Stuttering John's Status
diane.v.wilkerson
>In article <1992Jan30.2...@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> d...@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (diane.v.wilkerson) writes:
>>"Mund"? I thought the band was "Josie Sang"? Anyway, I believe WWOR (Channel
>>9) pays John. At WXRK (the radio station), John is still "King of the
>>Interns", and the General Manager/VP dosen't want to pay him. Howard, Robin,
>>and the others give John money from time to time.
>
> This is really ludicrous. You must all be aware that New York City
> is one of the most heavily unionized telecommunications locales in
> the country (probably the world). More so even than Los Angeles.
> In fact, they must even get an AFTRA card if the appear regularly.
<AFTRA rules deleted>
>
> Of course, the hype of the Stern show is that "his gang" are just like
> the kind of guys that hang out at the local public access cable
> stations. But I would be highly doubtful that it was so.
>
> Jon Rosen
I stand by my statement. John Melendez is considered an "intern" at WXRK,
since he started there while in college. "Interns" do not get paid, as far as
I remember. Mike Gange (sp?) does not get paid, he is also an intern. John
Melendez *is* an employee on the staff of WWOR-TV's "Howard Stern Show", and
gets paid by them. Now, if this has changed, I don't remember Howard
mentioning that Infinity Broadcasting has also started to pay John, whenever
he refers to John "getting paid" he's talking about from WWOR and *not* from
WXRK. Perhaps we should call/fax Howard and get the real story.
What are the phone/fax numbers (from NJ)?
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George Robbins
> In article <27...@cbmvax.commodore.com>, g...@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins) writes:
> |> In article <33...@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU> p...@reef.cis.ufl.edu (Philip Duvalsaint) writes:
> |> >
> |> > Mund? What ever happened to Pig Vomit (The band that did all the song Parodies)
> |> > I thought that John's band was Pig Vomit. Did they break up, rename themselves
> |> > or did Howard have something to do with that?
> |>
> |> No, John's previous band was "Josie Sang" and he was never associated with
> |> Pig Vomit, which is Howard's pet band.
> |>
> |> Rumor has it that none of John's bands are that good, so maybe either he's
> |> jumping around looking for a spot, or breaking up and forming new bands
> |> when nobody will book the old one...
> |>
> One day when one of Howard's visiting musicians was in (Joe Walsh?), they
> made John play one of his songs and it was pretty good.
>
> Mund can't be too bad, since they receive continual bookings around NYC
> and just recently played as far away as the Stone Balloon in Wilmington,
> Delaware. The Stone Balloon usually maintains a good reputation for acts.
Well, the Balloon is in Newark, DE - their traditional fare is Philly/DC/Balt/
South Jersey bar bands, though they do book some occasional national caberet acts.
Hell, if I new about John being there, I might have wandered down there for the
fun of it, but it wasn't mentioned on WYSP outside the show.
The Stone Balloon has also had more than a few ho-hum to rank bands, it ain't what
it once was, between the 21 year drinking age and other hassles. Doesn't prove
much...
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Timothy M. Schreyer
|> In article <33...@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU> p...@reef.cis.ufl.edu (Philip Duvalsaint) writes:
|> >
|> > Mund? What ever happened to Pig Vomit (The band that did all the song Parodies)
|> > I thought that John's band was Pig Vomit. Did they break up, rename themselves
|> > or did Howard have something to do with that?
|>
|> No, John's previous band was "Josie Sang" and he was never associated with
|> Pig Vomit, which is Howard's pet band.
|>
|> Rumor has it that none of John's bands are that good, so maybe either he's
|> jumping around looking for a spot, or breaking up and forming new bands
|> when nobody will book the old one...
|>
One day when one of Howard's visiting musicians was in (Joe Walsh?), they
made John play one of his songs and it was pretty good.
Mund can't be too bad, since they receive continual bookings around NYC
and just recently played as far away as the Stone Balloon in Wilmington,
Delaware. The Stone Balloon usually maintains a good reputation for acts.
TIM
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> and just recently played as far away as the Stone Balloon in Wilmington,
> Delaware. The Stone Balloon usually maintains a good reputation for acts.
I personally believe that the only reason that John gets these
bookings is that the plugs from the Howard Stern show are worth
thousands in free advertising.
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Ken Staggers
>In article <1992Jan30....@casbah.acns.nwu.edu> stag...@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (Ken Staggers) writes:
>>In article <1992Jan29.2...@cbnewsh.cb.att.com> d...@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (Dave) writes:
>>>From this morning's show, I think John gets paid. Howard was
>>>doing a commercial for the NY Health and Racquet Club, and was
>>>saying that he knows that John has enough money to pay for
>>>membership, leading me to believe that Howard pays him a salary,
>>>and not a very low one.
>>
>>Everyone who is on the tv show, by union contracts, has to be paid. You get
>>more for speaking also. So, we know John gets at least some money.
>
>New Jersey labor laws are different: interns do not have to be paid.
>But Stutterin' John ain't an intern on the TV show and, therefore, is
>paid. He is an intern on the radio ("The King of the Interns") and is
>not paid by Infinity.
What I am "quoting" is what Letterman said when he had one of his staff
members on the show. I think he did this twice, once for a staff member
who was leaving and once for a pregnant staff member. Anyway, he would
let them come out and do something. If they spoke a line they got more
money. I thought that SAG and AFTRA rules nationwide say that if you are
invited on a tv show (and not just caught by camera in a public area or
studio) to do something, you had to be paid a minimum of $300+ for your
appearance. Then if you speak, you get paid $xx until a maximum of $yyy.
Interns can work behind a show and not get paid, but if you appeared on
camera to work, you had to get paid, and if it became a regular thing, you
had to get a union card (which is, I think, $500).
I thought SAG and AFTRA rules were very specific about tv appearances.
I have never heard of an intern tv actor/performer before.
Just my 2 cents.
--Ken
Jon Rosen
>> This is really ludicrous. You must all be aware that New York City
>> is one of the most heavily unionized telecommunications locales in
>> the country (probably the world). More so even than Los Angeles.
>> or radio program without being an AFTRA member and getting paid AFTRA
>> scale at least. Even guests on programs must be compensated under
>> AFTRA rules if they are AFTRA members. If not, they can come on a
>> show once in a certain period of time (60 days or 3 months or something
>> like that), but if they appear more than that, they must be compensated.
>> In fact, they must even get an AFTRA card if the appear regularly.
>
You are excused. Actually I know quite a bit, since my brother was an
agent in New York for 10 years, and my sister-in-law is about to open
as the lead in Most Happy Fella on Broadway and has done radio and
television for the last 12 years in New York. She holds active membership
in Equity, SAG (Screen Actors Guild) and AFTRA (American Federation of
Television and Radio Artists).
>Not much, apparently. I know for a fact that the represented members
>of Infinity Broadcasting (this includes their newly aquired station
>WFAN) are represented by the National Association of Broadcast Employees
>and Technician (NABET). NABET represents (what they term) as ancillary
>personnel. This includes engineers, librarians, secretaries,
>technicians, etc. NABET does *NOT* represent management or on air
>personnel who have personally negotiated their own contracts. If they
>negotiate their own contract, they are personally represented. The
>clauses allowing this is written into all contracts.
You are correct that NABET represents ancillary and technical personnel.
AFTRA, on the other hand, represents all on-the-aid personnel, WHETHER
OR NOT they have negotiated their own contracts. Like SAG and Equity,
AFTRA sets minimums but allows its members to negotiate for better
deals (unlike NABET and IATSE which set specific rates for their technical
and other non-talent personnel).
In a union television or radio station, AFTRA represents ALL on-the-air
talent, even though they may also be represented by an agent or manager
as well. Things like health benefits, retirement funds, etc., are all
governed by the AFTRA contract and contributed directly to by the station.
>
>It is all based on the contract between the union and the company and
>the will of the employees. AFTRA has little affect in New York. They
*BS*. AFTRA governs every network television program and almost all
the major independent television and radio programs and stations in
New York. Obviously, YOU know much less about broadcasting in New York
than you suggest you do. There are exceptions to the above rule, and
there are some New York non-union stations. It is certainly possible
that Infinity Broadcasting is non-union but if, as you say above, they
are NABET for technical personnel, I would highly doubt that they are
not AFTRA for on-air personnel.
>only do so if the employees elect them as their representative. That is
>the law. NABET and IATSE (International Association of Television and
>Stage Employees--I think; they are the primary union at CBS and cover
>the scene builders at NBC; ABC/Cap Cities is non-union) do the vast
>majority of the representation in New York.
The labor laws are relevent only with regard to how the unions can gain
representation rights. However, once they do (and AFTRA does quite
extensively in New York), the terms of employees on the air are governed
solely by the AFTRA union contract. You continue to be correct about
technical folks who are represented by NABET and IATSE. You are dead
wrong about on-air talent and AFTRA. NBC, ABC and CBS networks and almost
every other station in the New York area is under AFTRA contract for all
on-air talent. For instance, anyone who appears on David Letterman is
AFTRA or on exception (a one-time appearance). If they come back within
a certain time period (I believe one-year is the time), they MUST get an
AFTRA card. The girl on David Letterman that he sometimes talks to
on the phone at the book publishers (Doubleday?) across the street from
the studio has an AFTRA card because of the number of times he has her
on the show. If she was only talked to, this would not apply, but they
shoot her face through the window which makes her on-air talent.
BTW, Johnny Carson always makes a big thing about how he pays everybody
who comes on the Tonight show the same fee governed by AFTRA minimums,
no matter how important the guest is.
>Now for Stuttering John. He is classified as an intern. An intern is
>someone who is supposed to be learning the business on the job. All
>union contracts allow for interns. They are unpaid and usually there
>for a semester or two. As long as they are classified as interns and
>unpaid there are a set of laws to protect them set by the state, not the
>union and are NOT covered under union guidelines. However, the number
>of interns and the jobs they can do are usually covered under union
>contracts (they have to preserve their own jobs) and NY State law
>prevents the hiring of new interns during labor disputes (existing
>interns can continue to work in those cases if they desire).
You are correct about interns and their rights. AFTRA as well provides
for interns. However, there are limits on how long an intern can be
classified as such. If he/she becomes an actual on-air talent, his
or her intern status would be overridden by the AFTRA contract which
would require him/her to get an AFTRA card and be paid for being on
the air. I assume that Stuttering John has been with Howard for much
more than the typical one or two semesters in school that are permitted
for interns. More importantly, if he is paid for the television show
he is surely an AFTRA member. Once a member, you can not longer do
other work as a non-member with a station that is under union contract.
A good example is that most actors and actresses in New York who have
AFTRA or SAG or Equity cards must work under assumed names if they
take non-union work anywhere near New York. If the union finds out
that they are working non-union, their card can be taken away and they
will find themselves unable to get ANY kind of talent-oriented job.
Also, special arrangements have to be made with so-called "Equity-Waiver"
theatres that permit actors to work in small off-off-Broadway theatres
for no pay if they don't want to lose their Equity card. My sister-in-law
has done numerous theatre workshops and Waiver productions under these
terms and she is quite familiar with the requirements (such as the length
of the run of the show, what monies have to be contributed to the Equity/SAG/
Aftra retirement fund, etc, even if they actors are not paid directly).
>> Of course, the hype of the Stern show is that "his gang" are just like
>> the kind of guys that hang out at the local public access cable
>> stations. But I would be highly doubtful that it was so.
>
>John gets on the air, has done personal appearances, has gotten free
>publicity for his band, etc. He also has a job with WWOR-TV for the
>Howard Stern Show. He is doing more than hanging out, he is
>capitalizing on it. If he can do it, more power to him!
I have no problem with what John does or doesn't do. I only entered
this thread to bring some sense of reality to the discussion. Everyone
thinks that Howard is some kind of cult figure who gets to do whatever
he wants. Most of his stuff is gimmickry (quite funny gimmickry, I might
add, I am a fan of both the radio show and TV show myself) designed to
push people's buttons in strange and unpredictable ways. He is quite
a talent, as is most of his cast. But lets not let the illusion get
in the way of the facts that everyone on his show is a member of the
"cast" and in New York, that means they are, in all likelihood, taking
home quite reasonable paychecks for their efforts. And so they should.
PS - in another post, someone said that this was discussed on the air
this morning and Howard "said" that John doesn't get paid. Does anyone
ACTUALLY BELIEVE EVERYTHING HOWARD SAYS ON THE AIR??? :-) Jeesh!
Jon Rosen
Brian Downing
>In article <1992Feb4.1...@asd.com> sc...@asd.com (Scott Barman) writes:
>>In article <1992Jan31.20...@locus.com> j...@locus.com (Jon Rosen) writes:
>>> This is really ludicrous. You must all be aware that New York City
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>>'Scuse me? How much do you know about New York area broadcasting?
>You are excused. Actually I know quite a bit, since my brother was an
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>Television and Radio Artists).
HEY! I'm a stern fan. Do you think you guys could take this shit to
alt.boring or alt.useless.information? Enough already, asked and anwered.
Stuttering John gets paid somehow, someway. Who gives a shit about the
union rules and the intricate differences between them? Not I! Howard
may not pay him himself but he tries to help John get as much as possible
can through these other sources. Who'd let a fool like that get away?
Brian Downing VAX User Assistant, Fordham University, New York, New York
Internet: bdow...@mary.fordham.edu Bitnet: bdow...@fordmulc.bitnet
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George Robbins
> In article <1992Feb06.01...@locus.com>, j...@locus.com (Jon Rosen) writes...
> >In article <1992Feb4.1...@asd.com> sc...@asd.com (Scott Barman) writes:
> >>In article <1992Jan31.20...@locus.com> j...@locus.com (Jon Rosen) writes:
>
> >>> This is really ludicrous. You must all be aware that New York City
> [...STUFF DELETED...]
> >>'Scuse me? How much do you know about New York area broadcasting?
>
> >You are excused. Actually I know quite a bit, since my brother was an
> [...STUFF DELETED...]
> >Television and Radio Artists).
>
> HEY! I'm a stern fan. Do you think you guys could take this shit to
> alt.boring or alt.useless.information? Enough already, asked and anwered.
You got a bug up your ass or what? What your "n" key if you aren't
interested, otherwise don't be telling other people what to talk about
as long as it *does* happen to be relevant to understanding how the
show actually works and separating fact from pretense.
Andrew Germaine
>In article <6FEB1992...@mary.fordham.edu> bdow...@mary.fordham.edu (Brian Downing) writes:
>> In article <1992Feb06.01...@locus.com>, j...@locus.com (Jon Rosen) writes...
>> >In article <1992Feb4.1...@asd.com> sc...@asd.com (Scott Barman) writes:
>> >>In article <1992Jan31.20...@locus.com> j...@locus.com (Jon Rosen) writes:
>> [...STUFF DELETED...]
>
>You got a bug up your ass or what? What your "n" key if you aren't
>interested, otherwise don't be telling other people what to talk about
>as long as it *does* happen to be relevant to understanding how the
>show actually works and separating fact from pretense.
I write that he wrote that he wrote that he wrote that I wrote that she wrote..
Children children, is this neccessary?
We're here to laugh and discuss Howard, not argue with each other.
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Philip Duvalsaint
>> >>> This is really ludicrous. You must all be aware that New York City
>> [...STUFF DELETED...]
>> >>'Scuse me? How much do you know about New York area broadcasting?
>> >You are excused. Actually I know quite a bit, since my brother was an
>> [...STUFF DELETED...]
>> >Television and Radio Artists).
>> HEY! I'm a stern fan. Do you think you guys could take this shit to
>> alt.boring or alt.useless.information? Enough already, asked and anwered.
>
>You got a bug up your ass or what? What your "n" key if you aren't
>interested, otherwise don't be telling other people what to talk about
>as long as it *does* happen to be relevant to understanding how the
>show actually works and separating fact from pretense.
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In that case, would you mind explaining to me how the voices come out of my
radio? C'mon, it's a legitimate beef. I thought the purpose of this group
was to discuss Howard, not how you know a lot about NY area broadcasting.
Your original post was informative, the last one was uncalled for.
Who cares?
Phil Duvalsaint
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George Robbins
> Who cares?
Me?
Look I was just being an jerk, responding in kind (squared) to what I considered
to be a less than graciously worded suggestion that the discussion had wandered
off topic. I think it was acutally kind of a mild response compared to "shit",
"boring" and "useless".
Not everyone is so narrowly focused - I am as interested in Stern the social
phenomena and process as the day-to-day twitterings on the show. I care whether
John is just an un-paid intern, or is just posing while collecting $$$ as a
member of the club. We got two confilicting assertions of the way-things-work
based on slightly different premises. The last message despite the ego-flation
did lay out the "credentials" for that particular view.
If you want it to be a good and interesting group, *CONTRIBUTE*, don't just
bitch about what you think is appropriate for others to contribute.
John S Lundberg
disrupted the 1/27 Gennifer Flowers news conference. Does anyone know
anything more about this? What questions did he ask?
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Dave
>This evening on CNN's Larry King show I heard that Stuttering John
>disrupted the 1/27 Gennifer Flowers news conference. Does anyone know
>anything more about this? What questions did he ask?
"Did Governor Clinton wear a condom?"
-laughter from all the 'real' reporters
"It's a social issue!"
-more laughter, a couple other real questions
"D-D-D-Do you plan to sleep with any other presidential candidates?"
It was pretty funny. All the other reporters were cracking up, and
Flowers' lawyer was trying to keep it serious.
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The Sunset Kid
>disrupted the 1/27 Gennifer Flowers news conference. Does anyone know
>anything more about this? What questions did he ask?
>--
replayed the tape of the Flowers news conference several times. I'm sure
John won't be getting press credentials to too many OTHER of these little
get-togethers from here on out.
At first, John was called on to ask a question by Flowers' lawyer (who was
running the show), he asked: "Did Governor Clinton use a condom?" This was
greeted by a riot of laughs from the press corps. The lawyer warned that if
anymore degrading questions were asked he would end the conference. John
replied, "It's a social issue!"
They never called on John again... but he did manage to yell out the question
"Gennifer, do plan to sleep with any OTHER presidential candidates?" This
was ignored by her but drew more laughs from the crowd. Finally, at the
end of the conference, the lawyer said "We'll take one more question, but
not from the gentleman over there" (referring of course to John). He yelled
in anyway: "Was there ever a threesome?" I haven't heard anything about it
on the news but I hear it was mentioned a lot in coverages of the press
conference.
Howard's response to the criticism was that the press conference was a joke
anyway. "Why should anyone take this woman seriously? The only thing she
did was spread her legs for a guy!"
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Damn !!! My radio reception went south on the wauy in this morning
just as they were getting ready to play the interview. Somebody
must've heard it.
Gennifer Flowers. What a lady. Humping for 12 yrs, now she's talking.
Are we sure she isn't from LA ???? She sure fits into the mold......
Anyway, what a sperm-burping gutter-slut. (Although I'm sure Clinton
was deep at some point, what a bonehead). "I'm sick of the lying,
the deceit" (And I also need some hard cash). I bet the only nightclub
she sings in are the ones with the rail ON TOP of the bar counter.
Bob Ski..................
andwhenyouroldthendeadforcancertheywillrememberufondlyasadiscodancer
Nicholas J. Simicich
They talked about it on the show this morning. Questions they
mentioned were, "Did he use a condom?" and "Do you plan on having sex
with any more presidential candidates?" Supposedly, this made USA
Today as well.
Jeremy A Moskowitz
He has a NY Police Press Pass which infinity and channel 9 got him, so, he's quite ocovered.
Howard was quite correct, IMHO, when he said that if someone holds a press conference, they better be prepared for QUESTIONS, hard or easy to be asked.
She is no-more than a cheep money-golddigging slut who can't decide
between falsehood and truth. Unbelievable.
Long live stern.
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Robin, Boy Gary, and the cleaning lady, but who the hell is Stuttering John?
I guess I don't listen enough.
Timothy M. Schreyer
Stuttering John does celebrity interviews for Howard. Howard gets immense
pleasure from picking on John and his stutter, and the celebrity responses
to heavily stuttered and generally very rude questions. John also has
a band called Mund which you hear pitched at the end of every show. I
think this promotion is the extent of John's paycheck.
Some of John's interviews are Hilarious.
Dave
> a band called Mund which you hear pitched at the end of every show. I
> think this promotion is the extent of John's paycheck.
From this morning's show, I think John gets paid. Howard was
doing a commercial for the NY Health and Racquet Club, and was
saying that he knows that John has enough money to pay for
membership, leading me to believe that Howard pays him a salary,
and not a very low one.
james.mumper
>> a band called Mund which you hear pitched at the end of every show. I
>> think this promotion is the extent of John's paycheck.
>
>From this morning's show, I think John gets paid. Howard was
>doing a commercial for the NY Health and Racquet Club, and was
>saying that he knows that John has enough money to pay for
>membership, leading me to believe that Howard pays him a salary,
>and not a very low one.
>--
gets money that way. Or is that Gange? I think it's John - anybody know
4 sure?
diane.v.wilkerson
"Mund"? I thought the band was "Josie Sang"? Anyway, I believe WWOR (Channel
9) pays John. At WXRK (the radio station), John is still "King of the
Interns", and the General Manager/VP dosen't want to pay him. Howard, Robin,
and the others give John money from time to time.
Ken Staggers
>doing a commercial for the NY Health and Racquet Club, and was
>saying that he knows that John has enough money to pay for
>membership, leading me to believe that Howard pays him a salary,
>and not a very low one.
Everyone who is on the tv show, by union contracts, has to be paid. You get
more for speaking also. So, we know John gets at least some money.
--Ken
Jon Rosen
This is really ludicrous. You must all be aware that New York City
is one of the most heavily unionized telecommunications locales in
the country (probably the world). More so even than Los Angeles.
Under AFTRA rules, one can not appear regularly on any television
or radio program without being an AFTRA member and getting paid AFTRA
scale at least. Even guests on programs must be compensated under
AFTRA rules if they are AFTRA members. If not, they can come on a
show once in a certain period of time (60 days or 3 months or something
like that), but if they appear more than that, they must be compensated.
In fact, they must even get an AFTRA card if the appear regularly.
Of course, the hype of the Stern show is that "his gang" are just like
the kind of guys that hang out at the local public access cable
stations. But I would be highly doubtful that it was so.
Jon Rosen
George Robbins
> John will always be able to get into ANY press related conference.
> He has a NY Police Press Pass which infinity and channel 9 got him,
> so, he's quite ocovered.
For the moment, however there may be grounds for revoking the pass if
he is a commedian and not a working reporter.
> Howard was quite correct, IMHO, when he said that if someone holds a press
> conference, they better be prepared for QUESTIONS, hard or easy to be asked.
Yes, but does not neccessarily extend to allowing one person to disrupt a
news conference by yelling out questions intended only for shock value,
not information.
> She is no-more than a cheep money-golddigging slut who can't decide
> between falsehood and truth. Unbelievable.
Of little relevance.
Kevin Klinge
|> > John will always be able to get into ANY press related conference.
|> > He has a NY Police Press Pass which infinity and channel 9 got him,
|> > so, he's quite ocovered.
|>
|> For the moment, however there may be grounds for revoking the pass if
|> he is a commedian and not a working reporter.
John reports for the Howard Stern show. In that part of his job, he is a
reporter. Just because his questions could be interpreted in that of a
commedian does not give grounds for "revoking the pass" if he is there
obtaining information to be reported on the show.
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|> > Howard was quite correct, IMHO, when he said that if someone holds a press
|> > conference, they better be prepared for QUESTIONS, hard or easy to be asked.
|>
|> Yes, but does not neccessarily extend to allowing one person to disrupt a
|> news conference by yelling out questions intended only for shock value,
|> not information.
Like no other reporters "yell out questions" at a news conference?! Most
conferences I've seen have little organization and people usually have to
outshout their colleagues to have their voice heard. Just because some
people don't approve of John's content doesn't give them any right to censor
it. Who are they to judge? By the way, I personally think John's questions
at this specific press conference exposed it for what it really was : a joke.
If you disagree, then can you explain how ALL the other reporters are laughing
at John's questions because they're as ridiculous as them being there covering
this?
I'd rather listen to John's "shock questions" than someone's paid
testimony from a cheap rag anyday.
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George Robbins
> In article <27...@cbmvax.commodore.com>, g...@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins) writes:
> |> In article <19...@chopin.udel.edu> jer...@chopin.udel.edu (Jeremy A Moskowitz) writes:
> |> > John will always be able to get into ANY press related conference.
> |> > He has a NY Police Press Pass which infinity and channel 9 got him,
> |> > so, he's quite ocovered.
> |>
> |> For the moment, however there may be grounds for revoking the pass if
> |> he is a commedian and not a working reporter.
>
> John reports for the Howard Stern show. In that part of his job, he is a
> reporter. Just because his questions could be interpreted in that of a
> commedian does not give grounds for "revoking the pass" if he is there
> obtaining information to be reported on the show.
Really, you think he "reports"? The only thing I've ever heard him do
is celebrity "interviews", which is only arguably reporting. In either
case, he doesn't interview for information, rather only for reaction.
If you think this is the function of a reporter and reason to be issued
a press pass, great for you. I think he's only Stern's asshole by proxy,
which is fine if Howard wants to minimize the facial damage and lawsuits
he'd collect if he asked all the questions himself...
> Like no other reporters "yell out questions" at a news conference?! Most
> conferences I've seen have little organization and people usually have to
> outshout their colleagues to have their voice heard. Just because some
> people don't approve of John's content doesn't give them any right to censor
> it. Who are they to judge? By the way, I personally think John's questions
> at this specific press conference exposed it for what it really was : a joke.
> If you disagree, then can you explain how ALL the other reporters are laughing
> at John's questions because they're as ridiculous as them being there covering
> this?
Was there ever a threesome?
> I'd rather listen to John's "shock questions" than someone's paid
> testimony from a cheap rag anyday.
That's your privelige. It's too bad the news conference was a joke instead
of letting the girl hang herself trying to answer some intelligent questions.
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Philip Duvalsaint
> to heavily stuttered and generally very rude questions. John also has
> a band called Mund which you hear pitched at the end of every show. I
^^^^
> think this promotion is the extent of John's paycheck.
Mund? What ever happened to Pig Vomit (The band that did all the song Parodies)
I thought that John's band was Pig Vomit. Did they break up, rename themselves
or did Howard have something to do with that?
Phil Duvalsaint
(I wish I was in Jersey)
George Robbins
No, John's previous band was "Josie Sang" and he was never associated with
Pig Vomit, which is Howard's pet band.
Rumor has it that none of John's bands are that good, so maybe either he's
jumping around looking for a spot, or breaking up and forming new bands
when nobody will book the old one...
Scott Barman
New Jersey labor laws are different: interns do not have to be paid.
But Stutterin' John ain't an intern on the TV show and, therefore, is
paid. He is an intern on the radio ("The King of the Interns") and is
not paid by Infinity.
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(I can barely speak for myself, you expect me to speak for my employer??)
Scott Barman
> is one of the most heavily unionized telecommunications locales in
> the country (probably the world). More so even than Los Angeles.
> Under AFTRA rules, one can not appear regularly on any television
> or radio program without being an AFTRA member and getting paid AFTRA
> scale at least. Even guests on programs must be compensated under
> AFTRA rules if they are AFTRA members. If not, they can come on a
> show once in a certain period of time (60 days or 3 months or something
> like that), but if they appear more than that, they must be compensated.
> In fact, they must even get an AFTRA card if the appear regularly.
'Scuse me? How much do you know about New York area broadcasting?
Not much, apparently. I know for a fact that the represented members
of Infinity Broadcasting (this includes their newly aquired station
WFAN) are represented by the National Association of Broadcast Employees
and Technician (NABET). NABET represents (what they term) as ancillary
personnel. This includes engineers, librarians, secretaries,
technicians, etc. NABET does *NOT* represent management or on air
personnel who have personally negotiated their own contracts. If they
negotiate their own contract, they are personally represented. The
clauses allowing this is written into all contracts.
It is all based on the contract between the union and the company and
the will of the employees. AFTRA has little affect in New York. They
only do so if the employees elect them as their representative. That is
the law. NABET and IATSE (International Association of Television and
Stage Employees--I think; they are the primary union at CBS and cover
the scene builders at NBC; ABC/Cap Cities is non-union) do the vast
majority of the representation in New York.
Now for Stuttering John. He is classified as an intern. An intern is
someone who is supposed to be learning the business on the job. All
union contracts allow for interns. They are unpaid and usually there
for a semester or two. As long as they are classified as interns and
unpaid there are a set of laws to protect them set by the state, not the
union and are NOT covered under union guidelines. However, the number
of interns and the jobs they can do are usually covered under union
contracts (they have to preserve their own jobs) and NY State law
prevents the hiring of new interns during labor disputes (existing
interns can continue to work in those cases if they desire).
> Of course, the hype of the Stern show is that "his gang" are just like
> the kind of guys that hang out at the local public access cable
> stations. But I would be highly doubtful that it was so.
John gets on the air, has done personal appearances, has gotten free
publicity for his band, etc. He also has a job with WWOR-TV for the
Howard Stern Show. He is doing more than hanging out, he is
capitalizing on it. If he can do it, more power to him!
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