check Raymond Benson's novelization here. IMDB.com says
> "Raul" under cast list.
IMDb was just having fun. It will have to make another one of its
famous corrections. The sign on the wall in the movie reads
"Raoul's." That's one of the reasons 封we封 feel this list should be
vetted, so that it doesn't lead to future innaccuracies. Of course,
we're just having fun. :-)
>
>
> > > Goldfinger: Bond sets the timer in the plastic explosive in the
> > > pre-credits as in Goldfinger. The explosive is clearly labeled for our
> > > edification as Goldfinger-type "C-4!"
> >
> > no it isn't. In GF, bond squeezes plastique from a tube, and the
> > detonator doesn't blink. reach
>
> What was plastique called in '64?
Ummm... "plastique." In any case, setting detonators for things to go
boom happens pretty often in Bond films. (FRWL, GF, OHMSS, OP, AVTAK,
GE, TND, TWINE, just off the top of my head.)
>
> > > Goldfinger #2: Bond arises from the water in a black scuba outfit,
> > > presumably a Goldfinger in-joke added to the C4 as there is no need
> > > for a surfer to use scuba equipment.
> >
> > Hardly. Surfers wear wetsuits To prevent Hypothermia from the arctic
> > current. Surfers even wear wetsuits in Calfornia!!!
> >
> > Ugh! I hereby deem this list too stupid to continue...
>
> **And Bond needs goggles atop his head over his wetsuit in DAD also,
> why?
Saltwater is an eye irritant, hence the goggles. Bond didn't wear
goggles in Goldfinger. Bond wore a wetsuit and had a drake or
cormorant or seagull atop his head in GF, --but no goggles!
Bond wore a wetsuit and goggles when he was fired out of the "M-sub"
torpedo tube until he came ashore in Japan in the movie YOLT.
>
> Finish reading the post before you call the ng members stupid.
Read it again!! All of 封Us封 members in this NG know that 封we封 are
not stupid. It's just many of 封your封 ridiculous entries to the list
which 封we封 found to be stupid. :-)
They
> came up with some clever ideas and we know all 19 films were granted
> homage in DAD somewhere.
Which makes it so much more challenging and fun hunting for, and
finding the filmmakers legitimate efforts, --instead of twisting,
contorting or making them up. If you look hard enough, there are 10
or more homages made to NSNA found in the movie DAD also. Either
intentionally or unintentionally, EON pirated so much material for the
film series from McClory, Whittingham, and Fleming that it couldn't be
avoided.
Steve S.
> m...@007forever.com (Matt Sherman) wrote in message news:<33235fbd.02112...@posting.google.com>...
> > Perfec...@webtv.net (PerfectTommy) wrote in message news:<2b76a743.02112...@posting.google.com>...
> > > m...@007forever.com (Matt Sherman) wrote in message news:<33235fbd.02112...@posting.google.com>...
> > > > For Die Another Day, all 19 previous Bonds were intentionally given
> > > > homage with visual or verbal references by EON. . . look at how many
> > > > the ng has found to date. . . How many can we find?
> > >
I didn't see anyone mention the scene where Pierce walks into a room
and behind him is a wall comprised of vertical mirrors that revolve.
This to me was a pretty clear homage to TMWTGG (Scaramanga's fun
house), as it was pretty unusual and did not appear to further the
scene in any other manner.
Vince
stekl...@icdc.com (Steve S.) writes:
>I didn't see anyone mention the scene where Pierce walks into a room
>and behind him is a wall comprised of vertical mirrors that revolve.
>This to me was a pretty clear homage to TMWTGG (Scaramanga's fun
>house), as it was pretty unusual and did not appear to further the
>scene in any other manner.
>
It was in a eariler post Steve but it was very pretty.
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<dsl...@optonline.net> wrote:
I just saw the movie for a second time and wanted to add these:
TND
Grave's speech unveiling Icarus to his guests compared to Carver's
unveiling of his new network
TSWLM
The bar scene with Jinx in the Ice Palace reminds me of the bar scene
in Cairo with Anya
YOLT
The camera approaching the hut in the final scene gave a feeling of
the athmosphere of YOLT
OHMSS
I may have imaged this one, but the target in the target range looked
a lot liked Emma Peel,
Finally, on a non-tribute level, is this the first movie that did not
have a sacraficial lamb?
Tom Zielinski
<hoda...@dragonbbs.com> wrote in message
news:3e11272a...@news.dragonbbs.com...
> Finally, on a non-tribute level, is this the first movie that did not
> have a sacraficial lamb?
No sacrificial lamb in "Goldeneye", unless one accepts the dubious theory
that the SF is Trevelyan. (I don't.)
Further, the sacrificial lambs in "Diamonds are Forever" (Plenty O'Toole),
and "The Spy Who Loved Me" (Fekkesh) are tenuous at best. The SF lamb
concept was grounded in a close Bond ally being killed at the hands of the
villain to provide a personal revenge factor, and give the audience a strong
reason to really despise the bad guy. Fekkesh and O'Toole were very minor
characters; their deaths didn't impact me (nor Bond, probably) in that way.
Tom Zielinski
"Life is Funny, But I'm Not Laughing"
Lee Edward McIlmoyle
news:NxgQ9.5025$134.5...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net:
Here's how little Fekkesh made an impact with me: I've sat and watched
that at least three times in the last six months, and once not two weeks
ago, and as God is my witness (and I say that with no trace of heresy in
this matter), I simply cannot recall the character at all. OH! WAIT! The
black market dealer! Got it! (he reminded me of Max Wright as Will
Tanner in ALF) Jaws in the phone booth. Yeah, you're right... no pathos
at all.
And Plenty O'Toole was far too much the perceived image of the Bond
Girl, throwing herself at Bond with all the tact and good taste of...
well, in truth, I can't think of any woman I would feel good describing
in such glowing terms, though I have, sadly, had the occasion to be
involved withone or two who might have sympathized with her plight
somewhat... *hrmm*. But I can definitely see why there wasn't much
effort to recover the lost material demonstrating her *ahem* enlarged
role. Truly, the only things we really learn about her are that she has
no couth, 'has friends in this town', and has a predilection for winding
up in swimming pools against her will.
Oh, and her boobs are each much bigger than her head, even with that
feathered hairdo.
Lee Edward,
who certainly hopes that, if he ever buys it in a Bond film, he has at
least earned a better punchline than 'he got cut off'.
Dgates
Are you kidding? IIRC, Bond's final words to Stromberg are "THIS is
for Fekkesh!"
... although, I believe on the DVD, they have the longer version of
the scene, where Bond tells Stromberg, "THIS is for Fekkesh, the black
market dealer you had killed!"
>And Plenty O'Toole was far too much the perceived image of the Bond
>Girl, throwing herself at Bond with all the tact and good taste of...
>well, in truth, I can't think of any woman I would feel good describing
>in such glowing terms, though I have, sadly, had the occasion to be
>involved withone or two who might have sympathized with her plight
>somewhat... *hrmm*. But I can definitely see why there wasn't much
>effort to recover the lost material demonstrating her *ahem* enlarged
>role. Truly, the only things we really learn about her are that she has
>no couth, 'has friends in this town', and has a predilection for winding
>up in swimming pools against her will.
Again, we've got the final scenes with Bond controlling the crane,
smashing Blofeld into the operations building, making numerous
references to Blofeld's murder of Plenty.
IIRC, Bond not only says "This is for Plenty," but he then adds "And
Shady Tree, and the dentist!"
And "Does petting that cat help silence the screams of all the
dentists and old ladies you've killed?"
--
dga...@spamfreelinkline.com
John Moore
> Are you kidding? IIRC, Bond's final words to Stromberg are "THIS is
> for Fekkesh!"
>
I don't recall that line at all. He just shot him, a few times, no?
John
John Moore
Never mind. I'm an idiot who skims the posts.
John
Dgates
Mike Feeney
that at least three times in the last six months, and once >not two weeks
ago, and as God is my witness (and I say that >with no trace of heresy in
this matter), I simply cannot recall the >character at all.
Amazing! (appropriate royalites being sent to Tom Z. for use of his patented
phrase...)
Were you awake while viewing TSWLM? Because the death of Fekkesh ranks as
one of the most memorable the series has ever offered. It is macabre and
intense. Fekkish notices Jaws at the pyramids and abruptly tries to make
an escape. One gets the sense that he is truly frightened and desperate
as he hurriedly unlocks the gate and then locks it back behind him - to no
avail. The darkened room, filled with shadows, set against the startling
sounds of the pyramid show, serve to make his death scene vividly chilling.
And this is the first time we learn the manner in which Jaws kills his victims
- nothing less than purely gruesome.
How one could view this film and claim to have no recollection of Fekkesh's
death is truly beyond me...
>OH! WAIT! The black market dealer! Got it! (he reminded me of >Max Wright
as Will Tanner in ALF) Jaws in the phone booth.
No, that would be Max Kalba. As with Fekkesh, his death is gruesome and
chilling. It serves to reinforce how deadly an adversary this professional
hit man known as Jaws is - perhaps the most deadly adversary James Bond has
faced. Great stuff!
>Yeah, you're right... no pathos at all.
>
Perhaps no pathos, because we never really got to know these two characters.
But as I explained above, their deaths are not meant to evoke pity from
us but rather to demonstrate how monstrous a killer Jaws is.
>And Plenty O'Toole was far too much the perceived image of the >Bond Girl,
throwing herself at Bond with all the tact and good >taste of... well, in
truth, I can't think of any woman I would feel >good describing in such
glowing terms, though I have, sadly, had >the occasion to be involved withone
or two who might have >sympathized with her plight somewhat... *hrmm*. But
I can >definitely see why there wasn't much effort to recover the lost >material
demonstrating her *ahem* enlarged role. Truly, the only >things we really
learn about her are that she has no couth, 'has >friends in this town',
and has a predilection for winding
>up in swimming pools against her will.
>
>Oh, and her boobs are each much bigger than her head, even >with that feathered
hairdo.
>
I rather liked Plenty O'Toole and found her refreshingly original. I did
feel some pity for her, both when she was tossed from the window and later
found drowned.
>Lee Edward,
>who certainly hopes that, if he ever buys it in a Bond film, he has >at
least earned a better punchline than 'he got cut off'.
That is a terrific one-liner, delivered perfectly by Roger Moore.
--Mike
"His name's Jaws. He kills people."
John Moore
As if he could do so any other way, right?
John
Vince
writes:
>
>Finally, on a non-tribute level, is this the first movie that did not
>have a sacraficial lamb?
>
No its not TSWLM & GE didn't have one either.
Vince
Zielinski" <rt...@earthlink.net> writes:
>Further, the sacrificial lambs in "Diamonds are Forever" (Plenty O'Toole),
>and "The Spy Who Loved Me" (Fekkesh) are tenuous at best.
I never thought Fekkesh was a sacrificial lamb there isn't any in SPY.
As for Plenty I guess one could call that a gray area.
John Moore
> In article <NxgQ9.5025$134.5...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>, "Tom
> Zielinski" <rt...@earthlink.net> writes:
>
> >Further, the sacrificial lambs in "Diamonds are Forever" (Plenty O'Toole),
> >and "The Spy Who Loved Me" (Fekkesh) are tenuous at best.
>
> I never thought Fekkesh was a sacrificial lamb there isn't any in SPY.
>
> As for Plenty I guess one could call that a gray area.
You saw her gray area?
John
Hercule Platini
Vince <holvb...@cs.com> wrote in message
news:20030101011609...@mb-cq.news.cs.com...
> In article <3e11272a...@news.dragonbbs.com>, hoda...@dragonbbs.com
> writes:
>
> >
> >Finally, on a non-tribute level, is this the first movie that did not
> >have a sacraficial lamb?
> >
>
> No its not TSWLM & GE didn't have one either.
Could one make a case for the sacrificial lamb in TSWLM being ... Triple X?
Surely he's only killed to provide that need for revenge, though admittedly
for Anya, not Bond.
Just a thought.
--
Richard Street
Ed Werner
Ed Werner
"John Moore" <jdwi...@midsouth.rr.com> wrote in message
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Lee Edward McIlmoyle
in news:v14c4j9...@corp.supernews.com:
Too tired for this. I apologize for forgetting the character of Fekkesh
or his powerful if rather stagey, flabby and anticeptic but otherwise
very brutal and macabre murder in the pyramid. You're no doubt correct
in surmisisng that I was asleep. Lord knows I deserve the sharp edge of
your wit more often for failing to get caught up in fairly contrived
scenarios that no doubt make mincemeat out of the script. In the final
analysis, I think I would sympathize and feel pathos for these
characters' plights if the director had spent less time dazzling me with
his carefully choreographed stalker scenes and had actually given me a
little more character analysis to go on, so I didn't feel like someone
had flipped stations on me and left me watching Halloween instead of
Bond.
And Plenty O'Toole was ridiculous and conniving. I feel no sympathy for
her. Bond avenging her felt forced in the extreme. Her one redeeming
feature is that she was blessedly efficient in getting herself
eliminated with as little fuss as possible.
Lee Edward, who should really save posting here until the hangover
subsides.
Lee Edward McIlmoyle
news:tga31vkp9r70vnjeu...@4ax.com:
> On Tue, 31 Dec 2002 14:08:15 GMT, Lee Edward McIlmoyle
> <leein...@hotmail.com> wrote:
*snip*
> Are you kidding? IIRC, Bond's final words to Stromberg are "THIS is
> for Fekkesh!"
>
> ... although, I believe on the DVD, they have the longer version of
> the scene, where Bond tells Stromberg, "THIS is for Fekkesh, the black
> market dealer you had killed!"
Nope, not kidding at all. Having been corrected by Mike on Fekkesh's
character, I still don't think Bond had much connection with the
charachter, and feel his revenge gesture was pretty hollow... especially
delivered by Moore... but I shouldn't have forgotten that scene.
> Again, we've got the final scenes with Bond controlling the crane,
> smashing Blofeld into the operations building, making numerous
> references to Blofeld's murder of Plenty.
>
> IIRC, Bond not only says "This is for Plenty," but he then adds "And
> Shady Tree, and the dentist!"
The lines ring so hollow, I can't even begin to give them creedence...
and that was Connery, too! His solo scenes (and that fight with Peter
Franks) are the only thing that gets me through that movie.
Lee Edward,
not feeling so clever today with this killer hangover,.but knowing
bloody well when he's pissed a professional murderer off... but still
feeling that certain 'poignant' revenge statements really did strech
credulity in this series. Revenge was used to make his killings seem
more palatable to the more puritanical viewers.
Phil7101
>Surely he's only killed to provide that need for revenge, though admittedly
>for Anya, not Bond.
Pay attention 007...Triple X IS Anya!
Vince
<yub...@eechopyubnub.com> writes:
>
>Could one make a case for the sacrificial lamb in TSWLM being ... Triple X?
>Surely he's only killed to provide that need for revenge, though admittedly
>for Anya, not Bond.
>
Anya WAS Triple X not the guy!
Vince
<jdwi...@midsouth.rr.com> writes:
>
>You saw her gray area?
>
I'm not even going to try to answer that one.
Hercule Platini
> In article <auukb0$d1m$1...@knossos.btinternet.com>, "Hercule Platini"
> <yub...@eechopyubnub.com> writes:
>
> >
> >Could one make a case for the sacrificial lamb in TSWLM being ... Triple
X?
> >Surely he's only killed to provide that need for revenge, though
admittedly
> >for Anya, not Bond.
> >
>
> Anya WAS Triple X not the guy!
Sorry about that - it's a while since I watched it (on the grounds of it
being my least favourite). The guy, then, whatever his name was. (Please
don't make me sit through the damn thing again....)
--
Richard Street
Vince
<yub...@eechopyubnub.com> writes:
>
>Sorry about that - it's a while since I watched it (on the grounds of it
>being my least favourite). The guy, then, whatever his name was. (Please
>don't make me sit through the damn thing again....)
>
To each their own Richard but most folks here like SPY although a remake of
YOLT, still a fun 007 film with Roger at his best at that time.
Hercule Platini
> In article <auvo2l$p9k$1...@sparta.btinternet.com>, "Hercule Platini"
> <yub...@eechopyubnub.com> writes:
>
> >
> >Sorry about that - it's a while since I watched it (on the grounds of it
> >being my least favourite). The guy, then, whatever his name was.
(Please
> >don't make me sit through the damn thing again....)
> >
>
> To each their own Richard but most folks here like SPY although a remake
of
> YOLT, still a fun 007 film with Roger at his best at that time.
Oh, I know TSWLM is indeed much liked; just not by me. Personally I think
Roger Moore's later ones were the better ones; I know AVTAK isn't highly
regarded but it's always been a favourite of mine. OP is also pretty damn
good as well.
--
Richard Street
Matt Sherman
Ah, but there were some lambs, my friends, (!) ...aboard the
helicopter airlifting MI-6 to Zao's lair in the pre-credits sequence.
Bond's air transport is destroyed by a villain demonstrating his big
fancy gun...remind you of any thing? ;)
--Matt Sherman, 007Forever.com
With their Bond 20, EON is "...More of a problem eliminator."
He's Never Been Cooler…The biggest Bond Movie EVER…
…When Danger Becomes a Temptation. When every move brings you closer
to the edge. When you live each day like its your last, there's a
surprise around every curve…
…Live for the moment and Die Another Day.
hoda...@dragonbbs.com
<yub...@eechopyubnub.com> wrote:
Anyway, back to another question in my post.
Did anyone notice if the target in the shooting range was Emma Peel?