Greg Ginn can't play
Family Man
he says he watched Greg play bass for five hours. He then says that C'el
doesn't even look at a bass til showtime and it shows. I've heard the
Muskrat Love bootleg from '86, and C'el played a smokin bass. Greg's
guitar playing sucks especially those sloppy solos.
PLaNeTJoe
on the My War cd.
On Thu, 14 Oct 1999 19:45:18 -0500, juic...@hotmail.com (Family Man)
wrote:
Medieval Knievel
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> A lot of times I'd agree with you, but Ginn does some brilliant playin
> on the My War cd.
Depends on what you want from a guitarist. If you want some technically
perfect but emotionally dead playing, get yer eddie van halen. Greg was
sloppy, but if you ever saw him play live, you'd know that he plays a guitar
like it's a fucking UZi.
All the years I've been playing in bands, I'll take a guy with heart over a
guy who plays technically well any day.
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>guitar playing sucks especially those sloppy solos.
>
I don't know about that. I personally think that Greg (at lease when he was in
Black Flag and the old Gone) was one of the most brilliant guitarists that I
have ever heard. I certainlly don't think his solos were sloppy. They were
dissonant, exciting, unpredictable, and given an amazingly passionate delivery.
Greg had his own unique command of the insturment, no one else playing guitar
did or could sound like him, it was his own. It's funny to think that he was
20 years old when he began to play! anyway, I really like the way he plays,
it's like nothig else and I think that Rollins is dead on when he talks about
how heavy and amazing a guitarist Greg Ginn is/was. but that's just my $0.02.
--Alex
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<smell_...@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote:
> Greg was
> sloppy, but if you ever saw him play live, you'd know that he
> plays a guitar
> like it's a fucking UZi.
I thought that playing guitar like a gun was Ted Nugent's copyright.
So that's where it all started....
;o)
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PLaNeTJoe
balls when he plays. Emotionally dead ould be the wank guitarists
like Vai, Malmsteen, Glibert, Macalpine, (pretty much any guy on
Shrapnel Records, I guess).
On Thu, 14 Oct 1999 22:48:42 -0500, "Medieval Knievel"
<smell_...@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>PLaNeTJoe <plan...@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:PoMGOErTimCHxl...@4ax.com...
>> A lot of times I'd agree with you, but Ginn does some brilliant playin
>> on the My War cd.
>
>
>Depends on what you want from a guitarist. If you want some technically
>perfect but emotionally dead playing, get yer eddie van halen. Greg was
>sloppy, but if you ever saw him play live, you'd know that he plays a guitar
>like it's a fucking UZi.
>
Medieval Knievel
Emotionally dead ould be the wank guitarists
> like Vai, Malmsteen, Glibert, Macalpine
I'll agree with you on all these. think my problem with EVH is how pop-ish
he's become since, oh, after fair warning, which is the last good VH album,
IMO.
jimn...@my-deja.com
Alex, you nailed this one to the T. The only thing I can add is Ginn's
playing is even more amazing today then ever. To the guy who said Cel's bass
playing was "smokin", no offense but what are you "smokin"? Cel was the
weakest musician who ever set foot in Black Flag. One last thing, there is a
new mp3 page at the SST superstore web site with releases from Greg's new
projects. Anyone can go over there for themselves and check out what Ginn's
been up to. Highly recommended.
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Before you buy.
Geg Grinn
>he says he watched Greg play bass for five hours. He then says that C'el
>doesn't even look at a bass til showtime and it shows. I've heard the
>guitar playing sucks especially those sloppy solos.
hate to break it to you, but Ginn is a genius guitarist. He is simply one of
the most unique guitarists to ever play. He coaxed one of the most unique and
recognizable sounds out of some of the most atypical equipment possible. He
used Dan Armstrong plexi-guitars for a lot of Flag's stuff. He totally
rewired the thing to use aftermarket pickups (not easy if you know how those
Dan Armstrong guitars were wired together) and fixed a different bridge on the
thing. Then he ran into a Peavey Solid State PA head instead of a guitar
head. That's how he got a good chunk of his sound since those things sucked
for doing voices. Then he ran into a custom built, heavy-ass cabinet.
Everything about the combo is wrong, but his playing made it right. No, it's
not your Eddie Van Halen technically perfect tube-driven Marshall sound and
that's what makes it so hot. Anyone could play through VH's stack and get
some decent sounds even if they didn't do the playing, but how many people
could play a plastic guitar through a solid state head designed for a
different purpose into a crazy custom built cabinet and pull off those sounds
successfully (the answer is not many.)
Besides equipment, the guy has a very real style. Those notes being played
aren't accidents even if they sound like them. He had something down there.
Watching old videos of him playing makes me realize he's a guitar god that not
enough people saw. He's driven. He needs to play on those records. Listen
to Slip It In and hear how smooth he can play when he wants to play that way.
Then listen to those guitar fills in between things. Genius. Listen to I Can
See You off of In My Head and hear how accurate and clear he is on those
repetitive lines. You try that playing without wanking off and being goofy.
Listen to You Let Me Down and try to figure out where that shit came from.
Listen to side two of My War and hear the balls he had in playing songs that
slow and all those amazing guitar breaks. It's just a shame he felt the need
to play bass on that album, too... the songs sounded better with Emil on drums
and Chuck on bass.
Whatever my problems with Ginn may be in how he runs his business, he was a
brilliant guitarist. I don't like his stuff now (too metal-influenced... like
he's degrading his playing to sound like someone else,) but you can't erase
that genius on those records he did in the late 70s to mid 80s.
scott beadle
(musicians talking about muscianship‹shoot me)
but about danzig saying biscuits was/is an amazing drummer:
he may not be a drummer, but he obviously recognizes talent
when he sees/hears it. people like rollins and danzig, even if
theyre not proper 'musicians' have been around long enough,
searching in vain for the right people, that they can appreaciate
it when they come across a far-out player.
in my opinion, biscuits was a true innovator on drums, as
electrifying and inspiring in his own way as greg ginn was
to many people. when biscuits left vancouver, almost everyone
in the punk circuit wanted him. yeah, he may have been difficult
to work with, but few deny his talent as a drummer.
oh, and not that it matters, but i've been a drummer over 20 years.
- sb
> --it's been years since i heard a recording from the 86 tour but i
> remember C'el as playing real quick, clean and all over the fret-board.
> and he doesn't play with a pick which is a plus in my opinion. i think if
> one isn't a musician they can't judge other musicians. like the shit henry
> says about other musicians in his books. like glen danzig saying that
> chuck biscuits is one of the best drummers ever. whoops, glen plays
> guitar, oh well he don't know shit anyway. as for black flag drummers
> though, anthony was the best.
TMinarchic
theyre not proper 'musicians'
Glenn Danzig has been a proper musician since the start of the Misfits he wrote
all of the songs. In Samhain he even recorded a lot of the instruments with him
playing. Sam goes for Danzig. He writes practically everything note on th
albums.
Guido R. Tassitano
Playing an instrument doesnt make you a musician...think about it
TMinarchic
Danzig wrote more great songs then just about any other punk "musician".
Mr Whippie
>Playing an instrument doesnt make you a musician...think about it
>
>
>Danzig wrote more great songs then just about any other punk "musician".
I'd have to say Joe Strummer would get my vote on that.
Cheers,
Whippie
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Thus those above can ensure their position
Only by giving generously to those below."
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Geg Grinn
>all of the songs. In Samhain he even recorded a lot of the instruments with him
>playing. Sam goes for Danzig. He writes practically everything note on th
>albums.
He also ruined all three of his bands (well, maybe not Samhian, but they
sucked anyway... recordings were terrible.)
What was up with him firing all of the musicians in Danzig and they hiring new
ones? And is Samhain back in existence? I saw that Danzig and Samhian on the
same bill for this tour going on from Halloween on. Is it the old line-up or
did the other guys get Glenn's permission to use the name?
Oh, I also believe Rick Rubin rewrote a great deal of their music when he was
acting as producer. I read that in an interview of John Christ.