New Elementary SH Series

rll_sb

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Oct 7, 2012, 3:14:52 PM10/7/12

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I am surprised no one commented on the new SH series Elementary. So I will
start.

1. The first scene shows a "woman of the streets" leaving Holmes apartment
and when he is questioned, he states his bodily needs must be fulfilled.
Blasphemy for SH fans as he never showed any interest in women, especially
in a sexual manner.

2. He is shown snacking on apparent junk food during a case. Of course, all
SH fans know he never ate when the game is afoot.

3. Having an attractive woman (Lucy Liu) play a disgraced surgeon also seems
inappropriate. It is never stated whether she lost her license to practice
medicine after a botched surgery where the patient died or voluntarily gave
up practicing, but again much in contrast to Dr. Watson who was competent in
medicine.

4. SH continues his rude, brusque manner in stating his observations.

I would appreciate others' thoughts on the new series.

- Russ in Santa Barbara

Paul Jamison

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Oct 7, 2012, 6:06:26 PM10/7/12

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"rll_sb" <rlomb...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Good observations. The one thing that went through my mind when I saw the
pilot was - TATTOOS!?

Paul

DonH

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Oct 8, 2012, 3:42:14 PM10/8/12

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"rll_sb" <rlomb...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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# What is the legal position re "Sherlock Holmes"? Is the very name
copyright?
And would anyone using it have to obtain permission from the descendants
of the author (Sir Arthur Conan Doyle)?
Or, has copyright expired, and anyone can use SH to treat as they like?

Stephen

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Oct 9, 2012, 3:53:08 PM10/9/12

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On Sun, 7 Oct 2012 12:14:52 -0700, "rll_sb" <rlomb...@gmail.com>
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>I am surprised no one commented on the new SH series Elementary. So I will
>start.

Hi. I've been watching this group, waiting to hear what the new show
is like, thanks for posting. Too bad it doesn't sound good. It's a
shame tv and film companies want to constantly "rework" old classics
rather than reproduce them faithfully.

rt

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Oct 10, 2012, 12:34:25 AM10/10/12

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Watched part of it, it's another in the trend, at least in American
tv, of super sleuths who have some distinguishing (read, affliction)
that aids in crime solving.

It was ok in that regard, it just by coincidence had characters with
the same names kinda sorta as in the SH tales...

Reproducting them "faithfully", if including th same era, would
probably now be costly. Not sure how Copper (which is kinda interesting)
manages to keep the budget under control.

Stephen

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Oct 10, 2012, 2:37:11 PM10/10/12

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On Tue, 09 Oct 2012 22:34:25 -0600, rt <traRvE...@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>Watched part of it, it's another in the trend, at least in American
>tv, of super sleuths who have some distinguishing (read, affliction)
>that aids in crime solving.

I'm in the UK, so I'm not familiar with all the American sleuths with
afflictions. I have seen Monk. Which other ones were you thinking of?

(I enjoyed most of Monk, though I didn't like the final case; I
couldn't believe that Monk and Trudy would have had secrets and if
there was a secret, I think Monk being a genius detective would have
detected and solved it! It just didn't seem right but perhaps it was
just after eight seasons of expectation, I was hoping for something
better)

>It was ok in that regard, it just by coincidence had characters with
>the same names kinda sorta as in the SH tales...
>
>Reproducting them "faithfully", if including th same era, would
>probably now be costly.

Perhaps I am a hypocrite? I do enjoy the Rathbone films and yet they
are in the wrong era. OTOH I'm sure they would recoup any costs with
worldwide sales.

>Not sure how Copper (which is kinda interesting)
>manages to keep the budget under control.

I've not heard of this; what's it about?

rt

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Oct 14, 2012, 1:18:33 PM10/14/12

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Stephen wrote:
>
> On Tue, 09 Oct 2012 22:34:25 -0600, rt <traRvE...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Watched part of it, it's another in the trend, at least in American
> >tv, of super sleuths who have some distinguishing (read, affliction)
> >that aids in crime solving.
>
> I'm in the UK, so I'm not familiar with all the American sleuths with
> afflictions. I have seen Monk. Which other ones were you thinking of?
>
> (I enjoyed most of Monk, though I didn't like the final case; I

Mentalist, is a con man who played the "psychic" gambit. Perception,
the guy is on meds and has an imaginary companion.

> couldn't believe that Monk and Trudy would have had secrets and if
> there was a secret, I think Monk being a genius detective would have
> detected and solved it! It just didn't seem right but perhaps it was
> just after eight seasons of expectation, I was hoping for something
> better)
>
> >It was ok in that regard, it just by coincidence had characters with
> >the same names kinda sorta as in the SH tales...
> >
> >Reproducting them "faithfully", if including th same era, would
> >probably now be costly.
>
> Perhaps I am a hypocrite? I do enjoy the Rathbone films and yet they
> are in the wrong era. OTOH I'm sure they would recoup any costs with
> worldwide sales.

Hence, not "faithfully". But still enjoyable.

> >Not sure how Copper (which is kinda interesting)
> >manages to keep the budget under control.
>
> I've not heard of this; what's it about?

It's actually a BBC production.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copper_%28TV_series%29

Copper is a drama television series created by Tom Fontana and Will
Rokos currently being broadcast on BBC America. It is set in 1860s
New York City during the American Civil War and stars Tom Weston-Jones
as an Irish immigrant cop who patrols the Five Points neighborhood.

Looks expensive, but then the locales are limited to city scenes.

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Oct 14, 2012, 11:04:17 PM10/14/12

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I discovered I have the BBCA on my satellite TV and would love to see
the show.. When does Elementary come on in America?

Thanks!

Ed

rt

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Nov 2, 2012, 12:34:24 AM11/2/12

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It comes on Thursday evenings on the CBS network.

Sigerson

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I think it's a great series. It applies many of the character traits,
eccentricities, and disciplines of Holmes to modern day culture. I'll
agree a female Watson is certainly stretching it but they've done a
good job. I hope it continues.

~S

Peter Percival

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Jun 29, 2014, 9:31:57 AM6/29/14

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rll_sb wrote:

> [...] much in contrast to Dr. Watson

> who was competent in medicine.

What textual evidence is there for Watson's competence? I'm not saying
you're wrong, but it's been a few years since I read SH.

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