THE WTC CONSPIRACY FOLKS ARE LIKE...
lab~rat >:-)
happened a long time ago, then they constructed great big stories
around the events to explain them.
Like people of long ago, they were ignorant as to how the earth and
sky worked, so they made up stories of angels and beacons in the sky.
The new people reverse-engineer an event and have their false prophets
explain away events that the followers are too dumb to understand
themselves. One day there'll be a 9/11 bible, and all the silly kool
ade drinkers that think it was a conspiracy will be quoting scripture
about 'controlled demolition' and 'the firemen said pull it' and
'squibs'.
And Rosie O'Donnell will be the patron holy mother of Ring Dings...
--
lab~rat >:-)
Do you want polite or do you want sincere?
Hatto von Aquitanien
So good of you to stand up to be the one to fully discredit the OCT of 9/11.
--
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1ek5w_wtc7-the-smoking-gun-of-911-updated
http://911research.wtc7.net
http://vehme.blogspot.com
Virtus Tutissima Cassis
Loogie
Ok Mr. Hotshot, explain the concerns of the military and commercial
airline pilots who have said that the 9-11 Commission was erroneous to
the point of not even agreeing with the governments own data.
Further they have called out the government, albeit politely, about the
Pentagon attack because none of the government explanations make any
sense. They point no fingers but do draw conclusions that there is no
way that the plane hit the Pentagon in the fashion reported. The data
just does not compute. A conspiracy? Maybe. Maybe not. I find it odd
that the government is mum on their findings. At the very least the US
government needs to explain their findings. The silence only leads to
speculation and conjures up theories.
So you go back to your 'accept everything that Big Bro tells me' and
keep on being the resident rightard of Usenet.
http://www.pilotsfor911truth.org/
L
Roger
I agree.
"lab~rat >:-)" <ch...@cheeze.net> wrote in message
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Ben Turner
> ...the religious goofballs, like Jehovah's Witnesses. Something
> happened a long time ago, then they constructed great big stories
> around the events to explain them.
>
> Like people of long ago, they were ignorant as to how the earth and
> sky worked, so they made up stories of angels and beacons in the sky.
>
> The new people reverse-engineer an event and have their false prophets
> explain away events that the followers are too dumb to understand
> themselves. One day there'll be a 9/11 bible, and all the silly kool
> ade drinkers that think it was a conspiracy will be quoting scripture
> about 'controlled demolition' and 'the firemen said pull it' and
> 'squibs'.
One day the "9/11" bible will be a transcript of the 9/11 trials at which
the perps (at the highest level of the US government) were tried, found
guilty and HANGED.
Future historians will look over the "Orders of Seizure" that stripped the
estates of those responsible. They will also browse over other orders of
seizure that were used to strip 100% of the assets of the mega-corporations
that participated in no-bid contracts and other major corruption.
lab~rat >:-)
puked:
The only thing that was covered up on 9/11 was the fact that the US
shot down that plane over Pennsylvania.
lab~rat >:-)
<BenT...@notvalid.address> puked:
>They will also browse over other orders of
>seizure that were used to strip 100% of the assets of the mega-corporations
>that participated in no-bid contracts and other major corruption.
>
Do you think no bid contracts started with this administration?
ThePhisherKIng
> The only thing that was covered up on 9/11 was the fact that the US
> shot down that plane over Pennsylvania.
> --
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lab~rat >:-)
puked:
>"lab~rat >:-)" <ch...@cheeze.net> wrote in
>news:d17713l4n9rcm8hib...@4ax.com:
>
>> The only thing that was covered up on 9/11 was the fact that the US
>> shot down that plane over Pennsylvania.
>> --
>
>Naaaww!
>
Yeah, that's too zany. I mean cel phones work on airplanes, right?
benrrrrrrrrand, esq
wrote:
If it says so on da tv, dey beliff it.
Duh.
They are the Flat Earthers, gullible ape-like beasts with no higher
brain functioning happening.
It's really not their fault, the liberals have fucked up the schools
so badly that they never had the impetus to develop their brains.
Neocon Oil Cheerleaders
sure to adjust your tinfoil hat while you're bouncing off the walls.
Billary/2008
"lab~rat >:-)" <ch...@cheeze.net> wrote in message
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Now YOU have gone off the deep end. I was with you on most of this. The
passengers on that plane may have used cell phones and they may not have. I
have seen people use cell phones on airplanes. What they did use was the
in-flight phone system. The Feds have records of the calls and the credit
card bills that were used to activate the calls. I do not for a moment
believe that the plane was shot down. I do believe that the passengers knew
they were about to die and took action to save their lives. Sometimes the
most plausible explanation is the correct one. Don't go loony on us like
the rest of these conspiracy nuts. By the way how do explain the fact that
there were no witnesses on the ground that saw the shot down, heard an
explosion prior to the plane hitting the ground OR reported a fighter jet
anywhere in the vicinity? If you're going to be a conspiracy theorist you
need to tie up the loose ends okay?
Al Dykes
http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2006/12/science-vs-bull.html
Thursday, December 21, 2006
Science Vs. Bull
Joseph Cannon
As mentioned in a comment below, my sympathies for conspiracy
theories evaporate when the subject switches from investigative
reporting to science. I'm all for tracking Lee Harvey Oswald's
spooky pals in Guy Banister's office; I'm all for telling the story
of what really went down in Allende's Chile; I'm all for sorting out
the ins and outs of the Litvinenko case; I'm all for tracking the
shadowy world inhabited by guys like Michael Ledeen and groups like
the Pinay Circle.
But when the subject turns to science, I advise extreme caution.
And that's when the conspiracy buffs become pluperfectly pissed off
with me, because many of them just love, love, love that
pseudoscience. From radionics to Roswell, they dig it.
A discursive example:
I can't tell you how many times I've argued with film-illiterate
conspiracy buffs who knew -- just bloody knew -- that subliminal
images appear in The Exorcist. Every time I encounter this claim, I
explain that, while quick cuts do exist in that movie, subliminals
are impossible. Film runs at 24 frames a second, and 1/24th of a
second is not subliminal; that's why you can see scratches and
splices in a bad print. 1/3000th of a second is subliminal, but to
flash an image so briefly requires a specialized piece of equipment
called a tachistiscope. (For the same reason, no subliminals can
ever appear on television, which has a 30 fps refresh rate.)
The usual response: "There must have been a tachisti-whatzit in the
theater!"
Actually, I've spoken with the projectionist who ran The Exorcist
during its first run at the National in Los Angeles back in '73. (In
those days, big films did not open wide.) There was no such device.
Point won? Nope. The ne'er-say-die conspiracy buff would invariably
accuse me of not knowing anything about movie technology (!) or of
being part of the conspiracy.
(Before you say it: Yes, I know all about Vicary's stunt in the
1950s. He used a tachistiscope, and his results had no scientific
value due to the lack of controls. And yes, I know about the
Silverman/Weinberger experiments of the 1980s, which have been
questioned due to some unsuccessful attempts at replication.)
All of which is my way of coming back to Dylan Avery, director of
Loose Change, the film which many controlled demolition believers
consider the Matrix-style "red pill" that awoke them to the
horrible, horrible truth of what really happened on 9/11. In a
recent comment, Dylan revealed that his film is a religious
enterprise, not an attempt at scientific inquiry.
The giveaway quotation comes from a debate between Dylan Avery,
partner Jason Bermas, and debunker Ronald Wieck. You can see the
debate here; a partial transcript is here.
The revelatory words:
Wieck: I want to ask both of you quickly, what would falsify your
beliefs? What would it take? What would we need to change your
mind about this?
Avery: There is nothing.
Nothing could falsify this belief? Then -- by definition -- we have
left the edifice of science and entered the realm of religion.
The existence of God is the most commonly-heard non-falsifiable
assertion. If you're as ancient as I am, you may recall this
exchange from an old Bill Cosby routine, which demonstrates the
principle:
Dad: Don't step out the bed. I've placed a dozen poisonous snakes
on the floor.
Young Bill: I don't see no snakes...
Dad: They're invisible!
What would falsify my assertion that controlled demolitions did not
take down those buildings? A commenter on the Screw Loose Change
blog offered some sensible suggestions:
- a consensus among structural engineers and demolition experts
that there was a demolition
- peer-reviewed research supporting twoofer claims
- whistleblowers from within the massive conspiracy
- a logical narrative would be nice too
Actually, I find it odd that we haven't yet had any putative
whistleblowers. The hard-core JFK buffs can name about a dozen guys
who, over the years, have made dubious "confessions" that they were
either one of the shooters or one of the mystery tramps.
Back to the main point. My standards for falsification are less
demanding. I'm not asking for a consensus of physicists -- a mere
twenty would be nice. When the CD-ers can count among their number a
certain number of demolition experts -- twenty? Fifteen? -- I will
listen respectfully. Right now, the number of demolition experts who
believe in the CD theory of 911 is an embarrassing zero.
The CD-ers claim that their writings have passed muster in a "peer
reviewed" journal, But that publication, The Journal of 911 Studies,
does not count among its peers a single person with professional
expertise in the area of controlled demolition. And yet it is
devoted to "proving" the controlled demolition hypothesis!
Why have the editors not recruited any experts in the very field
under discussion? Perhaps because those experts would say things
that the CD believers may not wish to hear.
The fact is, no pro-CD theories have appeared in any peer-reviewed
scientific periodical founded before the events in question
occurred. As far as I know, all articles published in actual science
journals have led readers in a very different direction.
Some conspiracists will counter: The editors of those journals must
have been paid to print lies! Welcome to the wonderful world of
non-falsifiability.
If dozens, hundreds of eyewitnesses see a commercial jet smashing
into the Pentagon, those witnesses stand damned as liars. Welcome to
the wonderful world of non-falsifiability.
"The buildings came down at free-fall speeds!" bleat the
CD-ers. That argument has been refuted more than once. See here and
here and here. Also see the Screw Loose Change video itself -- or
any video of the collapse, which shows rubble free-falling at a rate
faster than the building collapse.
Doesn't matter: Those rebuttals were written in bad faith, and any
video evidence that challenges the theory must have been
Photoshopped.
Welcome to the world of non-falsifiability.
Should we extend Avery and Bermas the excuse of youth? Could it be
that they did not know how the concept of falsifiability works in
science?
My High School Science teacher explained the basic principle to me,
just as yours probably told you. One can only hope that Avery and
Bermas had a similar instructor. Beyond that, everyone must admit
that Avery and Bermas are playing with the big boys now. They made a
film which spoke to millions about scientific questions, and (unlike
most actual scientists) they feel quite comfortable speaking in
terms of definitely instead of perhaps.
If they did not make it their business to learn the scientific
method, they deserve contempt.
--
a d y k e s @ p a n i x . c o m
Don't blame me. I voted for Gore. A Proud signature since 2001
Al Dykes
Loogie <boogie...@gmail.com> wrote:
>lab~rat >:-) wrote:
>> ...the religious goofballs, like Jehovah's Witnesses. Something
>> happened a long time ago, then they constructed great big stories
>> around the events to explain them.
>>
>> Like people of long ago, they were ignorant as to how the earth and
>> sky worked, so they made up stories of angels and beacons in the sky.
>>
>> The new people reverse-engineer an event and have their false prophets
>> explain away events that the followers are too dumb to understand
>> themselves. One day there'll be a 9/11 bible, and all the silly kool
>> ade drinkers that think it was a conspiracy will be quoting scripture
>> about 'controlled demolition' and 'the firemen said pull it' and
>> 'squibs'.
>>
>> And Rosie O'Donnell will be the patron holy mother of Ring Dings...
>> --
>> lab~rat >:-)
>> Do you want polite or do you want sincere?
>
>Ok Mr. Hotshot, explain the concerns of the military and commercial
>airline pilots who have said that the 9-11 Commission was erroneous to
>the point of not even agreeing with the governments own data.
>
Name some people.
Don't conflate (look it up) disagreement between professionals (within
their aras of expertise) about what happened on 9/11 with the idea
that any of them think that anybody but 19 men of Islamic origin
hijkacked the planes or that the 4 planes caused all the shit that
happened at the Pentagon, WTC, and PA. on that day.
NORAD and the FAA seem to have lied about things, afterwords but that
doesn t change my first paragraph.
El Host
What the hell do YOU care?
?
H
Loogie
Ok here is my list. Along with contact information. This is way more
than a disagreement among professionals.
The list is a who's who of the aviation world and can not be dismissed
as conspiracy theory wackos. Really study what they have to say. They do
make claims that it was impossible for the purported wacko to fly the
plane into the Pentagon. They back it up with data to prove their point.
They want explanations from the administration. Is that too much to ask?
I will be civil as long as you are.
L
Robert Balsamo
4000TT Commercial, Instrument, Multi, CFI II MEI
Corporate Chief Pilot
135 Capt
121 FO Independence Air/Atlantic Coast Airlines
King Air C-90/200, Dornier 328JET
Glen Stanish
15,000TT ATP
American Airlines, ATA, TWA, Continental
MD-80, 737
Captain Russ Wittenberg (ret)
30,000+ Total Flight Time
707, 727, 737, 747, 757, 767, 777
Pan Am, United
United States Air Force (ret)
Over 100 Combat Missions Flown
Has time in:
- N591UA (Aircraft dispatched as United 93)
- N612UA (Aircraft dispatched as United 175)
John Lear
Son of Bill Lear (Founder, creator of the Lear Jet Corporation)
More than 40 years of Flying
19,000+ TT
23 Type ratings
Flight experience includes 707, DC-8, 727, L10-11
Jeff Latas
-Over 20 years in the USAF
--USAF Accident investigation Board President
--Flew the F-111, T38, and F-15E
--Combat experience in the F-15E includes Desert Storm and four tours of
duty in Northern and Southern Watch
--Weapons Requirements Officer, USAG HQ, Pentagon
--Standard and Evaluations Flight Examiner, Command level
-Currently Captain for JetBlue Airways
Guy S. Razer, LtCol, USAF (Ret)
3,500+ Hours Total Flight Time
F-15E/C, F-111A/D/E/F/EF, F-16, F-18, B-1, Mig-29, SU-22, T-37/38,
Various Cvilian Prop
Combat Time: Operation Northern Watch
USAF Fighter Weapons School Instructor
NATO Tactical Leadership Program Instructor/Mission Coordinator
USAF Material Command Weapons Development Test Pilot
Combat Support Coordination Team 2 Airpower Coordinator, South Korea
All Service Combat Identification Evaluation Team Operations Officer
Boeing F-22 Pilot Instructor
MS Aeronautical Studies, Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University
Captain Paul A. Trood
B737-800/400 Captain
Qantas Airways
Australia
Experience: 18,000 flight hours
Jim Mustanich
ATP 20,000+ hours
Typed in CE-500, DHC-7, EMB-110, BA-3100
Aircraft flown include Boeing 727,737, Douglas DC-9, MD-80
United Air Lines, American International Airlines, Air Pacific Airlines,
West Air Airlines
6-7 years corporate flying in Cessna Citations
Factory demo pilot for Cessna Citations
Ted Muga
Naval Aviator - Retired Commander, USNR
A/C experience - Grumman E-1 and E-2 ( Approx, 3800 hours )
Pan American World Airways - Retired Dec. 1991 ( that's when PanAM went
bankrupt )
Flight Engineer/First Officer -- Boeing 707 & Boeing 727 ( approx. 7500
hours )
Col Robert Bowman
President of the Institute for Space and Security Studies
Executive Vice President of Millennium III Corporation
retired Presiding Archbishop of the United Catholic Church
101 combat missions in Vietnam
directed all the “Star Wars” programs under Presidents Ford and Carter
recipient of the Eisenhower Medal
George F. Kennan Peace Prize
President’s Medal of Veterans for Peace
Society of Military Engineers' ROTC Award of Merit (twice)
Six Air Medals
Ph.D. is in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering from Caltech
chaired 8 major international conferences
one of the country’s foremost experts on National Security
independent candidate for President of the US in 2000
John Panarelli
friend and fellow aviator of John Ogonowski - Capt. AA #11
ATP: L-300, B-737, DC-10, DC-8, FE, TT=approx. 11,000 hours
USAF-C141-IP, Eastern Metro, Braniff, Ryan International, Emery
Worldwide, Polar Air Cargo
Lt. Colonel Shelton F. Lankford
United States Marine Corps (ret)
A-4 Skyhawk, KC-130 (10,000+ hours)
S-2, T-1, F9F, F-11, OV-10, T–2J
303 Combat Missions
Dan Govatos
10,000TT
Chief Pilot of Casino Express airlines
Director of Operations Training at Polar Air
Cargo, and Asst. Chief Pilot for Presidential Air
Manager of Flying for Eastern Airlines
Falcon 900 and a G-200
Check Captain
B737,A300, Da-50, G-200 and C-500
FE, A&P.
Dennis Spear
Army Aviator
20+ years - United States Army
7000 TT in a variety of fixed and rotary wing aircraft
C-23, C-7, U-21,U-8, T-39, EH-60, UH-60, UH-1, OH-58
Instrument Flight Examiner, Fixed Wing Instructor Pilot, H-60
Maintenance Test Pilot
Operations Officer, Aviation Safety Officer
FAA Commercial Pilot
- ASMEL, Rotorcraft Helicopter, Instrument Airplane/Helicopter
Alfons Olszewski
Veterans For Truth
Vietnam Veteran
Aircraft Maintenance Crew Chief
MOS: 67V20
qualified on Cobras, Hueys, and Loch Helicopters
George Nelson
Colonel USAF (Ret.)
30 year career managing aircraft maintenance activities
Licensed commercial pilot
Licensed airframe and powerplant mechanic
Aircraft accident investigator
Larry Patriarca
USN Aviation Structural Mechanic
VAQ 135, EA-6B Squadron, 1983-86
Coordinator for Central Mass 9/11 Truth Alliance
Member of Veterans for 9/11 Truth
Associate Member of Scholars for 9/11 Truth
Mathias Frey
Switzerland
C340, C402
CPL/IR
ATPL “frozen”
500 hrs TT
5000+ hrs on ASTRAS, INTRAS and TOSIM, ATC Simulation
Assistant JAR OPS Transition Air Engiadina
Project Manager Air Alps Aviation
Jeff Dahlstrom
C-141 pilot in the early 70's during the Vietnam era:
2nd AF, 432nd MAWg, 18th Sq, MacGuire AFB, NJ.
Pilot training was class 70-06, at Laughlin AFB, Tx
Joe H. Ferguson
Retired Capt.
30,000TT
5,000 FE
USAF Ret.
T-6, T -28, B-25, B-29, KC-97
Frontier, Continental Airlines
DC - 3, CV 580, B737, MD80, DC10
William Reyes
Commercial pilot
Instrument
Multi Engine
Flight Instructor
1300 TT
Ex Lieutenant USN Horn Of Africa/ Persian Gulf 02-03
Aboard USS Nassau (LHA-4)
"Steven"
Canada ATC (in training)
James Edward Forst
Graduated from UND summa cum laude December 2006
Degree in Commercial Aviation and Aviation Management
CFI, CFII, and MEI 65% type CRJ
Gretchen Burnett-Simrall
Flight Attendant American Airlines
15 years
IOR
Co-worker of Betty Ong and Karen Martin
Hammish Brannan
Former United Kingdom air defense ground enviroment (UKADGE) RADAR
technician
Primary and secondary ground radar systems
ATC & airborne systems (including radio) as an instructor for the
Ministry of Defence (MOD)
Didier "Jay" Weenen
BAF retired
SIAI SF 260M, Potez Fouga Magister, BA/Do Alpha Jet,
F16A, C130H, C153, C172, C182, L45, various gliders
"Wes"
MD-88 American Airlines
Peter Rapp
Austria
PPL/IFR 950TT
Piper Turbo Arrow, PA32T Saratoga,
Cessna 172, Cessna 182T Garmin1000
Carry out business flights for clients and Co-Pi on Turbine Malibu and
Beech90 Kingair.
Erin Myers
600TT
Private Pilot (single engine, land, VFR)
Cessna, Piper, Waco, Pitts, Citabria
R22s and a JetRanger.
Army Aviation 68G (maintenance and repair):
Blackhawk, Apache and OH58.
FAA A&P Mechanic
Experimental Aircraft Builder
1990 KitFox.Lanceair, Glassair, variety of Micro and Ultra lights.
Sean Dulac
Private Pilot
500TT
Kevin Smith
Sailplane pilot
Producer, Alex Jones Show
Inforwars.com
Rodger Herbst
777 and 787 Aeronautics
Flight Controls and Simulation Engineering
Jeff Beck
Commercial, Instrument
Joe Frascone
2500TT
ATP CFI II MEI AGI FEX
Craig Hill
Post Solo Student Pilot
Ran as 9/11 Truth candidate for US Senate for Vermont in 2004 and 2006.
Producer of "Treason Inc"
Founder of the Green Party of Vermont
Helped organize four 9/11 Truth candidates appearing on statewide ballot
in Vermont in 2006
Appeared on many televised debates promoting 9/11awareness
Public Appearances -
-C-SPAN2, Called for the arrest and removal of Bush, Cheney and much of
DC for treason
-Spoken on 9/11 panels and podiums in many venues around the country,
from NYC on several occasions
-9/11 Boston Tea Party at historic Faneuil Hall
-The Alex Jones-organized 9/11 event in LA
-The 2006 event in Chicago
Currently organizing impeachment drives in Vt and around the country to
broaden 9/11 awareness and surreptitiously expose the perps in proposed
congressional hearings in 2007.
Fredrick W. Harvey
Pilot
Silver Star
Bronze Star
Three Purple Hearts
Two Tours in Vietnam
Eyewitness Experts
Aldo Marquis
Craig Ranke
ThePentaCon
PR Contacts
Jeff Hill
www.pumpitout.com
Gideon Almy
University of Tennessee
B.A. Speech Communications
Researchers
Sofia a.k.a. "Smallstorm"
Writer, Director, Researcher
911 Mysteries Part 1: Demolitions
David Ray Griffin
Emeritus Professor of Philosophy of Religion & Theology
Claremont School of Theology & Claremont Graduate University
Author or editor of some 30 books
"The New Pearl Harbor"
"The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions"
"Christian Faith and the Truth Behind 9/11"
"The American Empire and the Commonwealth of God"
"9/11 and American Empire: Intellectuals Speak Out"
Scholars For Truth, Full Member
Steven E. Jones, Ph.D.
Physics Professor (retired)
Ph.D. in Physics from Vanderbilt University
Chairperson of several international physics conferences
Research conducted at major laboratories in USA, Canada, United Kingdom
and Japan
Over fifty peer-reviewed publications, including Nature, Scientific
American and Physical Review Letters
Journal of 9/11 Studies - Focus on Goals
Why Indeed Did The World Trade Center Buildings Collapse
Pier Paolo Murru
Senior Film & Video Editor
Cinematographer
Expert in Postproduction and AV Technology
1400 AudioVisual productions
Teacher in Editing, Filming & Lighting techniques
Author/Researcher of:
The DoD Video Analysis & Fake Test Procedure
"UnderTow"
15 year Technology Expert
US Researcher
Source: NTSB FOIA .csv file & .fdr file
Calum Douglas
UK Researcher
Source: NTSB FOIA Animation
Chris Schubert
10 year IT-Professional & Database Administrator
Research and Translation
Developing German translation site of pilotsfor911truth.org
Garry Gilbert
Andrea Lea
El Host
LOL!!!
PROVE IT!!!!!
What makes your conspiracy theory any more true than all of the others?
So you are willing to admit the government lied about that, but not the
others?
You're opinion is no better than Rosie o'donnell's...
H.
KK
> The list is a who's who of the aviation world and can not be dismissed
> as conspiracy theory wackos. Really study what they have to say.
Where is it?
Patriot Games
How long will it be before the 9/11 Conspiracy crackpots and the UFO
Conspiracy crackpots join forces?
Was JFK's missing brain being stored in the WTC and that's why the space
aliens ordered Bush to start 9/11?
KK
> What makes your conspiracy theory any more true than all of the others?
> So you are willing to admit the government lied about that, but not the
> others?
I don't necessarily believe the government about *anything* it says. I
also think it's a slothful, leviathan bureaucracy that can't keep anything
secret and pretty much can't do anything right.
I fail to see the motive behind the horrifically murderous conspiracies
all you meatheads seem to believe in. But I do see how shooting down the
plane over Pennsylvania could have been justified, and I wouldn't rule out
as unbelievable that government pukes would want to keep that from the
public.
Al Dykes
Yet the physical evidence and eye witnesses that exits in huge
quantity for the 4 jumbo jets crashing on 9/11 is a hurdle that no
number of after-the-fact people can make go away. The "Truth
Movement" would have you not know that this evidence exists.
Any academic analysis that a plane "couldn't have crashed" has to
explain the existing evidence. The "Truth Movement" tries to hide the
balanced discussion of something like the (probably true) claim that
the barometric reading on Flt77's black box is problamatical, at least
according to 911-Pilots-For-Truth (sic, and where I think you got that
list from.) Other pilots say that it is explained by the pressure
setting at cruising alt not being changed to the pl for D.C. Airport.
A real pilot would have set his baro to the airport's value as a mater
of routine.
Al Dykes
http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2006/12/science-vs-bull.html
A discursive example:
The revelatory words:
Avery: There is nothing.
Dad: They're invisible!
Docky Wocky
the conclusion that there are an awful lot of kooks out there - some of who
may still be permitted to fly airplanes...at least until the list gets
looked at closely.
"What list?"
The one the kooks are using is a list of all lists. They call it a
veritable "Mother Of All Lists!"
"Where is this list?"
leftwi...@kooksRus.com
Just give them today's access code from your Orphan Annie decoder ring and
they will send you a copy.
Absolutely Serious
ask for evidence, then call the evidence fake.
you're ready for a job at the white house. Loser.
"Docky Wocky" <mrc...@lst.net> wrote in message
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El Host
"KK" <_K...@furburger.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2007.04.04....@furburger.net...
> On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 11:39:04 -0500, El Host wrote:
>
> > What makes your conspiracy theory any more true than all of the others?
> > So you are willing to admit the government lied about that, but not the
> > others?
>
> I don't necessarily believe the government about *anything* it says. I
> also think it's a slothful, leviathan bureaucracy that can't keep anything
> secret and pretty much can't do anything right.
>
The fact that they kept the shooting down of that airliner a secret makes it
very clear that they CAN get away with deception on a grand level.
H.
KK
> The fact that they kept the shooting down of that airliner a secret makes it
> very clear that they CAN get away with deception on a grand level.
Jesus.
I didn't say I thought they shot down the airliner. I said it wasn't as
ridiculous a claim as the others.
And, even if they had, it wouldn't make "very clear" anything of the sort.
Compare the number of people who would know about shooting down the
aircraft with the number of people required to plan and implement a huge
orchestrated demolition like you shitheads are proposing - not to mention
the planes (what were they for, then?)
> H.
Al Dykes
Unproven. How do you know it happened if they are a competant as you
claim.
I wish the the "Truth Movement" could get it's story straight. There
were no planes, but one was hot down, etc, etc.
benrrrrrrrrand, esq
Good point.
Wouldn;t it have been easier just to blow up the buildings?
I mean, there would have been a chance that the jets hit the "squibs"
and thereby the Controllers of the Controlled Demolition wouldn't have
had total Control of the Demoliton.
Controlled Demolition takes some coordination, you just don't blow up
a floor and expect the thing to go down in a heap.
>
>
>
>> H.
Loogie
message is bulletproof
L
KK
> Controlled Demolition takes some coordination, you just don't blow up
> a floor and expect the thing to go down in a heap.
Faster than gravity!
Don
"Patriot Games" <Crazy_...@Yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:yDQQh.3693$jZ3.297@trnddc06...
creepy bunch.
benrrrrrrrrand, esq
wrote:
You have the balls to call anybody retarded?
LMAO
LMMFAO
Al Dykes
I hop you are presenting that picture show as the joke it's intended
to be.
benrrrrrrrrand, esq
How could it be interpreted?
And idiot and his chicken wire...
LMAO
n...@epix.net
> >> ...the religious goofballs, like Jehovah's Witnesses. Something
> >> happened a long time ago, then they constructed great big stories
> >> around the events to explain them.
> >>
> >> Like people of long ago, they were ignorant as to how the earth and
> >> sky worked, so they made up stories of angels and beacons in the sky.
> >>
> >> The new people reverse-engineer an event and have their false prophets
> >> explain away events that the followers are too dumb to understand
> >> themselves. One day there'll be a 9/11 bible, and all the silly kool
> >> ade drinkers that think it was a conspiracy will be quoting scripture
> >> about 'controlled demolition' and 'the firemen said pull it' and
> >> 'squibs'.
> >>
> >> And Rosie O'Donnell will be the patron holy mother of Ring Dings...
> >> --
> >> lab~rat >:-)
> >> Do you want polite or do you want sincere?
> >
> >Ok Mr. Hotshot, explain the concerns of the military and commercial
> >airline pilots who have said that the 9-11 Commission was erroneous to
> >the point of not even agreeing with the governments own data.
> >
> >Pentagon attack because none of the government explanations make any
> >sense. They point no fingers but do draw conclusions that there is no
> >way that the plane hit the Pentagon in the fashion reported. The data
> >just does not compute. A conspiracy? Maybe. Maybe not. I find it odd
> >that the government is mum on their findings. At the very least the US
> >government needs to explain their findings. The silence only leads to
> >speculation and conjures up theories.
> >
> >So you go back to your 'accept everything that Big Bro tells me' and
> >keep on being the resident rightard of Usenet.
> >
> >http://www.pilotsfor911truth.org/
> >
> >L
>
> The only thing that was covered up on 9/11 was the fact that the US
> shot down that plane over Pennsylvania.
> lab~rat >:-)
> Do you want polite or do you want sincere?
How about sincere? I can't believe you think thaty plane was shot
down. My Guard unit is stationed
in Johnstown and I have talked with people who actually saw it crash.
They say it came
straight down, engines stalling and all, into the ground. I 've been
to the Flight 93 crash
site. and a 6th grader could tell just by looking at the area of the
crash site( no more than 100 square yards)
that this plane was NOT shot down
Loogie
Much better than an idiot in the White House.
L
benrrrrrrrrand, esq
wrote:
Oh, that thread was *not* a joke my friend.
LMAO.
benrrrrrrrrand, esq
They're all lying.
It was a surface to air ICBM that shot down that plane.
TWO OF THEM!!!
KK
> They're all lying.
>
> It was a surface to air ICBM that shot down that plane.
>
> TWO OF THEM!!!
and the plane came down FASTER THAN GRAVITY!!!!
n...@epix.net
All the witnesses are lying? And you tell the truth right? Just visit
the crash site.
That's all you need to see what actually happened.
benrrrrrrrrand, esq
No way, it was shot down.
All the passengers were disembarked mid-air and are living in Aruba at
the taxpayer's expense.
Then the plane was shot down with a new gamma ray targeting system
developed by Raytheon.
No hole in the ground will tell me that a plane wasn't shot down.
n...@epix.net
LOL!
benrrrrrrrrand, esq
I'v ebeen to Shanksville, the hole there is only 10 feet in diameter
and in a coal mining area.
The ground beneath collapsed and that's what that hole is.
The shot down plane landed right in front of Stosh Jablonski's house
in Natrona Hegihts.
That's ANOTHER media cover up!
Lockheed Martin
wrote:
>The only thing that was covered up on 9/11 was the fact that the US
>shot down that plane over Pennsylvania.
What about the Saudi Royals and Laden family members 'meeting Bush
Sr.' who flew out of America (when all commercial flights were
grounded in Mexico, Canada and the US.) without being questioned by
the CIA or FBI?
This isn't a conspiracy theory
Vandar
Nor is it a fact. US airspace reopened on September 13th. The bin Laden
flight left on September 20th.
Flights weren't grounded in Canada & Mexico.
lab~rat >:-)
<F#%K_Lib...@vastrightwingconspiracy.gov> puked:
>
>"lab~rat >:-)" <ch...@cheeze.net> wrote in message
>news:jha7139foak87e4b3...@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 08:41:14 -0500, ThePhisherKIng <Locker@BusStation>
>> puked:
>>
>>>"lab~rat >:-)" <ch...@cheeze.net> wrote in
>>>news:d17713l4n9rcm8hib...@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> The only thing that was covered up on 9/11 was the fact that the US
>>>> shot down that plane over Pennsylvania.
>>>> --
>>>
>>>Naaaww!
>>>
>>
>> Yeah, that's too zany. I mean cel phones work on airplanes, right?
>> --
>> lab~rat >:-)
>> Do you want polite or do you want sincere?
>
>
>Now YOU have gone off the deep end. I was with you on most of this. The
>passengers on that plane may have used cell phones and they may not have. I
>have seen people use cell phones on airplanes. What they did use was the
>in-flight phone system. The Feds have records of the calls and the credit
>card bills that were used to activate the calls. I do not for a moment
>believe that the plane was shot down. I do believe that the passengers knew
>they were about to die and took action to save their lives. Sometimes the
>most plausible explanation is the correct one. Don't go loony on us like
>the rest of these conspiracy nuts. By the way how do explain the fact that
>there were no witnesses on the ground that saw the shot down, heard an
>explosion prior to the plane hitting the ground OR reported a fighter jet
>anywhere in the vicinity? If you're going to be a conspiracy theorist you
>need to tie up the loose ends okay?
>
Because there were no people in the remote area where the plane went
down?
BTW, serious question, what cel service has towers that direct their
signals straight up?
lab~rat >:-)
<n...@spamm.com> puked:
>In article <d17713l4n9rcm8hib...@4ax.com>, ch...@cheeze.net says...
>> On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 09:13:38 -0300, Loogie <boogie...@gmail.com>
>> puked:
>>
>> >lab~rat >:-) wrote:
>> >> ...the religious goofballs, like Jehovah's Witnesses. Something
>> >> happened a long time ago, then they constructed great big stories
>> >> around the events to explain them.
>> >>
>> >> Like people of long ago, they were ignorant as to how the earth and
>> >> sky worked, so they made up stories of angels and beacons in the sky.
>> >>
>> >> The new people reverse-engineer an event and have their false prophets
>> >> explain away events that the followers are too dumb to understand
>> >> themselves. One day there'll be a 9/11 bible, and all the silly kool
>> >> ade drinkers that think it was a conspiracy will be quoting scripture
>> >> about 'controlled demolition' and 'the firemen said pull it' and
>> >> 'squibs'.
>> >>
>> >> And Rosie O'Donnell will be the patron holy mother of Ring Dings...
>> >> --
>> >> lab~rat >:-)
>> >> Do you want polite or do you want sincere?
>> >
>> >Ok Mr. Hotshot, explain the concerns of the military and commercial
>> >airline pilots who have said that the 9-11 Commission was erroneous to
>> >the point of not even agreeing with the governments own data.
>> >
>> >Further they have called out the government, albeit politely, about the
>> >Pentagon attack because none of the government explanations make any
>> >sense. They point no fingers but do draw conclusions that there is no
>> >way that the plane hit the Pentagon in the fashion reported. The data
>> >just does not compute. A conspiracy? Maybe. Maybe not. I find it odd
>> >that the government is mum on their findings. At the very least the US
>> >government needs to explain their findings. The silence only leads to
>> >speculation and conjures up theories.
>> >
>> >So you go back to your 'accept everything that Big Bro tells me' and
>> >keep on being the resident rightard of Usenet.
>> >
>> >http://www.pilotsfor911truth.org/
>> >
>> >L
>>
>> The only thing that was covered up on 9/11 was the fact that the US
>> shot down that plane over Pennsylvania.
>> --
>> lab~rat >:-)
>
>Into the rubber room for you, lab-rat, you conspiracy crackpot nutjob! Be
>sure to adjust your tinfoil hat while you're bouncing off the walls.
Oh come on. How is my comment any worse than the rest of these
conspiracy idiots? Jesus, it's easier to believe that plane was shot
down than to believe a ton of explosives were secretly planted in a
building...
lab~rat >:-)
puked:
>Begging the question...
>
>What the hell do YOU care?
>
>?
>H
>
It's my job to identify idiots on the internet...
lab~rat >:-)
>On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 11:39:04 -0500, El Host wrote:
>
>> What makes your conspiracy theory any more true than all of the others?
>> So you are willing to admit the government lied about that, but not the
>> others?
>
>I don't necessarily believe the government about *anything* it says. I
>also think it's a slothful, leviathan bureaucracy that can't keep anything
>secret and pretty much can't do anything right.
>
>I fail to see the motive behind the horrifically murderous conspiracies
>all you meatheads seem to believe in. But I do see how shooting down the
>plane over Pennsylvania could have been justified, and I wouldn't rule out
>as unbelievable that government pukes would want to keep that from the
>public.
>
Yeah, and the 'Let's roll!' story caught on like legend, playing right
into their hands...
Eeexxxellleennnt...
lab~rat >:-)
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>"lab~rat >:-)" <ch...@cheeze.net> wrote in message
>news:rjv4131ct94mtgaj2...@4ax.com...
>
>How long will it be before the 9/11 Conspiracy crackpots and the UFO
>Conspiracy crackpots join forces?
>
>Was JFK's missing brain being stored in the WTC and that's why the space
>aliens ordered Bush to start 9/11?
>
Know how no one sees bigfoot? Well a bunch of bigfoots (bigfeet?)
were used to plant the charges in the buildings. That's how they did
it...
lab~rat >:-)
puked:
>The list is a who's who of the aviation world and can not be dismissed
>as conspiracy theory wackos. Really study what they have to say. They do
>make claims that it was impossible for the purported wacko to fly the
>plane into the Pentagon. They back it up with data to prove their point.
> They want explanations from the administration. Is that too much to ask?
GW Bush can fly a plane...
lab~rat >:-)
>On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 12:58:37 -0500, El Host wrote:
>
>> The fact that they kept the shooting down of that airliner a secret makes it
>> very clear that they CAN get away with deception on a grand level.
>
>
>Jesus.
>
>I didn't say I thought they shot down the airliner. I said it wasn't as
>ridiculous a claim as the others.
>
>And, even if they had, it wouldn't make "very clear" anything of the sort.
> Compare the number of people who would know about shooting down the
> aircraft with the number of people required to plan and implement a huge
> orchestrated demolition like you shitheads are proposing - not to mention
> the planes (what were they for, then?)
You do realize that the 9/11 nuts were claiming it took too long to
scramble the jets that morning. Why would they be upset about that if
they didn't think the jets were going to take out an airliner?
lab~rat >:-)
>In article <65380$4613e6e3$4088c657$29...@EVERESTKC.NET>,
>El Host <E...@whereyouare.com> wrote:
>>
>>"KK" <_K...@furburger.net> wrote in message
>>news:pan.2007.04.04....@furburger.net...
>>> On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 11:39:04 -0500, El Host wrote:
>>>
>>> > What makes your conspiracy theory any more true than all of the others?
>>> > So you are willing to admit the government lied about that, but not the
>>> > others?
>>>
>>> I don't necessarily believe the government about *anything* it says. I
>>> also think it's a slothful, leviathan bureaucracy that can't keep anything
>>> secret and pretty much can't do anything right.
>>>
>>
>>The fact that they kept the shooting down of that airliner a secret makes it
>>very clear that they CAN get away with deception on a grand level.
>
>
>Unproven. How do you know it happened if they are a competant as you
>claim.
>
>I wish the the "Truth Movement" could get it's story straight. There
>were no planes, but one was hot down, etc, etc.
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=42112
Rumsfeld says 9-11 plane
'shot down' in Pennsylvania
During surprise Christmas Eve trip, defense secretary contradicts
official story
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Posted: December 27, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern
© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com
WASHINGTON – Ever since Sept. 11, 2001, there have been questions
about Flight 93, the ill-fated plane that crashed in the rural fields
of Pennsylvania.
The official story has been that passengers on the United Airlines
flight rushed the hijackers in an effort to prevent them from crashing
the plane into a strategic target – possibly the U.S. Capitol.
During his surprise Christmas Eve trip to Iraq, Defense Secretary
Donald Rumsfeld referred to the flight being shot down – long a
suspicion because of the danger the flight posed to Washington
landmarks and population centers.
Was it a slip of the tongue? Was it an error? Or was it the truth,
finally being dropped on the public more than three years after the
tragedy of the terrorist attacks that killed nearly 3,000?
Donald Rumsfeld
Here's what Rumsfeld said Friday: "I think all of us have a sense if
we imagine the kind of world we would face if the people who bombed
the mess hall in Mosul, or the people who did the bombing in Spain, or
the people who attacked the United States in New York, shot down the
plane over Pennsylvania and attacked the Pentagon, the people who cut
off peoples' heads on television to intimidate, to frighten – indeed
the word 'terrorized' is just that. Its purpose is to terrorize, to
alter behavior, to make people be something other than that which they
want to be."
Several eyewitnesses to the crash claim they saw a "military-type"
plane flying around United Airlines Flight 93 when the hijacked
passenger jet crashed – prompting the once-unthinkable question of
whether the U.S. military shot down the plane.
Although the onboard struggle between hijackers and passengers –
immortalized by the courageous "Let's roll" call to action by Todd
Beamer – became one of the enduring memories of that disastrous day,
the actual cause of Flight 93's crash, of the four hijacked airliners,
remains the most unclear.
Several residents in and around Shanksville, Pa., describing the crash
as they saw it, claim to have seen a second plane – an unmarked
military-style jet.
Well-founded uncertainty as to just what happened to Flight 93 is
nothing new. Just three days after the worst terrorist attack in
American history, on Sept. 14, 2001, The (Bergen County, N.J.) Record
newspaper reported that five eyewitnesses reported seeing a second
plane at the Flight 93 crash site.
That same day, reported the Record, FBI Special Agent William Crowley
said investigators could not rule out that a second plane was nearby
during the crash. He later said he had misspoken, dismissing rumors
that a U.S. military jet had intercepted the plane before it could
strike a target in Washington, D.C.
Although government officials insist there was never any pursuit of
Flight 93, they were informed the flight was suspected of having been
hijacked at 9:16 am, fully 50 minutes before the plane came down.
On the Sept. 16, 2001, edition of NBC's "Meet the Press," Vice
President Dick Cheney, while not addressing Flight 93 specifically,
spoke clearly to the administration's clear policy regarding shooting
down hijacked jets.
Vice President Cheney: "Well, the – I suppose the toughest decision
was this question of whether or not we would intercept incoming
commercial aircraft."
NBC's Tim Russert: "And you decided?"
Cheney: "We decided to do it. We'd, in effect, put a flying combat air
patrol up over the city; F-16s with an AWACS, which is an airborne
radar system, and tanker support so they could stay up a long time ...
"It doesn't do any good to put up a combat air patrol if you don't
give them instructions to act, if, in fact, they feel it's
appropriate."
Russert: "So if the United States government became aware that a
hijacked commercial airline[r] was destined for the White House or the
Capitol, we would take the plane down?"
Cheney: "Yes. The president made the decision ... that if the plane
would not divert ... as a last resort, our pilots were authorized to
take them out. Now, people say, you know, that's a horrendous decision
to make. Well, it is. You've got an airplane full of American
citizens, civilians, captured by ... terrorists, headed and are you
going to, in fact, shoot it down, obviously, and kill all those
Americans on board?
"... It's a presidential-level decision, and the president made, I
think, exactly the right call in this case, to say, I wished we'd had
combat air patrol up over New York.'"
lab~rat >:-)
>Absolutely Serious wrote:
>> ask for a list then call the list left wing kooks
>> ask for evidence, then call the evidence fake.
>>
>> you're ready for a job at the white house. Loser.
>>
>> "Docky Wocky" <mrc...@lst.net> wrote in message
>> news:r4RQh.3019$F%1.1743@trnddc01...
>>> I really studied that list of who's who in left-wing aviation, and came to
>>> the conclusion that there are an awful lot of kooks out there - some of
>>> who
>>> may still be permitted to fly airplanes...at least until the list gets
>>> looked at closely.
>>>
>>> "What list?"
>>>
>>> The one the kooks are using is a list of all lists. They call it a
>>> veritable "Mother Of All Lists!"
>>>
>>> "Where is this list?"
>>>
>>> leftwi...@kooksRus.com
>>>
>>> Just give them today's access code from your Orphan Annie decoder ring and
>>> they will send you a copy.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>Yeah...it is typical of these rightards. shoot the messenger cuz the
>message is bulletproof
>
>L
The message is a bunch of silly BS that no one with any common sense
takes seriously. It has been disproved over and over. Now that your
fantasy girl Rosie O'Donnell has become aware of it, you get to hear
about it while watching your favorite show, The View.
Like Pavlov's dog, she rings the bell and you dummies drool for her
nuggets...
lab~rat >:-)
http://www.flight93crash.com/
http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/analysis/flight93/index.html
Just sayin'...
Didn't we shoot one down off the coast of NYC a few years back?
Al Dykes
Consistance isn't a strong point. They never saw a nutty claim they
didn't include in their kit, to be pulled out to change the topic
whenever a rational point is made about the other.
WTC was a missile; it was a space beam, it was a remote controlled
plane; it was a micronuke (?) it wasn't anything but demolition
charges.
Nobody in the Truth Movement will every comment on another Truthy's
fantasy. "Truth" is the last thing these folks are interested in.
Prof Jones was kicked out of the original 911Truth organization
because he refused to sign on to the chinese menu of kook theories.
That was to his credit.
Al Dykes
lab~rat >:-) <SnapTrap@ouchyouf*cker.ork> wrote:
>On 4 Apr 2007 14:04:00 -0400, ady...@panix.com (Al Dykes) puked:
>
>>In article <65380$4613e6e3$4088c657$29...@EVERESTKC.NET>,
>>El Host <E...@whereyouare.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>"KK" <_K...@furburger.net> wrote in message
>>>news:pan.2007.04.04....@furburger.net...
>>>> On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 11:39:04 -0500, El Host wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > What makes your conspiracy theory any more true than all of the others?
>>>> > So you are willing to admit the government lied about that, but not the
>>>> > others?
>>>>
>>>> I don't necessarily believe the government about *anything* it says. I
>>>> also think it's a slothful, leviathan bureaucracy that can't keep anything
>>>> secret and pretty much can't do anything right.
>>>>
>>>
>>>The fact that they kept the shooting down of that airliner a secret makes it
>>>very clear that they CAN get away with deception on a grand level.
>>
>>
>>Unproven. How do you know it happened if they are a competant as you
>>claim.
>>
>>I wish the the "Truth Movement" could get it's story straight. There
>>were no planes, but one was hot down, etc, etc.
>
>
If anyone can parse and make sense of Rummy's statement, please clue
us in. I see a big "if" infront of the sentance I think you are
referring to. That makes it conjecture, not statement of what really
happened.
>http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=42112
>
>Here's what Rumsfeld said Friday: "I think all of us have a sense if
>we imagine the kind of world we would face if the people who bombed
>the mess hall in Mosul, or the people who did the bombing in Spain, or
>the people who attacked the United States in New York, shot down the
>plane over Pennsylvania and attacked the Pentagon, the people who cut
>off peoples' heads on television to intimidate, to frighten Ğ indeed
>the word 'terrorized' is just that. Its purpose is to terrorize, to
>alter behavior, to make people be something other than that which they
>want to be."
--
Neocon Oil Cheerleaders
believe the Bush Administration that you love and defend so loyally
would engage in the biggest cover up of the century. This is just total
wackjob tinfoil nutso, Rat-boy.
Neocon Oil Cheerleaders
government shot down UA 93 on 9/11?
Billary/2008
Now you're just being silly labrat. They used the IN FLIGHT phones to
communicate with family and authorities. Have you ever seen America? There
is NO SUCH THING as a "remote" area. There are people EVERYWHERE. Over 300
million of them. How do you think the authorities knew the plane was down?
Because a witness reported the plane was down. How do you explain away ALL
the conversation the family members claimed to have with their loved ones?
How do you explain away the credit card records? The call records? C'mon
dude, get serious. THINK!!!!
lab~rat >:-)
<n...@spamm.com> puked:
>In article <9aq713lcksivlt3lq...@4ax.com>, ch...@cheeze.net says...
And you believe the 'Let's roll!' story? ROFL.
lab~rat >:-)
<F#%K_Lib...@vastrightwingconspiracy.gov> puked:
Radar.
>Because a witness reported the plane was down. How do you explain away ALL
>the conversation the family members claimed to have with their loved ones?
Lies.
>How do you explain away the credit card records? The call records? C'mon
>dude, get serious. THINK!!!!
>
>
>
>
--
StubbyElvis
> --
I know Lisa Beamer personally. What about it that you find so funny? Is
she in on the big secret conspiracy as well?
Al Dykes
And FWIW, I know a family left fatherless by the crash of Flt93.
The people that claim that Men in Black, working for the Guvmnt are
disgusting and an insult to lots of good people involven with cleaning
up the mess of 9/11.
btw, Bush, Cheney, and the rest of the crooks in the administration
are *not* on my list of good people, but that doesn't mean that I
believe that they planned and carried out the disasters of 9/11.
Patriot Games
news:PYydnTXp2u5qc47b...@comcast.com...
> "Patriot Games" <Crazy_...@Yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:yDQQh.3693$jZ3.297@trnddc06...
>> How long will it be before the 9/11 Conspiracy crackpots and the UFO
>> Conspiracy crackpots join forces?
>> Was JFK's missing brain being stored in the WTC and that's why the space
>> aliens ordered Bush to start 9/11?
> creepy bunch.
Ohhh shit. That would bring Hillary in the mix.....
Which would bring Bill in the mix.....
Which can ONLY mean one thing. Hillary caught Bill getting a knobber from a
space alien, told one of the lesbians that worked in the travel office who
told Vince, Vince had to be killed.....
Patriot Games
Haven't I already told you yer fucking brilliant!?
Of course! The ONLY documented invisible land creature is Bigfoot! So, who
else would you hire to plant the charges!?!?!?!? Duh....
But they couldn't just shuffle all the way to NYC from Washington or
Oregon....
So space aliens MUST HAVE beamed them to the WTC.....
Uh-oh! I just figured something out... The ONLY documented invisible SEA
creature is Nessie! So, maybe the <secret society> had Nessie attack the
Brit sailors and the Iranians actually RESCUED them?
We gotta get a handle on this shit....
Eyeball Kid
wrote:
> On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 09:13:38 -0300, Loogie <boogie...@gmail.com>
> puked:
>
> >lab~rat >:-) wrote:
> >> ...the religious goofballs, like Jehovah's Witnesses. Something
> >> happened a long time ago, then they constructed great big stories
> >> around the events to explain them.
> >>
> >> Like people of long ago, they were ignorant as to how the earth and
> >> sky worked, so they made up stories of angels and beacons in the sky.
> >>
> >> The new people reverse-engineer an event and have their false prophets
> >> explain away events that the followers are too dumb to understand
> >> themselves. One day there'll be a 9/11 bible, and all the silly kool
> >> ade drinkers that think it was a conspiracy will be quoting scripture
> >> about 'controlled demolition' and 'the firemen said pull it' and
> >> 'squibs'.
> >>
> >> And Rosie O'Donnell will be the patron holy mother of Ring Dings...
> >> --
> >> lab~rat >:-)
> >> Do you want polite or do you want sincere?
> >
> >Ok Mr. Hotshot, explain the concerns of the military and commercial
> >airline pilots who have said that the 9-11 Commission was erroneous to
> >the point of not even agreeing with the governments own data.
> >
> >Further they have called out the government, albeit politely, about the
> >Pentagon attack because none of the government explanations make any
> >sense. They point no fingers but do draw conclusions that there is no
> >way that the plane hit the Pentagon in the fashion reported. The data
> >just does not compute. A conspiracy? Maybe. Maybe not. I find it odd
> >that the government is mum on their findings. At the very least the US
> >government needs to explain their findings. The silence only leads to
> >speculation and conjures up theories.
> >
> >So you go back to your 'accept everything that Big Bro tells me' and
> >keep on being the resident rightard of Usenet.
> >
> >http://www.pilotsfor911truth.org/
> >
> >L
>
> The only thing that was covered up on 9/11 was the fact that the US
> shot down that plane over Pennsylvania.
> --
> lab~rat >:-)
> Do you want polite or do you want sincere?
You're omitting the interview by PBS of Larry Silverstein. Remember? So
there are at least TWO issues that were not covered, when there were
plenty of facts to assemble. And why was Zelikow in charge of getting
(and omitting) materials and witnesses, and guiding the agenda for the
Commission when we all know that Zelikow is a propaganda specialist?
Who chose him, and who benefits from this choice?
Again, I smell a troll, labrat. I wonder who it could be?
E. K.
--
"You can fool some of the people all of the time,
and those are the ones you want to concentrate on."
-- G.W. Bush, Gridiron Club dinner, Wash., D.C. March 2001
"I even take the position that sexual orgies eliminate social tensions and
ought to be encouraged." US Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia, 2004
"The American Way of Life is not negotiable." Dick Cheney, 2001
"The American Way of Life is heading for extinction." Eyeball Kid, 2006
"...Money Trumps Peace..." G.W. Bush, 2007
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KK
>>Because a witness reported the plane was down. How do you explain away ALL
>>the conversation the family members claimed to have with their loved ones?
>
> Lies.
I don't think the conversations would need explaining. They could have
had the conversations before being shot down.
Billary/2008
That's an awfully BIG, complex and multi-faceted conspiracy theory you have
there. You'll have to better than that if you want any credibility to your
assertions.
KK
>> I don't think the conversations would need explaining. They could have
>> had the conversations before being shot down.
>
> That's an awfully BIG, complex and multi-faceted conspiracy theory you have
> there.
I don't personally believe the plane was shot down. I just said that, if
it were, the conversations wouldn't need explaining. How's that big,
complex, or multi-faceted?
Or were you trying to be funny?
Al Dykes
What does this have with the fact that WTC7 came down due to major
damage from falling beams and internal fires that burned for hours?
Neocon Oil Cheerleaders
"...the religious goofballs, like Jehovah's Witnesses. Something
happened a long time ago, then they constructed great big stories
around the events to explain them...."
And then you go on to explain your own 9/11 conspiracy theory
about UA 93!
lab~rat >:-)
puked:
Of course. Where do you think it came from? It got totally blown out
of proportion and became legend. The government just rode the wave...
lab~rat >:-)
<n...@spamm.com> puked:
I was referring to the "let's roll" story. That's the conspiracy...