"Now I have work for each of you. Fudge's attitude, though not unexpected,
changes everything. Sirius, I need you to set off at once. You are to
alert Remus Lupin, Arabella Figg, Mundungus Fletcher-the old crowd."
I just found this out and I am not sure if Dumbledore is referring to the
same Mrs. Figg. Please Reply
Thanks
-Andy Ryan
I had the same thought - that the Mrs. Figg who babysat Harry when the
Dursleys didn't want to take him places might be the Arabella Figg
referred to here. Would make sense, I think, that when out of his
family's protection sphere (or whatever you want to call it, the old
magic that Dumbledore invoked that protects Harry when he is in the
care of his relatives), he is in the care of someone Dumbledore trusts.
Jane
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Before you buy.
Thirdly, if she were a witch, wouldn't she have filled Harry in about
his parents and about Hogwarts? But by the time Hagrid catches up with
him, Harry still knows nothing about James and Lily or the Wizarding
world. If Mrs. Figg had been a witch, and managed to keep the Dursleys
from finding out, I would think that A, Harry would have enjoyed
staying with her more, and that she would have comforted him by telling
him he'd be able to escape to Hogwarts when he'd turned eleven. For
that matter, if Mrs. Figg were a witch, Harry would have been much
better off in her care to begin with!
Melissa
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Don't allow your mind to wander: It's too little to be allowed out by
itself.
> Hmmmm it's possible, and it would make sense to have someone from the
> wizarding world nearby that could protect Harry if necessary. But I
> don't think we're talking about the same Mrs. Figg. The Mrs. Figg in
> Sorceror's Stone, doesn't seem to behave like a witch, to me. Dudley is
> able to knock her down on his bicycle, I would think that a witch
> would be able to get out of his way in time. Secondly, the Dursley's
> seem to trust her, and if she WERE a witch, they'd wouldn't want Harry
> to have anything to do with her.
I bet we are talking abt same Mrs Figg - point is, she's undercover
watching Harry, so she's got to be convincing.
>
> Thirdly, if she were a witch, wouldn't she have filled Harry in about
> his parents and about Hogwarts? But by the time Hagrid catches up with
> him, Harry still knows nothing about James and Lily or the Wizarding
> world. If Mrs. Figg had been a witch, and managed to keep the Dursleys
> from finding out, I would think that A, Harry would have enjoyed
> staying with her more, and that she would have comforted him by telling
> him he'd be able to escape to Hogwarts when he'd turned eleven. For
> that matter, if Mrs. Figg were a witch, Harry would have been much
> better off in her care to begin with!
In GoF it's explained that dumbledore invoked a special magic that
protects harry from vmort while he's in the care of his relations.
otherwise, why not just raise him at hogworts?
In article <8nem7h$bvc$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
shi...@my-deja.com wrote:
> Hmmmm it's possible, and it would make sense to have someone from the
> wizarding world nearby that could protect Harry if necessary. But I
> don't think we're talking about the same Mrs. Figg. The Mrs. Figg in
> Sorceror's Stone, doesn't seem to behave like a witch, to me. Dudley
> is able to knock her down on his bicycle, I would think that a witch
> would be able to get out of his way in time. Secondly, the Dursley's
> seem to trust her, and if she WERE a witch, they'd wouldn't want Harry
> to have anything to do with her.
Yes, but most witches and wizards don't seem to advertise the fact. To
the Dursleys, she probably just seems like a perfectly normal old
lady. If she has indeed been placed there to covertly watch over
Harry, then she would probably do evne more to appear to live a normal
life in front of the Dursleys (or maybe she's even charmed them with
the occasional memory lapse curse a la Gilderoy Lockhart).
Also, remember that Mrs. Figg had a house full of cats, a trait that is
closely associated with witches. It is not abnormal for Muggles to
live like this, but it appears that this may have been an early, subtle
hint at her true nature.
> Thirdly, if she were a witch, wouldn't she have filled Harry in about
> his parents and about Hogwarts? But by the time Hagrid catches up with
> him, Harry still knows nothing about James and Lily or the Wizarding
> world. If Mrs. Figg had been a witch, and managed to keep the Dursleys
> from finding out, I would think that A, Harry would have enjoyed
> staying with her more, and that she would have comforted him by
> telling him he'd be able to escape to Hogwarts when he'd turned
> eleven. For that matter, if Mrs. Figg were a witch, Harry would have
> been much better off in her care to begin with!
Again, if this is a covert operation of Dumbledore's, secerecy seemed
key. Hagrid may have been surprised that the Dursleys had not told
Harry about his identity, but I doubt Dumbledore was. Along with the
charm placed on the Dursley's house, he figured that Harry was best off
this way. Sure, it may have been a terrible eleven years, but it did
teach Harry about independence and survival. He wouldn't be who he is
today if it weren't for being raised the way he was.
Plus, imagine some strange old lady who babysits you telling you that
you are a wizard. You'd think she was off her rocker! It was the
series of bizarre events in SS/PS, along with the Dursley's strange
behavior that convinced Harry that Hagrid was telling the truth. The
fact that he heard all this from a bona fide half-giant didn't hurt.
All in all, Rowling does not frequently reuse names and rarely lapses
on plot points. We saw in PoA how a seemingly inocuous character
introduced in SS/PS ended up being vital to the grand scheme of
things. It is very likely that Arabella Figg is this someone Harry
grew up with, and it is indeed cleverly placed at the end of GoF, when
the character as Harry knows her has been out of his mind (and the
readers') for quite some time.
PEter
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>
> In article <8nem7h$bvc$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> shi...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > Hmmmm it's possible, and it would make sense to have someone from
the
> > wizarding world nearby that could protect Harry if necessary. But I
> > don't think we're talking about the same Mrs. Figg. The Mrs. Figg in
> > Sorceror's Stone, doesn't seem to behave like a witch, to me. Dudley
> > is able to knock her down on his bicycle, I would think that a witch
> > would be able to get out of his way in time. Secondly, the Dursley's
> > seem to trust her, and if she WERE a witch, they'd wouldn't want
Harry
> > to have anything to do with her.
>
> Yes, but most witches and wizards don't seem to advertise the fact.
Actually Wizards who don't know what they're doing and try to dress in
Muggle clothes DO look rather conspicuous, I submit the Quidditch World
Cup chapters as evidence. Even if they try to be inconspicuous, if they
haven't done their muggle studies homework, they rather stick out. <G>
To
> the Dursleys, she probably just seems like a perfectly normal old
> lady. If she has indeed been placed there to covertly watch over
> Harry, then she would probably do evne more to appear to live a normal
> life in front of the Dursleys (or maybe she's even charmed them with
> the occasional memory lapse curse a la Gilderoy Lockhart).
Yes, you're right. This is very possible.
>
> Also, remember that Mrs. Figg had a house full of cats, a trait that
is
> closely associated with witches. It is not abnormal for Muggles to
> live like this, but it appears that this may have been an early,
subtle
> hint at her true nature.
>
> > Thirdly, if she were a witch, wouldn't she have filled Harry in
about
> > his parents and about Hogwarts? But by the time Hagrid catches up
with
> > him, Harry still knows nothing about James and Lily or the Wizarding
> > world. If Mrs. Figg had been a witch, and managed to keep the
Dursleys
> > from finding out, I would think that A, Harry would have enjoyed
> > staying with her more, and that she would have comforted him by
> > telling him he'd be able to escape to Hogwarts when he'd turned
> > eleven. For that matter, if Mrs. Figg were a witch, Harry would have
> > been much better off in her care to begin with!
>
> Again, if this is a covert operation of Dumbledore's, secerecy seemed
> key. Hagrid may have been surprised that the Dursleys had not told
> Harry about his identity, but I doubt Dumbledore was. Along with the
> charm placed on the Dursley's house, he figured that Harry was best
off
> this way.
But Dumbledore left a letter with Harry when he was left on the
Dursley's doorstep to explain who he really was, didn't he? He didn't
know the Dursley's would destroy it. I can accept though that he
wanted Harry to find out he was famous in the Wizarding world later in
his life, and I think THAT was wise. Harry turned out to be a nice,
likeable kid who could make friends, and he's not vain about his fame.
But I don't think Dumbledore wanted Harry to be completely in the dark
about being a wizard and the child of wizards and coming to Hogwarts.
Sure, it may have been a terrible eleven years, but it did
> teach Harry about independence and survival. He wouldn't be who he is
> today if it weren't for being raised the way he was.
Very true.
>
> Plus, imagine some strange old lady who babysits you telling you that
> you are a wizard. You'd think she was off her rocker!
Actually, if she'd been baby-sitting Harry from baby-hood, she could
have gained his trust a bit more gradually, by telling him "I knew your
parents," and telling him about them. Because he wasn't living with
her, Harry would still have learned the survival tactics that he did
while living with the Dursley's.
It was the
> series of bizarre events in SS/PS, along with the Dursley's strange
> behavior that convinced Harry that Hagrid was telling the truth. The
> fact that he heard all this from a bona fide half-giant didn't hurt.
>
> All in all, Rowling does not frequently reuse names and rarely lapses
> on plot points. We saw in PoA how a seemingly inocuous character
> introduced in SS/PS ended up being vital to the grand scheme of
> things. It is very likely that Arabella Figg is this someone Harry
> grew up with, and it is indeed cleverly placed at the end of GoF, when
> the character as Harry knows her has been out of his mind (and the
> readers') for quite some time.
>
> PEter
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>
Very convincing arguments, Peter. But I'm still not QUITE convinced
that Arabella Figg and Mrs. Figg are the same person. However, I'm
willing to entertain the possibility that I'm wrong. <G>
Firstly, I think that if Arabella were a part of James and Lily's
social circle, she'd be in her thirties at the oldest Mrs. Figg is
quite elderly. However, it's possible that Arabella is Mrs. Figg's
daughter, and she's one of those spontaneous witches or wizards who
spring up in Muggle families. Arabella could still have been keeping
an eye on Harry indirectly through her mother, but been ordered by
Dumbledore not to tell him anything.
Melissa
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Don't allow your mind to wander: It's too little to be allowed out by
itself.
I'm rereading it yet again, and I noticed something. The Weasley's
tent for the boys at the Quidditch World Cup, was decorated like Mrs
Figg's house and even smelt like cats. Maybe you guys ARE onto
something.
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Point well taken.
> > Again, if this is a covert operation of Dumbledore's, secerecy
seemed
> > key. Hagrid may have been surprised that the Dursleys had not told
> > Harry about his identity, but I doubt Dumbledore was. Along with
the
> > charm placed on the Dursley's house, he figured that Harry was best
> off
> > this way.
>
> But Dumbledore left a letter with Harry when he was left on the
> Dursley's doorstep to explain who he really was, didn't he? He didn't
> know the Dursley's would destroy it. I can accept though that he
> wanted Harry to find out he was famous in the Wizarding world later in
> his life, and I think THAT was wise. Harry turned out to be a nice,
> likeable kid who could make friends, and he's not vain about his fame.
> But I don't think Dumbledore wanted Harry to be completely in the dark
> about being a wizard and the child of wizards and coming to Hogwarts.
>
Well, all we know is that Dumbledore left a note alog with baby Harry's
body. It probably explained (first of all) that the bundle was their
nephew, Harry Potter, that his parents died (and how), and that, as
next of kin, they were responsible for raising him. Maybe he did
indicate that they were to explain to Harry about his heritage, but
maybe he didn't. As far as I know, the details of the letter are never
told to us.
> > Plus, imagine some strange old lady who babysits you telling you
that
> > you are a wizard. You'd think she was off her rocker!
>
> Actually, if she'd been baby-sitting Harry from baby-hood, she could
> have gained his trust a bit more gradually, by telling him "I knew
your
> parents," and telling him about them. Because he wasn't living with
> her, Harry would still have learned the survival tactics that he did
> while living with the Dursley's.
>
Again, you bring up many good points. All I can say is that I have a
very strong hunch. All we can do, though, is wait a couple of months,
though, isn't it?
> Very convincing arguments, Peter. But I'm still not QUITE convinced
> that Arabella Figg and Mrs. Figg are the same person. However, I'm
> willing to entertain the possibility that I'm wrong. <G>
> Firstly, I think that if Arabella were a part of James and Lily's
> social circle, she'd be in her thirties at the oldest Mrs. Figg is
> quite elderly. However, it's possible that Arabella is Mrs. Figg's
> daughter, and she's one of those spontaneous witches or wizards who
> spring up in Muggle families. Arabella could still have been keeping
> an eye on Harry indirectly through her mother, but been ordered by
> Dumbledore not to tell him anything.
>
Very interesting daughter theory. Very interesting, indeed.
Although, I don't think that Mrs. Figg needs to be around the age of
James and Lily Potter. At this point, Dumbledore is calling many
important figures together to battle Voldemort, not just the Potter
gang. And if Mrs. Figg is Arabella, then Dumbledore may want her to
keep an extra careful eye open at the Dursleys this summer.
Isn;t speculation just awful? ;o)
> Very interesting daughter theory. Very interesting, indeed.
> Although, I don't think that Mrs. Figg needs to be around the age of
> James and Lily Potter. At this point, Dumbledore is calling many
> important figures together to battle Voldemort, not just the Potter
> gang. And if Mrs. Figg is Arabella, then Dumbledore may want her to
> keep an extra careful eye open at the Dursleys this summer.
>
> Isn;t speculation just awful? ;o)
>
> PEter
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>
Actually, I find it quite entertaining. :o) And I agree, with Voldemort
on the loose again, Dumbledore is probably rallying every witch and
wizard he trusts to fight him, age being unimportant as long as they can
handle a wand.
But you're right, we just need to wait a while longer for HP#5.
(But I want it now!)
Melissa
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Don't allow your mind to wander: It's too little to be allowed out by
itself.
You know, there is one thing that no one has seemed to touch on not
even JKR. What about the Muggle born wizard's? Don't you think they
would have some idea as to how Muggles were to dress? Even if Mrs.
Figg is old and maybe lived in the wizarding world for awhile when she
was given the task to watch Harry she would have done like most old
people and wore what was in style in her day. So this theory doesn't
hold much water either.
: Melissa
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Wand- 11" oak w/dragon hair, good for bewitching peoples minds
Pet- Rumpleteaser a calico kittles
Jonathan.
:::snip:::
>
> You know, there is one thing that no one has seemed to touch on not
> even JKR. What about the Muggle born wizard's? Don't you think they
> would have some idea as to how Muggles were to dress? Even if Mrs.
> Figg is old and maybe lived in the wizarding world for awhile when she
> was given the task to watch Harry she would have done like most old
> people and wore what was in style in her day. So this theory doesn't
> hold much water either.
>
> : Melissa
> : --
:::snip:::
It could be that they don't know how to put the muggle clothes on? I
remember holding up one piece of clothing my sister had once and having no
idea how to put the darn thing on. It was some odd undergarment lol. Also,
muggles have trouble putting on tuxedos - can you imagine a wizard trying to
put one on - fumbling with a bowtie. Just a thought...
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11 1/2'" oak and dragons hair wand especially good for bewitching minds.
Spotted snowy owl named Blair
>Very interesting daughter theory. Very interesting, indeed.
>Although, I don't think that Mrs. Figg needs to be around the age of
>James and Lily Potter. At this point, Dumbledore is calling many
>important figures together to battle Voldemort, not just the Potter
>gang. And if Mrs. Figg is Arabella, then Dumbledore may want her to
>keep an extra careful eye open at the Dursleys this summer.
It's also possible she's a squib (or whatever the term is for a child
of wizard parents who can't do magic), and is often 'used' by wizard
society when they need someone who can easily pass a muggle -- because
she IS one. As such, her lack of explaining things to Harry makes some
sense.
"Harry, you're really a wizard!"
"Right, pull the other one. How do you know?"
"Because MY parents were a wizard and a witch, just like yours were!"
"So do a spell, then."
"Er...I can't."
"Gee, I wonder when my Uncle and Aunt are coming home..."
The other possibility is that she wouldn't be able to keep an eye on
Harry if his aunt and uncle 'suspected', so she kept her mouth shut
lest he tell them what she told him.
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Just to add to everyone's suspicions:
Could be that Rowling may have been dropping hints about Mrs Figg
all along. Subtle things, nothing that would mean anything
unless you suspected her of being a witch.
It's mentioned in GoF that the inside of the Weasleys' tent
looked like Mrs Figg's house. Well, a lot of people have houses
like that but...
Also, wasn't there something about Mrs Figg having cat difficulties
in book 1? Nothing unusual about a person who lives alone
treating her cats like they're human, right?
You can never tell with these books which things are hints
and which are red herrings. This Mrs Figg thing might be
nothing. On the other hand, I didn't think the beetle meant
anything, either.
SD
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After reading all the connections cited in this thread so far, they
seem to provide a basis for a speculation that had only been a hunch.
Not only does it make sense that Harry's babysitter Mrs Figg is a
witch, it makes her a very likely candidate for the identity of the
animagus whom my wife Gen and I have long suspected is posing as
Hermione's cat Crookshanks.
Harry keys on an impression of Mrs Figg and the smell of cats, in
the Weasley's tent. In "Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone,"
We aren't told whether or not Mrs. Figg currently owns a cat, merely
that she's "a mad old lady who...made him look at photographs of all
the cats she'd ever owned." They're named as Tibbles, Snowy, Mr Paws
and Tufty.
Crookshanks is friendly with the big dog, and knows how to operate
the knothole, too clever by half quite often.
Ken Cope http://www.ozcot.com
I don't think that animagi also do sex transformations, and
Crookshanks is definitely a male cat.
JB
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JB:ravenclaw/yew wand with phoenix feather/owl
It's details like that that'll ruin a perfectly good epiphany.
The gender issue ocurred to us on the drive home, as we also
wondered how long Crookshanks had spent in the pet store. Purrhaps
Mrs Figg trains feline familiars (he said, in a desperate effort
to recover).
Ken Cope http://www.ozcot.com
Practicing a cats' favorite occupation, seemingly idly staring into space
while really gathering knowledge, Crookshanks probably saw someone else
operate the knothole. Alternately, maybe Sirus told Crookshanks how to get
in: remember there are scenes of them traveling together while Sirus was in
his alternate form.
--
Mitch S
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Ken Cope <pin...@ozcot.com> wrote in message
news:39A6B9DB...@ozcot.com...
> Andy Ryan wrote:
> >
> > Look at what I found in The Goblet Of Fire, in "The Parting Of The
> > Ways"(Chap. 36)[page 713] Dumbledore says to Sirius:
> >
> > "Now I have work for each of you. Fudge's attitude, though not
unexpected,
> > changes everything. Sirius, I need you to set off at once. You are to
> > alert Remus Lupin, Arabella Figg, Mundungus Fletcher-the old crowd."
> >
> > I just found this out and I am not sure if Dumbledore is referring to
the
> > same Mrs. Figg. Please Reply
> > Thanks
> >
> > -Andy Ryan
>
> After reading all the connections cited in this thread so far, they
> seem to provide a basis for a speculation that had only been a hunch.
>
> Not only does it make sense that Harry's babysitter Mrs Figg is a
> witch, it makes her a very likely candidate for the identity of the
> animagus whom my wife Gen and I have long suspected is posing as
> Hermione's cat Crookshanks.
>
> Harry keys on an impression of Mrs Figg and the smell of cats, in
> the Weasley's tent. In "Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone,"
> We aren't told whether or not Mrs. Figg currently owns a cat, merely
> that she's "a mad old lady who...made him look at photographs of all
> the cats she'd ever owned." They're named as Tibbles, Snowy, Mr Paws
> and Tufty.
>
> Crookshanks is friendly with the big dog, and knows how to operate
> the knothole, too clever by half quite often.
>
> Ken Cope http://www.ozcot.com
> Mrs Figg trains feline familiars (he said, in a desperate effort
> to recover).
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Wand: 11" mahogany/unicorn, charm work
Pet: Glueclaws, gray cat that doesn't like me
>Read this as friendly (that's the trouble with writing vs speaking: hard to
>put tone in words)
>Obviously you never had a cat own you! They are quite intelligent. I've
>often suspected *all* cats are really small furry people.
Heh. Ken is owned by two cats, as am I, and I share the apartment with
two more, total four.
While I have heard evidence to the contrary, my own experience is that
cats are, on the whole, brain-dead. I love my little fuzzy babies, but
it's always interesting watching them and trying to figure out who's
got the communal brain cell this week. (For example, it does not take
a preponderance of intellect to figure out that doing the happy
starving kitty dance around someones legs while they're carrying 50
pounds of groceries (including catfood) is a good way to get your tail
trod on. Nor will we discuss the curiously variable intellect that
permits Natasha to cunningly figure out how to get to the TOP of the
opened door...but not how to get back DOWN. (Short of crying
pathetically until I rescue her. Then she does it AGAIN.))