Video of Hofstadter

[Don Stockbauer]

Get a hold of the Science Channel's (#193 on the Dish Network)
"Through the Wormhole" episode titled "Life After Death." Prof.
Hofstadter is interviewed fairly extensively towards the end of the
program. This was a real treat for me, since the closest I had come
was audio during the "Spritual Machine" debate back 4 or 5 years ago.
But then, I had never tried youtube, that would have cinched it way
back.

[Don Stockbauer]

Youtube has like 115 hits on "Hofstadter", so, tube away!

[Don Stockbauer]

Like those tubers (well, canoers) that did the Texas Water Safari that
you could have tracked on trackleaders.com.

[Mudge]

On 2011-06-18 05:42:20 -0600, Don Stockbauer said:

> Like those tubers (well, canoers) that did the Texas Water Safari that
> you could have tracked on trackleaders.com.

I had some tubers for dinner last evening !

--
The Canadian Curmudgeon (in Calgary)
Remove noxious CO2 - plant many trees

[Don Stockbauer]

On Jun 18, 3:18 pm, Mudge <Nos...@never.ever> wrote:
> On 2011-06-18 05:42:20 -0600, Don Stockbauer said:
>
> > Like those tubers (well, canoers) that did the Texas Water Safari that
> > you could have tracked on trackleaders.com.
>
> I had some tubers for dinner last evening !

You actually ate food, when there are starving children in Afghanistan?

[Mudge]

Lettem eat poppies !

[Don Stockbauer]

On Jun 18, 6:58 pm, Mudge <Nos...@never.ever> wrote:
> On 2011-06-18 17:55:56 -0600, Don Stockbauer said:
>
> > On Jun 18, 3:18 pm, Mudge <Nos...@never.ever> wrote:
> >> On 2011-06-18 05:42:20 -0600, Don Stockbauer said:
>
> >>> Like those tubers (well, canoers) that did the Texas Water Safari that
> >>> you could have tracked on trackleaders.com.
>
> >> I had some tubers for dinner last evening !
>
> > You actually ate food, when there are starving children in Afghanistan?
>
> Lettem eat poppies !
>

Lettem eat poppyseed cake!

[Tian]

Don Stockbauer wrote:
> On Jun 18, 6:58 pm, Mudge <Nos...@never.ever> wrote:
>> On 2011-06-18 17:55:56 -0600, Don Stockbauer said:
>>
>>> On Jun 18, 3:18 pm, Mudge <Nos...@never.ever> wrote:
>>>> On 2011-06-18 05:42:20 -0600, Don Stockbauer said:
>>>>> Like those tubers (well, canoers) that did the Texas Water Safari that
>>>>> you could have tracked on trackleaders.com.
>>>> I had some tubers for dinner last evening !
>>> You actually ate food, when there are starving children in Afghanistan?
>> Lettem eat poppies !
>>
>
> Lettem eat poppyseed cake!
>
>

My friend Andrea gave me a cat litter box full of Aloe Vera plants.
One of sent up a pole a yard long with a big flower cluster on the top.
Never saw one of those before! The flowers look orange and tubular.
Now it's on my front porch beaming away...

--
Tian
http://tian.greens.org
Latest change: words and pictures from another no nukes thing in SF.
The screw I got mile 81 of bike the limits is on an Ohio quarter.

[Don Stockbauer]

On Jun 20, 8:48 pm, Tian <tnhar...@aceweb.com> wrote:
> Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > On Jun 18, 6:58 pm, Mudge <Nos...@never.ever> wrote:
> >> On 2011-06-18 17:55:56 -0600, Don Stockbauer said:
>
> >>> On Jun 18, 3:18 pm, Mudge <Nos...@never.ever> wrote:
> >>>> On 2011-06-18 05:42:20 -0600, Don Stockbauer said:
> >>>>> Like those tubers (well, canoers) that did the Texas Water Safari that
> >>>>> you could have tracked on trackleaders.com.
> >>>> I had some tubers for dinner last evening !
> >>> You actually ate food, when there are starving children in Afghanistan?
> >> Lettem eat poppies !
>
> > Lettem eat poppyseed cake!
>
>  >
>
> My friend Andrea gave me a cat litter box full of Aloe Vera plants.
> One of sent up a pole a yard long with a big flower cluster on the top.
> Never saw one of those before! The flowers look orange and tubular.
> Now it's on my front porch beaming away...

I've never seen one bloom. It must be due to the fact that one can do
so much better in CA than in TX growing things. I knew a guy who got
a cut from a big AVP and had to break off a part of a leaf to rub the
juice on his wound. There's something vaguely Hofstadterian about
that.

[Tian]

I've not tried using it as a salve yet. Here are picture of the plant:

http://tian.greens.org/MountainView/My/Porch/AloeVeraPlants.html

--
Tian
http://tian.greens.org
Latest change: words and pictures from another no nukes thing in SF.

The screw I got mile 81 of bike the limits is on an Louisiana quarter.

[Mudge]

On 2011-06-21 14:38:33 -0600, Tian said:

> I've not tried using it as a salve yet. Here are picture of the plant:

Works well as a salve - can't smoke worth a damn tho !!!!

--
The Canadian Curmudgeon (in Calgary)

Eat Cow, Drill Oil, Rope Calves, Live Free

[Tian]

Mudge wrote:
> On 2011-06-21 14:38:33 -0600, Tian said:
>
>> I've not tried using it as a salve yet. Here are picture of the plant:
>
> Works well as a salve - can't smoke worth a damn tho !!!!
>

That's probably why she was willing to give it away free.
Owners of smokable plants can charge a lot for the leaves and flowers.

--
Tian
http://tian.greens.org
Latest change: words and pictures from another no nukes thing in SF.

The screw I got mile 81 of bike the limits is on a Louisiana quarter.

[Don Stockbauer]

On Jun 21, 6:53 pm, Tian <tnhar...@aceweb.com> wrote:
> Mudge wrote:
> > On 2011-06-21 14:38:33 -0600, Tian said:
>
> >> I've not tried using it as a salve yet. Here are picture of the plant:
>
> > Works well as a salve - can't smoke worth a damn tho !!!!
>
> That's probably why she was willing to give it away free.
> Owners of smokable plants can charge a lot for the leaves and flowers.

That bloom looks like the French Tickler I gave Darlene back in 1974.

[Tian]

I'll take your word for it.

[Don Stockbauer]

On Jun 22, 3:49 pm, Tian <tnhar...@aceweb.com> wrote:
> Don Stockbauer wrote:
> > On Jun 21, 6:53 pm, Tian <tnhar...@aceweb.com> wrote:
> >> Mudge wrote:
> >>> On 2011-06-21 14:38:33 -0600, Tian said:
> >>>> I've not tried using it as a salve yet. Here are picture of the plant:
> >>> Works well as a salve - can't smoke worth a damn tho !!!!
> >> That's probably why she was willing to give it away free.
> >> Owners of smokable plants can charge a lot for the leaves and flowers.
>
> > That bloom looks like the French Tickler I gave Darlene back in 1974.
>
> I'll take your word for it.

Why, thank you so much. Now I can say at least one person has
accepted at least one thing I've asserted.

[Mudge]

On 2011-06-22 14:49:41 -0600, Tian said:
> Don Stockbauer wrote:

>> On Jun 21, 6:53 pm, Tian wrote:
>>> Mudge wrote:
>>>> On 2011-06-21 14:38:33 -0600, Tian said:
>>>>> I've not tried using it as a salve yet. Here are picture of the plant:
>>>> Works well as a salve - can't smoke worth a damn tho !!!!
>>> That's probably why she was willing to give it away free.
>>> Owners of smokable plants can charge a lot for the leaves and flowers.
>>
>> That bloom looks like the French Tickler I gave Darlene back in 1974.
>
> I'll take your word for it.

Me too !

--
The Canadian Curmudgeon (in Calgary)

[Don Stockbauer]

On Jun 22, 8:37 pm, Mudge <Nos...@never.ever> wrote:
> On 2011-06-22 14:49:41 -0600, Tian said:
>
> > Don Stockbauer wrote:
> >> On Jun 21, 6:53 pm, Tian wrote:
> >>> Mudge wrote:
> >>>> On 2011-06-21 14:38:33 -0600, Tian said:
> >>>>> I've not tried using it as a salve yet. Here are picture of the plant:
> >>>> Works well as a salve - can't smoke worth a damn tho !!!!
> >>> That's probably why she was willing to give it away free.
> >>> Owners of smokable plants can charge a lot for the leaves and flowers.
>
> >> That bloom looks like the French Tickler I gave Darlene back in 1974.
>
> > I'll take your word for it.
>
> Me too !

OK, then. In the tradition of former President Bill Clinton, "That
bloom DOES NOT look like the French Tickler I gave Darlene back in
1974."

[Mudge]

On 2011-06-22 20:45:27 -0600, Don Stockbauer said:

I'd smile - but - I'm too young to know wot one of them is !!!!!

[Tian]

I know a Darlene in San Jose. I've known her for years. I am not going
near her with a french tickler, with or without the capital letters.

[Don Stockbauer]

A bloom?

[Don Stockbauer]

On Jun 23, 1:14 am, Tian <tnhar...@aceweb.com> wrote:
> Mudge wrote:
> > On 2011-06-22 20:45:27 -0600, Don Stockbauer said:
> >> On Jun 22, 8:37 pm, Mudge wrote:
> >>> On 2011-06-22 14:49:41 -0600, Tian said:
> >>>> Don Stockbauer wrote:
> >>>>> On Jun 21, 6:53 pm, Tian wrote:
> >>>>>> Mudge wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 2011-06-21 14:38:33 -0600, Tian said:
> >>>>>>>> I've not tried using it as a salve yet. Here are picture of the
> >>>>>>>> plant:
> >>>>>>> Works well as a salve - can't smoke worth a damn tho !!!!
> >>>>>> That's probably why she was willing to give it away free.
> >>>>>> Owners of smokable plants can charge a lot for the leaves and
> >>>>>> flowers.
>
> >>>>> That bloom looks like the French Tickler I gave Darlene back in 1974.
>
> >>>> I'll take your word for it.
>
> >>> Me too !
>
> >> OK, then.  In the tradition of former President Bill Clinton, "That
> >> bloom DOES NOT look like the French Tickler I gave Darlene back in
> >> 1974."
>
> > I'd smile - but - I'm too young to know wot one of them is !!!!!
>
> I know a Darlene in San Jose. I've known her for years. I am not going
> near her with a french tickler, with or without the capital letters.

My fictitious former girlfriend 's name was stolen from a soft-porn
novel title I once saw for sale in a gas station while Mitch Harbin
and I were travelling to some football game long ago in Alabama:
"Darlene takes a Toss."

[Don Stockbauer]

My favorite song's playing!

"Follow me, don't follow me.
I've got my spine, I've got my Orange Crush."

Well, one of my favorites.

But who cares?

[Tian]

I'm remembering Steely Dan singing "they call Alabama the Crimson Tide".

--
Tian
http://tian.greens.org
Latest change: words and pictures from and about SJBP's Seventies Ride.
The screw I got mile 81 of bike the limits is on an Indiana quarter.

[Tian]

I hear ya. This is not meant in a derrogatory way:

A 1981 cent goes in the pink piggy bank.
--
Tian
http://tian.greens.org

Latest change: words and pictures from and about SJBP's Seventies Ride.

The screw I got mile 81 of bike the limits is on an Indiana quarter.

[Don Stockbauer]

I'm remembering that line too. It makes more sense than that
contradictory "Follow me, don't follow me" stuff.

[Don Stockbauer]

That's your harshest criticism possible. I'll never recover. Off to
cry in the pecan orchard.

[Don Stockbauer]

And on top of it, you might explain to the readers out there, if any,
what you mean by it, since your last explanation was what, maybe 7
years ago?

[Don Stockbauer]

Test

[Mudge]

On 2011-06-30 04:11:10 -0600, Don Stockbauer said:

> Test

Tickle !

--
The Canadian Curmudgeon (in Calgary)

[Tian]

Mudge wrote:
> On 2011-06-30 04:11:10 -0600, Don Stockbauer said:
>
>> Test
>
> Tickle !
>

I gotta go tinkle...

--
Tian
http://tian.greens.org
Latest change: words and pictures from and about SJBP's Seventies Ride.

The screw I got mile 81 of bike the limits is on an Illinois quarter.

[Don Stockbauer]

On Jun 30, 3:20 pm, Tian <tnhar...@aceweb.com> wrote:
> Mudge wrote:
> > On 2011-06-30 04:11:10 -0600, Don Stockbauer said:
>
> >> Test
>
> > Tickle !
>
> I gotta go tinkle...

"You can ring my bell el el,
Ring my bell."

[Don Stockbauer]

Once Don Oliver and I were doing a lunar grazing occultation near Houston and a person’s home was near the graze path , he gave Don Oliver a huge aloe vera plant , largest I ever saw maybe 4 feet across and 6 feet high , as Don Oliver was loading the plant into his truck he cut himself on the thorns so it worked out very well because he just broke off the tip of one of the leaves and rubbed the juice on the wound.

[Don Stockbauer]

On Thursday, April 12, 2018 at 7:36:49 AM UTC-5, Don Stockbauer wrote:
> Once Don Oliver and I were doing a lunar grazing occultation near Houston and a person’s home was near the graze path , he gave Don Oliver a huge aloe vera plant , largest I ever saw maybe 4 feet across and 6 feet high , as Don Oliver was loading the plant into his truck he cut himself on the thorns so it worked out very well because he just broke off the tip of one of the leaves and rubbed the juice on the wound.

I miss Tian and Mudge.
Mudge is out of reach forever but I assume Tian is still out there.
I'm finding that teasing people never comes to any good.

[Don Stockbauer]

On Saturday, December 11, 2021 at 7:12:22 AM UTC-6, Don Stockbauer wrote:

> Stockbauer's fourth law: carriage return
>
> People are shits.

Yet another law: if you need to do something or want to do something you won't have the right tools.

[Don Stockbauer]

you have a potential infinity of thoughts in your mind. what that means is the number of thoughts truly is infinite but you can only instantiate one at a time and each instantiation takes a finite amount of time so you basically can't express all the thoughts during your lifetime . it just gets back to the cybernetic potential versus actual infinity . I found this out while studying Magritte's painting of a pipe where he labels the painting "this is not a pipe". Of course it's not a pipe, it's a painting of a pipe. So what all else is the painting of a pipe not . It's not a bee, it's not a dog, it's not an electron existing on a planet near the cosmological event horizon. So you can only instantiate what the painting of the pipe is not one at a time. What all this means is all kinds of different things , stories , thoughts , memes have a whole lot of members.
language , debates , conversation are all very nearly infinite. make a statement to your conversational opponent and if they're a good player they can top you.
And so it goes.

[Don Stockbauer]

i'm pretty sure the number of thoughts you have in your mind is a potential infinity because look at a much simpler case that of a computer driving a printer to print out the sequence this is sentence number one this is sentence number two this is sentence number three and so on that's a potential infinity right there in the human mind must be more complicated by a factor of millions or trillions or billions or quadrillion are googl googolplex sure some of those numbers that hofstadter talked about using the arrow notation although I don't know what that is so this explains why there are so many varied things going around out there thoughts and Memes and stuff that's because there's just a whole bunch of possibilities

[Don Stockbauer]

By the way if you're going to use the dictation software on an iPhone be sure to go back and check what it produces very carefully.

[Don Stockbauer]

So maybe all that potential infinity stuff explains the wide diversity we see.

[Don Stockbauer]

I'm wondering if I'm original on that you know the potential infinity
number of thoughts and all that or if I'm just delusional thinking I'm original

there are j7 1/2 billion people on earth someone's bound to have thought of it before right?

[Don Stockbauer]

It doesn't matter whose original idea it was , it could have multiple sources ; the most important thing is to promote it.

[Don Stockbauer]

Humans are not the toolmaking animal; humans are the gameplaying animal.

[Don Stockbauer]

There's another global brain idea that if it has really come about then it is what governs the earth and politicians are just figureheads.

[Don Stockbauer]

Just heard on the radio that if you do the same thing over and over and expect different results you're insane well havent people heard of the uncertainty of initial conditions in chaos theory?

[Don Stockbauer]

Yeah what it is is the global brain would be running the Earth
and politicians are now just figureheads ; interesting, no?

[Don Stockbauer]

maybe they won't be just figureheads maybe they'll place some kind of more important role as leaders of large groups of people.

[Don Stockbauer]

at CSC one time there was a MITRE guy there I think miter might've had some hand in the Apollo program but anyway we were talking about things programmers will do to get their program compiled that are under the counter so I said well what you can do is put in a bunch of write statements which will rearrange the load module and possibly make it Kampala correctly the motor guy says well you shouldn't do that because then it might give wrong answers and do you know that I'm really bad about not piping up right when people say things and it's too late to try to correct them later but anyway I Should've told him that I wouldn't do that I just said that some people might do that so that was a missed opportunity to correct myself so maybe that guy will read this right here although I doubt it he probably never run across it here and hes probably dead anyway I'd go back and correct the Apple dictation which is surely to be strewn with errors but it's too much trouble I think you can decipher it on your own without resorting to the NSA.

[Don Stockbauer]

On Friday, March 4, 2022 at 4:08:46 PM UTC-6, Don Stockbauer wrote:

> Hey Tian, I see where Heifer, International is still going.
>
> They even give away goats now.

Relationships are like the mathematical trap door
function; very hard to make but easy to destroy.

[Don Stockbauer]

The reason why nobody notices the global brain instantiating is
because of the "a rising tide raises all boats " effect .
if we're all rising together and we look out laterally we don't see any change.

[Don Stockbauer]

The best way to have success at SETI is to make sure that
your own planet is as advanced as possible.

[Don Stockbauer]

Do you think it's fair that we're gaining all this almost inconceivable amount of advancement by doing nothing , by self organization, by the metasystem transition and emergence doing all the hard work and we're just sitting back watching Gilligans island?

[Don Stockbauer]

Einstein – God does not play dice.

Hawking – God not only plays dice ,He/She/It sometimes throws them where they cannot be seen.

And to iterate on that:

Once your dice cannot be seen you have to quit playing games.

[Don Stockbauer]

Fantastic insight into the true nature of reality is analogous to insanity.

[Don Stockbauer]

On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 6:12:38 AM UTC-5, Don Stockbauer wrote:

> I am the Lord thy Internet. Thou shalt have no other Internet before me.

Boy, things are sure getting complicated. Is that a good thing, or a bad thing?

[Don Stockbauer]

oh no! He's going to mention it again! there are a cybernetic potential infinity of different posts you can make here the only thing that keeps there from being a true infinity number of posts is the fact that you can only post one thing at a time and it takes a finite amount of time to post each one .

this sentence no verb

[Don Stockbauer]

Do any of the readers here suspect that the ancient curse of Babylon has finally hit our civilization enabled by computers , communication links.....

[Don Stockbauer]

Do you believe in magic, in a young girl's heart?

[Don Stockbauer]

22,000 days
22,000 days
it's not a lot
it's all you've got
22,000 days

Hell, I'm way over that

[Don Stockbauer]

People need to realize how fast the metasystem transition is . I think it would change our ideas about how quickly the atmosphere could be cleaned up and protected. I'm just guessing , if you make an estimate of 100 years without the MST perhaps it would be just five or 10 years with it. But then you can't make an estimate without the metasystem transition occurring because it's automatic.

[Don Stockbauer]

cybernetic effects are very counter intuitive , so you try to tell people about them they'll think you're crazy , tune you out and go on discussing the latest sports figure instead.

[Don Stockbauer]

But we have to make sure hofstadter's law doesn't come in to play because that would make the estimate even longer than 100 years. Any suggestions send them to my email address

[Don Stockbauer]

So, if you have a lot of small organizations working toward preventing climate change do they necessarily form quickly into a metasystem ; necessarily so , not necessarily so ? Quickly , or not quickly? Is a large organization better at bringing about change than a bunch of small ones?

[Don Stockbauer]

5 to 10 years can't be right ; who knows how long it will take if the estimate is initially 100 years?

[Don Stockbauer]

Perhaps the way this works is every system contributing to defeat climate change all the way down to you recycling plastics combines through the meta-system transition to form a global meta-system resisting climate change and this process can be extremely fast since the metasystem transition can be very fast so maybe there's some hope for us.

[Don Stockbauer]

So every nation on the Earth could be considered a system combining into a metasystem (which happens very quickly) called One World or the NewWorld Order or if it has the structure of a living organism it would be called the global brain.

[Don Stockbauer]

Huxley in his novel Brave New World calls the Earth at the time of the novel 600 years in the future the World System. Can there possibly be a stronger system than the Earth becoming a living system?

[Don Stockbauer]

It's nice that all these cybernetic effects like the metasystem transition , emergence , transcendence .....are all totally automatic ; if we depended on humans to do them they'd never get done.

[Don Stockbauer]

The United States government looks like a PTA meeting when compared to global matters.

[Don Stockbauer]

I used to think that the global brain was an automatic shoe in, but then Putin came along . can't have a global brain with no humans left on the earth.

[Don Stockbauer]

Here's the Golden Rule of the Internet:

YOU CAN'T TRUST ANYTHING YOU EXPERIENCE ON THE INTERNET.

[Don Stockbauer]

Shouldn't the solution to climate change in principle be the same as you going out to your car parked in the hot sun all day and then rolling down your windows to relieve the heat?

[Don Stockbauer]

I was talking to somebody about why the Star Child in the movie 2001 only destroyed the orbiting nuclear weapons and he left all the ground ones which certainly would've been enough to fry the earth 1000 times over and he said well Kubrick had to do it for a reason , everything Kubrick did was for a reason , and he must've realized that part of the plot so what I've come up with is the reason he did it is to increase conversation currently , and we all know that increased conversation makes for a more powerful global brain.