No Republicans, Doublethink is not Rush Limbaugh thinking
when he doesn't have half his brain tied behind his back.
Republican leadership, Limbaugh and Cheney, are counting on the
fact that their Doublethinking (see Orwell) dittoheads don't
notice that now they are arguing that government is actually
working so well that any competition from it will bankrupt
private HMOs.
By the late 1970s memories of successful government programs
from the 1930s to 1950s were fading, so Reagan's apocryphal and
made-up stories of the Cadillac-driving welfare mother were able
to gain traction. But if health care reform passes and works,
people will realize that the "government doesn't work" line is
BS. Since it's Conservatism before America, they are hysterical.
========== Doublethink - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Doublethink is a word described in the fictional language of
Newspeak and the act of simultaneously accepting as correct two
mutually contradictory beliefs. It is related to, but distinct
from, hypocrisy and neutrality.
Doublethink is an integral concept of George Orwell's dystopian
novel Nineteen Eighty-Four.
According to the novel, doublethink is:
�The power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind
simultaneously, and accepting both of them....To tell deliberate
lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that
has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary
again, to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is
needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the
while to take account of the reality which one denies � all this
is indispensably necessary.
"Even in using the word "doublethink," it is necessary to
exercise doublethink."
"For by using the word one admits that one is tampering with
reality; by a fresh act of doublethink one erases this knowledge;
and so on indefinitely, with the lie always one leap ahead of the
truth.[1]...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doublethink -
Sound familiar!? (laughing!)
========== COMMON EXAMPLES OF Republican doublethink:
Like: "We support the troops, send more off to die!"
Like: "We hate the elite limosine wine-sippers, cut their taxes!"
Like: "We hate Big Government, give them more guns and powers!"
Like: "We believe in inalienable Rights! Legalize torture!"
The list is endless.
What's YOUR favorite?
- What's the difference between Socialism & Fascism?
- Socialism: The government/people own the corporations.
- Fascism: The corporations own the government/people.
Whose side are YOU on?
> government is actually working so well that any competition from it will
> bankrupt private HMOs.
Are you really this stupid?
If government confiscates or borrows enough money to provide something to
people more cheaply than it actually costs, of *course* it will put
legitimate providers of that service or good out of business.
If the government increased taxes enough to buy a used Yugo for everyone,
do you think that would help or hurt legitimate auto-selling companies?
That doesn't mean it's "working well", and it *really* doesn't mean it's
a workable financial model.
Fuck, you're dumb.
And your solution is? Oh. You don't have one. I thought so. Fuck,
you're dumber.
Only if Congress cleaned up its act and actually outlawed lobbying.
Don't hold your breath, there...
On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 19:41:50 GMT, KK said about:
Re: REPUBLICANS! -- MASTERS of Doublethink !!
> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 19:23:40 +0000, Doug Bashford wrote:
>
> > government is actually working so well that any competition from it will
> > bankrupt private HMOs.
>
> Are you really this stupid?
Have you guys REALLY swalled? AGAIN!?
Man you Repubs are gullible!
When will you ever learn? The answer my
friend is blowin in the wind...
> If government confiscates or borrows enough money to provide something to
> people more cheaply than it actually costs, of *course* it will put
> legitimate providers of that service or good out of business.
Sure. If. - BIG IF. - But it aint.
Why do you guys prefer Rush Limbaugh and
Fox "Wrong-again" News to the CBO?
If you head-in-sand at them, there isn't much point
in ME talking, is there?
>
> If the government increased taxes enough to buy a used Yugo for everyone,
> do you think that would help or hurt legitimate auto-selling companies?
You won't pay a nickle more in taxes.
Why do you guys prefer RW fear-talk radio and
Fox "Wrong-again" News to the CBO?
If you ignore at them, there isn't much point
in ME talking, is there?
> That doesn't mean it's "working well", and it *really* doesn't mean it's
> a workable financial model.
Why is it when HMOs do it, 30% of every dollar
sticks to their fingers, but when Medicare
does it, 3% of every dollar sticks to their fingers?
And more important, why doen't that fact bother you?
Ius prim� (primae) noctis perhaps??
Here's a logical fallacy you may be using:
*-Argumentum ad crumenam money or rich or wealthy is good
*-~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
*-The fallacy of believing that money is a criterion of
correctness;
*-that those with more money are more likely to be right.
> Fuck, you're dumb.
Fuck, yer a dittohead parrot.
USA Today/Gallup poll - RUSH LIMBAUGH is REPUBLICAN'S LEADER!
Who speaks for the Republican party?
LIMBAUGH...In every catigory: Both Republicans, Dems agree.
Dick Cheney is number two.
That's right, Limbaugh & Cheney.
...Your leaders. Are you proud of that?
Obviously, or you wouldn't be Republican't.
Socialism is the government owning the corporations who rob the people
while paying them to be poor.
Fascism is the government and corporations forcing the people to work for
free. And your still poor if youre still alive.
> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 19:41:50 GMT, KK said about:
> Re: REPUBLICANS! -- MASTERS of Doublethink !!
>
>
>> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 19:23:40 +0000, Doug Bashford wrote:
>>
>> > government is actually working so well that any competition from it
>> > will bankrupt private HMOs.
>>
>> Are you really this stupid?
>
> Have you guys REALLY swalled? AGAIN!? Man you Repubs are gullible!
"swalled"? I won't tell you again that I'm not a "Repub". Instead, I'll
just start calling you a kid toucher - how's that?
> When will you ever learn? The answer my friend is blowin in the wind...
>
>> If government confiscates or borrows enough money to provide something
>> to people more cheaply than it actually costs, of *course* it will put
>> legitimate providers of that service or good out of business.
>
> Sure. If. - BIG IF. - But it aint.
It aint? How are we going to get healthcare more cheaply than it costs
to provide it then, Merlin? Someone has to take it from someone. And
even the most ridiculous estimates aimed at the most gullible morons put
the cost for this at a twelve-figure annual number.
> Why do you guys prefer Rush Limbaugh and Fox "Wrong-again" News to the
> CBO?
I don't. But CBO calls it $1.015T over 10 years. And they were 1000%
off on Medicare, so you take the bets on the actual costs of this one.
Well, if every other country can cover everyone for half of what the
U.S. is spending and the U.S. can't even cover everyone at that rate,
then what are the other countries doing right that the U.S. is not?
Why don't you do a little research on the net if you truly want to
learn anything instead of posting stupid comments and questions borne
out of sheer ignorance - and that ignorance of yours is screaming way
too loud. Fuck, you're dumb.
> > Why do you guys prefer Rush Limbaugh and Fox "Wrong-again" News to the
> > CBO?
>
> I don't. But CBO calls it $1.015T over 10 years. And they were 1000%
> off on Medicare, so you take the bets on the actual costs of this one.
And where do you get the 1000% figure? Let's see iof you know what
you're talking about. Otherwise, fuck, you're dumb.
> > Have you guys REALLY swallowed? AGAIN!? Man you Repubs are gullible!
> > When will you ever learn? The answer my friend is blowin in the wind...
> >> If government confiscates or borrows enough money to provide something
> >> to people more cheaply than it actually costs, of *course* it will put
> >> legitimate providers of that service or good out of business.
> >
> > Sure. If. - BIG IF. - But it aint.
>
>
> It aint? How are we going to get healthcare more cheaply than it costs
> to provide it then, Merlin?
They ain't, gullible man. Just because YOU GUYS
got lied into war, doesn't mean WE are stupid.
But without straw men (lies), you have no argument do you?
You seemingly that "health care providers," ie,
the insurance industry provides health care!?
Try reality:
we are going to get healthcare more cheaply than
that the sickness profiteers do. That's all.
That's easy, since their buraucrats are so inneficient
and greedy (actually redundant terms).
> Someone has to take it from someone. And
> even the most ridiculous estimates aimed at the most gullible morons put
> the cost for this at a twelve-figure annual number.
And what does CBO say, Einstein?
Or are you afraid to look?
> > Why do you guys prefer Rush Limbaugh and Fox "Wrong-again" News to the
> > CBO?
>
> I don't. But CBO calls it $1.015T over 10 years. And they were 1000%
> off on Medicare, so you take the bets on the actual costs of this one.
The Democratic bill, cuts the deficit $104 billion
over ten years.
=============
Kansas City Star:
CBO: GOP health care alternative cuts deficit by $68
billion; number of uninsured grows
The Congressional Budget Office has analyzed the Republican
alternative health care reform bill -- and concludes the measure
would cut the deficit but actually grow the number of uninsured
Americans.
The full analysis is attached below.
CBO says the GOP provisions would cut the deficit by $68
billion over ten years, less than the Democratic bill, which cuts
the deficit $104 billion over the same time frame.
The CBO also says the Republican plan would leave 52 million
people uninsured in 2019, more than the 46 million uninsured
today (the percentage of Americans without insurance, about 17
percent, would remain basically unchanged, CBO says.)
CBO earlier said the Democrats' bill would leave about 18
million uninsured.
===========
Medscape - Robert Lowes - 1 hour ago
AMA Supports Latest House Reform Bill But Links It to Medicare
Payment Bill
November 5, 2009 � The American Medical Association (AMA)
supports a massive healthcare reform bill in the US House of
Representatives that may come to a vote this Saturday, but the
voting can't stop there, AMA President J. James Rohack, MD, said
today.
To enact meaningful reform, Dr. Rohack warned that the House also
must pass a separate bill on Medicare reimbursement that would
avert a 21.2% pay cut for physicians scheduled to take effect
January 1. Otherwise, Medicare patients may not be able to find a
physician willing to treat them.
"These are separate bills that must be passed together," said Dr.
Rohack.
The AMA and much of the rest of organized medicine has supported
Democratic-style healthcare reform legislation in large part
because they expected it to rewrite the controversial sustainable
growth rate (SGR) formula for setting Medicare rates.
> On Nov 5, 5:00=A0pm, KK wrote:
> > On Thu, 05 Nov 2009, Doug Bashford wrote:
> > > On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 19:41:50 GMT, KK said about:
> > > =A0Re: REPUBLICANS! -- MASTERS of Doublethink !!
> > >> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009, Doug Bashford wrote:
> >
> > >> > government is actually working so well that any competition from it
> > >> > will bankrupt private HMOs.
> >
> > >> Are you really this stupid?
> >
> > > Have you guys REALLY swalled? =A0AGAIN!? Man you Repubs are gullible!
> >
> > "swalled"? =A0I won't tell you again that I'm not a "Repub". =A0Instead, =
> I'll
> > just start calling you a kid toucher - how's that?
> >
> > > When will you ever learn? The answer my friend is blowin in the wind...
> >
> > >> If government confiscates or borrows enough money to provide something
> > >> to people more cheaply than it actually costs, of *course* it will put
> > >> legitimate providers of that service or good out of business.
> >
> > > Sure. If. - BIG IF. - But it aint.
> >
> > It aint? =A0How are we going to get healthcare more cheaply than it costs
> > to provide it then, Merlin? =A0Someone has to take it from someone. =A0An=
> d
> > even the most ridiculous estimates aimed at the most gullible morons put
> > the cost for this at a twelve-figure annual number.
>
> Well, if every other country can cover everyone for half of what the
> U.S. is spending and the U.S. can't even cover everyone at that rate,
> then what are the other countries doing right that the U.S. is not?
Good question. Sometimes presenting the Big Picture
is better than dwelling in the weeds.
But fact is, KK worships his talk show heros,
so logical thinking may be beyond him.
They have faith, baby!
> Why don't you do a little research on the net if you truly want to
> learn anything instead of posting stupid comments and questions borne
> out of sheer ignorance - and that ignorance of yours is screaming way
> too loud. Fuck, you're dumb.
>
> > > Why do you guys prefer Rush Limbaugh and Fox "Wrong-again" News to the
> > > CBO?
> >
> > I don't. =A0But CBO calls it $1.015T over 10 years. =A0And they were 1000=
> %
> > off on Medicare, so you take the bets on the actual costs of this one.
>
> And where do you get the 1000% figure? Let's see iof you know what
> you're talking about. Otherwise, fuck, you're dumb.
>
> It aint? How are we going to get healthcare more cheaply than it costs
> to provide it then, Merlin? Someone has to take it from someone. And
> even the most ridiculous estimates aimed at the most gullible morons put
> the cost for this at a twelve-figure annual number.
Well, if every other country can cover everyone for half of what the
U.S. is spending and the U.S. can't even cover everyone at that rate,
then what are the other countries doing right that the U.S. is not?
++++++
That's easy. Other countries don't have open borders and free medical care
for non-tax paying illegals to the extent we do.
T.B.
Never been to the EU, have you?
Well, I suppose you have a point, considering countries like the UK are
letting immigrating Muslims breed like rabbits to the point they'll be a
overwhelming majority within a decade and stretch the capabilities of those
wonderful government health care programs into extinction. I guess in that
respect, the US is just behind Europe.
T.B.
> "5272 Dead, 405 since 1/20/09" sez:
>
> >> "wy" wondered:
> >>
> >>> It aint? How are we going to get healthcare more cheaply than it costs
> >>> to provide it then, Merlin? Someone has to take it from someone. And
> >>> even the most ridiculous estimates aimed at the most gullible morons
> >>> put the cost for this at a twelve-figure annual number.
> >>
> >> Well, if every other country can cover everyone for half of what the
> >> U.S. is spending and the U.S. can't even cover everyone at that rate,
> >> then what are the other countries doing right that the U.S. is not?
> >>
> >> ++++++
> >>
> >> That's easy. Other countries don't have open borders and free medical
> >> care for non-tax paying illegals to the extent we do.
> >>
> >> T.B.
> >
> > Never been to the EU, have you?
>
> Well, I suppose you have a point,
It wasn't needed, it was perfectly obvious.
But here in "open borders" USA I need a
passport for Mexico. Cuba? HA!
Yeah, Americans are real free, ok.
...If Americans can stay out of jail.
But since you admit your point was invalid, what's
your next excuse for pretending you are interested
in the facts and arguments? ...for pretending
that reality has an effect on your opinions?
> considering countries like the UK are
> letting immigrating Muslims breed like rabbits to the point they'll be a
> overwhelming majority within a decade and stretch the capabilities of those
> wonderful government health care programs into extinction. I guess in that
> respect, the US is just behind Europe. > T.B.
The US is behind Europe in every respect, except
the possesion of material things and weapons.
Huge plasma screens, the best electronic dope in
the world, made in China, sold to eager Americans.
We live like slaves in gilded cages.
I'm pretty sure you want nothing more out of life.
You have been well trained.
Now ask your rich boy hero for a salary cut
again like a good boy. He'll kindly pat your head
when you shake your fist at all the evil doers
stealing what you deserve, before he leaves for
the bank.
Man, have you got things figured out, all right.
- Political Economics:
- Socialism: The government/people own the corporations.
- Fascism: The corporations/government own the people.
- Republicans: think the very rich are the backbone of America.
- Democrats: think the middle class are the backbone of America.
- Republicans: think Americans deserve 27th in health care.
- Democrats: think Americans deserve better.
- Republicans: think health care is mostly about defending profits.
- Democrats: think health care is mostly about defending health.
- Republicans: must lie to get people to do right.
- Democrats: must be honest to get people to do right.
- Republicans: fear government but not corporations.
- Democrats: fear both.
> Well, I suppose you have a point, considering countries like the UK are
> letting immigrating Muslims breed like rabbits to the point they'll be a
> overwhelming majority within a decade and stretch the capabilities of those
> wonderful government health care programs into extinction.
They don't pay taxes? Explain!
Better yet, don't. I know what the explanation will be...
> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009, KK said:
>> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009, Doug Bashford wrote:
>> > On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 19:41:50 GMT, KK said about:
>> > Re: REPUBLICANS! -- MASTERS of Doublethink !!
>> >> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 19:23:40 +0000, Doug Bashford wrote:
>
>
>> > Have you guys REALLY swallowed? AGAIN!? Man you Repubs are gullible!
>> > When will you ever learn? The answer my friend is blowin in the
>> > wind...
>
>> >> If government confiscates or borrows enough money to provide
>> >> something to people more cheaply than it actually costs, of *course*
>> >> it will put legitimate providers of that service or good out of
>> >> business.
>> >
>> > Sure. If. - BIG IF. - But it aint.
>>
>>
>> It aint? How are we going to get healthcare more cheaply than it costs
>> to provide it then, Merlin?
>
> They ain't, gullible man. Just because YOU GUYS got lied into war,
Asshole: I've repeated here more than enough times that I'm not a
GOPer. I've been against our incursion into Iraq (both of them) since
before they happened. So learn to read, or don't fucking talk to me.
> doesn't mean WE are stupid. But without straw men (lies), you have no
> argument do you?
>
> You seemingly that "health care providers," ie, the insurance industry
> provides health care!?
It *allocates* care and provides protection against catastrophic costs by
spreading them out over time and over many people.
>
> Try reality:
> we are going to get healthcare more cheaply than that the sickness
> profiteers do.
No, "you're" not. Even as more and more doctors are rejecting the cut-
rate reimbursement Medicare provides, you think that somewhow a more
universal and drastic version of that won't discourage doctors from
entering the field. You're going to decrease supply, which *never* makes
things cheaper.
> That's all. That's easy, since their buraucrats are so
> inneficient and greedy (actually redundant terms).
Chose to ignore the reports about insurance company margins, I see.
>
>
>> Someone has to take it from someone. And
>> even the most ridiculous estimates aimed at the most gullible morons
>> put the cost for this at a twelve-figure annual number.
>
> And what does CBO say, Einstein?
> Or are you afraid to look?
Says it will cost $1.015T over ten years. That's twelve digits of cost
per year.
> . But fact is, KK worships his talk show heros,
Does every fucking assertion you make depend on this lie? What an empty
bag of meaninglessness you are.
> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 00:06:25 +0000, Doug Bashford wrote:
> > On Thu, 05 Nov 2009, KK said:
> >> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009, Doug Bashford wrote:
> >> > On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 19:41:50 GMT, KK said:
.....snip
Bashford:
> > Try reality:
> > we are going to get healthcare more cheaply than
> > the sickness profiteers do.
>
> No, "you're" not. Even as more and more doctors are rejecting the cut-
> rate reimbursement Medicare provides, you think that somewhow a more
> universal and drastic version of that won't discourage doctors from
> entering the field.
So you are saying reform would make it
worse for doctors!?
...and worse for consumers!?
> You're going to decrease supply,
No I'm not, only your paranoid delusions
are doing that. (Since you claim you are not
parroting Fox "wrong again" News & Co, dulusion
is all that's left. (Have you seen "SickO?"))
> which *never* makes things cheaper.
So if reform would make it worse for doctors
...and worse for consumers, then why
did the AMA and AARP approve it today?
All you ever do is make some stuff up.
You are a compulsive liar. And a bad liar
to boot. No wonder you have no friends.
Have you considered professional help?
> > That's all. That's easy, since their buraucrats are so
> > inneficient and greedy (actually redundant terms).
>
> Chose to ignore the reports about insurance company margins, I see.
Could you be a little more vague?
- Political Economics:
- Socialism: The government/people own the corporations.
> in alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, On Fri, KK said about:
> Re: REPUBLICANS! -- MASTERS of Doublethink !!
>
>> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 00:06:25 +0000, Doug Bashford wrote:
>> > On Thu, 05 Nov 2009, KK said:
>> >> On Thu, 05 Nov 2009, Doug Bashford wrote:
>> >> > On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 19:41:50 GMT, KK said:
>
> .....snip
>
>
> Bashford:
>> > Try reality:
>> > we are going to get healthcare more cheaply than the sickness
>> > profiteers do.
>>
>> No, "you're" not. Even as more and more doctors are rejecting the cut-
>> rate reimbursement Medicare provides, you think that somewhow a more
>> universal and drastic version of that won't discourage doctors from
>> entering the field.
>
> So you are saying reform would make it worse for doctors!?
Absolutely. Their fees will be capped.
> ...and worse for consumers!?
Absolutely. Inefficient rationing plus decrease in supply.
>
>> You're going to decrease supply,
>
> No I'm not, only your paranoid delusions are doing that. (Since you
> claim you are not parroting Fox "wrong again" News & Co, dulusion is all
> that's left. (Have you seen "SickO?"))
Econ 101, dummy. Actually, high-school economics. No, grade-school
common sense: if a job pays less, fewer people will pursue it.
Fewer doctors, decreased supply. QED.
>
>> which *never* makes things cheaper.
>
> So if reform would make it worse for doctors ...and worse for consumers,
> then why
> did the AMA and AARP approve it today?
Arm-twisting. Whether the AARP's management approved it or not, its
membership's support of it is not at all clear. And you can find plenty
of doctors who want no part of this, either, and the AMA's political
office doesn't speak for all of them.
>
> All you ever do is make some stuff up. You are a compulsive liar. And a
> bad liar to boot. No wonder you have no friends. Have you considered
> professional help?
Nice, empty, angry, drivel. Sums you up perfectly.