Thom Hartmann says Liberals & "Tea baggers" should UNITE!
Doug Bashford
Thom Hartmann says Liberals & "Tea baggers" should UNITE!
He claims that they both fear America is going to
Hell in a handbasket, and for the same reasons.
For example the recent bank heist and wall street
handouts, -- mere symptoms of a huge problem.
Yes we have some differences, but compared to
"America is going to
Hell in a handbasket,"
...they are minor.
...claims that the differences between the Liberals
& "Tea baggers" is mostly a product of political
leadership that fears our uniting.
He might be right. I hate to admit that sometimes
I feel I'm being played.
He's on right now.
Thom Hartmann..like talk radio with brains. A Jeffersonian
Renaissance man.
If you are a Big Picture and Concepts kinda guy, Thom's your man.
Hartmann often starts the show debating a prominent Republican.
Hartmann and Dr. Maddow are the smartest people in radio.
9:00am-12noon
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Whaddya think?
- Political Economics:
- Socialism: The government/people own the corporations.
- Fascism: The corporations/government own the people.
- "Fascism should more properly be called
- corporatism, since it is the merger
- of state and corporate power."
-- - Benito Mussolini, father of fascism.
- Republicans: think the very rich are the backbone of America.
- Democrats: think the middle class are the backbone of America.
- Republicans: are terrified some may get more than they deserve.
- Democrats: are terrified most earn less than they deserve.
- Republicans: think Americans deserve 27th in health care.
- Democrats: think Americans deserve better.
- Republicans: think health care is mostly about defending profits.
- Democrats: think health care is mostly about defending health.
- Republicans: must lie to get people to do right.
- Democrats: must be honest to get people to do right.
- Republicans: fear government but trust corporations.
- Democrats: fear both.
- "Fascism...is the merger
- of state and corporate power."
-- - Benito Mussolini
So? How might that happen in America?
The fist steps of that merger would be:
1) deregulating corporations
and
2) give them "personhood" rights. -- Then
3) define money as being protected speech. Holy.
......... Of course, that's all done.
Voila!
jos boersema
On 2009-11-20, Doug Bashford <pla...@work.edu> wrote:
> Thom Hartmann says Liberals & "Tea baggers" should UNITE!
Hello, Hello TEA,
TEA bag parties can be (should be) embryo's of a true, peaceful,
honorable, real people's effort to set up a new state, while
remaining cooperative, supportive and honorable to all the just
laws, the honorable task of the police and the mandate behind
elected officials in other avenues of the democratic power flowing
from the USA Constitution. Eventually when enough people have
united in tea and/or coffee parties, the democratic will of the
people is more expressed in that system then in the USA Constitutional
system, and at that point the balance of power falls over into that
revolution.
Now you probably assume that this is a hyjacking of the TEA party
movement ? Not so: http://www.jhwh.be If anyone is hyjacking anyone,
you are hyjacking me because I was there earlier with this scheme.
It is unproductive to talk in terms of hyjacking by the way. It's
a tea and/or coffee party, we're joining up, we are drinking coffee
or tea precisely because we do not want to fight. We do not want
to fight other people, we do not want to fight the state (well,
maybe I should just speak for myself, but I assume that's the idea:
how can you even think about fighting when sharing a cup of tea).
Here is the scheme I have worked out for such a peaceful transition:
http://www.socialism.nl/~joshb/sheet3.txt
The whole idea with drinking tea or coffee in the street is a part
of that. So I guess: you didn't know I was making up those schemes,
and I didn't know you where doing/going-to-do this TEA party thing
(I hope you are actually drinking tea in the street ?), we are
having some kind of synergy here (no, I'm NOT new age). Call it a
good sign !
It's up to you. If you want to persue this, it is as casual and
friendly as can be. Some tea-baggers unite ? More then 50 haven't
yet formed a "voter group" ? If you want they can form one right
there, elect a delegate. And then drink some more tea. No rush,
nothing further needed. That delegate under the model is a delegate
for the next 5 years (unless replaced, or group disbanded). No rush.
No rushing is a strategic element in it.
Does it have a connection with taxes, the scheme I'm pushing: taxes
is but the smallest issue this all deals with, but yes taxes also.
The whole system as explained on my site (all free for the cause
of worthwhile lives) would end up with a new Constitution, new
economic model (free trade, but with a few KEY differences.) The
currency, which is closely connected with taxes, is to be replaced.
That flushes away the evil men' their wealth. The new currency is
to work like the old 'greenback' spend into circulation deal, which
worked wonderfully well in the USA and for which the USA is famous.
The greenbacks where a fiat currency simply spend into circulation,
which is the way money should work. At some point you stop spending
as a government to prevent inflation, and you need to tax it back.
A reasonable tax amount, to be spend for the common good (police,
roads, judges, etc etc).
Though the Constitution does not specify how tax is to work, I'm
eyeing this model: every person pays the same amount per month.
No income tax, no added-value production tax, no profit tax, no
other taxes except border-crossing trade tarrifs for political and
economic purposes (to protect the domestic markets from certain
bad foreign influences). This model is to create a lot of freedom
to trade how you like, no more "black/illegal work" because it
is "tax evasion" for not being declared and having filled out a
pack of paper. No, the markets must flow freely. What you earn,
you earn and can keep, as long as you pay the share of burden for
the common good as al have to (although there are options to do
that differently too, but you can easily see how the bad will
abuse it and the good will pay triple for all).
Needless to say, the cause of war should die out, the laws made
are made with that in mind. The USA empire will disunite, back
to state sovereignty (small states could still unite, to strengthen
their economies & currencies). Forget I said a word if you are not
willing to give the North American indians what they want. I take
that as payement: you give the North American indians what they
want, and all they want. And that may be shocking to you or not,
but I really don't care. It may shock you that a few ten thousand
people will get areas of land al big as entire states, but I don't
care how you percieve it. You'll have to reduce yourselve to live
in much smaller lands, still good and economically fit for survival
in terms of resources, but much more densily populated. If you don't
want that, forget it; we are at war then.
You need the North American indians also, you need them to be your
older brothers. You don't have to ask the why, just do it. If that
means millions of Americans will move, that's what it means and
almost certainly it will mean that. It will be prudent if the big
cities don't have to be evacuated, but nothing is off the table.
Okay ... with that settled ... let's have some more tea ?
> He claims that they both fear America is going to
> Hell in a handbasket, and for the same reasons.
> For example the recent bank heist and wall street
> handouts, -- mere symptoms of a huge problem.
>
> Yes we have some differences, but compared to
> "America is going to
> Hell in a handbasket,"
It is, what you're going to do about it !
> ...they are minor.
>
> ...claims that the differences between the Liberals
> & "Tea baggers" is mostly a product of political
> leadership that fears our uniting.
>
> He might be right. I hate to admit that sometimes
> I feel I'm being played.
All political parties are corrupt, of course you're being played if
someone tries to usurp your movement into the existing corrupt strata.
For political party formation, also check my site (which technically
attempts to usurp your movement now too, do note, but please also
do considder it!) ... http://www.socialism.nl/party/nl/david-we
That should result in a myriad, a pack, of independent political
parties. They are all to be ruled by the same high strength super
democracy as outlined in the Constitution proposal (that you should
probably include the Bill of Rights in with precedence, since that
is your American heritage -- chapter 1 or 2 seem the likely places).
Put a nice American style pre-ambule over it, too ? Include just
about everything that's great about America ? That's the idea, that
law proposal is a draft framework, into which you can lodge more
good things that you know about (and that I forgot, or mangled up).
> He's on right now.
Don't sacrifice your power, claim more.