Obama spent over $5 million to look "pretty" on stage in Nazi-like ceremony

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libcrus...@gmail.com

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Oct 25, 2008, 4:46:37 AM10/25/08
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It has been revealed Barack Hussein Oafbama spent $5.3 million for his
"Nuremberg" type Rally at Invesco Field. Over five million in Dem
donations to make himself look "pretty", thanks to his massive Hitler-
like ego. The other sad thing is there is no market for used, cheap
Nazi-type columns that surrounded Obama at the rally, so he won't be
able to recoup any of the money for charity -

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http://www.bizjournals.com/denver/stories/2008/10/13/daily43.html

The Democrats spent an additional $5.3 million on the Barackopolis at
Invesco Field.
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Other similarities Obama shares with his childhood idol, Adolf Hitler,
in his rise to power:

Both had their Hitler and Obama Jugend.

Both had little to no experience when gaining power.

Both came to power largely on their oratory skills and speeches.

Obama isn't black (he's got a white mother) and Hitler wasn't German
(he was born in Austria).

Both came to power after a stock market crash and unpopular war,
setting the stage for radical "change".

Both were labeled "the Messiah".

Both favored huge outdoor rallies at night.

Both favored "spreading the wealth".

Both were endorsed by the Kennedys.

Hitler didn't want to develop the nuclear bomb because he said it was
"Jewish Physics" and unproven.

Obama wants to cut defense and "cut unproven missile defense systems"
and "slow our development of future combat sytems".

The Nazis blamed the Jews for everything and said they were the rich
and controlled everything. Obama and Dems blame Bush and the Repubs
for everything and say they are the rich and control everything.

Goebbels made one-sided, anti-Jew propaganda films like "The Eternal
Jew" which depicted Jews in candid shots, with sinister music and a
haunting commentary.

Michael Moore and Spike Lee made one-sided, anti-Bush/Repub propaganda
films like "Fahrenheit 9/11" and about Katrina which depicted Bush/
Repubs in candid shots, with sinister music and a haunting commentary.

The Nazis controlled everything leaving no checks and balances.

The Libs are about to control everything - the House, Senate and White
House, leaving no checks and balances.

Without hard times and scapegoats, radical change like Obama and
Hitler could never happen.

History - look into it.

"Those who cannot remember the past, are condemned to repeat it" -
George Santayana

Busch Wacked

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Oct 25, 2008, 9:36:58 AM10/25/08
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libcrus...@gmail.com wrote:
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> History - look into it.
>
> "Those who cannot remember the past, are condemned to repeat it" -
> George Santayana
>

That is exactly why the Busch and McClinton clan is being kicked out.

John

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<libcrus...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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More idiocy from the stupid crazed right wing nutjobs.

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> John wrote:

> More idiocy from the stupid crazed right wing nutjobs.

John,

Imo, they were humored for almost 10 years and began to think they had
legitimacy going for them. The next couple of years will slap
the shit out of their loud, stupid, wannabe Hummer-driving, McMansion
living jerkoffs.

By 2011, all of this will probably have down regulated into a meek
phase of shamed obeisance. These people aren't leaders by nature.
They're pack-dog cowards, emboldened by each other's barking.

Truth. mvm

RS

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Oct 25, 2008, 5:37:38 PM10/25/08
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On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 01:46:37 -0700 (PDT), libcrus...@gmail.com
wrote:

>
>Other similarities Obama shares with his childhood idol, Adolf Hitler,
>in his rise to power:
>
>Both came to power after a stock market crash and unpopular war,
>setting the stage for radical "change".

So the moral of the story is: If you're Hitler, you gotta pray that
someone like George Bush gets elected to crash the economy and start a
crappy war. Thanks for your 'insight,' genius.

BaJoRi

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Oct 25, 2008, 7:22:53 PM10/25/08
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"RS" <R...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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I have to be honest: I read Obama's first book, and I can't remember him
praising Hitler. Now, it's always a possibility I missed that part, but I
would think someone saying that "Hitler is my idol" would be something that
I remember. "My father was a Kenyan goat-herder, and I love Hitler" would
just not tend to be someting I could gloss over.

marcus

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Oct 25, 2008, 9:54:17 PM10/25/08
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Can't get any more American than this:

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/cc65ed650d

Me

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Oct 26, 2008, 3:58:46 AM10/26/08
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On Oct 25, 4:46 am, libcrushersm...@gmail.com wrote:
> It has been revealed Barack Hussein Oafbama spent $5.3 million for his
> "Nuremberg" type Rally at Invesco Field. Over five million in Dem
> donations to make himself look "pretty", thanks to his massive Hitler-
> like ego. The other sad thing is there is no market for used, cheap
> Nazi-type columns that surrounded Obama at the rally, so he won't be
> able to recoup any of the money for charity -
>
> -------http://www.bizjournals.com/denver/stories/2008/10/13/daily43.html

You're right about what you say, but it's important to remember that
the anti-semitic, white hating, America hating, high taxing,
socialist, terrorist associating, inexperience, lying, community
organizing (think Al Sharpton of Chicago), affirmative action
recipient B. Hussien Obama identifies with the common man. He's just
one of us, isn't he?

Think Chairman Barak. Oh yeah, the sheeple who populate this NG would
love that. Thinking about anything beyond The Beatles or their next
wank is hard,

Sonnova

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Oct 26, 2008, 3:27:28 PM10/26/08
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On Sun, 26 Oct 2008 00:58:46 -0700, Me wrote
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<a1bd3675-0bdc-420e...@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>):

You can say that again.

McGarnagle

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Oct 27, 2008, 12:44:23 AM10/27/08
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On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 08:36:58 -0500, Busch Wacked <beenW...@yah.org>
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Agreed. This is the MTV generation and they know little about history.

McGarnagle

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Oct 27, 2008, 12:50:55 AM10/27/08
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You're already on record as saying Kerry would win in 2004, NY and
Washington would be nuked by 2008, China would invade Taiwan by 2009
and AGA Neocon chickenhawks would be haunted by Haditha forever.

Will you ever get one right, Muleass?

McGarnagle

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Oct 27, 2008, 12:54:18 AM10/27/08
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Nope, the moral of the story is: If you're a radical like Hitler, you
gotta pray that someone like libs will ruin anything they can and
backstab the President and country at every opportunity for personal
power.

"I blame Bush for everything" - thanks for your 'insight', lib.

John Gilmer

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Oct 27, 2008, 5:47:59 PM10/27/08
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"RS" <R...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 01:46:37 -0700 (PDT), libcrus...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>>
>>Other similarities Obama shares with his childhood idol, Adolf Hitler,
>>in his rise to power:
>>
>>Both came to power after a stock market crash and unpopular war,
>>setting the stage for radical "change".

The "umpopular war" in the case of Hitler would be WWI which ended some 14
years before Hitler took office.

And the war was "popular" with Hitler and many of his supporters who claimed
that the military was stabbed in the back by the left wing civilians.

Many conservatives feel the same way about the VN war which ended over 30
years ago.


marcus

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Oct 28, 2008, 8:53:17 AM10/28/08
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On Oct 27, 12:54 am, McGarnagle <McGarna...@notospam.com> wrote:
> "I blame Bush for everything" -

It all began with Reagan...the policies he began are responsible for
the current rot we find ourselves in.

KK

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Oct 28, 2008, 8:59:05 AM10/28/08
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Which policies in particular?

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Oct 28, 2008, 9:27:07 AM10/28/08
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> marcus wrote:
>
> It all began with Reagan...the policies he began are responsible for
> the current rot we find ourselves in.
>

True. GOP hard-core's idolize the old actor. He was a man for his times.

In their own times, Nixon and Kissinger went to China...Whoopee! When
Taiwan finally lights up and the U.S. Navy gets involved... expect stink:

*spark-online.com >> version 20.0, >> MARC V. MULAY
spark-online contents page. ... ESOCIETY, *SPARK-ONLINE VERSION 20.0.
the first casualty. by marc v. mulay. printer friendly version ...
http://www.spark-online.com/issue20/mulay.html

Regards,

Marc Mulay

>
>> >
http://tinyurl.com/32j32m >
>> >
>

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Oct 28, 2008, 9:36:30 AM10/28/08
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Specifically, tax breaks for the wealthy with the notion of trickle down
vs. greed / invest in your own family. Trickle down became the poster
child for:

Fuck the employee,

fuck the customer:


It's *all* about the *SHAREHOLDER* .

That's the USA's Market Fundamentalism that gave rise to the level of
deregulation that brought the tidal wave we see today (watch the layoffs
as this year ends...).

The media/4th estate was PacMan-consumed by McCorporate (ex/ GE /
Disney) and spoon feeding infotainment vs. news became the *norm*.

Perp walks, back dating stock options, mass layoffs, outsourcing,
"jobless recoveries", it all started _then_ .

The GOP droolers merely needed to be coddled w/ NRA coziness and
televangelist luv to get-along-go-along. Phuctards.

NOW look. It went too far. WAY fucking too far.

mvm

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Oct 28, 2008, 9:45:16 AM10/28/08
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http://www.nowfoundation.org/issues/communications/tv/mediacontrol.html

> Fuck the employee,
>
> fuck the customer:
>
>
> It's *all* about the *SHAREHOLDER* .

> NOW look. It went too far. WAY fucking too far.
>
> mvm

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Oct 28, 2008, 9:48:09 AM10/28/08
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>> Fuck the employee,
>>
>> fuck the customer:
>>
>>
>> It's *all* about the *SHAREHOLDER* .
>
>> NOW look. It went too far. WAY fucking too far.
>>
>> mvm

http://www.corporations.org/media/

KK

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Oct 28, 2008, 10:16:41 AM10/28/08
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On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 06:36:30 -0700, Avatar the Aviator wrote:

> KK wrote:
>> On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 05:53:17 -0700, marcus wrote:
>>
>>> On Oct 27, 12:54 am, McGarnagle <McGarna...@notospam.com> wrote:
>>>> "I blame Bush for everything" -
>>> It all began with Reagan...the policies he began are responsible for
>>> the current rot we find ourselves in.
>>
>> Which policies in particular?
>
> Specifically, tax breaks for the wealthy with the notion of trickle down
> vs. greed / invest in your own family.


That wasn't 'specific' at all. Tell us what brackets and rates changed.

And you really have a problem with the 'notion' of working hard and
'invest[ing] in your own family' rather than some collectivist baloney?


> Trickle down became the poster
> child for:
>
> Fuck the employee,

You're nuts. Allowing businesses to keep more of their money allowed
them to hire more people - hardly 'fucking the employee'.


> fuck the customer:

What do you think Eeagan's tax policy had to do with 'fuck the
customer'? I'd make fun of you but I can't imagine what you mean.


>
>
> It's *all* about the *SHAREHOLDER* .
>
> That's the USA's Market Fundamentalism that gave rise to the level of
> deregulation that brought the tidal wave we see today (watch the layoffs
> as this year ends...).


The current problems are rooted not in a market unshackled by
regulation. They're rooted in well-meaning government manipluation of
markets. They're rooted in bad regulation.


>
> The media/4th estate was PacMan-consumed by McCorporate (ex/ GE /
> Disney) and spoon feeding infotainment vs. news became the *norm*.
>
> Perp walks, back dating stock options, mass layoffs, outsourcing,
> "jobless recoveries", it all started _then_ .
>
> The GOP droolers merely needed to be coddled w/ NRA coziness and
> televangelist luv to get-along-go-along. Phuctards.
>
> NOW look. It went too far. WAY fucking too far.
>
> mvm

You're not very well-informed.

KK

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Oct 28, 2008, 10:20:36 AM10/28/08
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If you didn't already seem to be a kook, multiple replies to your own
posts would have clinched it.

Lord Valve

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Oct 28, 2008, 10:41:19 AM10/28/08
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libcrus...@gmail.com wrote:

> It has been revealed Barack Hussein Oafbama spent $5.3 million for his
> "Nuremberg" type Rally at Invesco Field. Over five million in Dem
> donations to make himself look "pretty", thanks to his massive Hitler-
> like ego. The other sad thing is there is no market for used, cheap
> Nazi-type columns that surrounded Obama at the rally, so he won't be
> able to recoup any of the money for charity -

I do indeed recall the remark I made to my wife in the opening moments of
his Denver appearance:

"My God - shades of Albert Speer!" Guess I'm
not the only one who noticed, eh? ;-)

Lord Valve
NoBama '08

BaaaaaarrrrrrrAAAAAACCCCCKKKKK!!! <Safety!!>

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Oct 28, 2008, 10:47:49 AM10/28/08
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1.]

Here are the specifics of what the ERTA, or Reagan Tax Cuts as they
are called entailed:

Economic Recovery Tax Act of 1981
- phased-in 23% cut in individual tax rats; top rate dropped from 70%
to 50%
- accelerated depreciation deductions; replaced depreciation system
with ACRS
- indexed individual income tax parameters (beginning in 1985)
- created 10% exclusion on income for two-earner married couples
($3,000 cap)
- phased-in increase in estate tax exemption from $175,625 to $600,000
in 1987
- reduced Windfall Profit taxes
- allowed all working taxpayers to establish IRAs
- expanded provisions for employee stock ownership plans (ESOPs)
- replaced $200 interest exclusion with 15% net interest exclusion
($900 cap) (begin in 1985)

Source is the following document on a US Govt. Treasury site:

http://www.ustreas.gov/ota/ota81.pdf

The tax bubble you describe, "under the 1990 budget agreement, a tax
bubble for joint filers earning between $78,400 and $185,000 was
eliminated, lowering taxes for this group from 33% to 31%," is noted
in this document from The National Center for Public Policy Research,
in the section titled "Talking Points on the Economy: Government
Spending #6":

http://www.nationalcenter.org/TPSpending1-8.html

"In the Reagan years the maximum tax bracket was reduced from 70 to 28
percent with a tax bubble, affecting only the middle class, jumping to
33 percent," as one source described it. The bubble effect does not
reflect an item written into the law, but rather an artifact created
by the entire tax structure. The important distinction to remember is
that tax rate can be marginal tax rate, or total tax rate.

As family income climbs, the effect of personal exemptions as a
percentage of income becomes smaller. Therefore when you calculate
the tax rate for a given income, you will find it climibing as the
exemptions "help" less and less.

Furthermore, as family income climbs, it reaches levels of higher
marginal tax rates, meaning that each ADDITIONAL dollar is taxed at a
higher rate than the dollars below it.

Those two factors together result in a family hitting a level of
marginal tax rates (a tax bracket)where each additional dollar they
earn is taxed at the higher rate but the exemptions are not helping.
This results in a zone where the effective tax rate is higher. The
rest is just math. As family income continues to rise, but the
marginal tax rate does not, the tax rate goes back to "normal" I hope
I have explained this in adequately. If not, just let me know and I'll
try a different tack.

Addtional sources useful for ERTA tax rates:

The Century Foundation tells us, "The most important changes to the
personal tax code since the World War II rate increases were made
during the Reagan administration in the 1980s. In 1981, the Economic
Recovery Tax Act (ERTA) reduced the top rate by almost 30 percent—from
70 to 50 percent—and all other rates by approximately 23 percent over
a three-year period." The citation is found on the fifth paragraph of
the following page:

http://www.tcf.org/Publications/Basics/Tax/History.html

The following chart on page four of the document below shows the
effect of the tax cuts. As you see, the average tax rate dropped
slightly while the top marginal rate plummeted.

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-soi/indincdi.pdf


2.] The growing over-emphasis upon the shareholder de-emphasized the
employee and the customer in terms of value. Loyalty between all
parties except CEO class and Wall Street, dissolved.

3. You're blaming mortgage company packaging and resale of bad loans to
Wall Street investment banks (CDO's / CMO's into SIV's)that were then
blessed by ratings agencies, Fitch, S&P and wound into extremely
complex portfolios -upon government manipulation?! Which Govt.?
Whacky. It's called the people who were supposed to be "governing"
via stewardship. The free market, unregulated ran amok. I presume you
either didn't see or didn't understand A. Greenspan's testimony
before a federal subcommittee? His mea culpa re; Investment Banking?


4.] _Me_ not very well informed? You may well be a HS-only educated Fox
/ Limbaugh parrot for all I know.

Twisting, misinterpreting, etc. goes nowhere there, "KK"

Regards,

mvm

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Oct 28, 2008, 10:50:41 AM10/28/08
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KK wrote:
> If you didn't already seem to be a kook, multiple replies to your own
> posts would have clinched it.

Nutters almost always view the intent, an addendum, a post-script / PS
as "repied to his own post". Thus you exhibit the open mind of a rock
and the creative capacity of a bag of hair on fire. Clinch that,
slappy. :-). mvm

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KK

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I note you don't have a reply to the actual response of substance that I
posted. "open mind" indeed.

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;-) & I note that you have chosen to troll-act as if it wasn't posted.
Therefore, try again:

1.]

Here are the specifics of what the ERTA, or Reagan Tax Cuts as they
are called entailed:

Economic Recovery Tax Act of 1981
- phased-in 23% cut in individual tax rats; top rate dropped from 70%
to 50%
- accelerated depreciation deductions; replaced depreciation system
with ACRS
- indexed individual income tax parameters (beginning in 1985)
- created 10% exclusion on income for two-earner married couples
($3,000 cap)
- phased-in increase in estate tax exemption from $175,625 to $600,000
in 1987
- reduced Windfall Profit taxes
- allowed all working taxpayers to establish IRAs
- expanded provisions for employee stock ownership plans (ESOPs)
- replaced $200 interest exclusion with 15% net interest exclusion
($900 cap) (begin in 1985)

Source is the following document on a US Govt. Treasury site:

http://www.ustreas.gov/ota/ota81.pdf

The tax bubble, "under the 1990 budget agreement, a tax

KK

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Do I have to hold your hand through your own argument?

I didn't ask you to cut and paste out of a book. I asked what specifics
of his tax policies led directly to "the current rot we find ourselves
in".


And also how you believe lowering taxes translates to "fuck the customer"
and "fuck the employee".


>
>
> 2.] The growing over-emphasis upon the shareholder de-emphasized the
> employee and the customer in terms of value. Loyalty between all
> parties except CEO class and Wall Street, dissolved.

Pleases support - and define - this "growing over-emphasis upon the
shareholder" claim.

>
> 3. You're blaming mortgage company packaging and resale of bad loans to
> Wall Street investment banks (CDO's / CMO's into SIV's)that were
> then blessed by ratings agencies, Fitch, S&P and wound into
> extremely complex portfolios -upon government manipulation?

Yes. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were unbelievably allowed to donate to
and lobby the politicians who directly regulated them. That, in
combination with those politicians' desire to provide mortgages to people
who were not able to afford them, led to this. It was not caused by
government confiscating less of our money.


>
> 4.] _Me_ not very well informed? You may well be a HS-only educated Fox
> / Limbaugh parrot for all I know.


For all *you* seem to know, the earth is flat, and Marx had it right.

AJ

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In article <J%FNk.4476$o57....@newsfe02.iad>, _K...@furburger.net
says...

There was a whole lot more to the Reagan tax cuts than just reducing the
rates. A very large number of deductions were eliminated. Before
itemizers could deduct ALL state and local sales taxes, utility taxes,
gas taxes, fees, dog licenses etc. I remember quite well spending hours
adding them all up from bags of receipts. You could also deduct all
interest paid on car loans, credit cards, etc., plus a whole laundry
list of medical, business, & miscellaneous stuff without the %AGR tests
used now. When all was said and done the number on the bottom line for
most people ended up about the same, as do all 'new' tax plans like the
so-called flat tax. The government needs X amount of money, so no matter
how they slice and dice the tax code, they're going to get it.

But one of the most significant Reagan-era changes of all, was they
changed the way they calculate inflation. That was the smoke and mirrors
that ended stagflation of the Carter years and is still used today. It
is heavily weighted towards manufactured goods people don't actually buy
that often, and the core rate excludes energy and food. A lot of COLA's,
interest rates, are tied to the rate. The mess we're in now is partly
due to low cost manufactured goods from China keeping the rate
artificially low. That's why the GW Bush tax cuts only allowed you to
supersize your fries for about 6 months before higher prices for
services and commodities more than ate them up.

Real inflation, when measured by what people actually spend has been
rising between 8-10% a year since GW took office. In the meantime the
Fed has been keeping interest rates artificially low while Treasury has
been content to let the dollar fall to about half its former value. The
stock market in real terms, even before the present downturn, has gone
nowhere.

Well guess what. Really wealthy people don't like to loose wealth. With
nowhere to put it to earn a decent return, unlike Joe the Plumber they
turn to exotic highly leveraged investments like hedge funds, junk
bonds, commodities and currency trading. Unlike us common folk, the
Investment Banks let them play with borrowed money - a.k.a. other
people's money. Talk about mortgages with 1% down, wealthy investors
were playing with less than that, that's why the Investment banks got
stuck holding the bag.

But this isn't new and the GOP especially should have known better. LBJ
also tried to fight 2 wars and keep his pet(Great Society) program going
without paying for them, and the result was the same. The GOP often
accuses the Dems of throwing money at problems in the form of programs.
The only difference is the GOP Supply Siders literally throw 'money' at
the problem and hope it goes away. ;-)

One other thing about Reagan. He was a blow-hard conservative, but he
had to deal with a Democratic Congress and together they DID get us out
of that mess. Clinton was a fairly moderate Democrat but had to work
with a conservative Republican Congress, and we all know the results.

AJ

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In article <d9mdndQme-_8iJrU...@giganews.com>,
Utroll&@I~winHUGE.org says...

>
> The GOP droolers merely needed to be coddled w/ NRA coziness and
> televangelist luv to get-along-go-along. Phuctards.
>
> NOW look. It went too far. WAY fucking too far.
>
> mvm
>

I wonder if the great blunder of the Bush administration for the future
of the GOP, will turn out to be giving the Right to Life people what
they wanted.

Dave Fritzinger

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On Oct 28, 2:58 pm, AJ <So...@nomail.com> wrote:
> In article <J%FNk.4476$o57.3...@newsfe02.iad>, _...@furburger.net

You aren't quite correct here. I believe the original Reagan tax cuts
were just rate cuts. Later, in 1986 I believe, there was a revamping
of the tax laws that was partly led by Sen. Bill Bradley. That is
where many of the deductions were taken away.
[snip]
--
Dave Fritzinger
Honolulu, HI

libcrus...@gmail.com

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On Oct 28, 3:42 pm, John Mayson <j...@mayson.us> wrote:
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> On Tue, 28 Oct 2008, P-Dub wrote:
> > My mom says that Obama is like Hitler. He's "too"
> > popular, kinda like a rock star, or a fascist
> > dictator.
>
> I was raised in one country but my father was born in another.  I was
> not his only child.  He fathered several children with a number of
> women.
>
> I became very close to my mother because my father showed little
> interest in me.  Then my mother died at an early age from cancer.
> Later in life, questions arose over my real name.  My birth records
> were sketchy and no one was able to produce a reliable birth
> certificate.
>
> I grow up practicing one faith, but converted to Christianity because
> this was widely accepted in my country.  But I practiced
> non-traditional beliefs and did not follow mainstream Christianity.
>
> I worked and lived among lower-class people as a young adult before I
> decided it was time to get serious about my life and I embarked on a
> new career.
>
> I wrote a book about my struggles growin g up.  It was clear to those
> who read my memoirs that I had difficulties accepting that my father
> abandoned me as a child.
>
> I became active in local politics when I was in my 30s and then burst
> onto the scene as a candidate for national office when I was in my
> 40s.  I had a virtually non-existent resume, very little work history,
> and no experience in leading a single organization.  Yet I was a
> powerful speaker who managed to draw incredibly large crowds during my
> public appearances.
>
> At first, my political campaign focused on my country's foreign
> policy.  I was critical of my country in the last war.  But what
> launched my rise to national prominence were my views on the country's
> economy.  I had a plan on how we could do better.  I knew which group
> was responsible for getting us into this mess.
>
> Mine was a peoples campaign.  I was the surprise candidate because I
> emerged from outside the traditional path of politics and was able to
> gain widespread popular support.   I offered the people the hope that
> together we could change our country and the world.
>
> I spoke on behalf of the downtrodden including persecuted minorities
> such as Jews, but my actual views were not widely known until after I
> became my nations leader.  However, anyone could have easily learned
> what I really believed if they had simply read my writings and
> examined those people I associated with.  But they did not.
>
> Then I became the most powerful man in the world.  And the world
> learned the truth.
>
> Who am I?   Scroll down for the answer.
>
> Adolf Hitler
>
> - --
> John Mayson <j...@mayson.us>
> Austin, Texas, USA


Great post.

Elvis Kabong

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"KK" <_K...@furburger.net> wrote in message
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What good is lower taxes if you are either unemployed or
homeless or disabled, food is poisoned, air is unbreathable,
the roads and infrasctructure is in disrepair, the cost of
living is sky-high, the American Dream became way too
over-priced and the middle class has been reduced to a
serfdom or when businesses have the attitude in
the cartoon at the below link?

http://picayune.uclick.com/comics/tr/2008/tr080816.gif
(Be sure to scroll down past the box that sez "This is
for pro-users only".

RichL

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Oct 28, 2008, 11:51:42 PM10/28/08
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> Great post.

And Hitler didn't write this, you absolute doofus.
By the way, I thought you had read Mein Kampf. Anyone who actually has
done so knows that Hitler's aims were well known years before he became
Chancellor of the Reich.

"But Rush said <sputter sputter....>"


Bip Bop

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On Oct 28, 9:41 am, Lord Valve <detri...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

> BaaaaaarrrrrrrAAAAAACCCCCKKKKK!!!  

> <Safety!!><

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyfdcXnaPbM

TPS

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Oct 29, 2008, 1:27:07 AM10/29/08
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On Oct 28, 8:51 pm, "RichL" <rpleav...@yahoo.com> wrote:

No way man! Obama is *exactly* like Hitler. I mean, Hitler used
powerful imagery, so does Obama. Hitler wrote a book, so did Obama.
Hitler often wore a suit, and so does Obama. Hitler had a mother, so
does Obama.
I mean, come on! How many more similarities does it take for you to
put it together?

Dale Houstman

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Oct 29, 2008, 1:59:45 AM10/29/08
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The current mess can most likely be tracked to Reagan, but truth be
told, the U.S. has gone through cycles of progressive and conservative
movements again and again in its history, or rather a cycle between
periods when the ideal was expressed as "we're all in this together" and
"rich people own us" - Teddy Roosevelt fought the "good fight" and FDR
did the same, and so on. Unfortunately the pendulum will swing back
again in a generation or two. But the relative good news is that the
swibng away from progressive motions almost never demolished the
advances entirely. Reagan did a good job on us, dismantling FDR's
capitalism saving programs, but now that these "conservative geniuses"
have helped smash the economy and much of democracy, we have an outside
chance of a sustaining progressive movement for the nonce. That all
depends on Obama's dedication not only to at least a minimal liberalism,
but also on his ability to "tell a compelling story" that effectively
erases the "conservative fairy tale" we've been force fed for so long
now. But if it's just a matter of giving a few more bucks to the "common
man" and polishing capital's image, we could be in for another
faux-liberalism/conservatism lite like the one Clinton so generously
gifted us with. Again, and as always, it depends on how engaged we are.

dmh

libcrus...@gmail.com

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Oct 29, 2008, 5:18:24 AM10/29/08
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On Oct 28, 8:51 pm, "RichL" <rpleav...@yahoo.com> wrote:

OMG

This guy can't read.

IT'S ABOUT HITLER'S LIFE! It's scripted like a Jeopardy question.

See the part where it says "scroll down for the answer"? (Only the
newsreader cutoff about 20 spaces)

The next words are "Adolf Hitler".

LMFAO

Another *golden* DickL moment.

Anyone not knowing would think the answer was going to be Obama, but
since you know nothing about him, it went right over your
intellectually-challenged head!


> By the way, I thought you had read Mein Kampf.  Anyone who actually has
> done so knows that Hitler's aims were well known years before he became
> Chancellor of the Reich.

Yeah, I've said that quite often. Even in a thread where I said Obama
did too and you said,"No way."

It even says in the above, "However, anyone could have easily learned
what I really believed if they had simply read my writings."

You grow dumber by the minute.


>
> But Mike Moore said

Dude, no one gives a fuck about Mike Moore except you and Blum. LOL

"It wasn't written by Hitler" - another DickL classic

libcrus...@gmail.com

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On Oct 28, 10:27 pm, TPS <the...@u.washington.edu> wrote:

>
> No way man!  Obama is *exactly* like Hitler.  I mean, Hitler used
> powerful imagery, so does Obama.  Hitler wrote a book, so did Obama.
> Hitler often wore a suit, and so does Obama.  Hitler had a mother, so
> does Obama.
> I mean, come on!  How many more similarities does it take for you to

> put it together?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Too bad you know very little of history and can't recognize what is
going on.

You probably think if there was no Iraq war (or no WW1), no Stock
Market crash (or no Great Depression) and everyone blaming everything
on Bush and the Repubs (or blaming the Jews), that a black man with
virtually no experience (or an unemployed, homeless, high school
dropout) would be labeled a "messiah" (like the dude in Germany) and
would be elected President in 2008 (or Chancellor of Germany in 1933)
mainly on his oratory skills (like the German guy).

I remember just a few years ago people saying a black man would never
be President in our lifetime.

"It's just another election. The unknown and inexperienced black guy
would have won anyway. I don't see any big deal" - TPS

"He said Hitler! That means he thinks Obama is a skinhead and going to
gas people. I get hysterical and can't think straight because someone
is questioning my messiah. No way he came out of nowhere like Hitler!"
- TPS and other emotional libs

libcrus...@gmail.com

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And don't forget my other great essay on Parallels In History (FDR as
viewed by libs who hate Bush):

---

I hear lots of libs claim FDR was the best President ever.

Why?


--


Pearl Harbor happened on FDR's watch.


FDR could have stopped it.


FDR lied, people died.


FDR made Nazi Germany the priority even though it was Japan that
attacked us.


FDR was a chickenhawk who never served in the military.


FDR was poor at diplomacy and angered our enemies with his calling for
an international "quarantine of the aggressor nations".


FDR racially profiled 120,000 Japanese and Japanese Americans and
threw them into internment camps (JITMOs) without regard to their
rights and the Constitution.


FDR aided the Soviet Union and is even seen in pictures smiling with
Stalin.


Over 400,000 innocent Americans died because of FDR.


FDR did nothing to stop the Holocaust and the deaths of 10 million
innocent people.


FDR was a complete failure and resembled a penguin.


--


Liberals are hypocrites and hate America.


Just say NO to libs.


Busch Wacked

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Oct 29, 2008, 8:54:57 AM10/29/08
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TPS wrote:

> No way man! Obama is *exactly* like Hitler. I mean, Hitler used
> powerful imagery, so does Obama. Hitler wrote a book, so did Obama.
> Hitler often wore a suit, and so does Obama. Hitler had a mother, so
> does Obama.
> I mean, come on! How many more similarities does it take for you to
> put it together?

I passed a women in the grocery store who had covered her head and
face with a veil .. obviously a Muslim terrorist. The dead give away
was she had small package of flower fertilizer in her cart, next
to the little jars of baby food. WE ALL
KNOW THAT FERTILIZER MIXED WITH GASOLINE IS A BOMB .

I gathered up other men from the store, and we stoned
her to death in the parking lot.

Hannity and Lush came to my defense, saying it was an American
thing to do .. Never associate with a Muslim .. who we
all know ... are terrorists.

RichL

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Oct 29, 2008, 9:31:27 AM10/29/08
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Right. Unemployed, homeless, high-school dropout = Harvard law degree.
Brilliant analysis, as usual.

p.s....The only people calling Obama "the messiah" are Rush and the rest
of the RWNJs.

Hope this helps...


RichL

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libcrus...@gmail.com wrote:

> And don't forget my other great essay on Parallels In History
> (FDR as viewed by libs who hate Bush):

"Essay"? You can't even write a coherent paragraph, let alone an essay.

> FDR was a chickenhawk who never served in the military.

As I recall, so are you.


RichL

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Oct 29, 2008, 9:36:23 AM10/29/08
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<whoosh>


GodHatesFez

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Oct 29, 2008, 10:13:10 AM10/29/08
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Today's game: Do the following statements describe Hitler or Obama?


He was born in a country different than the one in which he ran for office

Instead of providing substance, he used a media image to gain public support

He made a special effort to focus on the youth of his country

He was a powerful and compelling public speaker

He convinced his people to make judgments based on race

He preyed on the fear caused by a failing economy

He blamed a specific group for all of society's ills

He proposed that he was the only one who could *change* things

He promised that he would take from the rich and give to the poor to create
an egalitarian society

His followers had no idea what he really stood for but blindly followed him

Those who opposed him was harassed, verbally assaulted and even had their
property and persons attacked

Avatar the Aviator

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Oct 29, 2008, 10:23:13 AM10/29/08
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> Hay88r wrote:
>
> He was born in a country different than the one in which he ran for office
Panama?

>
> Instead of providing substance, he used a media image to gain public support
War Hero?

>
> He made a special effort to focus on the youth of his country
Define youth when you're a geezer.

>
> He was a powerful and compelling public speaker
Long ago and far away.

>
> He convinced his people to make judgments based on race
Which rally? Minneapolis/St. Paul?

>
> He preyed on the fear caused by a failing economy
TARP!

>
> He blamed a specific group for all of society's ills
"Libs"?

>
> He proposed that he was the only one who could *change* things
He's had a cute 'lil reindeer!

>
> He promised that he would take from the rich and give to the poor to create
> an egalitarian society
Rich in soul? Character?

>
> His followers had no idea what he really stood for but blindly followed him
Oh, that's just Southern manners!

>
> Those who opposed him was harassed, verbally assaulted and even had their
> property and persons attacked
"Age 18 and 20" did it!

KK

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Oct 29, 2008, 10:28:29 AM10/29/08
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On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 21:57:11 -0500, Elvis Kabong wrote:

> What good is lower taxes if you are either unemployed or homeless

Lower taxes on employers make it more affordable to hire more people.

> or
> disabled, food is poisoned, air is unbreathable


Taxes don't unpoison food or clean air.

>, the roads and


> infrasctructure is in disrepair, the cost of living is sky-high,

Increased taxes increase cost-of-living the same as a pay cut or a price
hike.


> the
> American Dream became way too over-priced and the middle class has been
> reduced to a serfdom or when businesses have the attitude in the cartoon
> at the below link?


If your economic reasoning is based on a cartoon, I'm not sure if we even
need to talk. But nobody would blame low sales on low salaries, so the
cartoon wasn't written by someone with real-world experience.

KK

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When did that happen?

DocDice

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Oct 29, 2008, 10:34:33 AM10/29/08
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On Oct 25, 3:46 am, libcrushersm...@gmail.com wrote:
> It has been revealed Barack Hussein Oafbama spent $5.3 million for his
> "Nuremberg" type Rally at Invesco Field. Over five million in Dem
> donations to make himself look "pretty", thanks to his massive Hitler-
> like ego. The other sad thing is there is no market for used, cheap
> Nazi-type columns that surrounded Obama at the rally, so he won't be
> able to recoup any of the money for charity -

So? What is your point???????
Obama is going to be elected to be the next president of the United
States.

I understand that you hold fast to the neo-con philosiphy that if you
have nothing of value to offer into a conversation, you still rely on
telling everyoone else how messed up they are and how whatever you do
not like is responsible for their misery. Forunately, the American
people has seen through the veil of lies fostered by you and your kind
and have chosen to listen to someone who truly has something to say.

Unfortunately, it is the neo-con mantra that states even if someone
you do not like gets elected by the popular vote, you will still do
everything in your power to ensure they fail at governing, therefore,
you must do everything possible to destroy the government of the
United States.....that makes you a traitor........I hope you meet the
traitors end soon.


Lord Valve

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Oct 29, 2008, 10:55:57 AM10/29/08
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libcrus...@gmail.com wrote:

> FDR racially profiled 120,000 Japanese and Japanese Americans and
> threw them into internment camps (JITMOs) without regard to their
> rights and the Constitution.

FDR also interned over 50,000 GERMANS - some of them third-generation
Americans.

Of course you never hear about this, because the Germans
never said shit about it, and didn't whine to the government
to get paid because they were unfairly incarcerated based on
on their ethnicity. And the main reason you never hear about
it is because it's an inconvenient fact that doesn't fit into the
"America is a racist nation" shit the libs wallow in 24/7/365.

Lord Valve
American

Lord Valve

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Oct 29, 2008, 11:08:59 AM10/29/08
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DocDice wrote:

> Unfortunately, it is the neo-con mantra that states even if someone
> you do not like gets elected by the popular vote, you will still do

> everything in your power to ensure they fail at governing...

Well, gosh, um..."Doc"...

You mean like questioning election results, screaming
bloody murder for eight solid years about conspiracies
involving Haliburton, Diebold, Skull and Bones, shadow
governments, hidden concentration camps, black
helicopters...holy shit, how long would you like this
list to continue...making movies about how to assassinate
the president of the United States, hanging chads, you
fucking NAME it, son...and now you point the finger at
Neocons and make a bloody fucking lame accusation
like that? If it's true, they had great teachers, didn't they?

You fucking putz.

Lord Valve
American


Stephen Cowell

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"KK" <_K...@furburger.net> wrote in message
news:hq_Nk.15898$o57....@newsfe02.iad...

> On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 21:57:11 -0500, Elvis Kabong wrote:

...

>>, the roads and
>> infrasctructure is in disrepair, the cost of living is sky-high,
>
> Increased taxes increase cost-of-living the same as a pay cut or a price
> hike.

You let us know when Microsoft starts taking
care of the roads in front of your house.
__
Steve
.


Snit

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Oct 29, 2008, 11:19:21 AM10/29/08
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"Stephen Cowell" <sco...@sbcglobal.net> stated in post
w0%Nk.3537$Ei5...@flpi143.ffdc.sbc.com on 10/29/08 8:11 AM:

Not to mention, a lack of increase in minimum wage as prices go up is *also*
the same as a price cut. Yeah, yeah, I know - big businesses hire people
out of the kindness of their hearts, not based on business needs, and if you
make the minimum wage keep pace with inflation they will no longer have any
reason to hire people. Heck, if they actually had to pay people they would
not be able to pay the CEO's several hundred times more than the general
worker.

--
Picture of a tuna soda: http://snipurl.com/f351
Feel free to ask for the recipe.

KK

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First of all, since Microsoft pays several orders of magnitude more taxes
than you do, they *do* help take care of those roads.

And nowhere did I suggest that nobody pay any taxes - so your comment is
either ignorant or intentionally misleading.

KK

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Oct 29, 2008, 11:32:19 AM10/29/08
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On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 08:19:21 -0700, Snit wrote:

> "Stephen Cowell" <sco...@sbcglobal.net> stated in post
> w0%Nk.3537$Ei5...@flpi143.ffdc.sbc.com on 10/29/08 8:11 AM:
>
>
>> "KK" <_K...@furburger.net> wrote in message
>> news:hq_Nk.15898$o57....@newsfe02.iad...
>>> On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 21:57:11 -0500, Elvis Kabong wrote:
>>
>> ...
>>
>>
>>>> , the roads and
>>>> infrasctructure is in disrepair, the cost of living is sky-high,
>>>
>>> Increased taxes increase cost-of-living the same as a pay cut or a
>>> price hike.
>>
>> You let us know when Microsoft starts taking care of the roads in front
>> of your house.
>
> Not to mention, a lack of increase in minimum wage as prices go up is
> *also* the same as a price cut.

I think you meant pay cut.

But, given inflation, *any* lack of pay hike is a pay cut. The minimum
wage isn't special in that regard.

To say that there should be a hike in the minimum wage is to say that
there is no job worth less than $6.55 per hour. Whether you believe that
to be true or not, the fact is that raising the minimum wage will result
in a loss of jobs, most of them near the bottom of the pay scale.


> Yeah, yeah, I know - big businesses
> hire people out of the kindness of their hearts, not based on business
> needs,

That's stupid. They hire people based on business needs.


> and if you make the minimum wage keep pace with inflation they
> will no longer have any reason to hire people.

If a task isn't worth $6.55 + the associated taxes and expenses, they
won't hire someone to do it.

> Heck, if they actually
> had to pay people they would not be able to pay the CEO's several
> hundred times more than the general worker.


Corporations are not in existence to provide jobs; nor are they in
existence to overpay CEOs. Both are wrong and should be opposed by
stockholders, and if execs fraudulently use company resources for
personal use they should be prosecuted.

RichL

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Lord Valve <detr...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

> Of course you never hear about this, because the Germans
> never said shit about it, and didn't whine to the government
> to get paid because they were unfairly incarcerated based on
> on their ethnicity. And the main reason you never hear about
> it is because it's an inconvenient fact that doesn't fit into the
> "America is a racist nation" shit the libs wallow in 24/7/365.

Poor Willy. Now he somehow thinks that reminding us about what FDR (a
white guy) did 65 years ago to German-Americans (a bunch of other white
guys) has something to do with whether or not America is a racist
nation.

Six days and counting. Enjoy it while you can!

-p.s.....America as a whole is not a racist nation; the election of
Obama will prove that. You're about as obsessed with racism as JP is
over gay sex.


RichL

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Oct 29, 2008, 11:43:14 AM10/29/08
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GodHatesFez <Drone&Fag...@wackfag.com> wrote:
> Today's game: race baiting

Not playing. Take it elsewhere.


Snit

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"KK" <_K...@furburger.net> stated in post 7m%Nk.20297$UD6....@newsfe07.iad
on 10/29/08 8:32 AM:

> On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 08:19:21 -0700, Snit wrote:
>
>> "Stephen Cowell" <sco...@sbcglobal.net> stated in post
>> w0%Nk.3537$Ei5...@flpi143.ffdc.sbc.com on 10/29/08 8:11 AM:
>>
>>
>>> "KK" <_K...@furburger.net> wrote in message
>>> news:hq_Nk.15898$o57....@newsfe02.iad...
>>>> On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 21:57:11 -0500, Elvis Kabong wrote:
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
>>>
>>>>> , the roads and
>>>>> infrasctructure is in disrepair, the cost of living is sky-high,
>>>>
>>>> Increased taxes increase cost-of-living the same as a pay cut or a
>>>> price hike.
>>>
>>> You let us know when Microsoft starts taking care of the roads in front
>>> of your house.
>>
>> Not to mention, a lack of increase in minimum wage as prices go up is
>> *also* the same as a price cut.
>
> I think you meant pay cut.

Yes, I did. Thank you.

> But, given inflation, *any* lack of pay hike is a pay cut. The minimum
> wage isn't special in that regard.

Sure... though when the minimum wage is increased it tends to lead to an
increase in pay at levels at least somewhat above the minimum wage.

> To say that there should be a hike in the minimum wage is to say that
> there is no job worth less than $6.55 per hour. Whether you believe that
> to be true or not, the fact is that raising the minimum wage will result
> in a loss of jobs, most of them near the bottom of the pay scale.

There are generally exceptions and, of course, the minimum wage used to be
much higher, in corrected dollars. People still hired the low wage workers.
I am not saying there would be no examples of this, but I simply do not
believe that - in general - companies are hiring simply to create jobs and
not because of business needs. Yes, I get that there is a balance and that
if you demand they pay burger-flippers (or whoever) the same wage as the CEO
that this is unworkable... but if you compare CEO pay, low-wage pay, and
inflation things are pretty heavily out of whack.

>> Yeah, yeah, I know - big businesses hire people out of the kindness of their
>> hearts, not based on business needs,
>>
> That's stupid. They hire people based on business needs.

I was being sarcastic... that is my point. The claim that businesses will
toss a large number of their workers on the street if they have to pay them
a reasonable wage is just silly... these people are hired because there is a
business need.

>> and if you make the minimum wage keep pace with inflation they
>> will no longer have any reason to hire people.
>
> If a task isn't worth $6.55 + the associated taxes and expenses, they
> won't hire someone to do it.

If you do not have the low wage workers you, often, do not have a business.
As you said: there is a business *need* they are filling.



>> Heck, if they actually had to pay people they would not be able to pay the
>> CEO's several hundred times more than the general worker.
>>
> Corporations are not in existence to provide jobs; nor are they in existence
> to overpay CEOs. Both are wrong and should be opposed by stockholders, and if
> execs fraudulently use company resources for personal use they should be
> prosecuted.

One of the things businesses do is keep the economy going. One of their
roles in society *is* to provide jobs, which is not to say that they should
do so beyond their own needs... heck, if you can run a multimillion dollar
business with no employees then by all means do so.

The idea, though, that a multimillion or multibillion dollar company and Mr.
AvergeJoe enter into agreements as equals is, well, a bit silly. Clearly
one has far, far more power in the relationship than does the other. Decent
and reasonable unions can be a big part of the balance for this, but this
does not apply to all sectors and in some cases efforts to build a closer
level of equity are actually illegal.

--
I know how a jam jar feels...
... full of jam!

Snit

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"KK" <_K...@furburger.net> stated in post Wg%Nk.20295$UD6....@newsfe07.iad
on 10/29/08 8:26 AM:

Ah, so you are for taxes, even though they are the same as a pay cut. OK.


--
But if you are somebody who is not too concerned about price, who is not too
concerned about freedom, I don't think we can say the Linux desktop offers
the very best experience.
- Mark Shuttleworth (founded Canonical Ltd. / Ubuntu Linux)

KK

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On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 09:49:57 -0700, Snit wrote:

> The idea, though, that a multimillion or multibillion dollar company and
> Mr. AvergeJoe enter into agreements as equals is, well, a bit silly.
> Clearly one has far, far more power in the relationship than does the
> other.

No kidding. Until someone is educated and experienced enough to be
valuable to someone else, they ... won't be. That's the way it *should*
work, because it provide a *huge* incentive to improve one's prospects,
something which is still pretty easy to do in this country.

KK

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On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 10:04:18 -0700, Snit wrote:


>>
>> First of all, since Microsoft pays several orders of magnitude more
>> taxes than you do, they *do* help take care of those roads.
>>
>> And nowhere did I suggest that nobody pay any taxes - so your comment
>> is either ignorant or intentionally misleading.
>
> Ah, so you are for taxes, even though they are the same as a pay cut.
> OK.

Taxes aren't the same as a pay cut. *Raising* taxes is the same as a pay
cut.

I am not for raising taxes.

Snit

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