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Mudge

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Aug 21, 2008, 3:59:55 PM8/21/08
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Hofstadter are we not talking about - Douglas or Richard ??

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Don Stockbauer

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Aug 21, 2008, 5:32:10 PM8/21/08
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On Aug 21, 2:59 pm, Mudge <mu...@nospam.ever> wrote:
> Hofstadter are we not talking about - Douglas or Richard ??

Both. We're not mentioning both. But we're supposed to be talking
about Douglas R., who we're not. But if anybody would like to talk
about him or his work, feel free. I mean, like, discussing Douglas
here would sure get you a better welcome than trying to discuss R.A.
Wilson in alt.fan.rawilson.

Tian

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Aug 21, 2008, 5:57:33 PM8/21/08
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Mudge wrote:
> Hofstadter are we not talking about - Douglas or Richard ??
>
I'm not familiar with Richard's work. Could you say a bit about it?

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Mudge

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Aug 21, 2008, 5:52:26 PM8/21/08
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On 08/21/2008 15:32:10 Don Stockbauer wrote:

> On Aug 21, 2:59 pm, Mudge wrote:

>> Hofstadter are we not talking about - Douglas or Richard ??

> Both. We're not mentioning both. But we're supposed to be talking about
> Douglas R., who we're not. But if anybody would like to talk about him or
> his work, feel free. I mean, like, discussing Douglas here would sure get
> you a better welcome than trying to discuss R.A. Wilson in
> alt.fan.rawilson.


How about "Robert" and, is there a group for that - must go look.......

Mudge

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Aug 21, 2008, 6:00:11 PM8/21/08
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On 08/21/2008 15:57:33 Tian <tnha...@aceweb.com> wrote:

> Mudge wrote:

>> Hofstadter are we not talking about - Douglas or Richard ??

> I'm not familiar with Richard's work. Could you say a bit about it?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Hofstadter


An American historian who, like other historians of the time was busy
rewriting history to make it palatable for the politically correct

Tian

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Aug 21, 2008, 6:43:12 PM8/21/08
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Mudge wrote:
>
> On 08/21/2008 15:57:33 Tian <tnha...@aceweb.com> wrote:
>
>> Mudge wrote:
>
>>> Hofstadter are we not talking about - Douglas or Richard ??
>
>> I'm not familiar with Richard's work. Could you say a bit about it?
>
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Hofstadter
>
>
> An American historian who, like other historians of the time was busy
> rewriting history to make it palatable for the politically correct
>
>
I wandered in here because I liked Godel, Eshcer, & Bach. I'm always
looking for better ways to talk about the "worlds within worlds" quality
that our worlds seem to share. Having looked over that page briefly I
must admit I'd not heard of the guy before and am still not familiar
with any of his works.

I guess I'm looking for another Hofstadter to bring up for discussion.

How about Robert Hofstadter?

http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates/1961/hofstadter-bio.html

Don Stockbauer

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Aug 22, 2008, 1:08:27 AM8/22/08
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On Aug 21, 5:43 pm, Tian <tnhar...@aceweb.com> wrote:
> Mudge wrote:
>
> > On 08/21/2008 15:57:33 Tian <tnhar...@aceweb.com> wrote:
>
> >> Mudge wrote:
>
> >>> Hofstadter are we not talking about - Douglas or Richard ??
>
> >> I'm not familiar with Richard's work.  Could you say a bit about it?
>
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Hofstadter
>
> > An American historian who, like other historians of the time was busy
> > rewriting history to make it palatable for the politically correct
>
> I wandered in here because I liked Godel, Eshcer, & Bach. I'm always
> looking for better ways to talk about the "worlds within worlds" quality
> that our worlds seem to share. Having looked over that page briefly I
> must admit I'd not heard of the guy before and am still not familiar
> with any of his works.
>
> I guess I'm looking for another Hofstadter to bring up for discussion.
>
> How about Robert Hofstadter?
>
> http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/physics/laureates/1961/hofstadter-...

Wiki has info on all 3.

Richard was a historian who Douglas (the subject of this ng) mentions
in one of his books, I remember, as someone who might be confused with
himself.

Robert was Douglas' father; he was a Nobel prize winning physicist.

A remarkable family, that.

Tian

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Aug 22, 2008, 4:09:18 AM8/22/08
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Amazing how on topic that digression was. I'm impressed.

Don Stockbauer

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Aug 22, 2008, 8:36:23 AM8/22/08
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Sometimes I wonder if Doug reads his own ng? Seems like he'd write in
every now and again. But it's been my experience he usually only
writes people to correct their errors.

2 + 2 = 5

Don Stockbauer

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Aug 25, 2008, 1:52:36 PM8/25/08
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This sentence is false.

Don Stockbauer

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Aug 25, 2008, 5:02:00 PM8/25/08
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"The Global Brain is real and will instantiate and make Earth a heaven
on Earth."

Mudge

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Aug 25, 2008, 5:27:05 PM8/25/08
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On 08/25/2008 15:02:00 Don Stockbauer wrote:

> "The Global Brain is real and will instantiate and make Earth a heaven on
> Earth."

42 !!!!

Don Stockbauer

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Aug 25, 2008, 6:48:36 PM8/25/08
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On Aug 25, 4:27 pm, Mudge <Mu...@nospam.ever> wrote:
> On 08/25/2008 15:02:00 Don Stockbauer wrote:
>
> > "The Global Brain is real and will instantiate and make Earth a heaven on
> > Earth."
>
> 42 !!!!
>
> -

"42" is an answer to which the question has become lost. Just as
"Global Brain" is an answer to which the
question.....question......ERROR......DOES NOT
COMPUTE......CROATOAN.........DO IT TO JULIA..........I HAVE A TAIL TO
SWISH AWAY FLIES, BUT I'D MUCH PREFER THAT I HAD NO TAIL AND THERE BE
NO FLIES............BLARP...........54 40 v FIGHT

Mudge

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Aug 25, 2008, 7:00:42 PM8/25/08
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On 08/25/2008 16:48:36 Don Stockbauer wrote:

>> 42 !!!!

>> -


Would "37" be betterer ??

Don Stockbauer

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Aug 25, 2008, 7:27:15 PM8/25/08
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On Aug 25, 6:00 pm, Mudge <Mu...@nospam.ever> wrote:
> On 08/25/2008 16:48:36 Don Stockbauer wrote:
>
> > On Aug 25, 4:27 pm, Mudge wrote:
> >> On 08/25/2008 15:02:00 Don Stockbauer wrote:
> >>> "The Global Brain is real and will instantiate and make Earth a heaven
> >>> on Earth."
> >> 42 !!!!
> >> -
> > "42" is an answer to which the question has become lost.  Just as "Global
> > Brain" is an answer to which the
> > question.....question......ERROR......DOES NOT
> > COMPUTE......CROATOAN.........DO IT TO JULIA..........I HAVE A TAIL TO
> > SWISH AWAY FLIES, BUT I'D MUCH PREFER THAT I HAD NO TAIL AND THERE BE NO
> > FLIES............BLARP...........54 40 v FIGHT
>
> Would "37" be betterer ??

"You may rely on it."

- The Magic 8-ball.

Don Stockbauer

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Aug 26, 2008, 10:13:03 AM8/26/08
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"No."

- The Magic 8-ball.

Tian

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Aug 26, 2008, 2:19:52 PM8/26/08
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Don Stockbauer wrote:
> On Aug 25, 6:27 pm, Don Stockbauer <donstockba...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Aug 25, 6:00 pm, Mudge <Mu...@nospam.ever> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 08/25/2008 16:48:36 Don Stockbauer wrote:
>>>> On Aug 25, 4:27 pm, Mudge wrote:
>>>>> On 08/25/2008 15:02:00 Don Stockbauer wrote:
>>>>>> "The Global Brain is real and will instantiate and make Earth a heaven
>>>>>> on Earth."
>>>>> 42 !!!!
>>>>> -
>>>> "42" is an answer to which the question has become lost. Just as "Global
>>>> Brain" is an answer to which the
>>>> question.....question......ERROR......DOES NOT
>>>> COMPUTE......CROATOAN.........DO IT TO JULIA..........I HAVE A TAIL TO
>>>> SWISH AWAY FLIES, BUT I'D MUCH PREFER THAT I HAD NO TAIL AND THERE BE NO
>>>> FLIES............BLARP...........54 40 v FIGHT
>>> Would "37" be betterer ??
>> "You may rely on it."
>>
>> - The Magic 8-ball.
>
> "No."
>
> - The Magic 8-ball.

I had two frisbees with 8-ball art on them, but both of them have been
broken during use. One of them is still visible in the trash can behind
me as I type this. I know because I just turned around and looked at it.

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Tian
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Latest change: Added reality check with pictures of tomatoes and TV.

Don Stockbauer

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Aug 26, 2008, 5:05:34 PM8/26/08
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I guess my reference to "The Magic 8-ball" made sense? It was (maybe
you can still get them) a "muse" in that you'd ask it yes/no questions
and the answer would come floating up from inside the oversize 8-ball
filled with a fluid. "You may rely on it", etc.

I got into boomerangs at one point back in the 90's, still have like
20 of them, very seldom throw them anymore.

Tian

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Aug 26, 2008, 7:58:03 PM8/26/08
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I don't remember throwing boomerangs. Not even sure how to do it.
I used to play frisbee a lot. The reason I don't anymore is that I have
a great deal of trouble finding other people who will do it with me.
Jayme will, but only sometimes. He has played more frisbee with me
than anyone else in the last decade though.

Don Stockbauer

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Aug 26, 2008, 8:21:38 PM8/26/08
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The deal with boomerangs is that there's much more technique to it
than a frisbee. There's about 10 things you have to remember and get
right. It's not impossible, but there's a long learning curve. And
even then the wind needs to be moderate , you need a large clear
field. Matt Hannifin got me started.

Tian

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Aug 27, 2008, 12:43:57 AM8/27/08
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I'm not sure if it was Stuart Ferguson or Pete Mokris that got me
started playing frisbee. They were both guys I played it with in the
early/mid '80s. The thing about playing frisbee is there are many ways
to enjoy the experience. A lot depends on what you want to get out of it

Don Stockbauer

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Aug 27, 2008, 8:42:39 AM8/27/08
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You're right there. I didn't have many friends here growing up on the
ranch. Mom took me in to a counselor at one point for advice. He told
her "Tell him to take up boomerang throwing; you don't need friends
for it."

Tian

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Aug 27, 2008, 2:58:00 PM8/27/08
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You probably need space for that. Here in this urban environment, space
that nobody else is using is not that easy to find.

Don Stockbauer

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Aug 27, 2008, 10:12:36 PM8/27/08
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> Tianhttp://tian.greens.org

> Latest change: Added reality check with pictures of tomatoes and TV.

You need a clear area maybe like 100 feet square, better like 200'.
Nobody else should be in it except people with good eyesight who can
dodge pretty good. Most people who throw in cites go to soccer fields
or vacant lots or parks which might have large clear areas. It's kind
of an acquired taste. My aunt and uncle sent me one from Australia
back in the 60's and that got me hooked.

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