* Everything you read in the Harry Potter novels is fiction;
* Everything you read in the Harry Potter novels is the intellectual
property of Jo Rowling;
* I cannot conceive of American Muggle political leaders going to Hogwarts;
* The Sorting Hat does its work on the heads of eleven-year-old kids,
not men in their late thirties to early seventies.
Consequently, if you find yourself getting irate over this, please seek
competent psychiatric assistance.
Like most people who've read the books have seen, simply being in a
given house means very little; the reason one is in that house means
much. Both George Washington and Andrew Johnson, for instance, are
Hufflepuffs. George Washington is a Hufflepuff because of his
self-discipline, humility, and willingness to do much for the sake of a
greater good. He's a "positive Hufflepuff." Andrew Johnson, and every
successor I sorted into that house, are "negative Hufflepuffs," in there
because the traits that make for sorting into other houses are even more
lacking than the characteristics of Hufflepuff.
Most people who do this sort of thing simply put the presidents they
like into the Good House (usually Gryffindor) and the presidents they
don't like into the Bad House (Slytherin). I tried to rise above that.
Ultimately, sorting the presidents is not a cut-and-dried affair for
most, and qualities of all four houses are necessary to even become
president:
* Gryffindor: As the Bob Dole campaign made abundantly clear, a
successful run for president requires personal charisma, and while many
who actually did hold the office were lacking in the personality
department, when this was the case it was the result of something that
happened during the term of a predecessor.
* Hufflepuff: If you are not a workaholic, do not even dream of becoming
president of our republic, for the job is not suited toward any other
kind of person.
* Ravenclaw: Rocket scientists do not make good presidents, and while
many presidents have styled themselves as the smartest people ever to
set foot in Washington D.C., it has long been known that only a leader
who is trying to micromanage needs significantly more than the average
dose of brains. A casual glance at the history of our republic is enough
to observe that the most pervasive failures of our presidents have been
mostly failures of courage and commitment to American values, and not
failures of brainpower. It is sufficient for a president that he grasp
the principles of the issue at hand.
* Slytherin: Except for Washington—who was practically drafted into the
role—every president has had to face a winner-take-all contest for the
job, and therefore a dose of self-interest has been at work in all the
presidents to succeed him.
On to the sorting!
George Washington
The Sorting Hat says: "Hufflepuff!"
The father of our country was perhaps the most modest person ever to
hold the rank of general. His overwhelming lack of political ambition
precludes him from placement in Slytherin. History credits him with no
greater an intellect than is necessitated by the roles of general and
gentleman farmer. While he was a man of courage and honor, he was also
quite cool in his passions. The picture that history gives us is a man
of great talent and humility, who sought at every turn to do what he
believed to be the best for his country.
Thomas Jefferson
The Sorting Hat says: "Ravenclaw!"
While redheads tend to wind up in Gryffindor, and Jefferson's
willingness to be the master of slaves nudges him towards Slytherin, his
lifelong devotion to intellectual pursuits bears the firm stamp of
Ravenclaw.
Andrew Jackson
The Sorting Hat says: "Gryffindor!"
Andrew Jackson, being a man of Scots-Irish passion, is the president
most likely to get into a fist-fight as an adult. While his indifference
to the suffering of the Cherokee leans him towards Slytherin, in all
other repsects Jackson belongs in the Good Old Red and Gold.
Abraham Lincoln
The Sorting Hat says: "Gryffindor!"
"Difficult, very difficult." As with Harry Potter, Lincoln was a man of
immense talent, ambition, discipline, and personality. Lincoln was
*this* close to being sorted into Slytherin, because he had an amazing
talent for getting what he was after, and tended not to scruple about
how he got it. But in my book, the other three houses give way to
Gryffindor. Lincoln was a leader.
Andrew Johnson
The Sorting Hat says: "Hufflepuff!"
The governor of Johnson's home state wrote in a letter to a friend in
Washington, "give my regards to that dead dog in the White House."
Johnson was the first president to spend the entirety of his term in
lame-duck status. Any of the gifts that would have made him a more
effective president would have put him into one of the other houses.
Ulysees S. Grant
The Sorting Hat says: "Gryffindor!"
Really, does an alcoholic war hero belong anywhere but in Hagrid's house?
Theodore Roosevelt
The Sorting Hat says: "Gryffindor!"
The first Roosevelt had a dose of personal courage and a dynamic
personality. His political savvy was lacking, and he just doesn't cut
the figure of an intellectual or a diligent laborer.
Woodrow Wilson
The Sorting Hat says: "Ravenclaw!"
Wilson is a good indicator of why people of great intellect don't make
very good presidents. "He kept us out of war." Then he got us into war.
He also created the agency which caused the Great Depression.
Herbert Hoover
The Sorting Hat says: "Hufflepuff!"
The bomb lit by Woodrow Wilson went off on Hoover's watch. Hoover lacked
any of the talents that could have salvaged the situation.
Franklin Delano Roosevelt
The Sorting Hat says: "Slytherin!"
Roosevelt's lingering fame is proof that people don't understand
economics or foreign affairs, but they understand government checks with
their names on them. A real Gryffindor wouldn't have hidden his poor
physical health from the country, and also would have lended Hoover a
hand between the 1932 election and the following inauguration, instead
of sitting back until he could ride in on his white horse.
Harry Truman
The Sorting Hat says: "Gryffindor!"
His personality was more dynamic than Roosevelt's, and he was far less
manipulative.
Dwight D. Eisenhower
The Sorting Hat says: "Hufflepuff!"
Yes, he was a war hero, but there really was nothing more to him.
John F. Kennedy
The Sorting Hat says: "Slytherin!"
Rather an opposite of Lincoln, JFK was *this* close to being sorted into
Gryffidor. But much of his public persona was fabricated; like FDR, his
physical health was a topic on which the American public was purposefuly
and systematically misinformed.
Lyndon Johnson
The Sorting Hat says: "Slytherin!"
Lyndon Johnson's policies were mostly designed to further the political
career of Lyndon Johnson.
Richard Nixon
The Sorting Hat says: "Slytherin!"
He was a more competent president than Johnson, but he was just as crooked.
Gerald Ford
The Sorting Hat says: "Hufflepuff!"
Like Hoover, Ford was the hapless heir of a situation he did nothing to
create, and like Hoover he had neither the intellect, the ambition, nor
the charisma to stay in the Oval Office. Of course, he falls down about
as much as Neville, so maybe placement in Gryffindor wouldn't miss the mark.
Jimmy Carter
The Sorting Hat says: "Hufflepuff!"
Too clueless to be in Ravenclaw, too lacking in courage for Gryffindor,
and too naive to be in Slytherin.
Ronald Reagan
The Sorting Hat says: "Gryffindor!"
He had the kind of charisma that appealed to common people, he had a
keen sense of loyalty ("Thou shalt not speak evil of a fellow
Republican"), and he stood for what he believed in.
George H. W. Bush
The Sorting Hat says: "Hufflepuff!"
Not smart enough to see that breaking his "read my lips" promise would
make him a one-term president, not courageous enough to stand by that
promise, and not politcally savvy enough to survive the aftermath of
breaking the promise.
Bill Clinton
The Sorting Hat says: "Slytherin!"
I will brook no quibbling: The primary factor driving every decision
made by Bill Clinton was the furtherance of Bill Clinton's fortunes.
George W. Bush
The Sorting Hat says: "Hufflepuff!"
He tries to be another Reagan, but he's only about halfway there, and in
any event a real Gryffindor like Truman or Jackson would have nuked one
or more Middle Eastern nations in retaliation for the September 11th
attacks. Bush's 2000 and 2004 campaigns would have been far nastier if
he really were a Slytherin at heart (or if ultra-Slytherin Lee Atwater
were still managing Republican presidential campaigns), so that's out
too. Although he is smarter than his opponents want us to think he is
(and he isn't a pseudo-intellectual like his 2000 and 2004 opponents),
he's no Ravenclaw, either.
Regards,
John
(now donning his asbestos suit)
I would pretty much agree with your list but Dubya a Hufflepuff? I would
say he is a Crab or Goyle like Slytherin and Cheney is Volemort controling
his little death eater.
M_m
Heh. Nice work.
My own opinion is that, if one tried to sort the US Presidents, it would
turn out that some majority of them would be in Slytherin.
With the earliest presidents, it may have been different. The politics
of political parties weren't as firmly entrenched by then, and a lot of
our early leaders were more like pure intellectuals, or the brave/fiery
sort, etc.
But as time went on, the political arena became more and more an
800-pound gorilla, that was self-sustaining and semi-isolated from the
real country, and this was especially true at highest (federal) levels.
Leading us to today. In order to have success at the highest levels,
a politician practically *has* to build himself a mask--to become
skilled at hiding parts of his inner self, in order to paint a face that
is pleasing to the largest number of people. Furthermore, the vast
majority of modern high-level politicians yield their own opinions in
the name of the opinions of their party--strength in numbers.
These are all Slytherin qualities. One doesn't have to be an evil
genius of manipulation and of wearing a mask to be a Slytherin...they
only need to be strong qualities within them. Nor do they have to be
"evil." Given all that, I'd classify the presidents in the last few
decades as follows:
1980 Reagan: Slytherin
1988 Bush: Slytherin
1992 Clinton: Slytherin
2000 Bush: Slytherin
Before that, Carter *might* have been a non-Slytherin. And, as history
demonstrates, that lent him no amount of success at that level of
politics. Anyways, I don't expect the inherent qualities of national
politicians to change in the future--not unless the current "powers" are
weakened somewhat.
(rant! :) )
--
Efren Irizarry, II
--
Jean Lamb, tlamb...@charter.net
"Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards, for you are crunchy and good with
lemon drops."
Well.. we will never know how that election would have truly come out
had it been anywhere near a normal election.. Given the *joke* of that
clown Mr. Perot factoring in there....
M_m
"John VanSickle" <evil...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Bill Clinton
> The Sorting Hat says: "Slytherin!"
>
> I will brook no quibbling: The primary factor driving every decision
> made by Bill Clinton was the furtherance of Bill Clinton's fortunes.
People who knew him when he was younger were always most impressed by his
ambition.
>
> George W. Bush
> The Sorting Hat says: "Hufflepuff!"
>
> He tries to be another Reagan, but he's only about halfway there, and
> in any event a real Gryffindor like Truman or Jackson would have nuked
> one or more Middle Eastern nations in retaliation for the September
> 11th attacks. Bush's 2000 and 2004 campaigns would have been far
> nastier if he really were a Slytherin at heart (or if ultra-Slytherin
> Lee Atwater were still managing Republican presidential campaigns), so
> that's out too. Although he is smarter than his opponents want us to
> think he is (and he isn't a pseudo-intellectual like his 2000 and 2004
> opponents), he's no Ravenclaw, either.
I also put him into Hufflepuff, but on different grounds: just as people
who knew Clinton were most impressed with his ambition, people who knew
Bush were most impressed with his sense of personal loyalty.
So what you're saying is that cronyism is a quality to be desired in a
President? Hardly altruistic, if you ask me.
Eric didn't say it was /good/.
...Indeed, looking at Slughorn, it appears that cronyism is a quality at
least compatible with being a Slytherin. I wonder if Slughorn is more
or less sincere about his commitments to the various members of the Slug
Club than Bush Junior is to his own cronies.
Well, certainly Slughorn is said to have helped ease the way for his
favorites into some pretty nice professions, and the same can be said
for Bush, right? Although whether either of them acted from a genuine
desire to see their proteges succeed, OR from a desire to ensure that
they have "their" people in positions of influence, is highly debatable.
The rhetoric was often far nastier than what goes on now.
Regards,
John
Neener wrote:
Shall we sort the British PMs?
> Shall we sort the British PMs?
>
You start - I'll catch you up... ;o)
Why not! I'm giving Thatcher to Ravenclaw, as she was an accomplished
scientist before she got her hands dirty in the political world. :-)
> No, no asbestos suit needed. :)
> Actually, I found your work interesting.
> Only two questions:
>
> John VanSickle <evil...@earthlink.net> wrote in
> news:Dfd9f.2333$2y....@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net:
>
> > While sitting around the hospital one day, I decided to sort the U.S.
> > Presidents. Well, half of them. Before you read, set the following
> > things firmly in mind:
> >
> > George Washington
> > The Sorting Hat says: "Hufflepuff!"
> >
> > The father of our country was perhaps the most modest person ever to
> > hold the rank of general. His overwhelming lack of political ambition
> > precludes him from placement in Slytherin. History credits him with no
> > greater an intellect than is necessitated by the roles of general and
> > gentleman farmer. While he was a man of courage and honor, he was also
> > quite cool in his passions. The picture that history gives us is a man
> > of great talent and humility, who sought at every turn to do what he
> > believed to be the best for his country.
>
> He also established some customs, one of them being that all people stand
> when the president enters a room, he insisted on it. Might that push him
> a tad bit away from Hufflepuff?
Depending on how much you know about the real gorge depends on where you put
him. He was no where near modest.
I would put him in S house my self.
But that was what was needed at the time. It is that he is rather white
washed in most history books.
>
>
> > George H. W. Bush
> > The Sorting Hat says: "Hufflepuff!"
> >
> > Not smart enough to see that breaking his "read my lips" promise would
> > make him a one-term president, not courageous enough to stand by that
> > promise, and not politcally savvy enough to survive the aftermath of
> > breaking the promise.
>
> True, very true. He also signed the Americans With Disabilities Act, and
> did so while staring in the face of immense anger from far too many
> people in his own party (not to mention corporate America in general).
> Might that tip the balance toward another house?
>
> Don't know that either of these tidbits would make a difference, just
> curious.
>
> Geo
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Nah. If they had something that bad, they'd have used it. The whole
Middle East is run by Slytherins, and has been for centuries.
Regards,
John
Perot owes all of his success to Bush's mistakes. "Oh, *&#@, I don't
like Bush's promise-breaking, and I'll never vote for Clinton, so--oh
hey, who's that?"
Regards,
John
> James Earl Carter: To pass into the Naval submarine program, you may not be
> a rocket scientist, but you _will_ have an understanding of nuclear physics
> far surpassing the norm. Mother B has *spoken*! (Mother B being the Deity of
> 3.0 at the US Naval Academy). Maybe not Ravenclaw, and his strong moral
> character both during and after the Presidency (Habitat for Humanity) do
> strike one as being one of the higher octaves of Hufflepuff. Ravenclaw is
> about academics, not necessarily practical cluefulness.
I am amenable to moving Carter from Hufflepuff to Ravenclaw. It would
only bolster the point that Ravenclaws do not make good presidents.
Regards,
John
--Mind you, I wasn't arguing _that_ part at all...though Jefferson managed
rather nicely. Then again, he didn't have to go on television and answer
questions about Sally Deming, either, though several newspapers of the time
killed many trees on the subject. As for Founding Fathers, both Burr and
Hamilton were Slytherins, though Hamilton was bright enough to have made it
into Ravenclaw if he so desired. Madison, though not quite as short as
Flitwick, was nearly as brilliant, and his Gryffindor lady Dolly Madison was
the only person who lived who could make John Randolph of Roanoke behave
himself at a party. (Mr. of Roanoke and Mad-Eye would either have blasted
each other to Bermuda or gotten along well enough to worry the rest of
civilization. Both were several Knuts short of a Galleon, know what I
mean?). Abigail Adams and Minerva McGonagall would have had tea, decided the
fate of the world, and cackled madly while knitting, thus terrifying
everyone around them. John Adams would have already left for Atlantis once
he saw the two together, because he was not stupid. Bad temper like a
Gryffindor, the vocabulary of a Ravenclaw, and one of the few people I would
bet to give Snape difficulty in a debate.
Ah, was it? I haven't studied that era of politics at depth, so I don't
know for sure. I wonder if they were just as clannish, and just as
eager to put party opinions ahead of their own as they are today...
--
Efren Irizarry, II
"John VanSickle" <evil...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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William Howard Taft
The Sorting Hat says: "Hufflepuff!"
President Taft suffered from being in Teddy Roosavelt's shadow, although the
only one who would cast a larger physical shadow than him would be Dudley
Dursley. Taft most likely would have been re-elected in 1912 if it wasn't
for the fact that Teddy Roosavelt ran as an independant, and took a lot of
Republican votes with him.
> Woodrow Wilson
> The Sorting Hat says: "Ravenclaw!"
>
> Wilson is a good indicator of why people of great intellect don't make
> very good presidents. "He kept us out of war." Then he got us into war.
> He also created the agency which caused the Great Depression.
>
William G. Harding
The Sorting Hat says: "Slytherin!"
This guy made President Clinton look like a choir boy. Publically suported
prohobition, and still ran a speak-easy right out of the White House. Had
an affair inside the White House, and was sniffed out by the family dog.
His Interior Secretary was indicted in a scandal to sell off valuable oil
deposits in Wyoming called "Teapot Dome" He did all this in just three
years as he died in office before even completing his first term.
> Herbert Hoover
> The Sorting Hat says: "Hufflepuff!"
>
> The bomb lit by Woodrow Wilson went off on Hoover's watch. Hoover lacked
> any of the talents that could have salvaged the situation.
>
> Franklin Delano Roosevelt
> The Sorting Hat says: "Slytherin!"
>
> Roosevelt's lingering fame is proof that people don't understand
> economics or foreign affairs, but they understand government checks with
> their names on them. A real Gryffindor wouldn't have hidden his poor
> physical health from the country, and also would have lended Hoover a
> hand between the 1932 election and the following inauguration, instead
> of sitting back until he could ride in on his white horse.
>
You make good points, but I would have to say Gryffindor for FDR. Getting
the country through the great depression and WWII both outweigh his
political craftiness.
> Harry Truman
> The Sorting Hat says: "Gryffindor!"
>
> His personality was more dynamic than Roosevelt's, and he was far less
> manipulative.
>
> Dwight D. Eisenhower
> The Sorting Hat says: "Hufflepuff!"
>
> Yes, he was a war hero, but there really was nothing more to him.
>
> John F. Kennedy
> The Sorting Hat says: "Slytherin!"
>
> Rather an opposite of Lincoln, JFK was *this* close to being sorted into
> Gryffidor. But much of his public persona was fabricated; like FDR, his
> physical health was a topic on which the American public was purposefuly
> and systematically misinformed.
>
JFK was no doubt a Slytherin. He was too much in it for himself for it to
be even close to Gryffindor.
> Lyndon Johnson
> The Sorting Hat says: "Slytherin!"
>
> Lyndon Johnson's policies were mostly designed to further the political
> career of Lyndon Johnson.
>
> Richard Nixon
> The Sorting Hat says: "Slytherin!"
>
> He was a more competent president than Johnson, but he was just as
crooked.
>
> Gerald Ford
> The Sorting Hat says: "Hufflepuff!"
>
> Like Hoover, Ford was the hapless heir of a situation he did nothing to
> create, and like Hoover he had neither the intellect, the ambition, nor
> the charisma to stay in the Oval Office. Of course, he falls down about
> as much as Neville, so maybe placement in Gryffindor wouldn't miss the
mark.
>
> Jimmy Carter
> The Sorting Hat says: "Hufflepuff!"
>
> Too clueless to be in Ravenclaw, too lacking in courage for Gryffindor,
> and too naive to be in Slytherin.
President Carter went through the Naval Academy and worked on the nuclear
submarine program in its early days. That is enough to make him a Ravenclaw
in my book.
I would put President George W. Bush in Hufflepuff too, but for slightly
different reasons. The primary quality of Hyfflepuffs is loyality and no
one has ever said that Bush isn't loyal, especially to his friends. He is
receiving a lot of help from his Slytherin friend Carl Rove and to a lesser
extent fellow Slytherins Dick Cheney, Bill Frist, and Tom DeLay.
> Regards,
> John
> (now donning his asbestos suit)
Again, thanks for the post.
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John VanSickle wrote:
I think a few Presidents are missing, and I would sort GWB into Slytherin, due
to the huge number of scandals in his administration, and his Machiavellian
campaign tactics (i.e. the Swift Boat ads).
> I think a few Presidents are missing, and I would sort GWB into Slytherin, due
> to the huge number of scandals in his administration, and his Machiavellian
> campaign tactics (i.e. the Swift Boat ads).
Dubya is Slytherin, simply because it's his family connections that
put him in the school. Plus, I can imagine a Muggle hurt by Katrina
saying, "George W. Bush doesn't care about mudbloods."
He's also like Wormtail. Worthless, useless, and hiding behind more
powerful people: Cheney and his other Cronies.
If GWB were really a Slytherin, he would have deep-sixed the
investigation into the scandals.
Regards,
John