Jack Lord's changing hairpieces
Mr. Mike
On 16 Nov 1997 15:25:21 GMT, judit...@aol.com (Judith1734) wrote:
>(And please, it's fairly well-known that Jack DID wear toupees in his acting
> jobs.
In your humble opinion, of course.
>Other well-known hairpiece-wearers openly acknoweldge this fact.
Despite the fact that you keep nattering on about this, you have never yet
named one of them, as far as I can recall.
What is your interest in this, anyway? Do you have a wig business?
Gerry Zaninovich
Judith1734 wrote:
>
> Does anyone see any difference in Jack Lord's hairpieces from the show's
> beginning to it's final episodes? As Jack aged, did anyone notice his
> hairpieces "thinning" somewhat to reflect this natural aging process?
> (And please, it's fairly well-known that Jack DID wear toupees in his acting
> Jack Lord his wife and friends feel they must deny this fact, I'll never know.
> Perhaps Jack's insecurity is the key?)
Or perhaps because he din't have one?
Gerry
Heather Henderson
Oh God no, it's the Hairpiece Person again. "Danno, we've got
to STOP this lunatic..." (pace pace around the big desk, snapping
fingers) "..but how? HOW??"
Heather
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Bookmark 'em, Danno!
Mr. Mike
On 17 Nov 1997 00:34:36 GMT, judit...@aol.com (Judith1734) trolled:
>Judith wrote:
>>Other well-known hairpiece-wearers openly acknoweldge this fact.
>
>Mr. Mike wrote:
>"Despite the fact that you keep nattering on about this, you have never yet
>named one of them, as far as I can recall."
>
> Jack Klugman, Charles Groden, Burt Reynolds, Bing Crosby, Frank Sinatra,
> Charlton Heston, Marv Albert, Steve Martin, William Shatner, Elton John, Carl
> Perkins, Gene Kelly, James Stewart . . . the list goes on.
Sorry, dearie, your original post said:
> (And please, it's fairly well-known that Jack DID wear toupees in his acting
> jobs. Other well-known hairpiece-wearers openly acknoweldge this fact...
The way this is worded suggests that "other well-known hairpiece-wearers
openly acknowledge this fact...", "this fact" being that Jack Lord wore a
hairpiece.
Evidence, please.
Judith1734
MomH50
Am having a bad pms day so if anyone takes offense, I apologize in advance.
But this subject is getting a little old. Personally, I don't think Jack Lord
wears a hair piece but what difference does it make. Does wearing one or not
wearing one make you a better actor or person? Did the fact that he did or
didn't wear one make Five-O the success it was? If he wore one, so what? If
he didn't, who cares. The hair-do is just part of Jack Lord and I like him
just the way he is.
Debbie
JWest52103
In the grand scheme of things, what does it matter?
Judith1734
Jeff Herman wrote:
". . . and by the way, that's a wig about as much as
Harvey Fierstein is straight....."
I guess you didn't hear about that "Inside Edition" last Friday on which,
smarty pants, Harvey Fierstein announced he's going straight after finally
meeting "the WOMAN of his dreams"?
(Just kidding!)
But that really IS a hairpiece on Jack "Lord" Ryan's cabeza! :-)
mike granieri
Those of you who support th hairpiece theory should watch the fight
scene in "Man of the West". Gary Cooper grabs the front of Jack's hair
twice and yanks his head back. No 1958 hairpiece is going to stand up to
that. The scene also shows Jack's hair going every which way and it
winds up sweaty and dissheveled. It ain't a hair piece. it's a full,
healthy head of hair.
But as an earlier post said, "What does it matter?".
Mike G.
Zipquik
>Those of you who support th hairpiece theory should watch the fight
>scene in "Man of the West". Gary Cooper grabs the front of Jack's hair
>twice and yanks his head back. No 1958 hairpiece is going to stand up to
>that. The scene also shows Jack's hair going every which way and it
>winds up sweaty and dissheveled. It ain't a hair piece. it's a full,
>healthy head of hair.
>
>But as an earlier post said, "What does it matter?".
You're right. It really doesn't matter, so let's try something new.
Is that his real nose ?
Carol S
mike granieri
Well I was thinking more along the lines of whether he wore several
small hairpieces on his knuckles. Did you see them last night when he
plotted the ship's course? Nobody's knuckles could be naturally that
hairy, could they? :)
Mike G.
Fogarty
--
jimfo...@access.net.au
Zipquik wrote in message <19971118230...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
>
>>Those of you who support th hairpiece theory should watch the fight
>>scene in "Man of the West". Gary Cooper grabs the front of Jack's hair
>>twice and yanks his head back. No 1958 hairpiece is going to stand up to
>>that. The scene also shows Jack's hair going every which way and it
>>winds up sweaty and dissheveled. It ain't a hair piece. it's a full,
>>healthy head of hair.
>>
>>But as an earlier post said, "What does it matter?".
>
>You're right. It really doesn't matter, so let's try something new.
>Is that his real nose ?
>
>Carol S
And I bet he uses a body double for all those "butt shots"!
Teresa
Lisa McKenzie
Judith1734 <judit...@aol.com> wrote:
<same old same old snipped>
> "But as an earlier post said, "What does it matter?"."
>
> True enough. But the man's vanity amazes.
As does the bludgeoning insistence of an "expose the hairpiece!" crusador.
Ho-hum.
Lisa Mc
______
"You're in a lot of trouble, honey."
--McGarrett, "A Gun for McGarrett"
Judith1734
"Those of you who support th hairpiece theory should watch the fight
scene in "Man of the West". Gary Cooper grabs the front of Jack's hair
twice and yanks his head back. "
As another hairpiece wearer himself (I'm fairly sure I read this somewhere,
but don't claim to be saying this from personal certainty) Gary Cooper was
probably very . . . *considerate*, shall I say, to DEFINITE hairpiece wearer
Jack Lord in that scene.
"No 1958 hairpiece is going to stand up to
that. The scene also shows Jack's hair going every which way and it
winds up sweaty and dissheveled. "
I totally agree that, to the untrained eye and ESPECIALLY when viewed on a
pixel-based television screen (i.e. fairly low-resolution) Jack's hair looked
like ONE HUNDRED PERCENT REAL, GROWING HAIR.
I assure you, it was NOT! (Although the hair itself was undoubtedly real,
that is, not synthetic; the best theatrical hairpieces always are.)
Look at Burt Reynold's hairpiece as he rafts down the whitewater in the 1970s
film "Deliverance." Unlike the situation with Jack Lord, in which the actor's
use of hairpieces pretty much a closely guarded secret (even in his
retirement), EVERYONE knows Burt wears a hairpiece -- he even appeared bald in
public last year. In "Delieverance" Reynolds' hairpiece took an even WORSE
beating than did Jack's in "Man of the West."
One other thing: don't forget, literally every few moments the Director yells
"Cut!" and the hair people on the set come rushing to touch up/comb the
actors' hairpieces.
IMFCinnamn
hea...@see.sig.for.email.net (Heather Henderson) wrote:
>Oh God no, it's the Hairpiece Person again. "Danno, we've got
>to STOP this lunatic..." (pace pace around the big desk, snapping
>fingers) "..but how? HOW??"
"Chin, get me the names of every salon owner on the island of Oahu who sold a
brown men's hairpiece in the last thirty years. . . and check the big
island, too."
"Right, Steve."
"Ben, I want the names of everyone, EVERYONE, who posted a newsgroup message on
the topic of my hair."
"Consider it done."
(The culprit walks in. Steve turns and faces her.) "Book her, Danno.
Suspicion of spreading hairy stories. Wasting police time. For openers."
Beth A. Fox
"Will the impossible . . . Accept the inevitable."
SS10301
>Well I was thinking more along the lines of whether he wore several
>small hairpieces on his knuckles. Did you see them last night when he
>plotted the ship's course? Nobody's knuckles could be naturally that
>hairy, could they? :)
>
>Mike G.
Oh, I don't know...makes his hands look kinda sexy. Wonder now about his
shoulders and chest... : )
Incidentally, how the dickens can you have a hefty fight scene such as that in
"Man of the West" and not skew a wig? I don't care how many times the
director yells "Cut! Makeup!" a wig will tell on itself every time. JL has a
full head of his own hair!
ko...@hawaiifive0.org
Judith1734
KDARJ, admittedly rather eloquently, wrote:
"On what grounds can you assure this is fact? you must have a trained eye?"
Exactly!
"Your
most incisive and apparent perspicacious understanding of the situation
infers that you are a savant of hairpieces (profession, perhaps?)"
Yup!
"or that you
are involved in the movie and film industry, hence, the
truculent statement."
Ditto.
"I do not have any desire to deride you, however, i will
posit that you kindly elaborate as to your proficiency in such matters."
I have worked in the hair replacement indistry for years now.
I am the FIRST to admit: a GOOD hairpiece is, to the untrained eye,
virtually impssible to detect -- EVEN IN PERSON AND UP CLOSE.
When people such as the late Howard Cosell, to name the most notorious
example, are widely seen wearing hideous dead rodents on their heads those
with the resources to obtain only the BEST in hair replacements actually are
pleased, because most folks "outside the industry" figure ALL hairpieces must
be so utterly laughable and/or detectable.
Mr. Lord was LONG been known to wear perhaps the finest of the finest of
natural-hair hairpieces in the entertainment business. During his active
acting career he was able to "get away" with this, so to speak, in part
because he was always loathe to give interviews.
Take Burt Reynolds again, for instance -- as long ago as the early 1970s he
was openly talking/joking about his hair on tv and in print interviews.
Even for the few interviews he actually did deign to do during his carreer
one assumes his people made it clear that certain topics were off-limits (e.g.
his actual age, his hair.)
"I have expounded on this point before, but for the sake of argument will
re-iterate my statements. Jack was of Irish origin and it is a widely
accepted fact that they tend to have a genetic predisposition toward full and
healthy hair."
Does the thoroughly Irish -- and bald, hairpiece wearer -- Bing Crosby ring
a bell?
Or Gene Kelly (Irish/bald/hairpiece wearer)?
Hairpiece wearer James Stewart? (part/full Irish?)
Michael Keaton?
Christopher Reeve?
About three thousand other balding Irish guys I grew up with?
"I have met several Irish people personally and many have
crowning glorys that would make the greatest bouffant pale into insignificance
(many are in the late 50's!)"
Italian crooner Dean Martin died with a thick head of hair. Irish crooner
Bing Crosby died bald as a billiard ball. Which proves nothing, frankly. Just
anectdotal trivia.
Wmkoenig
I'm not particularly wanting to get into this debate, but the entertainmetn
industry has been able to secure hairpieces that can take abuse. Examples:
1. You Only Live Twice (1967), Sean Connery, posing as a fisherman, dives
overboard from a boat and we see him swimming underwater. His hairpiece remains
stuck to his head.
2. Diamonds Are Forever (1971), Sean Connery is tossed into a pool by a
couple of women assassins. His hairpiece remains secured to his head.
I haven't seen Man of the West (as the people arguing Jack Lord must have
had a full head of hair) nor do I work in Hollywood or in hair replacement
business. I'm not taking sides, just clarifying a point.
Bill K.
Allen Shock
Speaking of hair, when I was a little girl, I used to confuse Jack Lord
with Mike Connors. I think it was because of the hair. As to whether Jack
Lord does or doesn't wear a hairpiece, I DON'T CARE!!! And while we're on
the subject, I refuse to believe that James MacArthur's eyes are the result
of tinted lenses! And I'm sure his hair is real as well. There, I've said
my piece.
Susan S.
Inglewolf
How ironic we got all this hairpiece talk again at exactly the time FAM shows
"6,000 Deadly Tickets"......which may be the only Five-0 episode that features
a hair from a rug as a major clue in the case.
Inglewolf
Blurb
In article <19971117070...@ladder02.news.aol.com>, mtb...@aol.com (MT
Boy 11) writes:
>..and by the way, that's a wig about as much as
> Harvey Fierstein is straight....
Jeff, you have a way with words. <grin>
And to the poster of the original message in this thread, two things:
People who knew Jack and worked with him day to day, such as Kam Fong and Zulu
and newspaper columnist/Five-O bit actor Dave Donnelly all said his crowning
glory is real and all his. I think they know a helluva lot more than you do
whether it is real or not.
Gods, I am mortally tired of hair fetishists.
Karen Rhodes
Be here! Aloha!
Blurb
In article <19971118044...@ladder02.news.aol.com>, judit...@aol.com
(Judith1734) writes:
> But that really IS a hairpiece on Jack "Lord" Ryan's cabeza! :-)
Not according to people who, unlike you, knew him and worked with him every
day.
Blurb
In article <19971119215...@ladder02.news.aol.com>, kda...@aol.com
(KDARJI) writes:
>Apologies for any offence and if the article seems rather phlogistic!
>
>okay Karen?
Good for you! Use a word six times, and it's yours for life. (But who'd WANT
that one . . .!)
Blurb
In article <19971118230...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, zip...@aol.com
(Zipquik) writes:
>You're right. It really doesn't matter, so let's try something new.
>Is that his real nose ?
Yep. But I understand he took his eyes out every night and put them on the
nightstand.
Nyuk! Nyuk!
Blurb
In article <64tf4a$p...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>, mike granieri
<mgra...@worldnet.att.net> writes:
>Well I was thinking more along the lines of whether he wore several
>small hairpieces on his knuckles. Did you see them last night when he
>plotted the ship's course? Nobody's knuckles could be naturally that
>hairy, could they? :)
Sure. I think it's a valid argument in favor of evolution! <grin>
You don't go to the beach much, do you, Mike? I've seen men there who look
like walking ads for the carpet companies! Heeheehee.
Blurb
In article <19971117002...@ladder02.news.aol.com>, judit...@aol.com
(Judith1734) writes:
>"Or perhaps because he din't have one?"
>
> The above is a classic example of what's meant by the expression "being in
> denial."
Oh, so now you're a professional psychologist? Nah . . .I think you're nothing
more than a pest who's trying to stir the pot. I think it's YOUR vanity which
amazes . . .
Blurb
In article <64tcho$l7p$1...@news.access.net.au>, "Fogarty"
<JimFo...@access.net.au> writes:
>And I bet he uses a body double for all those "butt shots"!
Some of them, at least; probably the majority. And that substitute butt
usually belonged to a fellow named John Boley Nordlum (who is the murder victim
at the opening of "The Two-Faced Corpse.")
jimfo...@access.net.au
In article <652alg$nl3$1...@gte2.gte.net>,
OK! So what CAN we bicker about today?
Teresa
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jimfo...@access.net.au
In article <19971121001...@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
> Karen Rhodes
> Be here! Aloha!
Come now ladies and gentlemen! Don't you think this discussion is getting
just a LITTLE bit too personal?
Judith1734
"Speaking of hair, when I was a little girl, I used to confuse Jack Lord
with Mike Connors. "
For a second I thought you were going to say Chuck Connors, who DOES (so I've
been told) wear a hairpiece.
Judith1734
Karen Rhodes
You go on believing the statements of people who just *may* have very good
"political" reasons to deny the well-known fact that Jack Lord ALWAYS wore a
hairpiece in his acting work.
Can you say "gullible"?
Judith1734
Mind giving us your credentials for making such a statement? Why should we
believe you when Kam Fong, Zulu, and others who know him said it was real?
I'm not impressed by your statements so far, not one bit.
Karen Rhodes
I think they call your syndrome "being in denial."
Judith1734
Oh, so now you're a professional psychologist? Nah . . .I think you're nothing
more than a pest who's trying to stir the pot. I think it's YOUR vanity which
amazes . . .
Karen Rhodes
Karen Rhodes, adulator.
Stephen Spence
Judith1734 wrote:
I doubt if Chuck Connors still wears his hairpeace...he passed away in 1992.
Steve
Mr. Mike
On 22 Nov 1997 17:36:47 GMT, judit...@aol.com (Judith1734) wrote:
> Karen Rhodes, adulator.
Judith (too chicken to post her full name), troll.
mike granieri
MT Boy 11 wrote:
>
> >For a second I thought you were going to say Chuck Connors, who DOES (so I've
> >been told) wear a hairpiece.
>
>
> Jeff
Well, technically, Jeff, his hair was dead long before he was and so was
the hairpiece. :)
Mike g.
NHunter539
Loathe as I am to ever contribute to a subject like this I just have to say ,
this person is just trying to annoy us. If we all ignore her, maybe she'll go
away. She wants us to keep coming back for more. It doesn't matter how many
times people say that there is no hairpiece - it doesn't matter to her! That's
not the point of her posting these goofy messages. It's like someone making an
obscene phone call - they want the other person to stay on the line and say
"stop saying those terrible things" that's how they get off. If you hang up,
chances are they won't call back.
Nancy
MT Boy 11
MT Boy 11
>On 22 Nov 1997 17:36:47 GMT, judit...@aol.com (Judith1734) wrote:
>
>> Karen Rhodes, adulator.
>
>Judith (too chicken to post her full name), troll.
Hey, where's Don King when you need him?
Jeff
Judith1734
"I doubt if Chuck Connors still wears his hairpeace...he passed away in 1992.
Steve"
Presumably he was buried wearing it.
Judith1734
"Loathe as I am to ever contribute to a subject like this I just have to say ,
this person is just trying to annoy us. "
I just find it amusing that so many (not all, I know) people who have the
time to discuss the pro's and con's of Jack "Lord" Ryan's taste in clothes are
so clueless when it comes to the fact that the actor's most outstanding
attribute, appearance-wise, is FAKE.
This is no way meant to impugn Jack's acting ability -- I'm the first to
concede, he had PRESENCE on-screen.
At the same time, many of those "in the know" (i.e. in the entertainment
business) realize that a HUGE element contributing to the actor's "presence"
was, in fact, the thoroughly over-the-top (pun intended) hairpieces he always
wore while working.
Jack Lord was one of the first hairpiece wearers to essentially say, "If I'm
gonna wear one, I'm going ALL THE WAY with it!"
Before that time, most actors who wore hair replacements tended to the
modest, understated side.
In fact, I suspect people findit hard to believe Jack always wore a hairpiece
onscreen BECAUSE the one he wore was so outrageously immodest.
Judith1734
I was curious to find that my most recent message in the above-named subject
line did not show when I accessed the newsgroup today.
In fact, the entire THREAD was missing.
Hopefully it'll come through tomorrow.
I sure hope no one is "censoring" (e.g. deleting) my messages because they
can't accept the reality that Jack Lord wore a hairpiece throughout his acting
career. For, as we all know, those that would resort to such behavior
invariably find it extremely distasteful when others see fit to delete *their*
messages -- not a difficult feat at all, in fact.
Zipquik
>At the same time, many of those "in the know" (i.e. in the entertainment
>business) realize that a HUGE element contributing to the actor's "presence"
>was, in fact, the thoroughly over-the-top (pun intended) hairpieces he always
>wore while working.
This is only peripherally related to this very tired and boring
thread, but I found it very amusing that in my junk e-mail today
was a company advertising treatments and products for curing
"horrible hair". I wonder if they've been reading this news group ?
Carol S
Judith1734
Zipquick wrote:
"This is only peripherally related to this very tired and boring
Look, if you feel this thread is "tired and boring," by all means don't feel
guilty if you don't add to it. :-)
Judith1734
Musta been a problem with the AOL newsgroup feed. While I didn't see the
original missing post from yesterday, it was partially quoted in a further
reply to it today.
As Jack Lord says, "Hair today, gone tomorrow"!
Zipquik
>Look, if you feel this thread is "tired and boring," by all means don't feel
>guilty if you don't add to it. :-)
Are we being just a bit touchy ?
spencerdo...@usa.net
In article <19971125025...@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
Be very very careful. They may be following you. And
check your phone is probably tapped. be careful what
you say at home they have wired your house...
Judith1734
>Look, if you feel this thread is "tired and boring," by all means don't feel
>guilty if you don't add to it. :-)
Are we being just a bit touchy ?
Well, I DID add that ":-)" !
Let me take this unlikely opportunity to wish Mr. And Mrs. Jack Lord, all the
show's American cast members and all Americans in the ng a Happy Thanksgiving.
(To those overseas I wish you a Happy Thursday!)
Judith1734
Spencerdogg scrawled:
"Be very very careful. They may be following you. And
check your phone is probably tapped. be careful what
you say at home they have wired your house..."
I agree with Porchnoy. You're an "idiot." :-0