Is Howard afraid of Daniel Carver ... or is he just a "brown nose?"
Sid
are Senator D'Amato, Governors Patacki and Whitman and that piece of
shit, Daniel Carver.
KKK Karver says whatever he wants: "Niggers" are worse than animals, and
Jews are worse than "Niggers" ... and Howard (100% Jewish) says nothing,
and Robin (100% "nigger") laughs and treats him like he's a a legitimate
guest, worthy of respect.
Why do they allow Karver to promote his catalog and sell his racist
shit. and develop a fan club ... even to the point of gaining new KKK
members (which Karver admitted on Friday)?
Even if Karver was funny, which IMHO he's not, why do Howard and Robin
allow themselves to be used ... to sell out to that dumb piece of shit?
In fact, Howard treats Karver with more respect that he does his own
mother, father and wife.
I hope CBS has more sense that to allow Karver to use their new Howard
Stern TV show as a "soapbox," with no "challenge" to his hateful
comments from Howard, the one person that could, and should, bury him in
a pile of his own racist shit.
BTW, I'm a big fan of the show, and listen to it every day. But I just
can't figure what Howard is thinking when it comes to Karver. If it's
his movie reviews, they're rarely funny but always predictable. Clearly,
Karver needs Howard a lot more than Howard needs Karver.
Pardon me for going on for so long, but I had to get this off my chest.
I really like Howard, and hate to see him make a fool of himself. He's
giving a man who, by definition, hates him, his mother, father, wife,
children and his co-host ... a free pass. That's not the Howard Stern I
"know and love".
A disappointed, avid Stern fan ... but not a sheep.
TheSnake
remember Howiewood Squares?
Sid wrote in message <35CC68E0...@erols.com>...
Sid
TheSnake wrote:
> I think Carver is one of the funniest acts he has on the show. Oh man
> remember Howiewood Squares?
Not really ... please refresh my memory. (BTW, Karver is not an act. That's
the problem.)
--
Sid
"In order to act wisely it is not enough to be wise."
Ron
>There are very few people Howard treats with total respect. Among them
>are Senator D'Amato, Governors Patacki and Whitman and that piece of
>shit, Daniel Carver.
>
>KKK Karver says whatever he wants: "Niggers" are worse than animals, and
>Jews are worse than "Niggers" ... and Howard (100% Jewish) says nothing,
>and Robin (100% "nigger") laughs and treats him like he's a a legitimate
>guest, worthy of respect.
>
Howard's letting this guy expose himself for the ass that he is.
--
Ron
Tarzana, CA
Jeff
show.
Sid wrote:
> There are very few people Howard treats with total respect. Among them
> are Senator D'Amato, Governors Patacki and Whitman and that piece of
> shit, Daniel Carver.
>
> KKK Karver says whatever he wants: "Niggers" are worse than animals, and
> Jews are worse than "Niggers" ... and Howard (100% Jewish) says nothing,
> and Robin (100% "nigger") laughs and treats him like he's a a legitimate
> guest, worthy of respect.
>
TheSnake
squares was a skit he did on the wwor show just like Hollywood squares
except with misfits.
Sid wrote in message <35CC8B8A...@erols.com>...
>
>
>TheSnake wrote:
>
>> I think Carver is one of the funniest acts he has on the show. Oh man
>> remember Howiewood Squares?
>
>Not really ... please refresh my memory. (BTW, Karver is not an act. That's
>the problem.)
>
>> Sid wrote in message <35CC68E0...@erols.com>...
Kazza
quite the contrary.
The easiest way to expose a fool is to let him rant. If you listen to
Howard's carefully placed comments, they are meant to be incendiary
enough to get Carver all riled up so that they can laugh at him.
Robin usually "challenges" him, and then dismisses him.
What baffles me is the people who call up during the movie reviews to
argue with him! As if the cretin possesses even the slightest bit of
cognitive reasoning skills!
In the words of Poe (the songwriter, not the poet): "Can't talk to a
psycho like a normal human being..."
Kazza
Daniel Carver, Underdog Woman, the various Snapple Girls...it is
amazing that they got away with half of what they did then.
:)
XL Stussy
say things that he believes, but will not/can not say himself. If you don't
know that Howard is 100% racist, you are more gullible than Smelly James ever
was. If you heard the way Howard laughed, when it was disclosed that Jackie's
wife fucked a black guy, you'd know that he's as prejudiced as Archie Bunker.
That's like a pure, 100% effective way, of telling if someone is: to the
complete non-racist, it wouldn't make ANY difference if someone had sex with a
black guy (actually, the question would probably never come up, let alone
pursued: they tracked down all the show wives, one by one, to "get to the
bottom of this".), and would CERTAINLY not cause a reaction.
If you think there's some higher motivation, i.e. that Howard has Daniel
on to let Daniel make a fool out of himself, you're more deluded than Frank
Stallone thinking he has talent.
Why is the word "nigger" so funny to Howard? If you think it's out of
mockery for the people using it, you are nuts.
JD
MOWBIE
>KKK Karver says whatever he wants: "Niggers" are worse than animals, and
>Jews are worse than "Niggers" ... and Howard (100% Jewish) says nothing,
>and Robin (100% "nigger") laughs and treats him like he's a a legitimate
>guest, worthy of respect.
I feel the same way when they have NAMBLA people on. I can't get the joke about
child rape. A lot of us have a line, it's just not the same line.
>Why do they allow Karver to promote his catalog
This I do agree with. I have to assume he thinks if he didn't allow Dan his
plug he'd lose him as a regular.
The man who claims to be the boss in his own home will lie about other
things as well -Amish saying
Sid
h...@now.com wrote:
> On Sat, 8 Aug 1998 12:23:06 -0400, "TheSnake" <bitisg...@viper.com>
> wrote:
>
> >I think Carver is one of the funniest acts he has on the show. Oh man
> >remember Howiewood Squares?
>
> Being a comedy show, which many seem to forget, Howard puts on stuff that
> he thinks is funny. There's no need to ask if Howard thinks it's funny.
> And not only Carver, but the reactions of people such as the one below are
> also part of the joke.
I think you're missing a subtle point here. For example, Pat Cooper was funny.
Jerry Seinfeld was funny. Yet Howard was quick to clearly and loudly challenge
them at every opportunity.
The "wack pack" are funny, but Howard is never afraid to crucify them. Now
consider Daniel Karver ... when was the last time he put him down, or even
openly offended him?
If you can't think of a time, why not?
BTW, I know it's a comedy show ... which is why I listen every morning from
6AM on.
>
>
> >Sid wrote in message <35CC68E0...@erols.com>...
> >>There are very few people Howard treats with total respect. Among them
> >>are Senator D'Amato, Governors Patacki and Whitman and that piece of
> >>shit, Daniel Carver.
> >>
> >>KKK Karver says whatever he wants: "Niggers" are worse than animals, and
> >>Jews are worse than "Niggers" ... and Howard (100% Jewish) says nothing,
> >>and Robin (100% "nigger") laughs and treats him like he's a a legitimate
> >>guest, worthy of respect.
> >>
Sid
Ron wrote:
> In article <35CC68E0...@erols.com>, Sid <rh...@erols.com> wrote:
>
> >There are very few people Howard treats with total respect. Among them
> >are Senator D'Amato, Governors Patacki and Whitman and that piece of
> >shit, Daniel Carver.
> >
> >KKK Karver says whatever he wants: "Niggers" are worse than animals, and
> >Jews are worse than "Niggers" ... and Howard (100% Jewish) says nothing,
> >and Robin (100% "nigger") laughs and treats him like he's a a legitimate
> >guest, worthy of respect.
> >
>
> Howard's letting this guy expose himself for the ass that he is.
Unfortunately, Karaver is being exposed to those listeners who already know
he's an ass. (It's like "preaching to the chorus.")
There are obviously hundreds of people who don't think he's as ass, and send
for his catalog. Some even join the KKK (according to Karver himself.) So how
funny is it if people take that racist, anti-Semitic sack of shit seriously?
Frankly, I think Karver and his KKK kronies are laughing at Howard and Robin.
>
>
> --
> Ron
> Tarzana, CA
Sid
Kazza wrote:
> Hi, Sid. IMHO, they don't treat him with respect; in fact, it's
> quite the contrary.
>
> The easiest way to expose a fool is to let him rant. If you listen to
> Howard's carefully placed comments, they are meant to be incendiary
> enough to get Carver all riled up so that they can laugh at him.
> Robin usually "challenges" him, and then dismisses him.
>
> What baffles me is the people who call up during the movie reviews to
> argue with him! As if the cretin possesses even the slightest bit of
> cognitive reasoning skills!
>
> In the words of Poe (the songwriter, not the poet): "Can't talk to a
> psycho like a normal human being..."
Hi Kazza,
With all due respect, I don't think we're listening to the same show. Even if
you're right, why would Howard have to use "carefully placed comments" when
dealing with that moron? He doesn't with anyone else ... does he? He speaks
loud and clear ... nothing careful about it.
And I've yet to hear Karver get "riled up so that they can laugh at him." In
fact, he always has an answer that to many may even seen klever.
As far as Robin is concerned, she has every right to call him "white trash"
or even worse. What do you think Howard would do if for once she reacted to
Karver like a proud black woman upon being called a "nigger" instead of
laughing like "black nose?"
Think about it. They're both being used/outsmarted by that racist sack of
shit and most of the audience is accepting and/or defending it. (Sheesh, even
the President of the United States can make a mistake, so why can't we see
that Howard is when it comes to Karver?.)
>
>
> On Sat, 08 Aug 1998 11:04:00 -0400, Sid <rh...@erols.com> wrote:
>
> >There are very few people Howard treats with total respect. Among them
> >are Senator D'Amato, Governors Patacki and Whitman and that piece of
> >shit, Daniel Carver.
> >
> >KKK Karver says whatever he wants: "Niggers" are worse than animals, and
> >Jews are worse than "Niggers" ... and Howard (100% Jewish) says nothing,
> >and Robin (100% "nigger") laughs and treats him like he's a a legitimate
> >guest, worthy of respect.
> >
Sid
I think a circumstantial evidence case can easily be made that Howard is a racist.
The things you point out, plus always asking guests if a lover/girl friend/wife,
etc. is white or black. Imagine any other talk show host asking questions like that
... I can't?
But if he is a racist, I believe he's a "benign racist" as opposed to a racist like
Karver who hates blacks ... and would like to see them leave the Country, or worse.
I think Howard likes blacks as indivduals, as most "benign racists" do. But Howard
does tend ot subscribe to, and/or perpetuate stereotypes (of all races). But it's
usually, in fun.
I see Daniel Karver as the exception since he gives him a free hand to say anything
he wants, while he and Robin carefully monitor their responses to the
inflammatory/stupid things he says.
Some would say it's funny, but I don't think so ... although Howard could easily
make it funny by asking him questions like: Do you sew your Klan hood from your
mother's bloomers, or something like that, (I admit I'm no joke writer.) He should
say something.
My point is that, IMO, Karver does more harm than good (since he goes
unchallenged), and I hope the "CBS suits" realize that fact before it's too late
for Howard's new show. Once he's in the main stream, I'm sure the press will see
his suck-up relationship with Karver as I do.
I honestly believe that by having Karver on as a "respected" guest, Howard is
simply guilty of displaying the same poor/immature taste he displays towards his
favorite TV shows, movies and music. In short, I think the man is a "genius" in
what he does, but simply has no taste.
XL Stussy wrote:
--
Sid
MOWBIE wrote:
> >From: Sid <rh...@erols.com>
>
> >KKK Karver says whatever he wants: "Niggers" are worse than animals, and
> >Jews are worse than "Niggers" ... and Howard (100% Jewish) says nothing,
> >and Robin (100% "nigger") laughs and treats him like he's a a legitimate
> >guest, worthy of respect.
>
> I feel the same way when they have NAMBLA people on. I can't get the joke about
> child rape. A lot of us have a line, it's just not the same line.
At least he shows no affection nor respect for NAMBLA ... and makes that fact
clear.
My point is, that if he insists of having Karver on, he should at least make him
feel uncomfortable. And that stupid, sack of shit certainly should inspire jokes
from Howard (and certainly from Jackie.) Looks to me like Howard has put out the
word to his staff to give Karver a free pass. He simply over estimates his
contribution to the show. Too bad. ;-(
>
>
> >Why do they allow Karver to promote his catalog
>
> This I do agree with. I have to assume he thinks if he didn't allow Dan his
> plug he'd lose him as a regular.
Where else can an asshole like Karver, get valuable free plugs? Howard need not
worry, he'll take a lot of shit to sell a lot of catalogs. If not, "good riddance
to bad rubbish."
And the fact that you can call him "Dan" shows the extent to which his audience has
been affected by Howard's acceptance of that stupid sack of shit. (IMO, most of
Howard's fans, (including blacks and jews) would probably shake Karver's hand if
they met him. Think about it. And than think if you still would if he didn't have
Howard's endorsement.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> The man who claims to be the boss in his own home will lie about other
> things as well -Amish saying
--
Sherri
: KKK Karver says whatever he wants: "Niggers" are worse than animals, and
: Jews are worse than "Niggers" ... and Howard (100% Jewish) says nothing,
: and Robin (100% "nigger") laughs and treats him like he's a a legitimate
: guest, worthy of respect.
: Why do they allow Karver to promote his catalog and sell his racist
: shit. and develop a fan club ... even to the point of gaining new KKK
: members (which Karver admitted on Friday)?
: I hope CBS has more sense that to allow Karver to use their new Howard
: Stern TV show as a "soapbox," with no "challenge" to his hateful
: comments from Howard, the one person that could, and should, bury him in
: a pile of his own racist shit
I have listened to the show every morning for years .. and I love even the
most twisted humor. And yes, I even find myself laughing at Daniel
Carver, mainly because he's so unbelievably stupid. But I have to agree
that it's not so cool that Daniel Karver is able to solicite more hatred
via Howard's show. I have a feeling that CBS won't go for it.
--
.. Sherri
********************************************
* "Life is what happens to you while *
* you're busy making other plans" *
* - John Lennon *
*******************************
Sid
Anon Guy wrote:
> On Sat, 08 Aug 1998 11:04:00 -0400, Sid <rh...@erols.com> wrote:
>
> >There are very few people Howard treats with total respect. Among them
> >are Senator D'Amato, Governors Patacki and Whitman and that piece of
> >shit, Daniel Carver.
> >
> >KKK Karver says whatever he wants: "Niggers" are worse than animals, and
> >Jews are worse than "Niggers" ... and Howard (100% Jewish) says nothing,
> >and Robin (100% "nigger") laughs and treats him like he's a a legitimate
> >guest, worthy of respect.
> >
> >Why do they allow Karver to promote his catalog and sell his racist
> >shit. and develop a fan club ... even to the point of gaining new KKK
> >members (which Karver admitted on Friday)?
> >
> >Even if Karver was funny, which IMHO he's not, why do Howard and Robin
> >allow themselves to be used ... to sell out to that dumb piece of shit?
> >In fact, Howard treats Karver with more respect that he does his own
> >mother, father and wife.
> >
> >I hope CBS has more sense that to allow Karver to use their new Howard
> >Stern TV show as a "soapbox," with no "challenge" to his hateful
> >comments from Howard, the one person that could, and should, bury him in
> >a pile of his own racist shit.
> >
> >BTW, I'm a big fan of the show, and listen to it every day. But I just
> >can't figure what Howard is thinking when it comes to Karver. If it's
> >his movie reviews, they're rarely funny but always predictable. Clearly,
> >Karver needs Howard a lot more than Howard needs Karver.
> >
> >Pardon me for going on for so long, but I had to get this off my chest.
> >I really like Howard, and hate to see him make a fool of himself. He's
> >giving a man who, by definition, hates him, his mother, father, wife,
> >children and his co-host ... a free pass. That's not the Howard Stern I
> >"know and love"
> >
> >A disappointed, avid Stern fan ... but not a sheep.
>
> See 'Quivers, A Life' Page 176. (The real life) Howard attacks a real
> estate agent for supporting segregated neighborhoods. This is while
> Robin was looking for an apartment.
>
> Robin describes the scene:
>
> Finally, Howard hit the ceiling and started screaming right in the
> middle of the real estate office, "Is it because she's black? This is
> bullshit! She's offering a decent price, and you're telling us there's
> nothing. Just give it to us straight!"
>
> Alison and I exchanged glances of disbelief, but when we got back to
> the car, he continued, "I'm telling you this is a race thing! You
> don't know these people. How dare they treat you like that. You're
> better than most of the white assholes they rent to every day. Those
> bastards!"
>
> AG
>
> (This won't be correctly threaded because of the long original subject
> line- over 70 characters does me in)
Thanks for that excerpt ... I hadn't read if before. But what does it have to
do with my point re Karver, Stern and Quivers?
FYI, I'm not saying Howard is a racist. All I'm saying is that he should be
confronting Karver and showing him for the asshole he is. Not just leaving it
up to people to see if for themselves ... which obviously many don't since
they buy his catalogs, racist merchandise, and even join the KKK.
Howard and Robin show Karver more respect than probably do his own kids. Tell
it like it is, Howard. If a man looks like an asshole, talks like an asshole,
chances are he is an asshole.
landcow82
Sherri wrote:
> : KKK Karver says whatever he wants: "Niggers" are worse than animals, and
> : Jews are worse than "Niggers" ... and Howard (100% Jewish) says nothing,
> : and Robin (100% "nigger") laughs and treats him like he's a a legitimate
> : guest, worthy of respect.
>
> : Why do they allow Karver to promote his catalog and sell his racist
> : shit. and develop a fan club ... even to the point of gaining new KKK
> : members (which Karver admitted on Friday)?
>
> : I hope CBS has more sense that to allow Karver to use their new Howard
> : Stern TV show as a "soapbox," with no "challenge" to his hateful
> : comments from Howard, the one person that could, and should, bury him in
Sid
landcow82 wrote:
> Carver is more honest than Damato or Pataki
That may or may not be true. But what is absolutely true is that he's more
stupid and hateful than either of them. If he were on fire, I wouldn't piss on
him.
--
Steve
>
>
>There are obviously hundreds of people who don't think he's as ass, and send
>for his catalog. Some even join the KKK (according to Karver himself.) So how
>funny is it if people take that racist, anti-Semitic sack of shit seriously?
>Frankly, I think Karver and his KKK kronies are laughing at Howard and Robin.
>
in their ever-blind defense of Howard by saying "It's just comedy"
don't realize the scores of equally-blind rejects who listen to
Carver's ramblings and join the Klan.
It's 100% true. Is that OK? I don't think so.
Steve
following information, but this letter will
have to suffice. What follows is a series of remarks addressed to the
readers of this letter and to
Daniel Carver himself. It is widely known and beyond dispute that his
henchmen are currently in the
streets, burning, robbing, and looting. Let me explain. He and his
associates are wolves in sheep's
clothing who will reward those who knowingly or unknowingly play along
with his nostrums while
punishing those who oppose them any day now.
Each liberated mind that examines all of the evidence is a break in
the chains that bind us all. It's a
pity. This serves as a reminder that only the assembled and
concentrated might of a national passion
rearing up in its strength can oppose evil wherever it rears its
diabolic head. People have pointed out
to me that the underlying reasons and causes for Carver's logorrheic
deeds must be defined,
examined, and resolved, or they'll never cease, but I still can't help
but think that Carver is possessed
by the devil. I agree that his maneuvers are not an isolated case of
duplicitous feudalism, but a typical
example of how prudish he can be. But I also think that questions of
his motivation and intent are
compelling.
He uses a rather uncivilized definition of "antiprestidigitation". I
wish I could say this nicely, but I
don't have much tolerance for ridiculous heavy metal fans: He is
basically a bad person. While there
is no evidence that Carver has made a big mistake, it is clear that we
can see the damage that is
done when Carver tries to cheat on taxes. I don't just believe that
his representatives lie about their
dissertations, and then, when we're all convinced that no harm will be
done, they force women to live
by restrictive standards not applicable to men; I can back that up
with facts. For instance, for every
dollar we spend to better our communities, he'll spend a thousand more
to make us dependent on
recalcitrant stupid-types for political representation, economic
support, social position, and
psychological approval. Are you still with me?
If you understand that we need the space and autonomy to fight the
effusions that hurt us, then you
can comprehend that those who are the most sensitive about this are
not the average whiney
swaggerers, but a minority of hypocritical adulterers. Carver is
secretly saying that I should just
puke. The most ignorant usurers you'll ever see generally claim that
he has no intention to strip
people of their rights to free expression and individuality, but
Carver's often-quoted bons mots belie
this notion. Imagine a world in which he could start wars, ruin the
environment, invent diseases, and
routinely do a hundred other things that kill people whenever he felt
like it. Take a good, close look
at yourself, Carver. What you'll probably find is that you're
obtrusive. Even though his sermons are
decidedly despised by everyone but the most insufferable fault-finders
you'll ever see, this does not
negate the fact that his assertions are based on prejudices and
preconceived notions.
I'm not saying this to be grumpy, but rather to explain that the
choice we face as a nation is whether
to run our country ourselves or let sadistic brutish lecherous-types
run it for us. I am on an important
mission to acknowledge that many of his slogans are seriously flawed,
frequently fail to meet minimal
standards of logic, and, on balance, are gruesome while remaining true
to those beliefs, ideals, and
aspirations we hold most dear. If I don't accomplish that mission, his
plans to toss sops to the egos
of the incompetent could well succeed.
A necessary first step towards recovery is to look at Carver with new
eyes, unclouded by a lifetime
of false information and deception propagated by hideous artisans.
Natural law is therefore the
fulcrum upon which rests the case that Carver is the great master of
deception. I must openly confess
that I know some beer-guzzling amnesiacs who feel they once overheard
him say, "I want to outrage
the very sensibilities of those who value freedom and fairness in the
near future". None but the
patronizing can deny that parasitism is irrelevant here. If anything,
the cure for corruption,
conspiracy, and treason must start by exposing the problem to people
who care and are not
themselves corrupted. Call me old-fashioned, but in my speaking
engagements, I have found in
audience questions an alarming increase in concern about impetuous
propagandists. There are two
flaws with Carver's proposed social programs: 1) Carver's secret
police always detect profound
wisdom in what is most incomprehensible to them personally, and 2)
Carver is missing not only the
point, but also the whole paradigm shift and huge sociological
implications. I myself attribute the
social and psychological problems of modern society to the fact that
the truth of this is by no means
limited to the field of general culture, but applies to politics as
well.
That doesn't necessarily mean that he is unable to deal with a world
populated by human beings.
Rather, it means that I find his failed attempts to seize control of
the power structure mildly amusing.
What so many people find difficult to grasp is that he can out-reason
condescending manipulators of
the public mind but not anyone else. Some will say I exaggerate, but,
actually, I'm being quite lenient.
I didn't mention, for example, that I need to spend some time
considering how best to restore the
world back to its original balance.
How will Carver's rank-and-file followers react when they discover
that Carver wants to acquire
public acceptance of his tasteless theories? Needless to say, he is
not known for interpreting facts
rationally or objectively. Imagine getting a dollar every time he said
he wouldn't convert lush forests
into arid deserts, but did so anyway. You'd be very, very rich. What
is often overlooked, however,
is that his wisecracks have served as a powerful weapon with which
vitriolic leeches can shatter and
ultimately destroy our most precious possessions.
Although we can occasionally tie the retailers of hectoring new claims
to older fabrications, there is
unfortunately no shortage of new rumor. Just don't expect consistency
from a man who is completely
and sincerely vainglorious. To bring the matter closer to home, let me
remind you that Carver's
half-measures need to be reassessed with Carver's ulterior motives in
mind. Although Carver's overt
McCarthyism has declined, a covert form still survives and may be an
important factor in fueling a
tendency and/or desire to spit on sacred icons. The fact that I don't
know how Carver can be so
primitive is distressing, to say the least. It would please him
greatly to create new (and reinforce
existing) prejudices and misconceptions. Is he out of his
semi-intelligible mind?
No one need be surprised if our culture's personification of the devil
as the symbol of all evil assumes
the living shape of Daniel Carver. Equally important is the fact that
bleeding-heart denominationalism
is one of the most effective tools of tyranny. For those of you who
don't know, he keeps coming up
with new ways to practice human sacrifice on a grand scale in some
sort of wayward frightful death
cult. His goal is not to oppose insecure exclusionism but to
reinvigorate it with a counter-productive
new purpose. He will progressively enlarge and increasingly centralize
the means of oppression,
exploitation, violence, and destruction faster than you can say
"electroencephalogram" -- not
necessarily by direct action, but by convincing his allies to shrink
the so-called marketplace of ideas
down to convenience-store size. The sole point of agreement between
myself and evil inarticulate
schmucks is that favoritism is the modern analogue of slavery. It's a
sad world where irascible
politically-incorrect half-wits have the power to demonize my family
and friends. So, sorry for being
so long-winded in this letter, but Daniel Carver's game is to dilute
the nation's sense of common
purpose and shared sacrifice.
God bless America.
Steve
Dogbert
if they are that easily swayed they would most likely join anyway.
anyone with any sense is going to see that everytime someone says
something bad about the klan and they hear the same reply from them.
have you ever argued with a racist? their argument is always to call
you a nigger or a nigger lover. best thing to do is let people like
him rant away. it is the wolf that you dont see that is the dangerous
one.
I dont have low self esteem, I have low esteem for everyone else.
Dogbert
Sid
Dogbert wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Aug 1998 00:41:26 GMT, sbr...@infi.net (Steve) wrote:
>
> >On Sun, 09 Aug 1998 09:41:48 -0400, Sid <rh...@erols.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>There are obviously hundreds of people who don't think he's as ass, and send
> >>for his catalog. Some even join the KKK (according to Karver himself.) So how
> >>funny is it if people take that racist, anti-Semitic sack of shit seriously?
> >>Frankly, I think Karver and his KKK kronies are laughing at Howard and Robin.
> >>
> >I think you're right on the money, Ron. These dumbbells who respond
> >in their ever-blind defense of Howard by saying "It's just comedy"
> >don't realize the scores of equally-blind rejects who listen to
> >Carver's ramblings and join the Klan.
> >
> >It's 100% true. Is that OK? I don't think so.
>
> if they are that easily swayed they would most likely join anyway.
Join how? You can't just look them up in the Yellow Pages.
But Howard let's him give out his phone number. Why make it so easy for that
asshole to sell his shit and recruit members?
> anyone with any sense is going to see that everytime someone says
> something bad about the klan and they hear the same reply from them.
> have you ever argued with a racist? their argument is always to call
> you a nigger or a nigger lover. best thing to do is let people like
> him rant away.
I disagree. The best thing to do is to expose him for the stupid sack of shit that
he is. And no one is more capable of doing that than Howard. So why doesn't he?
> it is the wolf that you dont see that is the dangerous
> one.
Or it's the wolf that you do see and don't shoot that's the dangerous one.
> I dont have low self esteem, I have low esteem for everyone else.
> Dogbert
Everyone is entitled to their own wrong opinion.
MOWBIE
>.................But if he is a racist, I believe he's a "benign racist" as
opposed to a
>racist like
>Karver who hates blacks ... and would like to see them leave the Country, or
>worse.
>
>I think Howard likes blacks as indivduals, as most "benign racists"
do............
I've never heard this term, "benign racist", would you define it?
MOWBIE
>I have listened to the show every morning for years .. and I love even the
>most twisted humor. And yes, I even find myself laughing at Daniel
>Carver, mainly because he's so unbelievably stupid. But I have to agree
>that it's not so cool that Daniel Karver is able to solicite more hatred
>via Howard's show. I have a feeling that CBS won't go for it.
>
>
When CBS starts drawing lines in the sand, thats the begining of the end of
Stern.
Sid
MOWBIE wrote:
> >From: Sid <rh...@erols.com>
>
> >.................But if he is a racist, I believe he's a "benign racist" as
> opposed to a
> >racist like
> >Karver who hates blacks ... and would like to see them leave the Country, or
> >worse.
> >
> >I think Howard likes blacks as indivduals, as most "benign racists"
> do............
>
> I've never heard this term, "benign racist", would you define it?
I made it up for the occasion. To me It means people that bear no ill will
towards blacks, have them as friends, hire them at work ... but would not want
their daughters to marry one.
Although they might subscribe to and /or promote the "black" stereotypes, they
judge blacks individually ... in short, nothing like Daniel KKKarver.
Hope this helps.
>
>
>
>
> The man who claims to be the boss in his own home will lie about other
> things as well -Amish saying
--
Sid
MOWBIE wrote:
> >From: Sherri <sh...@primenet.com>
>
> >I have listened to the show every morning for years .. and I love even the
> >most twisted humor. And yes, I even find myself laughing at Daniel
> >Carver, mainly because he's so unbelievably stupid. But I have to agree
> >that it's not so cool that Daniel Karver is able to solicite more hatred
> >via Howard's show. I have a feeling that CBS won't go for it.
> >
> >
>
> When CBS starts drawing lines in the sand, thats the begining of the end of
> Stern.
IMO, if they don't draw a line in the sand when it comes to KKKarver, that will
spell the end of the show. There is absolutely no "redeeming social value" for
giving KKKarver air time ... unless Howard "puts him through the mill" and
exposes him for the ignorant racist he is.
michael kuehne
Howard doesn't have to say anything to Daniel, he makes a big enough ass of him
self without
Howards help. Howard's not showing respect, he is bringing out the total idiotic
nature
of Daniel with each word he spouts.
mikel
Sid wrote:
> Anon Guy wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 08 Aug 1998 11:04:00 -0400, Sid <rh...@erols.com> wrote:
> >
> > >There are very few people Howard treats with total respect. Among them
> > >are Senator D'Amato, Governors Patacki and Whitman and that piece of
> > >shit, Daniel Carver.
> > >
> > >KKK Karver says whatever he wants: "Niggers" are worse than animals, and
> > >Jews are worse than "Niggers" ... and Howard (100% Jewish) says nothing,
> > >and Robin (100% "nigger") laughs and treats him like he's a a legitimate
> > >guest, worthy of respect.
> > >
> > >Why do they allow Karver to promote his catalog and sell his racist
> > >shit. and develop a fan club ... even to the point of gaining new KKK
> > >members (which Karver admitted on Friday)?
> > >
> > >Even if Karver was funny, which IMHO he's not, why do Howard and Robin
> > >allow themselves to be used ... to sell out to that dumb piece of shit?
> > >In fact, Howard treats Karver with more respect that he does his own
> > >mother, father and wife.
> > >
> > >I hope CBS has more sense that to allow Karver to use their new Howard
> > >Stern TV show as a "soapbox," with no "challenge" to his hateful
> > >comments from Howard, the one person that could, and should, bury him in
Sid
michael kuehne wrote:
> your so stupid you should stop listening to the show. If you pay attention,
> Howard doesn't have to say anything to Daniel, he makes a big enough ass of him
> self without
> Howards help. Howard's not showing respect, he is bringing out the total idiotic
> nature
> of Daniel with each word he spouts.
> mikel
Well genius, he's making such an ass of himself that people are buying that racist
shit from his catalog (that he sells via Howard). Plus similar minded asses are
joining the KKK according to KKKarver himself.
Unfortunately, not all Howard's listeners are as insightful and smart as you seem to
be. Some think KKKarver is kool and identify with him and his ignorant ideas. Do you
think the assholes that recruit KKK members off the air are any smarter than
KKKarver? I think not.
Let's look at it this way. Anyone who gets a plug on Howard's show pays a price ...
in either humiliation, aggravation, or "verbal castration." So I ask you genius, why
doesn't Howard make KKKarver pay the price for his plugs?
--
Words4
>IMO, if they don't draw a line in the sand when it comes to KKKarver, that
>will
>spell the end of the show. There is absolutely no "redeeming social value"
>for
>giving KKKarver air time ... unless Howard "puts him through the mill" and
>exposes him for the ignorant racist he is.
Expose Daniel for the ignorant racist he is? Geez, that's kinda like exposing
the sky as being blue. I think Howard, maybe wrongly so, figures people have
enough sense to see Daniel for what he is. I know Robin has blasted Daniel
plenty of times in the past and I guess she just got tired of yelling at him.
Not that an entertainment show really needs to have any " redeeming social
value", but I feel that having Daniel on does do a twisted sort of public
service, if nothing else than to remind people that there are still idiots like
him out there. No need for Howard to "put him through the mill", Daniel does a
great job of sounding stupid and ignorant all by himself. Besides, he's funny
as hell.
Patrick
Sid
Words4 wrote:
I think the operative phrase here is: " I think Howard, maybe wrongly so, figures
people have
enough sense to see Daniel for what he is."
There are evidently enough misguided people who still think KKKarver is kool since
they buy his racist crap from the catalog he promotes on the show. Plus how "stupid
and ignorant" can he sound to those people who contact him to join the klan? (Which
KKKarver bragged about on Friday's show.)
I know Howard is capable of making KKKarver look like krap ... and very unkool.
Those people, like yourself, who see KKKarver for what he is are not the ones to
worry about ... it's the others who are too ignorant to see Howard's subtleties.
IMO, Howard is now giving him just enough rope to lasso more business.
Robt. Miller
>
>There are evidently enough misguided people who still think KKKarver is kool since
>they buy his racist crap from the catalog he promotes on the show. Plus how "stupid
>and ignorant" can he sound to those people who contact him to join the klan? (Which
>KKKarver bragged about on Friday's show.)
What better way is there to keep an eye on them?
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MOWBIE
>> I've never heard this term, "benign racist", would you define it?
>
>I made it up for the occasion. To me It means people that bear no ill will
>towards blacks, have them as friends, hire them at work ... but would not
>want
>their daughters to marry one.
>
>Although they might subscribe to and /or promote the "black" stereotypes,
>they
>judge blacks individually ... in short, nothing like Daniel KKKarver.
>
>
Well, I guess I'm a benign racist except for that not wanting my daughter to
marry one. If I had a daughter who fell for an African-American I would not be
the happiest dad in the world. But only because this is the USA & I know what a
difficult time they would have. Marrage is difficult enuff w/o that shit.
Anyway, the Daniel Carvers of the world are not the ones who are the trouble.
They're too overt to sweat. It's the district judge, the county commisioner,
the school or church administrator or the influential business person who
salute the flag with their hands over their hearts, go to church every Sunday
and then behind closed doors sabotage every effort for full equality. Scum like
Jesse Helms pops to mind.
Sid
Robt. Miller wrote:
> In message <35CF5170...@erols.com> - Sid <rh...@erols.com> writes:
> >
> >There are evidently enough misguided people who still think KKKarver is kool since
> >they buy his racist crap from the catalog he promotes on the show. Plus how "stupid
> >and ignorant" can he sound to those people who contact him to join the klan? (Which
> >KKKarver bragged about on Friday's show.)
>
> What better way is there to keep an eye on them?
Who would keep an eye on who? How would that work? Please explain.
Sid
MOWBIE wrote:
> >From: Sid <rh...@erols.com>
>
> >> I've never heard this term, "benign racist", would you define it?
> >
> >I made it up for the occasion. To me It means people that bear no ill will
> >towards blacks, have them as friends, hire them at work ... but would not
> >want
> >their daughters to marry one.
> >
> >Although they might subscribe to and /or promote the "black" stereotypes,
> >they
> >judge blacks individually ... in short, nothing like Daniel KKKarver.
> >
> >
> Well, I guess I'm a benign racist except for that not wanting my daughter to
> marry one. If I had a daughter who fell for an African-American I would not be
> the happiest dad in the world. But only because this is the USA & I know what a
> difficult time they would have. Marrage is difficult enuff w/o that shit.
I agree.
> Anyway, the Daniel Carvers of the world are not the ones who are the trouble.
> They're too overt to sweat.
I disagree. I think it was a "kouple of KKKarvers" that dragged that black man to
pieces by his ankles behind their pickup truck. KKKarver's komment to Howard was
that it was OK, since it involved drugs. (So say's he.)
And they were pretty overt.
> It's the district judge, the county commisioner,
> the school or church administrator or the influential business person who
> salute the flag with their hands over their hearts, go to church every Sunday
> and then behind closed doors sabotage every effort for full equality. Scum like
> Jesse Helms pops to mind.
You may be right, but Howard doesn't promote them on his show.
Sid
"In order to act wisely it is not enough to be wise."
>
>
>
>
> The man who claims to be the boss in his own home will lie about other
> things as well -Amish saying
--
Dogbert
>
>
>Dogbert wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 10 Aug 1998 00:41:26 GMT, sbr...@infi.net (Steve) wrote:
>>
>> >On Sun, 09 Aug 1998 09:41:48 -0400, Sid <rh...@erols.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>There are obviously hundreds of people who don't think he's as ass, and send
>> >>for his catalog. Some even join the KKK (according to Karver himself.) So how
>> >>funny is it if people take that racist, anti-Semitic sack of shit seriously?
>> >>Frankly, I think Karver and his KKK kronies are laughing at Howard and Robin.
>> >>
>> >I think you're right on the money, Ron. These dumbbells who respond
>> >in their ever-blind defense of Howard by saying "It's just comedy"
>> >don't realize the scores of equally-blind rejects who listen to
>> >Carver's ramblings and join the Klan.
>> >
>> >It's 100% true. Is that OK? I don't think so.
>>
>> if they are that easily swayed they would most likely join anyway.
>
>Join how? You can't just look them up in the Yellow Pages.
have you ever been in the south? they are not hard to find. they
hold rallies all the time. daytona beach was a big meeting place in
fla.
Iami
catalog already were racists and in their own way in their own little world
were probably making life hard for blacks in some way or other. At least if
they listen to how Carver is held up to ridicule on Stern, maybe they will
examine their thinking.
Sid
Dogbert wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Aug 1998 00:10:08 -0400, Sid <rh...@erols.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >Dogbert wrote:
> >
> >> On Mon, 10 Aug 1998 00:41:26 GMT, sbr...@infi.net (Steve) wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Sun, 09 Aug 1998 09:41:48 -0400, Sid <rh...@erols.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>There are obviously hundreds of people who don't think he's as ass, and send
> >> >>for his catalog. Some even join the KKK (according to Karver himself.) So how
> >> >>funny is it if people take that racist, anti-Semitic sack of shit seriously?
> >> >>Frankly, I think Karver and his KKK kronies are laughing at Howard and Robin.
> >> >>
> >> >I think you're right on the money, Ron. These dumbbells who respond
> >> >in their ever-blind defense of Howard by saying "It's just comedy"
> >> >don't realize the scores of equally-blind rejects who listen to
> >> >Carver's ramblings and join the Klan.
> >> >
> >> >It's 100% true. Is that OK? I don't think so.
> >>
> >> if they are that easily swayed they would most likely join anyway.
> >
> >Join how? You can't just look them up in the Yellow Pages.
>
> have you ever been in the south? they are not hard to find. they
> hold rallies all the time. daytona beach was a big meeting place in
> fla.
But the vast majority of Howard's audience is not in the South.
Sid
"In order to act wisely it is not enough to be wise."
> >But Howard let's him give out his phone number. Why make it so easy for that
Sid
Iami wrote:
> All the people who listen to Carver and then join the Klan and buy from the
> catalog already were racists
Perhaps they were. But why make it easy for them to get racist merchandise and
join the Klan? (Isn't that like saying it's all right to sell guns to murderers
because they're already murderers?)
> and in their own way in their own little world
> were probably making life hard for blacks in some way or other. At least if
> they listen to how Carver is held up to ridicule on Stern, maybe they will
> examine their thinking.
The problem is I don't hear Howard ridiculing KKKarver. As far as I can tell, he
treats him with more respect than he does Jerry Seinfeld.
Sid
h...@now.com wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:00:48 -0400, Sid <rh...@erols.com> wrote:
>
> >> >IMO, if they don't draw a line in the sand when it comes to KKKarver, that
> >> >will
> >> >spell the end of the show. There is absolutely no "redeeming social value"
> >> >for
> >> >giving KKKarver air time ... unless Howard "puts him through the mill" and
> >> >exposes him for the ignorant racist he is.
>
> He's been getting air time for at least 7 years, so how long, exactly,
> after giving him the air time, do you think the show will end?
Once he's on the CBS Network, the censors and/or the main stream press will realize
that exposing KKKarver to a vast national audience will result in a lot of bad press
and negative viewer feedback. National sponsors wont touch him. No one wants to
sponsor the KKK.
Frankly, I doubt that KKKarver will ever make the new show. Mel Karmizan has too much
business sense to allow it ... and Howard respect Karmizan's judgment.
> >> Expose Daniel for the ignorant racist he is? Geez, that's kinda like exposing
> >> the sky as being blue. I think Howard, maybe wrongly so, figures people have
> >> enough sense to see Daniel for what he is. I know Robin has blasted Daniel
> >> plenty of times in the past and I guess she just got tired of yelling at him.
> >> Not that an entertainment show really needs to have any " redeeming social
> >> value", but I feel that having Daniel on does do a twisted sort of public
> >> service, if nothing else than to remind people that there are still idiots like
> >> him out there. No need for Howard to "put him through the mill", Daniel does a
> >> great job of sounding stupid and ignorant all by himself. Besides, he's funny
> >> as hell.
>
> The obvious doesn't need to be pointed out. Howard is simple providing a
> snapshot of America, (which is pretty much the case with everyone he talks
> to). Some people like to pretend that certain things don't exist. Robin
> doesn't pretend and that's why she doesn't mind having people like Carver
> on the show.
Are you telling me that in "real life" Robin wouldn't mind having KKKarver in her
home? Gimme a break. IMO, she should react to him on air, as she would in her home.
A "snapshot of America?" Man, I don't know what America you live in, but where I live
the KKK is not a factor. Nor are porn stars, or the other perverts and sickos Howard
has on. I think, for the most part, they're entertaining ... but they're certainly
not a snapshot of my America. As a matter of fact, Howard has them on because their so
weird and different ... and definitely not representative of America.
Sid
"In order to act wisely it is not enough to be wise."
>
>
> --Stern RealAudio archive
> http://come.to/heynow
--
Celtictu
If they were that ignorant in the first place, they probably wouldn't get how
stupid Carver is anyway. They are already close minded people. I wonder what
the average IQ is for a person who is in the kkk.
Annie
>From: "Iami" <zarieSE...@email.msn.com>
>All the people who listen to Carver and then join the Klan and buy from the
>catalog already were racists and in their own way in their own little world
Kazza
Personally, I think that Howard would let anything happen if he
thought that it would make for great radio. I think that he fans the
flames between the callers and Carver particularly for this reason.
Don't misunderstand me--when I say that he makes "carefully placed
comments," I don't mean that he handles him with kid gloves. I meant
that he waits until the fool stops spewing, and then offers up a
question that he knows will get him going again.
Do I think that Howard is a "benign racist?" Yeah. I do think that he
is scared to death of black men. I think that he buys into all of the
myths, particularly the sexual ones, and that makes him all the more
insecure. But do I think that he is sounding a racist call to arms?
No. (I think Jackie IS a card carrying racist and homophobe, however,
but that is a different thread...)
As for Robin, I think that she doesn't lay into Carver because she
can't be bothered. Speaking as a "proud black woman" myself, it's
obvious that the "tenets" that Carver holds to be true are based upon
fear and ignorance. So why stoop to his level and play into the myths
by cussing him out?
Robin has had a richly diversified and accomplished career. Carver's
greatest achievement is being white. Wow.
I think that Jerry Springer provides more of a forum for Klan
recruitment than Howard and Robin do. He does, on average, about five
Klan-related shows per season, in which they are given an hour to
spew their vitriol. The saddest part is that most of the people that
jump up in the audience to counter are a cross-section of the saddest
individuals ever--black or white, which "reinforces" the notion that
white is right. And Springer then offers up his "Final Thought," which
tells us that "it's wrong to hate." No shit. He needs to put on five
shows in a thirteen week period to get this point across?
I think that it's unfortunate that Daniel Carver exists, but I'm more
offended by the fact that he and his ilk prey upon those with a weak
sense of self than by the fifteen minute segments he does.
Kazza
(P.S. It's nice to read this thread and know that there are some
intelligent folks in this NG. and they say all of we HS fans are
morons...)
On Sun, 09 Aug 1998 09:59:25 -0400, Sid <rh...@erols.com> wrote:
>Hi Kazza,
>
>With all due respect, I don't think we're listening to the same show. Even if
>you're right, why would Howard have to use "carefully placed comments" when
>dealing with that moron? He doesn't with anyone else ... does he? He speaks
>loud and clear ... nothing careful about it.
>
>And I've yet to hear Karver get "riled up so that they can laugh at him." In
>fact, he always has an answer that to many may even seen klever.
>
>As far as Robin is concerned, she has every right to call him "white trash"
>or even worse. What do you think Howard would do if for once she reacted to
>Karver like a proud black woman upon being called a "nigger" instead of
>laughing like "black nose?"
>
>Think about it. They're both being used/outsmarted by that racist sack of
>shit and most of the audience is accepting and/or defending it. (Sheesh, even
>the President of the United States can make a mistake, so why can't we see
>that Howard is when it comes to Karver?.)
>
>
>
>
>
Sid
h...@now.com wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Aug 1998 23:29:30 -0400, Sid <rh...@erols.com> wrote:
>
> >Once he's on the CBS Network, the censors and/or the main stream press will realize
> >that exposing KKKarver to a vast national audience will result in a lot of bad press
> >and negative viewer feedback. National sponsors wont touch him. No one wants to
> >sponsor the KKK.
> >
> >Frankly, I doubt that KKKarver will ever make the new show. Mel Karmizan has too much
> >business sense to allow it ... and Howard respect Karmizan's judgment.
>
> First of all, Howard has already been working for CBS ever since
> Westinghouse bought out Infinity. If CBS, or Karmizan were going to stop
> the Daniel Carver bits, they would have done so by now. Second, there is
> no *new* show per se. It's still the same old radio show as always. What
> highlights are selected for TV remains to be seen and it's quite possible
> they will elect to not air certain things, just as the E! gave in to
> pressure and will not air the queefing episodes.
> But there's no reason to avoid airing the Carver bits...as E! has done. He
> doesn't represent the opinions of Howard or CBS. Having him on is not much
> different than 60 Minutes doing an interview with the KKK (except for the
> obvious humor aspect). Howard is just showing people what's out there, not
> endorsing it.
There's a big difference between the CBS Network and local radio stations or cable TV
channels. The former is "mainstream" and therefore will attract mainstream media criticism
and hopefully national sponsors. Remember when David Letterman switched to the CBS Network,
he started wearing tailored suits ... as opposed to slacks and white sneakers?
Well, if Howard wants to make it on the Network, he will have to make some changes also,
and I predict he's smart enough to edit KKKarver out. Why risk his show and losing
potential sponsors for that racist asshole? It will never happen!
> >Are you telling me that in "real life" Robin wouldn't mind having KKKarver in her
> >home?
>
> No, but she's not afraid to talk to him. There's not many people who make
> it into Robin's apartment.
It's not a question of fear. It's a question of pride and dignity. Proud black people don't
talk to Klan members. They might curse/berate them ... but they're not civil to them like
Robin is.
> >Gimme a break. IMO, she should react to him on air, as she would in her home.
>
> Why? What Robin does in her personal life is her choice and has absolutely
> nothing to do with the show.
I thought the show was about honesty? I also thought what she did on the show was her
choice ... or is Howard exerting pressure on her to back off?
> >A "snapshot of America?" Man, I don't know what America you live in, but where I live
> >the KKK is not a factor.
>
> The KKK is a part of our world, plain and simple.
So what else is new? So is AIDS and cancer.
> >Nor are porn stars, or the other perverts and sickos Howard
> >has on. I think, for the most part, they're entertaining ... but they're certainly
> >not a snapshot of my America. As a matter of fact, Howard has them on because their so
> >weird and different ... and definitely not representative of America.
>
> If they are in America, then they are a part of America. Just because you
> want to stick your head in the sand won't make them go away. Howard has
> them on because they are entertaining. Boring folks just don't generate
> the ratings. If you don't like it, don't listen. Howard will still be #1.
I admitted they were entertaining ... read what I said. I just maintain they're not "a
snapshot of America." A caricature maybe, but certainly not a snapshot.
And I think you're the one "sticking your head in the sand" when it come to KKKarver.
(Let's see if he makes it to the CBS Network show.)
Sid
Kazza wrote:
> Hey, Sid.
> Personally, I think that Howard would let anything happen if he
> thought that it would make for great radio. I think that he fans the
> flames between the callers and Carver particularly for this reason.
> Don't misunderstand me--when I say that he makes "carefully placed
> comments," I don't mean that he handles him with kid gloves. I meant
> that he waits until the fool stops spewing, and then offers up a
> question that he knows will get him going again.
Hi Kazza,
My problem is that I don't see Howard really getting to KKKarver. I know he's a
moron, so it probably will take more to push his buttons. But I know Howard could
do it if he really tried.
And the moronic listeners who are attracted to KKKarver, also have to clearly seem
him as the asshole he is. If you're right that Howard is trying to get him to
expose himself for the idiot he is, he should simply try harder. I've heard him
come back with some pretty sharp retorts ... and both Howard and Robin just laugh.
Not good, IMO.
> Do I think that Howard is a "benign racist?" Yeah. I do think that he
> is scared to death of black men. I think that he buys into all of the
> myths, particularly the sexual ones, and that makes him all the more
> insecure. But do I think that he is sounding a racist call to arms?
> No. (I think Jackie IS a card carrying racist and homophobe, however,
> but that is a different thread...)
Kazza, it's not Howard "sounding a racist call to arms" ... it's KKKarver with the
"implied endorsement" of Howard ... to some misguided listeners. Remember,
KKKarver does not appeal to the "sharpest knives in the draw" ... to quote a wise
man.;-) IMO, it's enough for Howard to give him air time (sans humiliation), and
plugs, to do the harm I'm ranting about.
> As for Robin, I think that she doesn't lay into Carver because she
> can't be bothered. Speaking as a "proud black woman" myself, it's
> obvious that the "tenets" that Carver holds to be true are based upon
> fear and ignorance. So why stoop to his level and play into the myths
> by cussing him out?
With all due respect, by not humiliating him in some way, they make him appear
human and/or acceptable to the "dull knives in the draw." Cussing him out would be
stooping to his level, but they're both capable of making him look like the stupid
sack of shit he is with some will chosen words or comments.
> Robin has had a richly diversified and accomplished career. Carver's
> greatest achievement is being white. Wow.
I agree. And being white myself, I wish KKKarver was not.
> I think that Jerry Springer provides more of a forum for Klan
> recruitment than Howard and Robin do. He does, on average, about five
> Klan-related shows per season, in which they are given an hour to
> spew their vitriol. The saddest part is that most of the people that
> jump up in the audience to counter are a cross-section of the saddest
> individuals ever--black or white, which "reinforces" the notion that
> white is right. And Springer then offers up his "Final Thought," which
> tells us that "it's wrong to hate." No shit. He needs to put on five
> shows in a thirteen week period to get this point across?
>
> I think that it's unfortunate that Daniel Carver exists, but I'm more
> offended by the fact that he and his ilk prey upon those with a weak
> sense of self than by the fifteen minute segments he does.
I'm afraid they go hand in hand. The fifteen minutes he's given, obviously
attracts "his ilk" since they buy both his act as well as his racist catalog
merchandise.
> Kazza
>
> (P.S. It's nice to read this thread and know that there are some
> intelligent folks in this NG. and they say all of we HS fans are
> morons...)
Thanks, and same to you. ;-)
Sid
"In order to act wisely it is not enough to be wise."
> On Sun, 09 Aug 1998 09:59:25 -0400, Sid <rh...@erols.com> wrote:
Kazza
>Kazza, it's not Howard "sounding a racist call to arms" ... it's KKKarver with the
>"implied endorsement" of Howard ... to some misguided listeners. Remember,
>KKKarver does not appeal to the "sharpest knives in the draw" ... to quote a wise
>man.;-) IMO, it's enough for Howard to give him air time (sans humiliation), and
>plugs, to do the harm I'm ranting about.
Sid, I have to disagree with you on this one. That's like saying that
having Scott Weiland on "endorses" drug use, and I think that there
are a lot more people out there who think that Weiland is cool and
would emulate his behaviour. And Howard and Robin both positively fawn
over him. You realize that I am painting this with a broad stroke, but
the point I am trying to make is that dumb, insecure people with no
self esteem will believe anything---period. I think that even if
Howard and Robin did rip Carver a new asshole, there would still be
some who accept Carver's "doctrine" as truth.
>With all due respect, by not humiliating him in some way, they make him appear
>human and/or acceptable to the "dull knives in the draw." Cussing him out would be
>stooping to his level, but they're both capable of making him look like the stupid
>sack of shit he is with some will chosen words or comments.
Unfortunately, regardless of what sort of ridiculous rhetoric (I like
alliteration) he spews, Carver IS human.
I agree that they can both be extremely scathing if they want to be.
But again, if someone is completely brainwashed, it's not going to
make any difference. And to tell you the truth, I think that Howard
constantly asking if the female guests are sleeping with "white
guys"and then breathing an exaggerated sigh of relief when they say
yes has more of a deleterious effect than Carver saying "niggers are
farm animals."
I think it would be awesome (and really effective) if they made
Carver the quizee in the Homeless Game... (Captain Janks, are you
reading this???)
>I agree. And being white myself, I wish KKKarver was not.
Hey! WE don't want him, either! ;)
>
>I'm afraid they go hand in hand. The fifteen minutes he's given, obviously
>attracts "his ilk" since they buy both his act as well as his racist catalog
>merchandise.
I always have to wonder what sort of person is so willing to fork over
their cash for this crap, but wouldn't wear it, say, at the local
Wal-Mart...
>
>> Kazza
>>
>> (P.S. It's nice to read this thread and know that there are some
>> intelligent folks in this NG. and they say all of we HS fans are
>> morons...)
>
>Thanks, and same to you. ;-)
Hey! Wouldja look at that! Racemixing in the newsgroups, and we're all
getting along! :)
Sid
Kazza wrote:
> >Kazza, it's not Howard "sounding a racist call to arms" ... it's KKKarver with the
> >"implied endorsement" of Howard ... to some misguided listeners. Remember,
> >KKKarver does not appeal to the "sharpest knives in the draw" ... to quote a wise
> >man.;-) IMO, it's enough for Howard to give him air time (sans humiliation), and
> >plugs, to do the harm I'm ranting about.
>
> Sid, I have to disagree with you on this one. That's like saying that
> having Scott Weiland on "endorses" drug use, and I think that there
> are a lot more people out there who think that Weiland is cool and
> would emulate his behaviour. And Howard and Robin both positively fawn
> over him.
Kazza, the difference here, as I see it is that Scott Weiland does not promote drug
use, whereas KKKarver promotes hate. I'd like to think that if Weiland did promote drug
use, Howard and Robin would react appropriately.
> You realize that I am painting this with a broad stroke, but
> the point I am trying to make is that dumb, insecure people with no
> self esteem will believe anything---period. I think that even if
> Howard and Robin did rip Carver a new asshole, there would still be some who accept
> Carver's "doctrine" as truth.
It's exactly the "dumb, insecure people with no self esteem" that are most susceptible
to KKKarver's hate doctrine. But, are you suggesting that we should give up on anti
drug education because "there would still be some who accept" drugs as a life style?
At worst, at least 95% of Howard's audience would feel a lot better if Howard and Robin
did, with wit and style, "rip Carver a new asshole" ... IMO. At best, he'll make some
misguided moron think twice about how kool KKKarver really is.
> >With all due respect, by not humiliating him in some way, they make him appear
> >human and/or acceptable to the "dull knives in the draw." Cussing him out would be
> >stooping to his level, but they're both capable of making him look like the stupid
> >sack of shit he is with some will chosen words or comments.
>
> Unfortunately, regardless of what sort of ridiculous rhetoric (I like
> alliteration) he spews, Carver IS human.
Yes, but he's a human that considers you an animal. I think Howard and Robin should
make that clear .. and make him pay for it.
> I agree that they can both be extremely scathing if they want to be.
> But again, if someone is completely brainwashed, it's not going to
> make any difference.
I'm hoping that at least a small percentage of Howard's vast audience (which still
translates into hundreds of thousands), are only partially brainwashed. It's those,
that may be "on the fence," that Howard and Robin could possibly save via giving that
asshole another one.
> And to tell you the truth, I think that Howard
> constantly asking if the female guests are sleeping with "white
> guys"and then breathing an exaggerated sigh of relief when they say
> yes has more of a deleterious effect than Carver saying "niggers are
> farm animals."
That bothers me also. But I don't think it "has more of a deleterious effect than
Carver saying niggers are farm animals" because it's said for a cheap laugh, and it's
"benign." I think the great majority of his audience sees it that way. Not the same for
KKKarver's komments.
> I think it would be awesome (and really effective) if they made
> Carver the quizee in the Homeless Game... (Captain Janks, are you
> reading this???)
Now your talking. Great idea ... but I'm afraid it'll never happen. ;-(
> >I agree. And being white myself, I wish KKKarver was not.
>
> Hey! WE don't want him, either! ;)
So it seems the only one who wants him is Howard. (Sorry, couldn't resist the straight
line.)
> >I'm afraid they go hand in hand. The fifteen minutes he's given, obviously
> >attracts "his ilk" since they buy both his act as well as his racist catalog
> >merchandise.
>
> I always have to wonder what sort of person is so willing to fork over
> their cash for this crap, but wouldn't wear it, say, at the local
> Wal-Mart...
I think you've just described the Howard Stern kloset klan listener.
> >
> >> Kazza
> >>
> >> (P.S. It's nice to read this thread and know that there are some
> >> intelligent folks in this NG. and they say all of we HS fans are
> >> morons...)
> >
> >Thanks, and same to you. ;-)
>
> Hey! Wouldja look at that! Racemixing in the newsgroups, and we're all
> getting along! :)
Right on, Sister.;-)
Dogbert
>
>
>Kazza wrote:
>
>> >Kazza, it's not Howard "sounding a racist call to arms" ... it's KKKarver with the
>> >"implied endorsement" of Howard ... to some misguided listeners. Remember,
>> >KKKarver does not appeal to the "sharpest knives in the draw" ... to quote a wise
>> >man.;-) IMO, it's enough for Howard to give him air time (sans humiliation), and
>> >plugs, to do the harm I'm ranting about.
>>
>> Sid, I have to disagree with you on this one. That's like saying that
>> having Scott Weiland on "endorses" drug use, and I think that there
>> are a lot more people out there who think that Weiland is cool and
>> would emulate his behaviour. And Howard and Robin both positively fawn
>> over him.
>
>Kazza, the difference here, as I see it is that Scott Weiland does not promote drug
>use, whereas KKKarver promotes hate. I'd like to think that if Weiland did promote drug
>use, Howard and Robin would react appropriately.
just breaking in here. hunter thompson and leary promoted drug use
and they never seemed to have a problem getting on the air. i dont
know if either of them ever were on howard but due to they were on the
air were the people having them on endorse drug use? i still say that
stern's listeners are smart enough to see carver as the idiot that he
is.
>> You realize that I am painting this with a broad stroke, but
>> the point I am trying to make is that dumb, insecure people with no
>> self esteem will believe anything---period. I think that even if
>> Howard and Robin did rip Carver a new asshole, there would still be some who accept
>> Carver's "doctrine" as truth.
>
>It's exactly the "dumb, insecure people with no self esteem" that are most susceptible
>to KKKarver's hate doctrine. But, are you suggesting that we should give up on anti
>drug education because "there would still be some who accept" drugs as a life style?
>
>At worst, at least 95% of Howard's audience would feel a lot better if Howard and Robin
>did, with wit and style, "rip Carver a new asshole" ... IMO. At best, he'll make some
>misguided moron think twice about how kool KKKarver really is.
>
>> >With all due respect, by not humiliating him in some way, they make him appear
>> >human and/or acceptable to the "dull knives in the draw." Cussing him out would be
>> >stooping to his level, but they're both capable of making him look like the stupid
>> >sack of shit he is with some will chosen words or comments.
>>
>> Unfortunately, regardless of what sort of ridiculous rhetoric (I like
>> alliteration) he spews, Carver IS human.
>
>Yes, but he's a human that considers you an animal. I think Howard and Robin should
>make that clear .. and make him pay for it.
>
>> I agree that they can both be extremely scathing if they want to be.
>> But again, if someone is completely brainwashed, it's not going to
>> make any difference.
>
>I'm hoping that at least a small percentage of Howard's vast audience (which still
>translates into hundreds of thousands), are only partially brainwashed. It's those,
>that may be "on the fence," that Howard and Robin could possibly save via giving that
>asshole another one.
>
>> And to tell you the truth, I think that Howard
>> constantly asking if the female guests are sleeping with "white
>> guys"and then breathing an exaggerated sigh of relief when they say
>> yes has more of a deleterious effect than Carver saying "niggers are
>> farm animals."
>
>That bothers me also. But I don't think it "has more of a deleterious effect than
>Carver saying niggers are farm animals" because it's said for a cheap laugh, and it's
>"benign." I think the great majority of his audience sees it that way. Not the same for
>KKKarver's komments.
>
>> I think it would be awesome (and really effective) if they made
>> Carver the quizee in the Homeless Game... (Captain Janks, are you
>> reading this???)
>
>Now your talking. Great idea ... but I'm afraid it'll never happen. ;-(
>
>> >I agree. And being white myself, I wish KKKarver was not.
>>
>> Hey! WE don't want him, either! ;)
>
>So it seems the only one who wants him is Howard. (Sorry, couldn't resist the straight
>line.)
>
>> >I'm afraid they go hand in hand. The fifteen minutes he's given, obviously
>> >attracts "his ilk" since they buy both his act as well as his racist catalog
>> >merchandise.
>>
>> I always have to wonder what sort of person is so willing to fork over
>> their cash for this crap, but wouldn't wear it, say, at the local
>> Wal-Mart...
>
>I think you've just described the Howard Stern kloset klan listener.
>
>> >
>> >> Kazza
>> >>
>> >> (P.S. It's nice to read this thread and know that there are some
>> >> intelligent folks in this NG. and they say all of we HS fans are
>> >> morons...)
>> >
>> >Thanks, and same to you. ;-)
>>
>> Hey! Wouldja look at that! Racemixing in the newsgroups, and we're all
>> getting along! :)
>
>Right on, Sister.;-)
>
>Sid
>"In order to act wisely it is not enough to be wise."
>
I dont have low self esteem, I have low esteem for everyone else.
Dogbert
Sid
Dogbert wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:39:59 -0400, Sid <rh...@erols.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >Kazza wrote:
> >
> >> >Kazza, it's not Howard "sounding a racist call to arms" ... it's KKKarver with the
> >> >"implied endorsement" of Howard ... to some misguided listeners. Remember,
> >> >KKKarver does not appeal to the "sharpest knives in the draw" ... to quote a wise
> >> >man.;-) IMO, it's enough for Howard to give him air time (sans humiliation), and
> >> >plugs, to do the harm I'm ranting about.
> >>
> >> Sid, I have to disagree with you on this one. That's like saying that
> >> having Scott Weiland on "endorses" drug use, and I think that there
> >> are a lot more people out there who think that Weiland is cool and
> >> would emulate his behaviour. And Howard and Robin both positively fawn
> >> over him.
> >
> >Kazza, the difference here, as I see it is that Scott Weiland does not promote drug
> >use, whereas KKKarver promotes hate. I'd like to think that if Weiland did promote drug
> >use, Howard and Robin would react appropriately.
>
> just breaking in here. hunter thompson and leary promoted drug use
> and they never seemed to have a problem getting on the air. i dont
> know if either of them ever were on howard but due to they were on the
> air were the people having them on endorse drug use? i still say that
> stern's listeners are smart enough to see carver as the idiot that he
> is
Are you saying that ALL of Howard's listeners are smart enough to see KKKarver for "the
idiot that he is?" I don't think you really believe that.
So let's assume that 95% of them do. That still leaves about 1,000,000 listeners who might
be misguided enough to buy KKKarver's act, and racist katalog shit. (I've heard that Howard
has about 20 million listeners.)
His audience is huge, and that's why advertisers love the show, and why KKkarver gives out
his phone number for his katalog.
Frankly, based on some of the call ins, my estimate of idiots in his audience might be low.
> .
>
> >> You realize that I am painting this with a broad stroke, but
> >> the point I am trying to make is that dumb, insecure people with no
> >> self esteem will believe anything---period. I think that even if
> >> Howard and Robin did rip Carver a new asshole, there would still be some who accept
> >> Carver's "doctrine" as truth.
> >
> >It's exactly the "dumb, insecure people with no self esteem" that are most susceptible
> >to KKKarver's hate doctrine. But, are you suggesting that we should give up on anti
> >drug education because "there would still be some who accept" drugs as a life style?
> >
> >At worst, at least 95% of Howard's audience would feel a lot better if Howard and Robin
> >did, with wit and style, "rip Carver a new asshole" ... IMO. At best, he'll make some
> >misguided moron think twice about how kool KKKarver really is.
> >
> >> >With all due respect, by not humiliating him in some way, they make him appear
> >> >human and/or acceptable to the "dull knives in the draw." Cussing him out would be
> >> >stooping to his level, but they're both capable of making him look like the stupid
> >> >sack of shit he is with some will chosen words or comments.
> >>
> >> Unfortunately, regardless of what sort of ridiculous rhetoric (I like
> >> alliteration) he spews, Carver IS human.
> >
> >Yes, but he's a human that considers you an animal. I think Howard and Robin should
> >make that clear .. and make him pay for it.
> >
> >> I agree that they can both be extremely scathing if they want to be.
> >> But again, if someone is completely brainwashed, it's not going to
> >> make any difference.
> >
> >I'm hoping that at least a small percentage of Howard's vast audience (which still
> >translates into hundreds of thousands), are only partially brainwashed. It's those,
> >that may be "on the fence," that Howard and Robin could possibly save via giving that
> >asshole another one.
> >
> >> And to tell you the truth, I think that Howard
> >> constantly asking if the female guests are sleeping with "white
> >> guys"and then breathing an exaggerated sigh of relief when they say
> >> yes has more of a deleterious effect than Carver saying "niggers are
> >> farm animals."
> >
> >That bothers me also. But I don't think it "has more of a deleterious effect than
> >Carver saying niggers are farm animals" because it's said for a cheap laugh, and it's
> >"benign." I think the great majority of his audience sees it that way. Not the same for
> >KKKarver's komments.
> >
> >> I think it would be awesome (and really effective) if they made
> >> Carver the quizee in the Homeless Game... (Captain Janks, are you
> >> reading this???)
> >
> >Now your talking. Great idea ... but I'm afraid it'll never happen. ;-(
> >
> >> >I agree. And being white myself, I wish KKKarver was not.
> >>
> >> Hey! WE don't want him, either! ;)
> >
> >So it seems the only one who wants him is Howard. (Sorry, couldn't resist the straight
> >line.)
> >
> >> >I'm afraid they go hand in hand. The fifteen minutes he's given, obviously
> >> >attracts "his ilk" since they buy both his act as well as his racist catalog
> >> >merchandise.
> >>
> >> I always have to wonder what sort of person is so willing to fork over
> >> their cash for this crap, but wouldn't wear it, say, at the local
> >> Wal-Mart...
> >
> >I think you've just described the Howard Stern kloset klan listener.
> >
> >> >
> >> >> Kazza
> >> >>
> >> >> (P.S. It's nice to read this thread and know that there are some
> >> >> intelligent folks in this NG. and they say all of we HS fans are
> >> >> morons...)
> >> >
> >> >Thanks, and same to you. ;-)
> >>
> >> Hey! Wouldja look at that! Racemixing in the newsgroups, and we're all
> >> getting along! :)
> >
> >Right on, Sister.;-)
> >
> >Sid
> >"In order to act wisely it is not enough to be wise."
> >
>
Kazza
>
>Are you saying that ALL of Howard's listeners are smart enough to see KKKarver for "the
>idiot that he is?" I don't think you really believe that.
>
You're right, I don't. I live in New York, so I KNOW that a
significant number of snapperheads that call up are based in our
tri-state area.
>So let's assume that 95% of them do. That still leaves about 1,000,000 listeners who might
>be misguided enough to buy KKKarver's act, and racist katalog shit. (I've heard that Howard
>has about 20 million listeners.)
>
>His audience is huge, and that's why advertisers love the show, and why KKkarver gives out
>his phone number for his katalog.
>
>Frankly, based on some of the call ins, my estimate of idiots in his audience might be low.
>
Sadly, I have to concur.
>
>
>
Dogbert
no i dont believe all of them are smart enough. but do you think
people are going to hear him and think hey i will join the klan? the
klan has been around for over a hundred years and how big is there
active membership? most people see them as a lunatic fringe and
ignore them. i am more worried about people that are not openly
racist. they pose a greater danger. they convince people more
subtlely because they do it in a more rational tone. i see actors
pushing scientology but i am not going to go out and join it.
Robt. Miller
>
>>
>> What better way is there to keep an eye on them?
>
>Who would keep an eye on who? How would that work? Please explain.
The easiest way for the government to keep tabs on KKK and militia type
organizations is by mailing lists and internet web hits.
Jules
snip... snip...
<SNIP>
Donnie
<35ce4254...@news.akron.infi.net>...
> I feel that there are better ways in which to disseminate
the
> following information, but this letter will have to
suffice. > What follows is a series of remarks addressed to
the
> readers of this letter and to Daniel Carver himself.
>
>----------------------SNIP------------------------<
Yes, I agree, but as I sit in sad repose as I put finger to
keyboard concerning an issue I find most deeply disturbing.
Unless you share my view that my motivations for writing this
letter are not of insult or hatred, but of the deepest love
for mankind and the truest concern for its future
generations, there's no need for you to hear me further.
Daniel Carver couldn't promote the worthless campaigns of
loquacious schemers if his life depended on it, which it
doesn't.
It doesn't take a genius to figure out that a day without
Carver would be like a day without morally-questionable
imperialism. Nativism can be deadly, but Carver's litanies
are much worse. The simple, regrettable truth is that the
issue of what to do about sniveling predatory nitwits is a
hopelessly tangled and complicated issue, impossible to
discuss due to the intensity with which each side holds its
beliefs. Imagine a world in which he could convince
homophobic hidebound insurrectionists that there is
absolutely nothing they can do to better their lot in life
besides joining him whenever he felt like it. It is of
paramount importance not to let Carver's operatives create
massive civil unrest. Despite the fact that Carver's
platitudes set the intellectual and moral stage for a new
wave of immature policies that seek to evade responsibility,
the only appropriate attitudes in a society overrun by
nefarious rubes are fear and distrust. While it is not my
purpose to incriminate or exculpate or vindicate or
castigate, Carver's fixation with the worst classes of raving
unrestrained jokers there are is hideous. Even though Carver
presents a public face that avoids overt diabolism, it is not
too far-fetched to claim that Carver's effete past resonates
in his current schemes.
A trip to your local library would reveal that the choice we
face as a nation is whether to run our country ourselves or
let choleric rapscallions run it for us. If I may be
permitted to make an observation, attempts to remove
society's moral barriers and allow perversion to prosper are
a de facto, if not a de jure, example of callow
unilateralism. All such combinations of audacity with
ignorance would be supremely ridiculous but for one
consideration: Creating needed understanding is best achieved
in a calm, rational environment. Consequently, Carver is
possessed by the DEVIL. While everybody believes in
something, his simple faith in priggism will undoubtedly defy
the law of the land. The dominant characteristic of his
pharisaism-oriented invectives is not that they sell quack
pharmaceutical supplies [and you should be suspicious
whenever you hear such telltale words and phrases as
"breakthrough", "miracle", "secret remedy", "exclusive", and
"clinical studies prove that..."], but that in the bargain,
they make empty promises. Although some offensive curmudgeons
concede that he has the gall to think that petulant
virulent types aren't ever slovenly, they invariably deny
that there are some disingenuous prophets of favoritism out
there who care nothing for you or your cherished complaints.
Let me close where I began: Militarism has nothing to do with
factionalism.
God save us all.
Sid
Alfie wrote:
> Sid wrote:
> >
> > There are very few people Howard treats with total respect. Among them
> > are Senator D'Amato, Governors Patacki and Whitman and that piece of
> > shit, Daniel Carver.
> >
> > KKK Karver says whatever he wants: "Niggers" are worse than animals, and
> > Jews are worse than "Niggers" ... and Howard (100% Jewish) says nothing,
> > and Robin (100% "nigger") laughs and treats him like he's a a legitimate
> > guest, worthy of respect.
>
> C'mon Sid, lighten up. Stern doesn't give Carver any respect! Stern has
> always had weird and strange people on his show. It doesn't mean they
> reflect his views. Besides, aren't you being a little too
> sensitive....SID??
>
> Alfie
Alfie,
You entered this thread pretty late. Please read the prior posts and I think
you'll see where I'm coming from. And I don't honestly think I'm being too
sensitive.
Sid
Dogbert wrote:
He told Howard they did, plus they buy racost shit from his catalog.
> the
> klan has been around for over a hundred years and how big is there
> active membership?
However, big it is, it's too big. How many klansman does it take to drag a black man to pieces
behind a pickup truck? Two.
> most people see them as a lunatic fringe and
> ignore them.
Except for the ones that don't.
> i am more worried about people that are not openly
> racist. they pose a greater danger. they convince people more
> subtlely because they do it in a more rational tone.
You're right ... but my comments are confined to the Howard Stern show ... not to Society in
general..
> i see actors
> pushing scientology but i am not going to go out and join it.
Neither am I. But what harm would be done if we did? (Are you really comparing them to the KKK?
Gimme a break.)
Sid
Robt. Miller wrote:
> In message <35CF5BC0...@erols.com> - Sid <rh...@erols.com> writes:
> >
> >>
> >> What better way is there to keep an eye on them?
> >
> >Who would keep an eye on who? How would that work? Please explain.
>
> The easiest way for the government to keep tabs on KKK and militia type
> organizations is by mailing lists and internet web hits.
I see what you mean. But keeping "tabs on them" doesn't really prevent them
from doing whatever shit it is they do. If it did, they'd be totally harmless
... which they're not.
Sid
"In order to act wisely it is not enough to be wise."
>
>
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Donnie wrote:
So what's your answer to my question?
Robt. Miller
>
>I see what you mean. But keeping "tabs on them" doesn't really prevent them
>from doing whatever shit it is they do. If it did, they'd be totally harmless
Seems like the KKK could be stopped with a couple packs of sparklers - maybe
augmented with kerosene filled squirtguns. FWOOMP!
rose...@pilot.msu.edu
sbr...@infi.net (Steve) wrote:
> I think you're right on the money, Ron. These dumbbells who respond
> in their ever-blind defense of Howard by saying "It's just comedy"
> don't realize the scores of equally-blind rejects who listen to
> Carver's ramblings and join the Klan.
>
> It's 100% true. Is that OK? I don't think so.
>
I've always had the impression that Howard was using racism to make fun of
the racists. Everything that spews out of Daniel's mouth is hilarious because
he appears to be a nice guy yet he talks trash. He humanizes racism, yet we
(hopefully) still can realize what a load of BS it is. If Daniel was a
typical KKK guy who has violent tendencies, I do not think he's be so funny.
Also, how often do we get to hear a KKK guy at length? With Daniel, we know
(again, hopefully) that his propaganda is just a crock. The irony is that
there are plenty of people out there who think they are not racist yet laugh
at Daniel; in reality they should look at themselves.
Sorry for the babbling.
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Sid
rose...@pilot.msu.edu wrote:
> In article <35ce4158...@news.akron.infi.net>,
> sbr...@infi.net (Steve) wrote:
>
> > I think you're right on the money, Ron. These dumbbells who respond
> > in their ever-blind defense of Howard by saying "It's just comedy"
> > don't realize the scores of equally-blind rejects who listen to
> > Carver's ramblings and join the Klan.
> >
> > It's 100% true. Is that OK? I don't think so.
> >
>
> I've always had the impression that Howard was using racism to make fun of
> the racists. Everything that spews out of Daniel's mouth is hilarious because
> he appears to be a nice guy yet he talks trash. He humanizes racism, yet we
> (hopefully) still can realize what a load of BS it is. If Daniel was a
> typical KKK guy who has violent tendencies, I do not think he's be so funny.
> Also, how often do we get to hear a KKK guy at length? With Daniel, we know
> (again, hopefully) that his propaganda is just a crock. The irony is that
> there are plenty of people out there who think they are not racist yet laugh
> at Daniel; in reality they should look at themselves.
>
> Sorry for the babbling.
I think the operative word in your comments is "hopefully."
That is, "hopefully" the Germans thought Hitler's propaganda was "just a crock."
IMO, being "hopeful" in the face of hate mongers is a luxury I don't think we can
afford.
To repeat a point I made earlier in this thread, if only 5 percent of Howard's
audience doesn't see KKKarver's propaganda as "a crock" .... you're still talking
1,000,000 people (according to an estimate I heard that Howard's total audience
is 20 million.)
I don't know about you, but to me that's scary.
Sid
"In order to act wisely it is not enough to be wise."
>
>
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have you taken a look at what they do to some of their members? mind
control and other assorted nastiness. some of their members have
turned up dead. they sue anyone that prints anything negative about
them and they are slowly taking over the city of clearwater. yes i
find them growing even more dangerous because they have more power, a
larger membership, and the protection of being a religion. at least
the klan has to pay taxes.
>Sid
>"In order to act wisely it is not enough to be wise."
>
<snip>
Sid
Dogbert wrote:
> have you taken a look at what they do to some of their members? mind
> control and other assorted nastiness. some of their members have
> turned up dead. they sue anyone that prints anything negative about
> them and they are slowly taking over the city of clearwater. yes i
> find them growing even more dangerous because they have more power, a
> larger membership, and the protection of being a religion. at least
> the klan has to pay taxes.
Wow, all I can say is ... everyone is entitled to their own wrong opinion. ;-)
> >Sid
> >"In order to act wisely it is not enough to be wise."
> >
> <snip>
> I dont have low self esteem, I have low esteem for everyone else.
> Dogbert
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Dogbert
>> >
>> >> i see actors
>> >> pushing scientology but i am not going to go out and join it.
>> >
>> >Neither am I. But what harm would be done if we did? (Are you really comparing them to the KKK?
>> >Gimme a break.)
>>
>> control and other assorted nastiness. some of their members have
>> turned up dead. they sue anyone that prints anything negative about
>> them and they are slowly taking over the city of clearwater. yes i
>> find them growing even more dangerous because they have more power, a
>> larger membership, and the protection of being a religion. at least
>> the klan has to pay taxes.
>
>Wow, all I can say is ... everyone is entitled to their own wrong opinion. ;-)
do you fear militias as much as you fear the klan? many of them have
the same agenda. they say the government has been giving too much of
its resources to minorites.
>> >Sid
>> >"In order to act wisely it is not enough to be wise."
>> >
>> <snip>
Sid
Dogbert wrote:
> <snip>
> >> >
> >> >> i see actors
> >> >> pushing scientology but i am not going to go out and join it.
> >> >
> >> >Neither am I. But what harm would be done if we did? (Are you really comparing them to the KKK?
> >> >Gimme a break.)
> >>
> >> have you taken a look at what they do to some of their members? mind
> >> control and other assorted nastiness. some of their members have
> >> turned up dead. they sue anyone that prints anything negative about
> >> them and they are slowly taking over the city of clearwater. yes i
> >> find them growing even more dangerous because they have more power, a
> >> larger membership, and the protection of being a religion. at least
> >> the klan has to pay taxes.
> >
> >Wow, all I can say is ... everyone is entitled to their own wrong opinion. ;-)
>
> do you fear militias as much as you fear the klan? many of them have
> the same agenda. they say the government has been giving too much of
> its resources to minorites.
Dogbert, forgive me, but I'd rather not go off topic. Militias really don't interest me ... unless they
suddenly appear on Howard's show.
> >> >Sid
> >> >"In order to act wisely it is not enough to be wise."
> >> >
> >> <snip>
> >> I dont have low self esteem, I have low esteem for everyone else.
> >> Dogbert
>
> I dont have low self esteem, I have low esteem for everyone else.
> Dogbert
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Sid wrote in message <35D2049B...@erols.com>...
<snip snip... dammit... SNIP>
(My snippers are getting worn out :-) )
>Dogbert, forgive me, but I'd rather not go off topic. Militias really don't
interest me ... unless they
>suddenly appear on Howard's show.
>
OK boys... can we agree to disagree now and talk about something else?
Julie
<sniiiipppp>
Jules
this alllll the time (well, not relative to Howard...). I had to
unsubscribe... made my brain hurt too much :-) .
Jules wrote in message <6qt0mo$1f0$1...@winter.news.erols.com>...
Sid
Jules wrote:
> Sid wrote in message <35D2049B...@erols.com>...
> <snip snip... dammit... SNIP>
>
> (My snippers are getting worn out :-) )
>
> >Dogbert, forgive me, but I'd rather not go off topic. Militias really don't
> interest me ... unless they
> >suddenly appear on Howard's show.
> >
>
> OK boys... can we agree to disagree now and talk about something else?
>
> Julie
Didn't realize we were boring you ... "Jules the Snipper."
Are you, by any chance, related to "Jack the Ripper?"
Sid
"In order to act wisely it is not enough to be wise."
>
>
> <sniiiipppp>
Sid
Jules wrote:
> BTW... you guys might really dig dc.general. They argue about shit like
> this alllll the time (well, not relative to Howard...). I had to
> unsubscribe... made my brain hurt too much :-) .
How come this topic "hurts your brain," but "Ralph is a dick" doesn't.
Could it be you're really a peckerhead. ;-)
Sid
"In order to act wisely it is not enough to be wise."
>
>
> Jules wrote in message <6qt0mo$1f0$1...@winter.news.erols.com>...
> >
> >Sid wrote in message <35D2049B...@erols.com>...
> ><snip snip... dammit... SNIP>
> >
> >(My snippers are getting worn out :-) )
> >
> >>Dogbert, forgive me, but I'd rather not go off topic. Militias really
> don't
> >interest me ... unless they
> >>suddenly appear on Howard's show.
> >>
> >
> >OK boys... can we agree to disagree now and talk about something else?
> >
> >Julie
> >
> ><sniiiipppp>
> >
> >
Douggal Entendre
In the old All in the Family Show, Archie Bunker was a bigot that everyone
made fun of. It was also understood that many people were laughing along
with him, and not at him. That's a subtext that made it funny, that you
were also laughing at the people who were on Archie's side.
So Daniel Carver is not that different, he's just more extreme. Howard has
a knack for taking old material and reworking it, taking it farther,
writing it tighter, and delivering it better than the originators. Daniel
is really way over the top, a lunatic racist. If Daniel Carver were simply
a bigot like Archie, it wouldn't be funny. It would be tired.
Sid
Douggal Entendre wrote:
> In article <35D21F3B...@erols.com>, Sid <rh...@erols.com> wrote:
> In the old All in the Family Show, Archie Bunker was a bigot that everyone
> made fun of. It was also understood that many people were laughing along
> with him, and not at him. That's a subtext that made it funny, that you
> were also laughing at the people who were on Archie's side.
>
> So Daniel Carver is not that different, he's just more extreme. Howard has
> a knack for taking old material and reworking it, taking it farther,
> writing it tighter, and delivering it better than the originators. Daniel
> is really way over the top, a lunatic racist. If Daniel Carver were simply
> a bigot like Archie, it wouldn't be funny. It would be tired.
Forgetting the fact that Archie Bunker was a fictional character and wasn't
recruiting Klan members, or selling racist shit from a catalog, he was
cleverly written and consistently funny. I still laugh at the reruns which
hold up extremely well.
I don't see how you can compare a well written fictional, "lovable bigot" to a
living, breathing hateful racist moronic piece of shit. And you think Howard
is writing a tight script for this tight ass? If he is, than Howard should see
yet a third psychiatrist. But I'm pretty sure Howard doesn't write for
KKKarver ... he just let's him say whatever he wants.
Howard takes pride in not being afraid to say what other people are thinking.
But when it comes to KKKarver, I doubt that he even say's what he's thinking
... let alone what most of his audience is thinking. If his show is about
honesty, he should react to KKKarver as he would if he met him at a party.
Knowing how much he hate's jews, I doubt Howard would be civil to that ass
wipe.
Sid
"In order to act wisely it is not enough to be wise."
>
>
Jules
After awhile of reading the same opinion repeated over and over and over
again I wanted to poke my eyes out. They debate some great stuff in
dc.general but the threads... and they are looonnnggg... end up being the
same way. How many times can you read "Clinton should be impeached!" and
"Starr is an asshole"?
That's what I meant about my brain hurting.
However, I will admit, I find talking about Ralph being a dick a lot more
entertaining :-) .
BTW, just so you don't think I am a complete peckerhead...
The Carver movie reviews make me uncomfortable. Back when Howard would goof
on those idiotic messages on that answering machine, well, I thought that
was funny and that Howard did try and expose the ridiculousness of that very
frightening individual. But the movie reviews... this is different... plus
I could give a rat's ass what he thinks about what movies.
So I was agreeing with most of the thread and simply didn't have anything to
add to it. I could see both points of view...
Julie
Sid
Jules wrote:
> It's not the topic... I tracked with it for, say, the first 5 billion posts.
> After awhile of reading the same opinion repeated over and over and over
> again I wanted to poke my eyes out.
Wouldn't be consistent to change my opinion, now would it? I'd love to vary my
responses, but the questions/comments are repetitious. Guess you just have to
snip/skip the posts.
> They debate some great stuff in
> dc.general but the threads... and they are looonnnggg... end up being the
> same way. How many times can you read "Clinton should be impeached!" and
> "Starr is an asshole"?
Doesn't interest me, so I don't read them. Same for the "Ralph is a dick" posts
in this ng.
>
>
> That's what I meant about my brain hurting.
>
> However, I will admit, I find talking about Ralph being a dick a lot more
> entertaining :-) .
Guess you're interest in "dicks" is a lot more intense than is mine. ;-)
>
>
> BTW, just so you don't think I am a complete peckerhead...
>
> The Carver movie reviews make me uncomfortable. Back when Howard would goof
> on those idiotic messages on that answering machine, well, I thought that
> was funny and that Howard did try and expose the ridiculousness of that very
> frightening individual. But the movie reviews... this is different... plus
> I could give a rat's ass what he thinks about what movies.
>
> So I was agreeing with most of the thread and simply didn't have anything to
> add to it. I could see both points of view...
>
> Julie
Now you tell me. Well Julie, glad to see you're interest goes beyond "dicks."
rose...@pilot.msu.edu
Sid <rh...@erols.com> wrote:
\
>
> I think the operative word in your comments is "hopefully."
Well, I said "hopefully" because I do not know if someone is going to share
my view.
>
> That is, "hopefully" the Germans thought Hitler's propaganda was "just a crock."
>
Oh, please.
> IMO, being "hopeful" in the face of hate mongers is a luxury I don't think we can
> afford.
>
They have a right to be ignorant.
> To repeat a point I made earlier in this thread, if only 5 percent of Howard's
> audience doesn't see KKKarver's propaganda as "a crock" .... you're still talking
> 1,000,000 people (according to an estimate I heard that Howard's total audience
> is 20 million.)
I didn't have the patience to read the other stuff (was just surfing to see
if others thought the "beautiful" intern was a bitch too), but those
perceived 1 million people will believe what they want to believe, KKKarver
or no KKKarver. They will find the reinforcements elsewhere.
>
> I don't know about you, but to me that's scary.
>
It is no scarier than those slobs in Brooklyn who are beating off to Howard's
banter with strippers. There are losers everywhere, whether they are racists
or sexual sociopaths.
Remember, on "Butt Bongo Fiesta," Howard said, "Our listeners are scary!"
Sid
rose...@pilot.msu.edu wrote:
> In article <35D1DD2E...@erols.com>,
> Sid <rh...@erols.com> wrote:
> \
> >
> > I think the operative word in your comments is "hopefully."
>
> Well, I said "hopefully" because I do not know if someone is going to share
> my view.
>
> >
> > That is, "hopefully" the Germans thought Hitler's propaganda was "just a crock."
> >
>
> Oh, please.
IMO, not a really responsive comment. I'm sure you can do better.
> > IMO, being "hopeful" in the face of hate mongers is a luxury I don't think we can
> > afford.
> >
>
> They have a right to be ignorant.
Maybe we should amend the "Bill of Rights" to include your novel suggestion..
> > To repeat a point I made earlier in this thread, if only 5 percent of Howard's
> > audience doesn't see KKKarver's propaganda as "a crock" .... you're still talking
> > 1,000,000 people (according to an estimate I heard that Howard's total audience
> > is 20 million.)
>
> I didn't have the patience to read the other stuff (was just surfing to see
> if others thought the "beautiful" intern was a bitch too), but those
> perceived 1 million people will believe what they want to believe, KKKarver
> or no KKKarver. They will find the reinforcements elsewhere.
And Howard should see to it that they do. (Or does he need ratings that bad?)
> > I don't know about you, but to me that's scary.
> >
>
> It is no scarier than those slobs in Brooklyn who are beating off to Howard's
> banter with strippers. There are losers everywhere, whether they are racists
> or sexual sociopaths.
Are you now equating masturbation with bigotry and racism? If so, I represent that.
;-)A "sexual sociopath" indeed. (BTW, I live in Brooklyn)
>
>
> Remember, on "Butt Bongo Fiesta," Howard said, "Our listeners are scary!"
How could he possibly know you were listening?
Sid
"In order to act wisely it is not enough to be wise."
>
>
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rose...@pilot.msu.edu
Sid <rh...@erols.com> wrote:
> > Oh, please.
>
> IMO, not a really responsive comment. I'm sure you can do better.
No, I cannot do better. Ad hominem.
> >
> > They have a right to be ignorant.
>
> Maybe we should amend the "Bill of Rights" to include your novel suggestion.
Would you prefer to have me say privilege instead?
.
> >
> > It is no scarier than those slobs in Brooklyn who are beating off to Howard's
> > banter with strippers. There are losers everywhere, whether they are racists
> > or sexual sociopaths.
>
> Are you now equating masturbation with bigotry and racism? If so, I represent that.
> ;-)A "sexual sociopath" indeed. (BTW, I live in Brooklyn)
See what I mean?
>
> >
> >
> > Remember, on "Butt Bongo Fiesta," Howard said, "Our listeners are scary!"
>
> How could he possibly know you were listening?
Sorry, but I've already had one knee-slapper today. Nice try.
Well, enough for me. I'm gonna get ready for the Woodward Dream Cruise.
Tah-tah!
Sid
rose...@pilot.msu.edu wrote:
> In article <35D300A6...@erols.com>,
> Sid <rh...@erols.com> wrote:
>
> > > Oh, please.
> >
> > IMO, not a really responsive comment. I'm sure you can do better.
>
> No, I cannot do better. Ad hominem.
Even less responsive ... nothing personal.
>
>
> > >
> > > They have a right to be ignorant.
> >
> > Maybe we should amend the "Bill of Rights" to include your novel suggestion.
>
> Would you prefer to have me say privilege instead?
Either way, the comment itself is an "ignorant" one..
> > > It is no scarier than those slobs in Brooklyn who are beating off to Howard's
> > > banter with strippers. There are losers everywhere, whether they are racists
> > > or sexual sociopaths.
> >
> > Are you now equating masturbation with bigotry and racism? If so, I represent that.
> > ;-)A "sexual sociopath" indeed. (BTW, I live in Brooklyn)
>
> See what I mean?
Once again, non responsive: Are you now equating masturbation with bigotry and racism?
>
>
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Remember, on "Butt Bongo Fiesta," Howard said, "Our listeners are scary!"
> >
> > How could he possibly know you were listening?
>
> Sorry, but I've already had one knee-slapper today. Nice try.
>
> Well, enough for me. I'm gonna get ready for the Woodward Dream Cruise.
> Tah-tah!
You can get back to me when the "cruise" is over.
Sid
rose...@pilot.msu.edu
Sid <rh...@erols.com> wrote:
>
> You can get back to me when the "cruise" is over.
>
Don't hold yer breath.
Sid
rose...@pilot.msu.edu wrote:
> In article <35D36842...@erols.com>,
> Sid <rh...@erols.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > You can get back to me when the "cruise" is over.
> >
>
> Don't hold yer breath.
>
> D. Rosenberg
Have nothing to say?Just "cruise" away.
Sid
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Howard is not afraid of Carver. He is trying to hold him
up for ridicule, that's all. He thinks it's good radio.
I would like to hear more from the Black Israelites.
I think Howard is afraid of them.
Sid <rh...@erols.com> wrote in article
<35D1A45C...@erols.com>...
> Donnie wrote:
>
> > Steve <sbr...@infi.net> wrote in article
> > <35ce4254...@news.akron.infi.net>...
> > > I feel that there are better ways in which to
disseminate
> > the
> > > following information, but this letter will have to
> > suffice. > What follows is a series of remarks addressed
to
> > the
> > > readers of this letter and to Daniel Carver himself.
> > >
> > >----------------------SNIP------------------------<
> >
> >
> > Yes, I agree, but as I sit in sad repose as I put finger
to
> > keyboard concerning an issue I find most deeply
disturbing.
>
> >
> > God save us all.
>
> So what's your answer to my question?
>