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Don Stockbauer

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Sep 28, 2019, 11:19:27 AM9/28/19

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Here we go again.

Don Stockbauer

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Sep 28, 2019, 11:21:39 AM9/28/19

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I'm sitting here posting to alt.fan.hofstadter and a coral snake comes slithering by.

Don Stockbauer

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Sep 29, 2019, 9:34:09 AM9/29/19

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Coral snakes have some of the most toxic venom around. you're pretty safe from them though because from what I hear they're not like a rattlesnake or other pit vipers, they don't strike and inject poison easily , they have to chew their poison into your skin which most people wouldn't allow . I've heard that they are dangerous for a child that has no fear of snakes and would play with one.

Don Stockbauer

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Sep 29, 2019, 11:34:48 PM9/29/19

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Why is there anything at all?

Don Stockbauer

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Oct 1, 2019, 8:00:12 AM10/1/19

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Magritte: This is not a pipe.

OK.

Then list what all else it's not.

A slight challenge.

Don Stockbauer

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Oct 1, 2019, 1:53:50 PM10/1/19

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This is a statement .

How many unique statements are possible?

Don Stockbauer

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Oct 2, 2019, 1:57:13 AM10/2/19

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I'll say this again , I didn't hijack this group , everybody else just dropped out and nobody else will post.

Don Stockbauer

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Oct 4, 2019, 8:41:15 AM10/4/19

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oh well, non-communication seems to be the newest fad.

Don Stockbauer

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Oct 5, 2019, 1:43:16 AM10/5/19

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After all, it's so much easier.

Don Stockbauer

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Oct 6, 2019, 5:12:42 AM10/6/19

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Isn't it ironic that the global brain is instantiating but individual humans are not realizing it.

Don Stockbauer

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Oct 7, 2019, 12:26:57 AM10/7/19

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What factors increase the intelligence of the global brain?

More nodes (people)(neurons).

More communication links (synapses).

Higher level content of messages.

More frequent messaging.

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The world gets more and more populated , that increases the intelligence of the global brain. A more intelligent global brain solves the problem of overpopulation.

What happens when the global brain meme gets spread around the global brain? It gets more and more
self-aware; more and more self-awareness increases the intelligence of the global brain , just as humans are much more self-aware than chimpanzees and thus we are more intelligent .

Don Stockbauer

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Oct 7, 2019, 12:51:12 AM10/7/19

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What can one person know of the totality of the globalbrain ? well , what can one neuron know
of the mind it helps form?

Don Stockbauer

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Oct 7, 2019, 12:53:34 AM10/7/19

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Do global brain's scattered around our galaxy link up via SETI to forum a galactic brain with the same structure as the globalbrain?

Don Stockbauer

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Oct 7, 2019, 12:56:07 AM10/7/19

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What kind of thoughts would a global brain have? something along the lines of "My it's getting hot in here , time to cool things down."

Don Stockbauer

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Oct 7, 2019, 12:58:05 AM10/7/19

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What's the most important invention of all time ? probably radio when you consider that it's necessary for the formation of the globalbrain.

Don Stockbauer

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Oct 7, 2019, 9:20:29 AM10/7/19

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form, not forum.

Don Stockbauer

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Oct 7, 2019, 1:56:42 PM10/7/19

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brains , not brain's.

Don Stockbauer

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Oct 7, 2019, 5:01:25 PM10/7/19

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What would be proof for the globalbrain ? probably if one could prove all the messaging between people and people and their communicating machines took on the form of a neural network.

Don Stockbauer

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Oct 7, 2019, 7:18:47 PM10/7/19

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you know it's impossible to have a physical infinity , like you can't have an infinity of apples , it would fill the universe , what about some other things like sentences? can you have an infinite number of sentences? you can because take the pattern:

this is sentence number one
this is sentence number two
this is sentence number three ....

you're OK as long as you're just thinking about the sentences but don't try to print them out.

Don Stockbauer

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Oct 10, 2019, 3:24:02 AM10/10/19

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Don't let the sound of your own wheels make you crazy.

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Don Stockbauer

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Oct 12, 2019, 5:27:35 AM10/12/19

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Could our civilization the patterned after an endlessly rising canon?

Don Stockbauer

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Oct 12, 2019, 3:18:58 PM10/12/19

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Could it be that the global brain is like a oil super tanker and the world leaders are like minnows trying to control its advance?

Don Stockbauer

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Oct 12, 2019, 8:58:47 PM10/12/19

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So wouldn't it be funny if all these political leaders we all jump up-and-down about are merely figureheads?

Don Stockbauer

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Oct 14, 2019, 5:18:58 AM10/14/19

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There are some user groups which are so vile you wonder how they continue to exist, but they do.

Don Stockbauer

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Oct 14, 2019, 12:54:12 PM10/14/19

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The Conti's have gotten another good cutting of hay.

Don Stockbauer

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Oct 14, 2019, 12:57:23 PM10/14/19

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Boy , I was sick this morning ; diarrhea , intestinal cramps. the best I can figure it was from a Jack in the box hamburger last night . God those things are tiny; I wouldn't have thought that they had enough food in them to cause food poisoning.

Don Stockbauer

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Oct 14, 2019, 5:53:21 PM10/14/19

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Why would our world leaders become figureheads? Because with the invention of person to person communication and person to machine communication that's where the power lies , that's what has taken control.

Don Stockbauer

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Oct 14, 2019, 5:58:00 PM10/14/19

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I forgot to mention it's global communication.

Don Stockbauer

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Oct 14, 2019, 7:21:13 PM10/14/19

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So if globalbrain is really true , what does that say about our future evolution?????

Don Stockbauer

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Oct 16, 2019, 4:57:31 AM10/16/19

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Can one ever talk about the globalbrain too much?

Don Stockbauer

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Oct 16, 2019, 5:49:52 PM10/16/19

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If global brain is locking-in, why are people such a rugged individualists ? I thought it was a hive mind . Answer: people have to be rugged individualists to form a collective intelligence , a.k.a. global brain.
See the criticisms section of the global brain in wiki.

Don Stockbauer

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Oct 17, 2019, 2:28:35 AM10/17/19

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How many possible futures does this planet have ? Many, many, many, depending on the uncertainty of our present initial conditions.

Don Stockbauer

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Oct 17, 2019, 4:42:50 AM10/17/19

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Is disruption good for civilization? too little and things stagnate . too much and the system is destroyed. You dont want to see those Russian ICBMs come over the horizon, or vice versa.

Don Stockbauer

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Oct 17, 2019, 10:08:12 PM10/17/19

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There was an episode of Star Trek where the crew encountered computers made by space aliens millions of years ago . So what does Spock do? He walks right up and programs them just like he was programming in Lisp or C++. After all, he was highly intelligent.

Don Stockbauer

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Oct 18, 2019, 2:41:45 PM10/18/19

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Maybe disruption is like oxygen.

you get too much you go extinct
not enough and you're gonna stagnate.

Don Stockbauer

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Oct 21, 2019, 9:19:20 AM10/21/19

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I read where one mathematician said he was worried that the entire edifice of mathematics would collapse someday like a house of cards down to the statement 1+1 = 2. Well, I wonder if our entire civilization might do the same thing, collapse down to something like a can of Coke.

Don Stockbauer

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Oct 21, 2019, 10:13:03 AM10/21/19

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Did God make a mistake when he created the Universe , that is , that people can be rid of one another by being lazy and doing nothing and thereby cutting off communication?

Don Stockbauer

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Oct 21, 2019, 11:46:36 AM10/21/19

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What does it do to a civilization that develops a communication system where no one can trust anything they receive over it?

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Don Stockbauer

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Oct 22, 2019, 12:43:11 AM10/22/19

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Cold-hearted orb that rules the night,
Removes the colors from our sight.
Red is grey, and yellow white.
Yet we decide which is right.
And which is an allusion.

Don Stockbauer

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Oct 22, 2019, 7:39:48 AM10/22/19

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You know the last time I posted this I think I said allusion instead of illusion back then , it must be really stuck in my mind I guess.

Don Stockbauer

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Oct 22, 2019, 11:54:32 AM10/22/19

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we were talking about destroying Singularity computers and of course they would be highly secured except for perhaps some employee that goes apeshit Berzerk no matter how many psychological tests and this and that and the other they're given.

Don Stockbauer

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Oct 23, 2019, 8:09:52 AM10/23/19

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Do you think nuclear weapons will ever be entirely disarmed, just like taking the firing pin from a rifle?

Don Stockbauer

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Oct 23, 2019, 4:40:08 PM10/23/19

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My father was into homemade radio back in 1930 or so . He built a spark gap transmitter and receiver which he used to signal Morse code. There was one other person in Victoria, Texas that had such a rig and they discovered each other through their rigs. So it was a kind of SETI thing, two intelligent systems discovering each other via radio.

Don Stockbauer

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Oct 23, 2019, 5:43:26 PM10/23/19

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I'm not so sure we'll have highly intelligent AIs or the Singularity but we'll damn sure have some powerful tools.

Don Stockbauer

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Oct 24, 2019, 11:38:06 PM10/24/19

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Carl Sagan's book "Cosmos" has two interesting quotes. The first is on page 275 is:

In only a few decades, sweeping global changes have begun to move in precisely the directions needed for human survival.
A new consciousness is developing which recognizes that we are one species.

Page 281: Through technological advances in communication our planet is in the final stages of being bound up at a breakneck pace into a single global society. If we can accomplish the integration of the Earth without obliterating cultural differences or destroying ourselves, we will have accomplished a great thing.

I believe that Sagan didn't realize that once the person to person and person to machine communication system is created what he spoke of becomes automatic via paradigm shift.
Also, obliterating cultural differences might not be such a bad thing , it might be inevitable given a single global society.

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Don Stockbauer

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Oct 26, 2019, 9:47:14 PM10/26/19

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What could stop the global brain from continuing to develop?

One: The extinction of humanity and/or

Two: The destruction of the human communication system.

Don Stockbauer

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Oct 27, 2019, 7:54:14 AM10/27/19

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How strong is it to be ignored and forgotten? Some lines from the rock opera Tommy by The Who tell at all:

We forsake you.

Gonna rape you.

Let's forget you, better still.

Don Stockbauer

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Oct 28, 2019, 8:41:48 AM10/28/19

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There are people actively working to prevent socialism.
How well would they do working against cybernetic socialism , the socialism brought in automatically by the global brain? They'd have more luck standing on the beach raising their fist against the incoming tide.

"Captain Picard time travels to our time.....

Don Stockbauer

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Oct 28, 2019, 6:21:02 PM10/28/19

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So what is the global brain? It is a neural network formed from the Earth's people and their
communication links . You have a bunch of intelligent entities that like to communicate, it
forms naturally.

Don Stockbauer

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Oct 29, 2019, 9:12:16 PM10/29/19

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About the only way you can learn anything about the global brain is to do thought experiments

Don Stockbauer

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Oct 30, 2019, 11:23:25 AM10/30/19

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So we will eventually develop super-intelligent AIs. What does an AI have to do to become intelligent? It has to interact with people and AIs to receive information and to disseminate information it creates, so what does that mean? It has to become an element of the global brain, which holds it in place.

Don Stockbauer

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Oct 31, 2019, 5:49:30 PM10/31/19

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How can you have a Singularity of AIs if all AIs and all humans are unified into the global brain? In fact, the global brain becomes your Singularity. A benign Singularity, without an actual Singularity.

Don Stockbauer

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Nov 2, 2019, 2:27:43 PM11/2/19

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I wonder if there are any general systems thinkers that don't even know that's what they are.

Don Stockbauer

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Nov 3, 2019, 8:22:42 AM11/3/19

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It's nightmarish , a worldwide game , complex beyond belief, being played for eternity.

Don Stockbauer

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Nov 4, 2019, 5:02:20 AM11/4/19

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Usually when someone drops you as a conversation partner it's over something that is totally unfair.

Don Stockbauer

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Nov 5, 2019, 9:21:27 AM11/5/19

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It seems like 99% of human interaction consists of people refusing to communicate with one another.

Don Stockbauer

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Nov 6, 2019, 9:13:49 PM11/6/19

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Each of us has an enormous power over everyone we know; we can clam up against them.

Don Stockbauer

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Nov 8, 2019, 2:48:29 AM11/8/19

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So if you have a brain of 7 billion neurons each at the level of a human being I wonder how that calculates out as far as capacity and speed as compared to a single human brain?

Don Stockbauer

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Nov 8, 2019, 10:22:40 AM11/8/19

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It seems that capacity goes way up and speed goes down.

Don Stockbauer

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Nov 8, 2019, 12:34:01 PM11/8/19

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I saw a report on this fellow who was into piercings who had a 2 inch hole made in his cheek so that people could look in and see his teeth and tongue. Why not go beyond that, how about a 3 inch hole in the person's skull so you can look in and see the brain operating?

Don Stockbauer

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Nov 9, 2019, 1:56:37 AM11/9/19

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So, if we're having this much trouble with scammers and spammers and ne'er-do-wells and outlaws ,you name
it , on the Internet now , what will we have in 100 years , will the Internet become nothing but one huge scam with nothing valuable in it anymore?

Don Stockbauer

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Nov 10, 2019, 9:13:36 AM11/10/19

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What good does it do to instantiate statements like these?

Don Stockbauer

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Nov 11, 2019, 2:36:23 PM11/11/19

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You're observing one of the most rare events known to astronomy ; that is, Mercury and Venus transiting the sun's disk at the same time, but then a lunar eclipse of the sun ruins it!

Don Stockbauer

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Nov 12, 2019, 6:21:55 PM11/12/19

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What's the most painless death possible ? Standing next to a nuclear bomb when it's detonated , painless because you're vaporized before any nerve impulses could reach your brain.

Don Stockbauer

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Nov 13, 2019, 7:14:24 AM11/13/19

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Which is also vaporized.

Don Stockbauer

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Nov 13, 2019, 7:14:58 AM11/13/19

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Here's the plot for a science-fiction story you can write up . there's a planet where everyone on it , billions of people , write science-fiction. whenever someone gets a science-fiction story published the scenario in that story automatically become reality.

Don Stockbauer

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Nov 14, 2019, 7:11:28 AM11/14/19

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Do you think that governance today is not so much in politics as the people to people communication of the global brain and that basically great world leaders are all just figureheads now?

Don Stockbauer

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Nov 14, 2019, 4:30:10 PM11/14/19

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What is that structure in logic where you assume your own conclusion?

A tautology is a tautology.

What is the resolution to the Epimenides sentence, "This sentence is false"? The resolution is that it's meaningless. Go up to a sailor in a bar and say "This sentence is false".
Prepare yourself for a fat lip.

Don Stockbauer

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Nov 15, 2019, 9:36:31 AM11/15/19

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We've created a system that's 100% chaos . You never know who you're talking to . You never know when your conversational opponent will quit and never chat with you again. Probably would be best to destroy all forms of telecommunication and go back to only voice face-to-face communication.

Don Stockbauer

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Nov 16, 2019, 8:04:38 PM11/16/19

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Maybe that's a little too drastic.

Don Stockbauer

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Nov 17, 2019, 9:58:14 AM11/17/19

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True confessions: I can teach someone the rules of chess and then they can beat me on the first game.

Don Stockbauer

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Nov 17, 2019, 1:27:14 PM11/17/19

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Does this show that I don't have a very good mind for chess?

Don Stockbauer

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Nov 18, 2019, 9:32:17 PM11/18/19

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I'm trying to figure out if free will is a tool?

Don Stockbauer

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Nov 19, 2019, 1:58:44 PM11/19/19

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This penis no sex.

Don Stockbauer

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Nov 20, 2019, 8:48:28 AM11/20/19

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They should hire blind people to drive self-driving cars.

Don Stockbauer

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Nov 21, 2019, 8:45:38 AM11/21/19

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I don't fear death as much as when my intellect goes.

Don Stockbauer

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Nov 21, 2019, 9:41:21 PM11/21/19

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I wanted to state that I did not hijack this group , the few that were in it when I came into it have left or died and no one new is coming into it so that leaves me.

Don Stockbauer

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Nov 22, 2019, 4:26:02 AM11/22/19

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Maybe no one at all reads this?