Help! Cat woes!
BFD
here and there.
I come to you with a problem.
Yesterday, I picked up my brother's cat (Leia, of Princess fame) from his
condo. He is in Vancouver for a week, so I offered to take care of the cat
because I love cats, and didn't think anyone else could take care of his cat
quite as well as I....
I think I was wrong.
Apart from the being the cutest damn cat I've ever seen, this little girl
has got some incredibly sharp, and powerful, claws. No problem. I don't
expect the thing to trust me at face value. I endear myself to it over the
course of about 90 minutes and we're having a grand old time -- I would say
both of us were purring. I finally manage to get her into the pet carrier,
with absolutely no physical force, and close the door.
Cart her out to the van, and away we go back to my house. Cat is quite
obviously spooked, but nothing too dangerous, until a sudden stop propels
her into the door of the carrier and it pops open. (Trust me, a sudden stop
was my only option in the situation.) Poor little Leia screeches her way to
the back of the van and lets out the most unearthly heart wrenching squawks
the whole way home. I get home and have trouble coaxing her out of the van.
By now, I think she's justified in not trusting me, I guess, but I need to
get her inside. I finally locate her under one of the seats in the van, and
she has the most vacant, blank expression. It's not until I asctually touch
her that she seems aware of my presence. Once aware, she is displeased.
After much scratching and clawing, I manage to get her into the house.
This was roughly 30 hours ago, and I have seen her twice since then. I
found her under my bed this morning. Any attempts to coax her out were
useless. Finally, I picked up the bed and moved it over. She bolted out of
the room, and I haven't seen her since then.
The biggest part of the problem is that she hasn't touched any of the food
or water that I've left out for her. I'm just wondering if anyone knows a
surefire way to get a cat to trust you. I know, I know, if someone here new
that, they'd be rolling in dough, and we'd all have our collections filled
out.
I guess I'm just grasping at straws, since I can't bear to have little Leia
suffering.
Thanks,
Brian
BFD!
David M. Silver
"BFD" <b...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> I'm just wondering if anyone knows a
> surefire way to get a cat to trust you.
Raw chicken livers.
--
David M. Silver www.heinleinsociety.org
"The Lieutenant expects your names to shine!"
Robert Anson Heinlein, USNA '29, Lt.(jg), USN, R'td, 1907-88
Murky
"BFD" <b...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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Catnip. Lots and lots of catnip. Most cats respond to catnip like I
respond to Glenlivet.
Murky
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--
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neither liberty or security."
- Benjamin Franklin
Murky
"BFD" <b...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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> Hello all. Been quite some time since I've posted, though I've been
lurking
> here and there.
>
> I come to you with a problem.
>
> Yesterday, I picked up my brother's cat (Leia, of Princess fame) from his
> condo. He is in Vancouver for a week, so I offered to take care of the
cat
> because I love cats, and didn't think anyone else could take care of his
cat
> quite as well as I....
>
> I think I was wrong.
>
> Apart from the being the cutest damn cat I've ever seen, this little girl
> has got some incredibly sharp, and powerful, claws. No problem. I don't
> expect the thing to trust me at face value. I endear myself to it over
the
> course of about 90 minutes and we're having a grand old time -- I would
say
> both of us were purring. I finally manage to get her into the pet
carrier,
> with absolutely no physical force, and close the door.
>
<snip>
> The biggest part of the problem is that she hasn't touched any of the food
> or water that I've left out for her. I'm just wondering if anyone knows a
> surefire way to get a cat to trust you. I know, I know, if someone here
new
> that, they'd be rolling in dough, and we'd all have our collections filled
> out.
> I guess I'm just grasping at straws, since I can't bear to have little
Leia
> suffering.
> Thanks,
> Brian
> BFD!
Levity aside, if you have a spare bedroom, utility room, basement, whatever,
then you might consider putting Leia there with water, food and a litter
box. She will eventually get hungry and thirsty, have to go to the litter
box, and she'll see that room as "her territory" and do so. This has worked
for my wife and me for all the 25 years we've been owned by cats.
This state of affairs may go on until Leia's person comes back, and you may
never actually see her until then. But she won't starve, die of
dehydration, or explode all over your rug.
Ben Cooper
BFD wrote:
> The biggest part of the problem is that she hasn't touched any of the
> food or water that I've left out for her. I'm just wondering if
> anyone knows a surefire way to get a cat to trust you. I know, I
> know, if someone here new that, they'd be rolling in dough, and we'd
> all have our collections filled out.
>
> I guess I'm just grasping at straws, since I can't bear to have
> little Leia suffering.
Provide food, water and medical attention (for the cat or yourself, as
necessary). A catbox is a nice gesture but doesn't guarantee she won't leave
reminders of why she isn't happy to be there.
Cats cannot be coaxed. It's imperative she remains in the shadows until she
allows her human to take her to where everything smells right.
--
Regards,
Ben Cooper
histo...@hotmail.com
You know you're getting old when you stoop to tie your shoes and wonder what
else you can do while you're down there.
Stephanie
good idea is to give her a shirt or something from her pet human, if you can go
get one. Like dogs, cats do like a familiar scent near their sleeping space.
Stephanie
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http://hometown.aol.com/musiquelle26/myhomepage/profile.html
Dee
--Dee
Howard Berkowitz
friendly when it sticks its head out. Make food and water available in a
sheltered place.
Of my three, Ding was the slowest to get comfortable with me. When he'd
come out, I'd slowly hold out a hand and let him come to it.
Now, he's the most insistent about belly rubs. Admittedly, he is the
most insistent on periodically wailing to announce:
"I can't figure out the purpose of air."
"Is there true meaning for cat and man?"
"What is my motivation?"
"I seem to have mislaid my tail. This distresses me."
As far as I can tell, a combination of French postmodernism, good cheer,
and the weight of the ages.
Howard Berkowitz
<ke4lfgDE...@amsat.org> wrote:
> To encourage fluids, try chicken broth--canned is just fine.
>
> --Dee
>
>
Tomato juice or clamato sometimes works well.
Dr. Rufo
And be sure to reserve a bit of these for yourself -- mixed with some
ice and a decent vodka.
Dr. Rufo
David M. Silver
"Dr. Rufo" <bay...@mindspring.com> wrote:
FOOD THREAD WARNING:
On the chicken livers: there's no way any cat can eat all contained in a
pint container. Saute briefly, after dusting with flour and spices in
wine, bacon grease, bay leaf, etc., [you know the stuff you like] . . .
the cat will think you smell wonderful, afterwards.
LV Poker Player
out to the water dish while you are asleep or something. Maybe you should put
a water dish in each room?
--
Ferengi rule of acquisition #192: Never cheat a Klingon...unless you're sure
you can get away with it.
Nuclear_Waste
lurking
> here and there.
>
> I come to you with a problem.
Does she respond to the sound of the can opener? If so, open a can of tuna
and walk away. Do not attempt to make up to her until she has accepted your
offering to Bubastis. Once this is done, tie some strings to yourself and
walk about like the worlds largest nonthreatening cat toy.
NW
Mike Dworetsky
"BFD" <b...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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The poor thing was very badly frightened by the incident, especially when
combined with being taken from her home.
We found that chopped up raw beef kidneys from the butcher were extremely
effective. No cat can resist them. The advice about giving her a litter
tray, some water, and a dish of food seems pretty good. Use a room without
a carpet.
Unless she had a physical injury that you did not detect, she will
eventually come round. Or die. Be patient. "Never try to outstubborn a
cat."
(NB having a cat-sitter may not work either. We once made the mistake of
not boarding our cat at the cattery but let a student house-sit and feed the
cat. He tried to be friendly, but the poor thing must have thought he had
done away with us and expressed her displeasure in frankly very unpleasant
ways. We had to replace the carpet.)
Keep us all posted on the next exciting episode.
--
Mike Dworetsky
(Remove "pants" spamblock to send e-mail)
> Thanks,
> Brian
> BFD!
>
>
Christopher A. Bohn
On Fri, 27 Jun 2003, Howard Berkowitz wrote:
[...]
> Now, he's the most insistent about belly rubs. Admittedly, he is the
> most insistent on periodically wailing to announce:
>
> "I can't figure out the purpose of air."
To fill volleyballs.
> "Is there true meaning for cat and man?"
What do you mean by "meaning"?
> "What is my motivation?"
Food. Sleep. Attention. Not necessarily in that order, but only one at
a time. Do not disturb while eating or sleeping; do not feed while
sleeping.
> "I seem to have mislaid my tail. This distresses me."
It's returned to the mothership. It will return and reattach itself later
today.
Take care,
cb
--
Christopher A. Bohn ____________|____________
http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/~bohn/ ' ** ** " (o) " ** ** '
"The commanders of armies are more to be pitied than one would
think. Without listening to them, all the world denounces them,
the newspapers ridicule them, and yet, of the thousands who
condemn them, there is not one that could command even the smallest
unit." - Frederick the Great
David M. Silver
lvpoke...@aol.com (LV Poker Player) wrote:
> What worries me is water. 30 hours is a long time. Let's hope she is
> sneaking
> out to the water dish while you are asleep or something. Maybe you should
> put
> a water dish in each room?
Alternative: make sure the door to the bathroom is open, the toilet seat
is up, and you don't have water 'enhancers' or perfumes or dyes in the
bowl.
[Or maybe I've got a weird, lazy, and very self-reliant cat. He did live
out in the alley and eat birds and garbage until we obeyed his orders
and adopted him. When he doesn't like what's in his water bowl, or
doesn't feel like walking *all* the way from bedroom area to kitchen, he
uses it all the time, unless he gets caught and orally reprimanded (in
which case, if he remembers the reprimand [very unlikely], he makes sure
no one's watching the next time).]
BFD
I was playing a late night game of bridge on yahoo, when she saunters into
the room and rubs against my leg as if nothing had happened in the last day
and a half. Cats are truly magnificent!
Thanks to everyone for your suggestions. I had put food and water into most
rooms, and last night I heard her eating some outside my door. She's seems
to be in high spirits, so she must've had some water during the 'Troubles".
Ahhhh, such relief.
Thanks again,
BFD!
"Mike Dworetsky" <plati...@pants.btinternet.com> wrote in message
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Murky
However, your subject line... hmmm... it's the quiet ones you have to watch
:-)
Dee
news:ag.plusone-5A65A...@news.fu-berlin.de...
> [Or maybe I've got a weird, lazy, and very self-reliant cat. He did live
> out in the alley and eat birds and garbage until we obeyed his orders
> and adopted him. When he doesn't like what's in his water bowl, or
> doesn't feel like walking *all* the way from bedroom area to kitchen, he
> uses it all the time, unless he gets caught and orally reprimanded (in
> which case, if he remembers the reprimand [very unlikely], he makes sure
> no one's watching the next time).]
David--
Her whole life, Mu refused to drink water from a bowl. She would drink
from the toilet, the bathtub (even hot and soapy water) the garden hose,
but not her water bowl. But when I put her water in a very large crystal
mug, drank from that just fine!
--Dee
Dr. Rufo
Lalique, Miss Dee? Or, perhaps, Orrefors? Thank you for providing more
anecdotal evidence that G.R.I.T.S. ("Southern ladies")-- and their
cats -- certainly know how to get what they want. <weg>
Rufe
Nohbody
<murk...@spambitesyahoo.com> wrote:
> Glad you and Leia have made it up.
>
> However, your subject line... hmmm... it's the quiet ones you have to watch
> :-)
I'm sooooo glad I didn't have to be the one to say that...
;)
--
Dan Poore
ICQ UIN: 3908950 <http://wwp.mirabilis.com/3908950>
A Meeting of Minds <http://nohbody.com/schtuff/meeting.html> - a
(mostly) cliche-free first contact story (updated periodically)
Stephanie
>[Or maybe I've got a weird, lazy, and very self-reliant cat.
I had a cat who could turn the bathroom faucet on (twist knob,even) because he
preferred his water fresh from the tap.
Murky
We had two cats (mother and daughter) who were addicted to late-night
infomercials; at two in the morning, they'd turn the TV on by standing on
the proper buttons on the remote, and when we took to hiding the remote,
they would use the buttons on the cable converter box. If the tuner wasn't
set to a channel with an infomercial, the daughter would channel-surf until
one came on.
--
Murky
Dont Be Fuelish
as often as required to open jars of catfood and refill
the water thingie. I even change the litterbox if that is
called for. If while I'm doing this the cat wants to act
friendly fine. If not, oh well.
Being alergic to cats I really don't want them in my home.
Tian
--
http://tian.greens.org/
Bush had a fundraiser in Milbrae today. We all went down
to wave signs like "BUSH LIED", "READ 1984", "IMPEACH
BUSH" and worse at him. I got my MEND YOUR FUELISH
WAYS on TV in the background of the Fox News report.
David M. Silver
"Murky" <murk...@spambitesyahoo.com> wrote:
> We had two cats (mother and daughter) who were addicted to late-night
> infomercials; at two in the morning, they'd turn the TV on by standing on
> the proper buttons on the remote, and when we took to hiding the remote,
> they would use the buttons on the cable converter box. If the tuner wasn't
> set to a channel with an infomercial, the daughter would channel-surf until
> one came on.
Makes me wonder what out of human hearing range noice that attracks
cats, and subliminally humans, they broadcast in those things. Whitey
Ardmore would probably be proud of them.
Murky
> In article <10567531...@news-1.ricochet.nethere.net>,
> "Murky" <murk...@spambitesyahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> We had two cats (mother and daughter) who were addicted to late-night
>> infomercials; at two in the morning, they'd turn the TV on by
>> standing on the proper buttons on the remote, and when we took to
>> hiding the remote, they would use the buttons on the cable converter
>> box. If the tuner wasn't set to a channel with an infomercial, the
>> daughter would channel-surf until one came on.
>
> Makes me wonder what out of human hearing range noice that attracks
> cats, and subliminally humans, they broadcast in those things. Whitey
> Ardmore would probably be proud of them.
Haven't thought about "Sixth Column"/"The Day After Tomorrow" in a long
time, David - thanks for bringing old Whitey up again... have to take the
old snow shovel to my paperback library and find my copy.
Both of the cats involved were unusually gregarious, though, and they simply
may have wanted to hear people talking when THEY were awake.... :-)
--
Murky
"A liberal is a man with both feet planted firmly in the air." -
Franklin Delano Roosevelt
CL
I just wanted to thank everyone for the best laugh I have had in many weeks. My
beloved Gran passed away last Wednesday, and while it was truly for the best, I
certainly wasn't ready to say goodbye. I needed that laugh, and I know she
heard me.
PS - she always said guilt was the gift that kept on giving {an Irish thing, to
be sure}, and nothing on earth could make you feel more guilty than herself or
a pissed-off cat!
Cheers,
Elizabeth {Eilíshe}
CL
*remove the falling star to reply*
David M. Silver
cannyla...@aol.comet.com (CL) wrote:
> Hello....the other Elizabeth here {from Reno and truly no angel :-) }
She lies, and she's a redhead too!
>
> I just wanted to thank everyone for the best laugh I have had in many weeks.
> My
> beloved Gran passed away last Wednesday, and while it was truly for the best,
> I
> certainly wasn't ready to say goodbye. I needed that laugh, and I know she
> heard me.
>
Very sorry about your Gran, Eilishe. Glad we could cheer you up.
> PS - she always said guilt was the gift that kept on giving {an Irish thing,
> to
> be sure}, and nothing on earth could make you feel more guilty than herself
> or
> a pissed-off cat!
>
Said the lady who lives in open coyote country and is, therefore, immune
by sure knowledge of the result from the temptation to have a
guilt-imposer! Unless it's a bobcat or larger.
Look for an e-mail, red-headed wench!
> Cheers,
> Elizabeth {Eilíshe}
>
> CL
>
> *remove the falling star to reply*
--
TreetopAngel
> Hello....the other Elizabeth here {from Reno and truly no angel :-) }
>
> I just wanted to thank everyone for the best laugh I have had in many
> weeks. My beloved Gran passed away last Wednesday, and while it was
> truly for the best, I certainly wasn't ready to say goodbye. I needed
> that laugh, and I know she heard me.
Hello, Elizabeth! Glad to meet you and I am sorry for your loss. We are
never ready to say goodbye...
I am glad you had a good laugh, though! Stick around there are plenty more
where that came from.
E!
(I'm NOT an Angel, either)
Dont Be Fuelish
>I'm NOT an Angel
Says the angel that made Tramp Royale magically apear in my world.
Tian
--
http://tian.greens.org/
Bush had a fundraiser in Milbrae today. We all went down
to wave signs like "SPACE ALIENS TOOK THE WEAPONS
OF MASS DESTRUCTION!" at the limos going by and have
a good time opposing this illegal regime in Washington.
CL
>
>Said the lady who lives in open coyote country and is, therefore, immune
>by sure knowledge of the result from the temptation to have a
>guilt-imposer! Unless it's a bobcat or larger.
>
sezwho? I have had cats all my life until moving in with Duncan. Then I decided
to keep the man rather than moving back to town for the cats....by that time my
dad had spoiled them to death anyway!
TreetopAngel
> TreetopAngel wrote:
>
>> I'm NOT an Angel
>
> Says the angel that made Tramp Royale magically apear in my world.
>
>
>
> Tian
That wasn't magic, just a trip to the USPS...oh wait, you're right, it was
magic :-)
E!
Bill Reich
> Good ole Leia found me!
>
> I was playing a late night game of bridge on yahoo,
You play on Yahoo?? I don't play there much but I post on the message
boards and sometimes play if Uncle Den or someone wants to and I have
some time. I don't like the sofware so I don't play there as often as
I might.
> when she saunters into
> the room and rubs against my leg as if nothing had happened in the last day
> and a half. Cats are truly magnificent!
ONLY a day and a half. The late Feather disapperated for forty-eight
hours when I first brought him home and I thought I had lost my kitten
for good. Then he walked out of the wall and complained about the
stale food and we were ok. Then we moved and he hid for three days but
his food and water were being utelized so I wasn't too worried and I
woke up with his paw pulling on my wrist for some attention and we
were ok. Not ok now but coping.
> Thanks to everyone for your suggestions. I had put food and water into most
> rooms, and last night I heard her eating some outside my door. She's seems
> to be in high spirits, so she must've had some water during the 'Troubles".
>
> Ahhhh, such relief.
>
>
> Thanks again,
> BFD!
--
Will in New Haven
"Of course she bit him. He shouldna come up on the porch."
"He LIVES here."
the saga of the Chow down the street
Denny Wheeler
wrote:
>"BFD" <b...@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:<6r_Ka.332224$Vi5.8...@news1.calgary.shaw.ca>...
>> Good ole Leia found me!
>>
>> I was playing a late night game of bridge on yahoo,
>
>You play on Yahoo?? I don't play there much but I post on the message
>boards and sometimes play if Uncle Den or someone wants to and I have
>some time. I don't like the sofware so I don't play there as often as
>I might.
I rather like the software on the Microsoft Gamezone--or I did, the
last time I was there. Sometime I have to join OKBridge. Didn't know
there was bridge on Yahoo. That might get me to get an account there.
I'm not overfond of Yahoo in general.
--
-denny (curmudgeon)
"I'm full of good answers--sometimes it's the question that's wrong."
Miss Behavin'
David M. Silver
Denny Wheeler <den...@TANSTAAFL.zipcon.net.INVALID> wrote:
Anyone have any knowledge whether the interface does Mac?
Murky
> In article <1sj1gvs9kg87kq21j...@4ax.com>,
> Denny Wheeler <den...@TANSTAAFL.zipcon.net.INVALID> wrote:
>
>
> Anyone have any knowledge whether the interface does Mac?
I've played Scrabble on a 233 MHz G3 iMac, OS 8.6 on Yahoo Literati, and in
general haven't noticed much difference between playability on Yahoo on
iMacs versus Wintel machines. But you will want to upgrade your Java engine
on your browser, because Yahoo games and chatrooms are Java-intensive, and
the standard Java you get with OS 8.6 won't cut it.
Good luck!
Murky
--
"There's nothing like horrendous physical pain to quell angry fanatics.
So sorry they're angry - wait until they see American anger. Japanese
kamikaze pilots hated us once, too. A couple of well-aimed nuclear
weapons got their attention." - Ann Coulter, "Treason"
David M. Silver
"Murky" <murk...@spambitesyahoo.com> wrote:
> haven't noticed much difference between playability on Yahoo on
> iMacs versus Wintel machines. But you will want to upgrade your Java engine
> on your browser, because Yahoo games and chatrooms are Java-intensive, and
> the standard Java you get with OS 8.6 won't cut it.
>
> Good luck!
It seemed to work on OS X.2.6 running Safari. Wouldn't say I
distinguished myself, but at least there were four 'live' people in the
room instead of just me and that idiot Omar Sharif.
;-)
Denny Wheeler
<ag.pl...@verizon.net> wrote:
>Anyone have any knowledge whether the interface does Mac?
I can't speak to Yahoo--but MSN Zone (formerly Microsoft GameZone)
doesn't do anything but Windows. Unfortunately--but unsurprisingly.
OKBridge does indeed support the Mac. It's not free, though. 7-day
free trial; $99/year. If one is looking for the toughest online
bridge, OKBridge is the place. One can play against world champions,
national/regional champions, etc there. (I've played a lot of
tournament bridge and used to own a duplicate bridge club.)
TreetopAngel
>...used to own a duplicate bridge club.)
You paid for a copy???
<shrug>
E!
(and how would you hit something with it?)
Murky
Where I'm from, "playing bridge" involves a long 2" x 6" plank and a ditch
:-)
--
Murky
--
Denny Wheeler
<treetopan...@micro-mania.net> wrote:
>Denny Wheeler wrote:
>>...used to own a duplicate bridge club.)
>
>You paid for a copy???
Well, it was a short club.
><shrug>
>
>E!
>(and how would you hit something with it?)
I bashed. But was found out when Master Sean used the
Kaplan-Sheinwold test.
,
,
,
,
,
,
,
,
,
,
,
.
,
Thank you, Randall Garrett. :)
Dont Be Fuelish
>TreetopAngel wrote:
>> Denny Wheeler wrote:
>>> ...used to own a duplicate bridge club.)
>> You paid for a copy???
>> <shrug>
>> E!
>> (and how would you hit something with it?)
>
>Where I'm from, "playing bridge" involves a long 2" x 6"
>plank and a ditch :-)
For me it is finding a creek in the woods with lots of
fallen trees crossing it, and then walk across on one
and back on another, and so on until the mood passes.
I played a short version of that game just a few months
ago, on a hike. It is still fun after all these years....
Tian
--
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Last evening I turned around the 5 Escudos note above my
desk. Now Manuel Bulnes is overseeing my workspace.
My pictures of the SF Gay Pride March are a set of pages
on my website. Click the banner at the top of the page.
TreetopAngel
> On Tue, 1 Jul 2003 10:31:50 -0600, "TreetopAngel"
> <treetopan...@micro-mania.net> wrote:
>
>> Denny Wheeler wrote:
>>> ...used to own a duplicate bridge club.)
>>
>> You paid for a copy???
>
> Well, it was a short club.
>
>> <shrug>
>>
>> E!
>> (and how would you hit something with it?)
>
> I bashed. But was found out when Master Sean used the
> Kaplan-Sheinwold test.
I had to Google that and there is more there than I ever wanted to know
about Bridge. Give me a good game of solitaire any day!
E!
William Hughes
<murk...@spambitesyahoo.com> wrote:
> TreetopAngel wrote:
> > Denny Wheeler wrote:
> >> ...used to own a duplicate bridge club.)
> > You paid for a copy???
> > <shrug>
> > E!
> > (and how would you hit something with it?)
>
> Where I'm from, "playing bridge" involves a long 2" x 6" plank and a ditch
> :-)
Around here, it's an Army NCO and a Wolverine...
RB
"That which does not kill us only makes us stronger." - Nietzsche
Howard Berkowitz
den...@zipcon.net wrote:
Master Sean would have interesting times analyzing my Symbolism and
Intent when I stopped playing duplicate, and (regrettably in hindsight)
tried to forget bridge in general. Honest, I saw more literal bloodshed
with partners hitting each other with card trays during post-mortems
than I did as a high school wrestler.
Wondering now...when, in one of the books, Master Sean threw a
reflect-intent spell onto someone trying to attack him physically,
rendering the attacker a statue, was that the Stayman Convention?
Denny Wheeler
<treetopan...@micro-mania.net> wrote:
>> I bashed. But was found out when Master Sean used the
>> Kaplan-Sheinwold test.
>
>I had to Google that and there is more there than I ever wanted to know
>about Bridge. Give me a good game of solitaire any day!
Note that I thanked Randall Garrett--I stole the bridge/bridgeplayer
puns directly from one of his Lord Darcy yarns. (great stuff, those!)
Jackie
news:ag.plusone-5A65A...@news.fu-berlin.de...
> In article <20030627073159...@mb-m12.aol.com>,
> lvpoke...@aol.com (LV Poker Player) wrote:
>
> > What worries me is water. 30 hours is a long time. Let's hope she is
> > sneaking
> > out to the water dish while you are asleep or something. Maybe you
should
> > put
> > a water dish in each room?
>
>
> Alternative: make sure the door to the bathroom is open, the toilet seat
> is up, and you don't have water 'enhancers' or perfumes or dyes in the
> bowl.
One of our cats has a rather unusual drinking habit. After he came to live
with me, I noticed his strange habit of dipping a paw into the water dish,
then sucking the water off that paw. Rather confusing until we saw him
doing this with a recently watered plant. It turns out that when he was
living in a flower shop, the most convenient water was in the plants. And
since he couldn't stick his head in with the plant, he figured out how to
drink off his paw.
~*~Jackie~*~
Denny Wheeler
<h...@gettcomm.com> wrote:
>In article <tbr3gv0fki1l6t90n...@4ax.com>,
>den...@zipcon.net wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 1 Jul 2003 10:31:50 -0600, "TreetopAngel"
>> <treetopan...@micro-mania.net> wrote:
>>
>> >Denny Wheeler wrote:
>> >>...used to own a duplicate bridge club.)
>> >
>> >You paid for a copy???
>>
>> Well, it was a short club.
>>
>> ><shrug>
>> >
>> >E!
>> >(and how would you hit something with it?)
>>
>> I bashed. But was found out when Master Sean used the
>> Kaplan-Sheinwold test.
>> ,
>> ,
>> Thank you, Randall Garrett. :)
>
>Master Sean would have interesting times analyzing my Symbolism and
>Intent when I stopped playing duplicate, and (regrettably in hindsight)
>tried to forget bridge in general. Honest, I saw more literal bloodshed
>with partners hitting each other with card trays during post-mortems
>than I did as a high school wrestler.
>
>Wondering now...when, in one of the books, Master Sean threw a
>reflect-intent spell onto someone trying to attack him physically,
>rendering the attacker a statue, was that the Stayman Convention?
Probably. Though, depending who the attacker was, it could've been a
Jacoby Transfer.
Denny Wheeler
wrote:
>Around here, it's an Army NCO and a Wolverine...
But if the NCO went to the U. of Michigan?
TreetopAngel
> On Tue, 1 Jul 2003 16:16:29 -0600, "TreetopAngel"
> <treetopan...@micro-mania.net> wrote:
>
>>> I bashed. But was found out when Master Sean used the
>>> Kaplan-Sheinwold test.
>>
>> I had to Google that and there is more there than I ever wanted to
>> know about Bridge. Give me a good game of solitaire any day!
>
> Note that I thanked Randall Garrett--I stole the bridge/bridgeplayer
> puns directly from one of his Lord Darcy yarns. (great stuff, those!)
Ahh! Those would have to be directed towards my better half, he has read
the Lord Darcy in this house. And then I sent the book to Pixelmeow...
E!
TreetopAngel
Too true!
E!
Nohbody
<den...@TANSTAAFL.zipcon.net.INVALID> wrote:
> On Tue, 01 Jul 2003 19:32:59 -0500, William Hughes <cvp...@texas.net>
> wrote:
>
> >Around here, it's an Army NCO and a Wolverine...
>
> But if the NCO went to the U. of Michigan?
You'd then have a Wolverine driving wolverine.
The NCO in question, though, is John Atkinson, an AFH (among other
groups) regular who happens to currently be deployed in Iraq, as part
of 4ID, and who operates an M104 Wolverine*.
--
Dan Poore
ICQ UIN: 3908950 <http://wwp.mirabilis.com/3908950>
A Meeting of Minds <http://nohbody.com/schtuff/meeting.html> - a
(mostly) cliche-free first contact story (updated periodically)
pixelmeow
<treetopan...@micro-mania.net> scribbled:
Who *tried* to read it, I really did, but lost interest, and went to
Harry Turtledove, and never looked back...
--
~teresa~
AFH Barwench
^..^ "Never try to outstubborn a cat." Robert A. Heinlein ^..^
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LV Poker Player
>Who *tried* to read it, I really did, but lost interest, and went to
>Harry Turtledove, and never looked back...
We seem to have quite a few crossover Heinlein/Turtledove fans here. Is
everyone looking forward to The Victorious Opposition next month?
--
Ferengi rule of acquisition #192: Never cheat a Klingon...unless you're sure
you can get away with it.
Ed Reppert
<den...@TANSTAAFL.zipcon.net.INVALID> wrote:
> Well, it was a short club.
LOL.
Denny Wheeler
wrote:
>One of our cats has a rather unusual drinking habit. After he came to live
>with me, I noticed his strange habit of dipping a paw into the water dish,
>then sucking the water off that paw. Rather confusing until we saw him
>doing this with a recently watered plant. It turns out that when he was
>living in a flower shop, the most convenient water was in the plants. And
>since he couldn't stick his head in with the plant, he figured out how to
>drink off his paw.
We had one who drank like that--but he never lived in a flower shop.
pixelmeow
lvpoke...@aol.com (LV Poker Player) scribbled:
>>From: pixelmeow
>
>>Who *tried* to read it, I really did, but lost interest, and went to
>>Harry Turtledove, and never looked back...
>
>We seem to have quite a few crossover Heinlein/Turtledove fans here. Is
>everyone looking forward to The Victorious Opposition next month?
Hell, I'm still trying to build my collection up from what I have. I
tried to get them in publishing order from Amazon, ended up with 3 or
4 of the ones with the Romans in another universe, and 1 or 2 with
Videssos something or other. I want to get all the others from then
to now, but that will be a long task, I think...
R Oxley
"LV Poker Player" <lvpoke...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030703070314...@mb-m04.aol.com...
> >From: pixelmeow
>
> >Who *tried* to read it, I really did, but lost interest, and went to
> >Harry Turtledove, and never looked back...
>
> We seem to have quite a few crossover Heinlein/Turtledove fans here. Is
> everyone looking forward to The Victorious Opposition next month?
>
> --
Yes, I'm following both the WorldWar/Colonization series, and the
Civilwar/Greatwar series as they come out. I grew tired of waiting, and also
started reading the Lost Legion books (after a recommendation from this
group, thank you), but I can't seem to locate the later books in the series.
I'm still working my way around the local used book stores, which is
rewarding in it's own way, as you all know.
The traffic on the Turtledove newsgroup has been quite quiet since shortly
after the last installment in the Great War series came out and was analyzed
to pieces. Many of the regulars there were disgusted with the way Harry
worked National Socialism into the beaten South, paralleling the Weimar
Republic after ourWWI, but I sort of like the way he does things, and in
spite of everything, the books tend to be a pretty good history lesson, even
if he did take history and twist it around to make a novel out of it. I have
gone back many, many times to my encycopediae, and searched the Internet
about charactors and event Turtledove uses in his books, and ended up
learning a great deal more actual US and World History than I ever did in
high school or college classes. I find his books to be intellectually
stimulating. Which is one of the reasons that I also like Tom Clancy (new
book in August!) and Robert Heinlein. That in addition to these gentlemen
all being quite entertaining at the same time.
Bob Oxley
TreetopAngel
> On Wed, 2 Jul 2003 09:04:43 -0600, in alt.fan.heinlein, "TreetopAngel"
> <treetopan...@micro-mania.net> scribbled:
>
>> Denny Wheeler wrote:
>>> On Tue, 1 Jul 2003 16:16:29 -0600, "TreetopAngel"
>>> <treetopan...@micro-mania.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I bashed. But was found out when Master Sean used the
>>>>> Kaplan-Sheinwold test.
>>>>
>>>> I had to Google that and there is more there than I ever wanted to
>>>> know about Bridge. Give me a good game of solitaire any day!
>>>
>>> Note that I thanked Randall Garrett--I stole the bridge/bridgeplayer
>>> puns directly from one of his Lord Darcy yarns. (great stuff,
>>> those!)
>>
>> Ahh! Those would have to be directed towards my better half, he has
>> read the Lord Darcy in this house. And then I sent the book to
>> Pixelmeow...
>
> Who *tried* to read it, I really did, but lost interest, and went to
> Harry Turtledove, and never looked back...
That's what happened to me, too Pix!
E!
Murky
> "LV Poker Player" <lvpoke...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20030703070314...@mb-m04.aol.com...
>>> From: pixelmeow
> The traffic on the Turtledove newsgroup has been quite quiet since
> shortly after the last installment in the Great War series came out
> and was analyzed to pieces. Many of the regulars there were disgusted
> with the way Harry worked National Socialism into the beaten South,
> paralleling the Weimar Republic after ourWWI, but I sort of like the
> way he does things, and in spite of everything, the books tend to be
> a pretty good history lesson,
Tell me real quick - was Huey Long der Fuhrer? I ask because one of the
urban legends which has persisted to this day in Louisiana is that FDR had
Huey Long (then US Senator from Louisiana, and still de facto governor of
Louisiana) assassinated in order to forestall an ominous challenge to his
leadership of the Democratic Party.
There's some support for a National Socialism-like populist totalitarianism
spreading from Louisiana throughout the South - "A chicken in every pot and
a car in every garage" was in a way prefigured by Long's "Every Man a King"
campaign for Governor, then later for the Senate seat. Certainly, the man
was every bit as ruthless as Hitler. His assassin deserves national
gratitude, in my opinion. I shudder to contemplate a United States running
in harness from a Huey Long White House.
> even if he did take history and twist
> it around to make a novel out of it. I have gone back many, many
> times to my encycopediae, and searched the Internet about charactors
> and event Turtledove uses in his books, and ended up learning a great
> deal more actual US and World History than I ever did in high school
> or college classes. I find his books to be intellectually
> stimulating. Which is one of the reasons that I also like Tom Clancy
> (new book in August!) and Robert Heinlein. That in addition to these
> gentlemen all being quite entertaining at the same time.
>
> Bob Oxley
I'm disappointed in Clancy lately. "Executive Orders" was a totally
undeserved mash note to the Saudi ruling family, which paid for 9/11 and is
still hoping to suborn Islam worldwide into an engine for world-wide
conquest. "The Bear and the Dragon" was drawn in overly broad dramatic
strokes, with none of the intricate and satisfying plotting of "Without
Remorse," or "The Cardinal in the Kremlin." I'll still read the new book,
but will probably come away mourning the writer Clancy was.
Now, Harry Turtledove is a whole other matter. He's coming into his prime.
Ever read "The Two Georges?" That was a collaboration between Turtledove
and Richard Dreyfuss in which Britain and the American rebels reached a
mutually satisfactory compromise in which the US remained in the British
Empire.
The fine points which later become themes are unusually satisfying - like
the colonial government exploiting cheap Irish labor to build an industrial
economy solely on coal, cars use steam engines powered by kerosene (which,
as some of us remember, used to be called "coal oil" for good reason),
petroleum remains undiscovered and unused, and the Earth is polarized
between Britannia and the Holy Roman Empire (in which Colonel Napoleon
Bonaparte won a bit of fame by putting down rebellions for the Imperial
Army).
The only clanger in the whole book is some very cheap shots at "Dick the
Steamer King," obviously a reference to what happened to Richard Nixon in
this alternative universe. Otherwise, the high schools and universities of
the English-speaking world could do worse than to include Turtledove's
novels in their history curricula. Like you, I have learned much more about
history than I otherwise might from reading Turtledove - if only, like you,
to verify some of the ridiculous-sounding notions (Earl Warren as President,
for one thing, in the mid-1960s - though his Supreme Court seemed determined
to usurp the prerogatives of both executive and legislative branches in the
"real" universe).
LV Poker Player
>> The traffic on the Turtledove newsgroup has been quite quiet since
>> shortly after the last installment in the Great War series came out
>> and was analyzed to pieces. Many of the regulars there were disgusted
>> with the way Harry worked National Socialism into the beaten South,
>> paralleling the Weimar Republic after ourWWI, but I sort of like the
>> way he does things, and in spite of everything, the books tend to be
>> a pretty good history lesson,
>
>Tell me real quick - was Huey Long der Fuhrer?
No. Der Fuhrer is Jake Featherston, as far as I know made up entirely and
based only on Adolf himself.
Quick recap: The timeline split is in 1862. General Robert E. Lee invades the
North and succeeds. The plan almost goes awry when a copy of the battle plan
almost gets left behind as a field headquarters is moved. Some CSA
footsoldiers find it in time though and prevent it from falling into USA hands.
In the ensuing battle the Army of the Potomac is cut off and badly defeated.
This results in the intervention of England and France and the creation of a
separate southern nation, the CSA. (In our timeline the orders were found by
northern soldiers and the Army of Northern Virginia was lucky to escape more or
less intact).
That is the introduction to the novel How Few Remain. It is set in the early
1880's. An armed truce has existed between the USA and CSA since 1862. The
CSA agrees with the Empire of Mexico to buy the northern provinces of Mexico.
This will give the Empire of Mexico the gold it needs to settle foreign debts,
and give the CSA contiguous territory between the Atlantic and Pacific oceans.
The USA objects and declares war. England and France once again intervene on
the side of their ally the CSA, and the USA is once again defeated. The armed
truce returns until 1914. The novel American Front is the first of the series
The Great War. The Quadruple Entente squares off against the Quadruple
Alliance after Archduke Ferdinand and his wife are assassinated in Sarajevo.
After an initial war of maneuver, trench warfare develops in the Roanoke
valley and elsewhere.
I should end the narrative at this point to avoid spoilers.
Murky
>> From: "Murky"
>
>>> The traffic on the Turtledove newsgroup has been quite quiet since
>>> shortly after the last installment in the Great War series came out
>>> and was analyzed to pieces. Many of the regulars there were
>>> disgusted
>>> with the way Harry worked National Socialism into the beaten South,
>>> paralleling the Weimar Republic after ourWWI, but I sort of like the
>>> way he does things, and in spite of everything, the books tend to be
>>> a pretty good history lesson,
>>
>> Tell me real quick - was Huey Long der Fuhrer?
>
> No. Der Fuhrer is Jake Featherston, as far as I know made up
> entirely and based only on Adolf himself.
>
Thanks, LV
Murky
--
"In Baghdad, (Sean) Penn... looked for weapons of mass destruction, but
the only bomb he found was a bootleg copy of 'Shanghai Surprise'." -
Ann Coulter, "Treason"
pixelmeow
<treetopan...@micro-mania.net> scribbled:
Then I don't feel so bad. I tried, but it didn't work. Now I'm just
itching to get my hands on more Turtledove books, especially after
reading LV's post... thanks, LV!!! And thanks, E, for if you hadn't
sent the Darcy, that I couldn't finish, and went looking for something
(anything!) else, I would never have started on Turtledove... :-)
TreetopAngel
> On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 07:49:47 -0600, in alt.fan.heinlein, "TreetopAngel"
> <treetopan...@micro-mania.net> scribbled:
>
>> pixelmeow wrote:
>>> On Wed, 2 Jul 2003 09:04:43 -0600, in alt.fan.heinlein,
>>> "TreetopAngel" <treetopan...@micro-mania.net> scribbled:
>>>
>>>> Denny Wheeler wrote:
>
>>>>> Note that I thanked Randall Garrett--I stole the
>>>>> bridge/bridgeplayer puns directly from one of his Lord Darcy
>>>>> yarns. (great stuff, those!)
>>>>
>>>> Ahh! Those would have to be directed towards my better half, he
>>>> has read the Lord Darcy in this house. And then I sent the book to
>>>> Pixelmeow...
>>>
>>> Who *tried* to read it, I really did, but lost interest, and went to
>>> Harry Turtledove, and never looked back...
>>
>> That's what happened to me, too Pix!
>
> Then I don't feel so bad. I tried, but it didn't work. Now I'm just
> itching to get my hands on more Turtledove books, especially after
> reading LV's post... thanks, LV!!! And thanks, E, for if you hadn't
> sent the Darcy, that I couldn't finish, and went looking for something
> (anything!) else, I would never have started on Turtledove... :-)
My Pleasure!
While in the bookstore the other day, Charlie and I managed to turn on a 14
year old kid to Terry Pratchett, Neil Gaiman and Charles deLint. I tried to
get him to take a Heinlein juvenile, but he had read it already...and all
the others. :-) When we left we had each others phone numbers and will be
talking some more soon.
E!
P.S. The book buying and selection was monitored by his mother, how
refreshing!
Howard Berkowitz
pixelmeow <NJZLIR...@spammotel.com> wrote:
>
> Then I don't feel so bad. I tried, but it didn't work. Now I'm just
> itching to get my hands on more Turtledove books, especially after
> reading LV's post... thanks, LV!!! And thanks, E, for if you hadn't
> sent the Darcy, that I couldn't finish, and went looking for something
> (anything!) else, I would never have started on Turtledove... :-)
Do get the short story (short novella maybe) "The Road Less Traveled" by
Turtledove.
Incidentally, I could SWEAR there was a sequel to that. Does anyone know
it?
Robert A. Woodward
Howard Berkowitz <h...@gettcomm.com> wrote:
Actually, "The Road not Taken" (November 1985) was a prequel to
"Herbig-Haro" (Analog, Oct 1984 as by "Eric G. Iverson")
--
Robert Woodward <robe...@drizzle.com>
<http://www.drizzle.com/~robertaw
LV Poker Player
>Then I don't feel so bad. I tried, but it didn't work. Now I'm just
>itching to get my hands on more Turtledove books, especially after
>reading LV's post... thanks, LV!!! And thanks, E, for if you hadn't
>sent the Darcy, that I couldn't finish, and went looking for something
>(anything!) else, I would never have started on Turtledove... :-)
General George Custer is mentioned favorably at least once in Heinlein, in Cat.
I think he might be mentioned favorably in one or two other places. For a
somewhat different take on him, read How Few Remain and The Great War series.
TreetopAngel
> On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 16:51:34 -0600, you , "TreetopAngel"
> <treetopan...@micro-mania.net>, wrote:
>
>> Charlie and I managed to turn on a 14 year old kid
>
> have me biting my tongue trying hard not to make facetious responses
> to ...... a temptation that I usually succumb to anyway, but with a
> painful tongue ....
>
> Gads .... from the above I could accuse you of being either vicious or
> being an incipient cradle robber .....especially given the subject
> line of this thread ....
>
> Don't you just *hate* being quoted out of context !!! <VBG>
Aw heck, looking at linoleum turns on a 14 year old...<GRIN>
Anyway, you know he was too young for me...I keep my sights on those DOM's
hanging around here.
<ogling Gnu>
E!
(I don't care if you quote me in or out of context, just quote me baby, just
quote me)
Dr. Rufo
<snip>
> General George Custer is mentioned favorably at least once in Heinlein, in Cat.
> I think he might be mentioned favorably in one or two other places. For a
> somewhat different take on him, read How Few Remain and The Great War series.
>
The citation to which you refer, is, I believe, Uncle Jock relaying a
message from Lazarus to Richard Campbell, to wit:
"to which he adds that Custer was a far more brilliant general than
Evans ever was."
My reading of this is not necessarily "favorable" towards Custer --
egad, the man was a "Lloyds banker"! -- which I feel reasonably
certain that RAH knew. Rather, the comment is intended, I believe, as
a disparaging evaluation of the military capabilities of the erstwhile
Walker Evans.
Contrariwise, Lazarus was trying to get Dickie-boy to do something and
it's demonstrable that Lazarus would "say anything" to get his own way.
YMMV,
Dr. Rufo
bookman
"TreetopAngel" <treetopan...@micro-mania.net> wrote in message
news:be6mfc$1m09f$1...@ID-164920.news.dfncis.de...
> Hairy Antelope wrote:
> > On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 16:51:34 -0600, you , "TreetopAngel"
> > <treetopan...@micro-mania.net>, wrote:
> >
> >> Charlie and I managed to turn on a 14 year old kid
> >
> > Ms, E!, may I plead with you not to feed me lines such as these that
> > have me biting my tongue trying hard not to make facetious responses
> > to ...... a temptation that I usually succumb to anyway, but with a
> > painful tongue ....
> >
> > Gads .... from the above I could accuse you of being either vicious or
> > being an incipient cradle robber .....especially given the subject
> > line of this thread ....
> >
> > Don't you just *hate* being quoted out of context !!! <VBG>
>
> Aw heck, looking at linoleum turns on a 14 year old...<GRIN>
>
> Anyway, you know he was too young for me...I keep my sights on those DOM's
> hanging around here.
If the OM stands for Older Men, where does that
leave me?
Rtb
Chooch
And you are definitely exceptional.
E!
bookman
"Chooch" <cho...@micro-mania.net> wrote in message
news:bea9e3$2uako$1...@ID-193438.news.dfncis.de...
>
> "bookman" wrote:
> > If the OM stands for Older Men, where does that
> > leave me?
> >
> > Rtb
> >
> There are always exceptions to the rule...:-)
>
> And you are definitely exceptional.
<Blush, scuffle> Aw, shucks...
(((E!)))
Rtb
<stealth patass>
bookman
"Hairy Antelope" <o66c...@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
news:r35hgvkinjpnqqaec...@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 06 Jul 2003 17:45:15 GMT, you , "bookman"
<thebo...@kc.rr.comNULL>, wrote:
>
> >If the OM stands for Older Men, where does that
> >leave me?
>
Never! Hell, Motherthing is older than me. Negotiate
yer own deal with her, ya greedy bastich. How's yer
hollandaise? <WEG>
>
> (Come to think of it, what *WAS* a Whipper Snapper, and why are they
> usually *young* Whipper Snappers)
One might make a guess at the "popper" at the end of
a long, singel-strand whip. A young strand hasn't been
all frayed & used up. Which doesn't mean that the old
whipper-snapper ain't effective, either... <EG>
Rtb
Denny Wheeler
<o66c...@sneakemail.com> wrote:
>(Come to think of it, what *WAS* a Whipper Snapper, and why are they
>usually *young* Whipper Snappers)
From M-W online:
Main Entry: whip搆er新nap搆er
Function: noun
Etymology: alteration of snippersnapper
Date: 1700
: a diminutive, insignificant, or presumptuous person
For 'snippersnapper' there is only
Etymology: origin unknown
Date: circa 1590
(defined as 'whippersnapper')
Dr. Rufo
<snip>
> One might make a guess at the "popper" at the end of
> a long, singel-strand whip. A young strand hasn't been
> all frayed & used up. Which doesn't mean that the old
> whipper-snapper ain't effective, either... <EG>
The "popper" on the end of a whip works most effectively once it has
become slightly "frayed" with wear & tear. It requires more effort on
the part of the "whip snapper" when it is newly replaced and also when
it is overly-frayed.
Any application of this observation to other subjects/objects, I leave
as an exercise for the student(s).
Dr. Rufo
Murky
> On Sun, 06 Jul 2003 23:29:44 +0200, Hairy Antelope
> <o66c...@sneakemail.com> wrote:
>
>> (Come to think of it, what *WAS* a Whipper Snapper, and why are they
>> usually *young* Whipper Snappers)
>
> From M-W online:
> Main Entry: whip搆er新nap搆er
> Function: noun
> Etymology: alteration of snippersnapper
> Date: 1700
>> a diminutive, insignificant, or presumptuous person
>
> For 'snippersnapper' there is only
> Etymology: origin unknown
> Date: circa 1590
> (defined as 'whippersnapper')
Not disputing the cite, but in his novel "That Hideous Strength," C.S. Lewis
had a resurrected Merlin (yes, _that_ Merlin, of King Arthur and Camelot
fame, who spoke Latin and not anything recognizable as modern English) call
someone a "mastigia," which according to him, translated directly to
"whippersnapper."
True to my name, just clouding the issue.... :-)
--
Murky
--
"Unless we fight for proper treatment of history and counter the
nonsense images of McCarthy, no history can be safe from the liberal
noise machine... Bill Clinton will be revered in history books as the
George Washington of his day, who along with patriots Larry Flynt and
James Carville, "saved the Constitution." He will be honored with a
memorial larger than the Washington Monument (though probably with the
same general design)." - Ann Coulter, "Treason"
Chooch
"Hairy Antelope" wrote:
> On Sun, 6 Jul 2003 23:34:54 -0500, you , "bookman"
<thebo...@kc.rr.comNULL>, wrote:
>
> >"Hairy Antelope" <o66c...@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
>
> >> >If the OM stands for Older Men, where does that
> >> >leave me?
> >>
> >> In training - waitchaturnyayoungwhippersnapper ...
> >
> >Never! Hell, Motherthing is older than me. Negotiate
> >yer own deal with her, ya greedy bastich. How's yer
> >hollandaise? <WEG>
>
> I think it's time you were taken out behind the shed, and some sense
> knocked into you .... you want to be the older male, *and* the younger
> male ... Now thats Just Not Right !!!! (Or Fair, Or SOmething)
>
Rusty has the maturity, courtesy, chivalry and charm of a man much older
than himself...and all that packed into a young man's body...the best of
both worlds IMO. Motherthing is the luckiest woman around!
E!
Chooch
"bookman" wrote:
>
> "Chooch" <cho...@micro-mania.net> wrote in message
> news:bea9e3$2uako$1...@ID-193438.news.dfncis.de...
> >
> > >
> >
> > And you are definitely exceptional.
>
> <Blush, scuffle> Aw, shucks...
>
> (((E!)))
>
> Rtb
> <stealth patass>
>
>
E!
Motherthing
I certainly think so!!
Motherthing
Chooch
"Motherthing" wrote:
BTW, did you get to try any of those beers??? If you did, did you have
a preference?
E!
Motherthing
>
> "Motherthing" wrote:
>
> > "Chooch" <cho...@micro-mania.net> wrote in message
> > news:becq4p$3mgat$1...@ID-193438.news.dfncis.de...
> > >
> older
> > > than himself...and all that packed into a young man's body...the
> best of
> > > both worlds IMO. Motherthing is the luckiest woman around!
> > >
> > > E!
> > >
> > >
> >
> > I certainly think so!!
> >
> > Motherthing
> >
> BTW, did you get to try any of those beers??? If you did, did you have
> a preference?
>
> E!
>
>
I got to taste them, but we have since come to the conclusion that I'm
allergic to the yeast in beer and bread. We'll see if that pans out with
more experimentation.
Motherthing
bookman
"Chooch" <cho...@micro-mania.net> wrote in message
news:becq4p$3mgat$1...@ID-193438.news.dfncis.de...
> Rusty has the maturity, courtesy, chivalry and charm of a man much older
> than himself...and all that packed into a young man's body...the best of
> both worlds IMO. Motherthing is the luckiest woman around!
>
> E!
<CoughSplutterCoughchokehack> Is it possible to perish
from terminal blushing?!?
Thank you, E! Aside from being kind, cuddly, sweet,
sexy & pretty, not to mention warm & caring, you are a
pretty class act.
Regards,
Rusty the crimson-eared bookman
bookman
> On Sun, 6 Jul 2003 23:34:54 -0500, you , "bookman"
<thebo...@kc.rr.comNULL>, wrote:
>
> >"Hairy Antelope" <o66c...@sneakemail.com> wrote in message
>
> >> >leave me?
> >>
> >> In training - waitchaturnyayoungwhippersnapper ...
> >
> >Never! Hell, Motherthing is older than me. Negotiate
> >yer own deal with her, ya greedy bastich. How's yer
> >hollandaise? <WEG>
>
> knocked into you .... you want to be the older male, *and* the younger
> male ... Now thats Just Not Right !!!! (Or Fair, Or SOmething)
Not only that, but I beg for mercy through youth & inexperience,
as well as long and faithful service...
'Sides, I gotta live up to _your_ example - d'ya
think that's easy? ;-)
Regards,
Rusty the bookman
bookman
<WEG> <not-so-stealthy patass, with grope...>
Rtb
Denny Wheeler
<murk...@spambitesyahoo.com> wrote:
> in his novel "That Hideous Strength," C.S. Lewis
>had a resurrected Merlin (yes, _that_ Merlin, of King Arthur and Camelot
>fame, who spoke Latin and not anything recognizable as modern English)
Of course it was *that* Merlin. aka Merlinus Ambrosius.
(read and enjoyed the 'Perelandra' trilogy; no doubt will do so again)
Chooch
"Motherthing" wrote:
> "Chooch" <cho...@micro-mania.net> wrote in message
> news:bectap$3o678$1...@ID-193438.news.dfncis.de...
> >
> > BTW, did you get to try any of those beers??? If you did, did you
have
> > a preference?
> >
> > E!
> >
> >
>
> I got to taste them, but we have since come to the conclusion that I'm
> allergic to the yeast in beer and bread. We'll see if that pans out
with
> more experimentation.
>
> Motherthing
>
I've never been much of a beer drinker so that wouldn't be a
problem...but giving up yeast breads??? I couldn't do it!
E!
Chooch
Well, I could have said, "Throw the bum out!!" :-)
E!
(call em as I see em)
Motherthing
It's hard, but I seem to be managing it. I seem to be able to eat small
amounts without adverse effects. I'm replacing yeast breads with
non-leavened breads and phyllo. It works almost as well for what I need it
to.
Motherthing
Murky
> On Mon, 7 Jul 2003 15:42:55 -0600, "Murky"
> <murk...@spambitesyahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> in his novel "That Hideous Strength," C.S. Lewis
>> had a resurrected Merlin (yes, _that_ Merlin, of King Arthur and
>> Camelot fame, who spoke Latin and not anything recognizable as
>> modern English)
>
> Of course it was *that* Merlin. aka Merlinus Ambrosius.
> (read and enjoyed the 'Perelandra' trilogy; no doubt will do so again)
You'd be surprised (as I was, reading over my wife's shoulder while she
earned her BA in British History) how many people named "Merlin" existed
before, during and after the reputed reign of the king or warlord named
Arthur, or Artorius, or...
So I decided to not confuse people by referring to that character as
"Merlinus Ambrosius."
BTW, I think that you could make one terrific movie out of "That Hideous
Strength." The previous two novels in the Perelandra trilogy would, in my
judgment, be more suited to the sort of feature BBC exports here to the
States, but THS would have people screaming in their theater seats, properly
made.
--
Murky
--
"There's nothing like horrendous physical pain to quell angry fanatics.
So sorry they're angry - wait until they see American anger. Japanese
kamikaze pilots hated us once, too. A couple of well-aimed nuclear
weapons got their attention." - Ann Coulter, "Treason"
Chooch
"bookman" wrote:
>
> "Chooch" <cho...@micro-mania.net> wrote in message
> news:becqam$3p11f$1...@ID-193438.news.dfncis.de...
> >
> > "bookman" wrote:
> > >
> > > "Chooch" <cho...@micro-mania.net> wrote in message
> > > news:bea9e3$2uako$1...@ID-193438.news.dfncis.de...
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > There are always exceptions to the rule...:-)
> > > >
> > > > And you are definitely exceptional.
> > >
> > > <Blush, scuffle> Aw, shucks...
> > >
> > > (((E!)))
> > >
> > > Rtb
> > > <stealth patass>
> > >
> > >
> > <obvious repeat passby>
> >
> > E!
>
> <WEG> <not-so-stealthy patass, with grope...>
>
> Rtb
>
E!
Chooch
E!
bookman
Sourdough may not be a problem, E! Different
leavening agent. There's yeasts & yeasts, ya know?
Rtb
bookman
>
> "bookman" wrote:
> > <WEG> <not-so-stealthy patass, with grope...>
> >
> > Rtb
> >
> <stopping and considering>
>
> E!
My, you're pretty when you think!
Rtb
Chooch
> >
> > "Motherthing" wrote:
> > >
> > > It's hard, but I seem to be managing it. I seem to be able to eat
> > small
> > > amounts without adverse effects. I'm replacing yeast breads with
> > > non-leavened breads and phyllo. It works almost as well for what
I
> > need it
> > > to.
> > >
> > > Motherthing
> > >
> > But you just can't substitute a good sourdough...
> >
> > E!
>
> Sourdough may not be a problem, E! Different
> leavening agent. There's yeasts & yeasts, ya know?
>
> Rtb
>
>
Too true, Charlie has what we think is an allergy to hops. He gets 'hay
fever' symptoms everytime he drinks beer, but not when he eats bread.
E!
Chooch
E!
Christopher A. Bohn
On Sat, 12 Jul 2003, Hairy Antelope wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 17:04:17 -0600, you , "Chooch" <cho...@micro-mania.net>, wrote:
>
>
> >Too true, Charlie has what we think is an allergy to hops. He gets 'hay
> >fever' symptoms everytime he drinks beer, but not when he eats bread.
>
> E!, I just can't help the image that brings to mind ....
>
> <Slurp> .... <sneeze> .... oh, sorry, here let me wipe that up ....
So Charlie can have "KEYBOARDS" even when something's not funny. No
wonder Elizabeth got into the keyboard sterilizing racket.
Take care,
cb
--
Christopher A. Bohn ____________|____________
http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/~bohn/ ' ** ** " (o) " ** ** '
"Technology and air power are integrally and synergistically
related." - P Meilinger, "Ten Propositions Regarding Air Power"
Chooch
"Christopher A. Bohn" wrote:
> Good morning,
>
> On Sat, 12 Jul 2003, Hairy Antelope wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 11 Jul 2003 17:04:17 -0600, you , "Chooch"
<cho...@micro-mania.net>, wrote:
> >
> >
> > >Too true, Charlie has what we think is an allergy to hops. He gets
'hay
> > >fever' symptoms everytime he drinks beer, but not when he eats
bread.
> >
> > E!, I just can't help the image that brings to mind ....
> >
> > <Slurp> .... <sneeze> .... oh, sorry, here let me wipe that up ....
>
> So Charlie can have "KEYBOARDS" even when something's not funny. No
> wonder Elizabeth got into the keyboard sterilizing racket.
>
>
> Take care,
> cb
>
That may be, I'll have to think about it...the timing is right, yup that
must be it!
E!
Murky
Question: do histamine blockers help with the symptoms at all? Only asked
because my wife learned she was allergic to codeine by an attack of
wheezing, erythema, etc. and the first thing that occured to me is
Benadryl - which worked. Her symptoms subsided while we were enroute to the
emergency room (British: casualty department).
--
Murky
--
"The only patriotic liberal in the world is Tony Blair, and he's in
England." - Ann Coulter, "Treason"
Howard Berkowitz
<murk...@spamsucksyahoo.com> wrote:
Murky's right as a first start. Another thing to consider would be mast
cell degranulation inhibitors like cromolyn nasal spray. Won't directly
help erythema, other than if the cascade starts in the nose, it might
abort it.
John David Galt
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