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Just.A...@gmail.com

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Mar 2, 2007, 5:27:44 PM3/2/07
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... http://www.conservapedia.com/Robert_A._Heinlein

... ok, it's VERY short...

GeekGirl

OJ

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Mar 2, 2007, 7:05:06 PM3/2/07
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On Mar 2, 5:27 pm, Just.A.New...@gmail.com wrote:

> ...http://www.conservapedia.com/Robert_A._Heinlein


>
> ... ok, it's VERY short...

But very question provoking. Not about Heinlein, or what it said
about him. But about WTH is conservapedia. ConservaTIVEpedia?
ConservaTIONpedia?

[I suppose I could use the Main Page link and find out. But what fun
is there in that?]

And it's VERY accurate as far as it goes.

OJ

Phil Brown

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Mar 2, 2007, 7:54:10 PM3/2/07
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ConservaTIVE - with all capitals, I'd say.

From their homepage:

"a much-needed alternative to Wikipedia, which is increasingly
anti-Christian and anti-American."

It's obviously in its early stages but if you have a few minutes to
spare, clicking on "random page" repeatedly is a
through-the-looking-glass experience, at least for me...

Filksinger

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Mar 2, 2007, 11:42:46 PM3/2/07
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Conservative Christian bias. Rather severe. Their list of "Bias in
Wikipedia" starts off showing their bias pretty clearly, and just keeps
going.


--
Filksinger
AKA David Nasset, Sr.
Geek Prophet to the Technologically Declined

Dr. Rufo

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Mar 3, 2007, 12:43:31 AM3/3/07
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Your last comment, OJ, is the quintessence of "faint praise" and
delightfully damning.

This is what they've provided at their About Conservapedia link:
http://www.conservapedia.com/Conservapedia:About

"Tired of the LIBERAL BIAS every time you search on Google and a
Wikipedia page appears? Now it's time for the Conservatives to get
our voice out on the internet!

Conservapedia began in November 2006, as the class project for a
World History class of 58 advanced homeschooled and college-bound
students meeting in New Jersey.

Conservapedia has since grown enormously, including contributors
nationwide. Conservapedia already has over one-half the number of
entries as the Oxford Dictionary of World History. Conservapedia is
rapidly becoming one of the largest and most reliable online
educational resources of its kind."

To their credit, they did include Mr. Heinlein's middle initial.

Rufe

OJ

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Mar 3, 2007, 7:42:18 AM3/3/07
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On Mar 2, 7:54 pm, Phil Brown <oce...@globalnet.co.uk> wrote:

> On 2 Mar 2007 16:05:06 -0800, "OJ" <oj3u...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> >On Mar 2, 5:27 pm, Just.A.New...@gmail.com wrote:

> >> ...http://www.conservapedia.com/Robert_A._Heinlein
>
> >> ... ok, it's VERY short...

> >[I suppose I could use the Main Page link and find out. But what fun
> >is there in that?]

> ConservaTIVE - with all capitals, I'd say.


>
> From their homepage:
>
> "a much-needed alternative to Wikipedia, which is increasingly
> anti-Christian and anti-American."
>
> It's obviously in its early stages but if you have a few minutes to
> spare, clicking on "random page" repeatedly is a
> through-the-looking-glass experience, at least for me

Thanks, but no thanks. My cardiologist has stressed, often and at
length, the need for me to avoid blood pressure-raising stressful
situations as much as possible. A voluntary random tour through the
conservapedia by me would probably cause him as much unnecessary
stress as it would certainly cause me. ;->

OJ

OJ

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Mar 3, 2007, 7:51:09 AM3/3/07
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On Mar 3, 12:43 am, "Dr. Rufo" <bay...@mindspring.com> wrote:

> Your last comment, OJ, is the quintessence of "faint praise" and
> delightfully damning.

Thanks. But I was just playing with GeekGirl's original comment which
was equally delightful. I just tried to keep up.

OJ

Dr. Rufo

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Mar 3, 2007, 4:58:44 PM3/3/07
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Filksinger wrote:
< snip >

>>
> Conservative Christian bias. Rather severe. Their list of "Bias in
> Wikipedia" starts off showing their bias pretty clearly, and just keeps
> going.

I came across the following recently and think it apt to this
enterprise:

'Exclusivity' is a vice and leads to unintended consequences, not
the least of which is stagnation of thought and lack of originality.

Rufe

Vance P. Frickey

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Mar 4, 2007, 5:08:03 PM3/4/07
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Agreed.

There are doubtless other reasons to criticize wikipedia,
but I have not detected any sort of institutional religious
or political bias there. Anyone who finds wikipedia
"increasingly anti-Christian and anti-American" is probably
wound just a leetle too tight. :-)

Generally, this specific charge is leveled when the
editorial board of a website or publication fails to hand
over control of their outfit to their friendly local cabal
of chiliastic fanatics.
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that on the morrow the victors sued
for peace and the vanquished called
for unconditional surrender." - Abba Eban, after the Six Day
War in 1967


Tian

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Mar 5, 2007, 3:58:54 AM3/5/07
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All of the entries I hit were short and noncontroversial. I don't
think I tripped over even one I would characterize as a "labor of love".
The kind of thing where you read on and on and it's all good and you
come away from the experience feeling significantly enlightened.
I have seen many of those in wikipedia, but right now I can't think
of one thing I learned from the conservapedia. (or however it's spelled)

--
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I saw OUTSOURCED, a very funny movie about outsourcing
to India at the San Jose Film Festival Sunday evening.
See it if you get a chance. You will enjoy the experience.

Phil Brown

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Mar 5, 2007, 6:51:32 AM3/5/07
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On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 00:58:54 -0800, Tian <tnha...@ispwest.com> wrote:

>OJ wrote:
>> On Mar 2, 7:54 pm, Phil Brown <oce...@globalnet.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>>It's obviously in its early stages but if you have a few minutes to
>>>spare, clicking on "random page" repeatedly is a
>>>through-the-looking-glass experience, at least for me
>>
>>
>> Thanks, but no thanks. My cardiologist has stressed, often and at
>> length, the need for me to avoid blood pressure-raising stressful
>> situations as much as possible. A voluntary random tour through the
>> conservapedia by me would probably cause him as much unnecessary
>> stress as it would certainly cause me. ;->
>>
>All of the entries I hit were short and noncontroversial. I don't
>think I tripped over even one I would characterize as a "labor of love".
>The kind of thing where you read on and on and it's all good and you
>come away from the experience feeling significantly enlightened.
>I have seen many of those in wikipedia, but right now I can't think
>of one thing I learned from the conservapedia. (or however it's spelled)

You've missed some treats then. Quick e.g.: in the article on
"homeschooling" you will learn that "a disproportionate number of
history's high achievers were Christians educated at home..."

... including, in a long and deliciously debatable list (Churchill is
just plain wrong), "Jesus Christ".

http://www.conservapedia.com/Homeschooling


Oh, and in the article on RAH someone can't spell "libertarian".

;)

Just.A...@gmail.com

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Mar 5, 2007, 1:37:22 PM3/5/07
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On Mar 5, 6:51 am, Phil Brown <oce...@globalnet.co.uk> wrote:

> On Mon, 05 Mar 2007 00:58:54 -0800, Tian <tnhar...@ispwest.com> wrote:
> >OJ wrote:
> >> On Mar 2, 7:54 pm, Phil Brown <oce...@globalnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >>>It's obviously in its early stages but if you have a few minutes to
> >>>spare, clicking on "random page" repeatedly is a
> >>>through-the-looking-glass experience, at least for me
>
> >> Thanks, but no thanks. My cardiologist has stressed, often and at
> >> length, the need for me to avoid blood pressure-raising stressful
> >> situations as much as possible. A voluntary random tour through the
> >> conservapedia by me would probably cause him as much unnecessary
> >> stress as it would certainly cause me. ;->
>
> >All of the entries I hit were short and noncontroversial. I don't
> >think I tripped over even one I would characterize as a "labor of love".
> >The kind of thing where you read on and on and it's all good and you
> >come away from the experience feeling significantly enlightened.
> >I have seen many of those in wikipedia, but right now I can't think
> >of one thing I learned from the conservapedia. (or however it's spelled)
>
> You've missed some treats then. Quick e.g.: in the article on
> "homeschooling" you will learn that "a disproportionate number of
> history's high achievers were Christians educated at home..."

Try these:
dinosaur
kangaroo

> ... including, in a long and deliciously debatable list (Churchill is
> just plain wrong), "Jesus Christ".
>
> http://www.conservapedia.com/Homeschooling
>
> Oh, and in the article on RAH someone can't spell "libertarian".
>
> ;)

GeekGirl

Vance P. Frickey

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Mar 5, 2007, 1:57:37 PM3/5/07
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<snip>

> GeekGirl

Why "kangaroo," GG? I see the potential humor with a
conservative wiki on dinosaur ("And God placed all of those
reptile bones in strata that looked millions of years old to
fool and humiliate prideful paleozoologists when everyone
knows the world was created in 4004 BC.... ")


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arms against your government." - Arthur Zimmermann
"I told him that we had five hundred thousand and one lamp
posts in America, and that was where the German reservists
would find themselves if they tried any uprising." - James
Watson Gerard, "My Four Years in Germany"


Phil Brown

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Mar 5, 2007, 6:21:03 PM3/5/07
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On Mon, 5 Mar 2007 11:57:37 -0700, "Vance P. Frickey"
<vfri...@ricochet.com> wrote:
(snip)

>
>Why "kangaroo," GG? I see the potential humor with a
>conservative wiki on dinosaur ("And God placed all of those
>reptile bones in strata that looked millions of years old to
>fool and humiliate prideful paleozoologists when everyone
>knows the world was created in 4004 BC.... ")

The sting in the kangaroo's tail is that according to creation science
the kangaroo originated "like all modern animals, in the Middle East",
was taken onto the Ark and migrated to Australia after the Flood,
possibly when Pangea broke up (etc...)

MajorOz

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Mar 5, 2007, 8:12:36 PM3/5/07
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On Mar 2, 10:42 pm, Filksinger <use...@filksinger.mailshell.com>
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Wackopedia ?

cheers

oz, who just couldn't resist


Just.A...@gmail.com

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Mar 6, 2007, 12:17:12 AM3/6/07
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On Mar 5, 1:57 pm, "Vance P. Frickey" <vfric...@ricochet.com> wrote:

Oh... what struck me as amusing was this image I came up with of the
'roos "rafted on mats of vegetation" floating to Australia ... with
music by the Beach Boys. Sort of surfer 'roo dudes ...

Perhaps that margarita was a bit too strong and a bit late at
night ...<g>

GeekGirl

Dave Adalian

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Mar 6, 2007, 5:02:25 PM3/6/07
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"Vance P. Frickey" <vfri...@ricochet.com> wrote in message
news:G46dnZZTofeC9XHY...@forethought.net...

Why is the Conservapedia's entry on kangaroos entertaining? Did you read
it? Try this about the origin of the species:
"According to the origins model used by creation scientists, modern
kangaroos, like all modern animals, originated in the Middle East[1] and are
the descendants of the two founding members of the modern kangaroo baramin
that were taken aboard Noah's Ark prior to the Great Flood. It has not yet
been determined by baraminologists whether kangaroos form a holobaramin with
the wallaby, tree-kangaroo, wallaroo, pademelon and quokka, or if all these
species are in fact apobaraminic or polybaraminic.

"Also according to creation science, after the Flood, kangaroos bred from
the Ark passengers migrated to Australia. There is debate whether this
migration happened over land[2] -- as Australia was still for a time
connected to the Middle East before the supercontinent of Pangea broke
apart[3] -- or if they rafted on mats of vegetation torn up by the receding
flood waters[2]."

To misquote Monty Python: "Are you suggesting kangaroos migrate?"

All that pseudoscientific blather is great! Baramins, holobaramin,
polybaraminic, apobaraminic and baraminologists! Woot!


-- Dave


Read my latest astronomy column!
http://starry-starry-nights.blogspot.com/


Phil Brown

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Mar 6, 2007, 6:20:43 PM3/6/07
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On 5 Mar 2007 17:12:36 -0800, "MajorOz" <Maj...@centurytel.net>
wrote:

>
>
>Wackopedia ?
>
>cheers
>
>oz, who just couldn't resist
>

KEYBOARD!

Chris Zakes

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Mar 7, 2007, 7:25:59 AM3/7/07
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Riiiight... I'm tempted to write up an entry for phlogiston theory and
post it as a "refutation" of secular humanist chemistry.

http://web.lemoyne.edu/~giunta/phlogiston.html

-Chris Zakes
Texas

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"Are you sure?"
"There's still some around, aren't there?"

-Terry Pratchett, "The Truth"

Vance P. Frickey

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Mar 7, 2007, 10:49:57 PM3/7/07
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Apparently there is no entry for "Occam's Razor" in
conservapedia.


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Vance P. Frickey

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Mar 7, 2007, 10:51:52 PM3/7/07
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Thanks for getting back with the story. Whew. I can only
wonder what the author of the creation science/kangaroo
article was drinking. :-)


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