Prospective publication date
David M. Silver
2010, the following:
_Robert A. Heinlein: Volume 1 (1907-1949): Learning Curve_
by William H. Patterson (Author)
Hardcover: 608 pages
Publisher: Tor Books (April 13, 2010)
Language: English
ISBN-10: 0765319608
ISBN-13: 978-0765319609
The list price is $29.99 which Amazon.com is discounting for
pre-publication orders to $19.79.
Here's hoping TOR makes the projected date of release.
--
David M. Silver
http://www.heinleinsociety.org
"The Lieutenant expects your names to shine!"
Robert Anson Heinlein, USNA '29
Lt.(jg), USN, R'td
GeekGirl
> Amazon.com lists as a prospective publishing release date of April 13,
> 2010, the following:
>
> _Robert A. Heinlein: Volume 1 (1907-1949): Learning Curve_
> by William H. Patterson (Author)
>
> Hardcover: 608 pages
> Publisher: Tor Books (April 13, 2010)
> Language: English
> ISBN-10: 0765319608
> ISBN-13: 978-0765319609
>
> The list price is $29.99 which Amazon.com is discounting for
> pre-publication orders to $19.79.
>
> Here's hoping TOR makes the projected date of release.
If late, ideally to make it a better book.
Vol 1, eh? 608 pages? Impressive.
GeekGirl
Bill Patterson
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I don't know how they can tell the page count, since they haven't
produced the first set of galleys yet. I think that's a guesstimate.
GeekGirl
It's called a "cast off". Based on the manuscript submitted, proposed
lay out of the book, an educated "guess" of final page count can be
made. As is said in other places "Close enough for government work".
GeekGirl
GeekGirl
tanadashoes
"David M. Silver" <ag.pl...@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> Amazon.com lists as a prospective publishing release date of April 13,
> 2010, the following:
>
> _Robert A. Heinlein: Volume 1 (1907-1949): Learning Curve_
> by William H. Patterson (Author)
>
> Hardcover: 608 pages
> Publisher: Tor Books (April 13, 2010)
> Language: English
> ISBN-10: 0765319608
> ISBN-13: 978-0765319609
>
> The list price is $29.99 which Amazon.com is discounting for
> pre-publication orders to $19.79.
>
> Here's hoping TOR makes the projected date of release.
>
> --
> David M. Silver
> http://www.heinleinsociety.org
I just finished reading "For Us, The Living" and was wondering if William
had published his biography of Heinlein. I'd really love to know what was
with wife #2 (Lesley, I think) and what happened with her after they
divorced. I'd also like to know more about his relationship with her and
later with wife #3, Ginny. She had to have been utterly fascinating.
Pam S.
David M. Silver
"tanadashoes" <tan...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> I just finished reading "For Us, The Living" and was wondering if William
> had published his biography of Heinlein. I'd really love to know what was
> with wife #2 (Lesley, I think) and what happened with her after they
> divorced. I'd also like to know more about his relationship with her and
> later with wife #3, Ginny. She had to have been utterly fascinating.
>
> Pam S.
For the nonce, there's a pretty good 20-page study of Robert's second
wife, in Issue No. 9, The Heinlein Journal (July 2001), pp. 17-36,
entitled "Regarding Leslyn" a biographical sketch of Leslyn MacDonald
Heinlein Mocabee, by Robert James.
See, http://www.heinleinjournal.com/ or w...@heinleinjournal.com
--
David M. Silver
http://www.heinleinsociety.org
Bill Patterson
> "David M. Silver" <ag.plus...@verizon.net> wrote in messagenews:ag.plusone-9613D...@news.individual.net...
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Those are some very broad questions. If you could start with
something specific, I could have a better handle on what I could
usefully say.
tanadashoes
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On Oct 23, 2:00?pm, "tanadashoes" <tan...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
> I just finished reading "For Us, The Living" and was wondering if William
> with wife #2 (Lesley, I think) and what happened with her after they
> later with wife #3, Ginny. ?She had to have been utterly fascinating.
>
> Pam S.
>
Those are some very broad questions. If you could start with
something specific, I could have a better handle on what I could
usefully say.
************
What was Lesley really like? Was she as pushy as some of Heinlein's women
were? I get the impression that the relationship between RAH and Lesley was
rather cold. Am I right? How much and what kind of influence did Lesley
have on RAH's writing? What did Lesley do with herself after the divorce
with RAH? Did she go back to work, and if so at what? I see by another
post that she did re-marry. How did that marriage work out? Did she and
Ginny have any contact with each other? I noticed that RAH's treatment of
women changed drastically in the late 50's. Is that when he married Ginny?
I know she helped RAH a great deal in his work (I'm currently reading the
unabridged version of Stranger In A Strange Land and was fascinated by the
forward she wrote for it) and wonder if Lesley also helped with his writing
and, if not, this was one of the factors in their failed relationship. I
also noticed more joy and less irony in his work in the 60's and figure that
Ginny was a part of this. What was she like? What did she do in the navy?
Ok, I'm full of questions and very nosey.
Pam S
Bill Patterson
> "Bill Patterson" <whpatter...@gmail.com> wrote in message
To some extent you've asked for a summary of the biography on the two
women, which is a little more than I can do in a newsgroup.
Heinlein's three marriages:
6/21/29 to Elinor Leah Curry, in Platte City, Missouri. lasted until
10/15/30, and probably only lasted that long because he was at sea
most of the time. It was apparently and impulse-marriage, and
Heinlein did not even tell his family at the time; they were not
personally very compatible, and Elinor resisted taking Heinlein's name
or moving to California where he was home-ported. The divorce returns
her maiden name to her. All records of her stop in 1934, so it is
possible she remarried then, but nothing is known except that
Heinlein's sister and sister-in-law met her and had a cordial chat at
a play in Kansas City in 1939.
3/28/32 to Leslyn MacDonald, in Ensenada, California. At that time
she was head of the Music Department at Columbia pictures, resigning
to marry. Highly intelligent, highly educated, she had her BA from
UCLA and Masters in Philosophy at USC. She had teaching credentials
for academic subjects, but also taught fancy needlework and
crocheting. Heinlein said many of his early stories were essentially
collaborations with Leslyn as "silent partner." because she had good
-- really excellent -- story sense but no interest in writing.
Indeed, it is said that she was an informal "story doctor" when she
worked at Columbia, though there is no documentation at all on this
point. Before Heinlein took up writing, they were involved in the
EPIC radical-liberal socialist political movement fronted initially by
Upton Sinclair. EPIC took over the Democratic Party in California and
made it as powerful as the Republican Party for the first time. After
Sinclair left, EPIC continued to manage the Democratic Party, and
gradually the Dems took control back from EPIC. The Heinleins worked
their way up the Democratic party apparatus until Heinlein decided to
get out of politicsand into writing, with Leslyn essentially Robert's
"chief of Staff." Although she worked at her own political projects,
Leslyn apparently had no desire to be the front man. Gradually John
Campbell replaced Leslyn as story doctor, starting from about 1940.
From about 1936, an undefined personality instability -- a vague
sense of "something wrong" -- began to be visible even to a few other
people, though it was well-controlled until about the middle of World
War II, when she was overworking herself and almost her entire
remaining family died or were killed. She turned to alcoholism which
increased in severity until Heinlein asked her to get a divorce in
June 1947. After the divorce, she worked for a while at the newly
established Pt. Mugu missile range and had a very messy and very
unhappy life. After a short bigamous marriage. She married Jules
Mocabee. She suffered a series of strokes in about 1950 and during
the long two or three years she was essentially housebound recovering,
she wrote wave after wave of "poison pen" letters to everyone Heinlein
worked with professionally. This reached a climax in 1953, about
which time she seems to have made a significant improvement in her
heath, and the poison pen letters stopped. As this was the only
contact Heinlein had with her, she thereafter falls out of his life.
She died in 1981, still named Mocabee.
10/21/48 to Virginia Doris Gerstenfeld. They had met and become
friends when Ginny was assigned to the Naval Air Materials Center,
Naval Air Experimental Station in 1944. After the War, Ginny decided
to pursue an advanced degree and Robert recommended UCLA; she
relocated from New York to Los Angeles in 1946. She helped Robert
with his housing arrangements after the divorce was started, deciding
ultimately that she wanted to be with him. Spending some time
together and some time apart during part the year it took the divorce
to be finalized, they finally met in Colorado Springs as the year was
up and as soon as the decree nisi was issued, married in Raton, New
Mexico (across the Colorado State line), They lived together
continuously and almost in each others' laps for the next forty
years.
Their mutual compatibility was a surprise to almost everyone
else,but Heinlein saw her as a liberal in sentiment if a conservative
in politics (a correct apprehension, as her letters to him reveal),
At first Ginny functioned as a source of story ideas but gradually
moved into "first reader" status. RAH says Ginny put the final polish
on him as a writer; Ginny says Robert taught her what kid of input a
writer needed. After 1969 she gradually assumed complete management
of the business aspect of the writing, leaving RAH free to write (and
pursue the other things that interested him or them both).
This potted summary does't have the conclusions drawn in the book, but
it does, I think, give you glimpses of the characters of the
individuals involved. Feel free to ask other questions as well.
tanadashoes
On Oct 24, 6:14?pm, "tanadashoes" <tan...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> "Bill Patterson" <whpatter...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:abf08a07-6a07-4c21...@a39g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 23, 2:00?pm, "tanadashoes" <tan...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I just finished reading "For Us, The Living" and was wondering if
> > William
> > had published his biography of Heinlein. ?I'd really love to know what
> > was
> > with wife #2 (Lesley, I think) and what happened with her after they
> > divorced. ?I'd also like to know more about his relationship with her
> > and
> > later with wife #3, Ginny. ?She had to have been utterly fascinating.
>
> > Pam S.
>
> something specific, I could have a better handle on what I could
> usefully say.
>
> ************
>
> were? ?I get the impression that the relationship between RAH and Lesley
> was
> rather cold. ?Am I right? ?How much and what kind of influence did Lesley
> have on RAH's writing? ?What did Lesley do with herself after the divorce
> with RAH? ?Did she go back to work, and if so at what? ? I see by another
> post that she did re-marry. ?How did that marriage work out? ?Did she and
> Ginny have any contact with each other? ?I noticed that RAH's treatment of
> women changed drastically in the late 50's. ?Is that when he married
> I know she helped RAH a great deal in his work (I'm currently reading the
> unabridged version of Stranger In A Strange Land and was fascinated by the
> forward she wrote for it) and wonder if Lesley also helped with his
> writing
> also noticed more joy and less irony in his work in the 60's and figure
> that
***********************
Thank you. I suspect that RAH was not the easiest person to live with,
although he would never have been boring. I eagerly await your biography
and hope that it will answer my future questions even before they form in my
fevered brain. BTW, the unabridged version of SIASL is much better than the
edited version and explains more (I'm where Duke has flown the coop and
almost to where the cops show up) of what is going on behind the scenes.
Pam S.
jeanette
Jeanette
Bill Patterson
Thank you. �I suspect that RAH was not the easiest person to live
with,
> although he would never have been boring. �I eagerly await your biography
> and hope that it will answer my future questions even before they form in my
> fevered brain. �BTW, the unabridged version of SIASL is much better than the
> edited version and explains more (I'm where Duke has flown the coop and
> almost to where the cops show up) of what is going on behind the scenes.
>
Bill Patterson
> Thank you for the quick sketches of the three Mrs. H.
>
> Jeanette
De Nada. There are longer biographical sketches of Leslyn and Ginny
in the Heinlein Journal, if you're interested in more detail. Robert
James has done a very good job of tracking down as much as could be
discovered about Leslyn, and more information keeps popping up as more
sources go online. I suspect there will be a second update on Dr.
James' "Regarding Leslyn" in the near future.
GeekGirl
Thanks!
Looking forward to the book.
GeekGirl