Draco Malfoy child abuse theory
Thirty3b0y
victim of physical and mental abuse at the hands of Lucius, which therefore,
comments a great deal on why Draco acts the way he does. Nothing really
"concrete" has been said in any of the books, though I began to think this way
after seeing the kind "love" Lucius gives his son...not necessarily in the form
of hugs and "I'm proud of you Draco" speeches, but rather, in material
possessions and so forth. Another aspect that caught my attention was the
"extra punishments" Dobby speaks of after he is rescued by Harry. And having
two arctic cold and aristocratic people as parents can't be exactly be a basket
of fruit either...no matter the personality of the child, it's going to have a
very distinct impression. There's also a slew of fanfics out there that
portray Draco as such, which I suppose perhaps amplified my view of him in this
manner. I've no idea what their justifications were, but it all seemed right
to me. I was just wondering if anyone else would comment on this...
Christopher Hortin
>I was simply curious if anyone else out there looks at Draco as
>being the victim of physical and mental abuse at the hands of
>Lucius, which therefore, comments a great deal on why Draco acts
>the way he does.
I've thought as much in the past, and I'm glad to see that I'm not
alone. 8-)
>Nothing really "concrete" has been said in any of the books,
>though I began to think this way after seeing the kind "love"
>Lucius gives his son...not necessarily in the form of hugs and
>"I'm proud of you Draco" speeches, but rather, in material
>possessions and so forth.
The primary thing that comes to mind for me is the coversation that
Harry overhears in Knockturn Alley (CoS). The way that Lucious talks
to his son suggests that their relationship is a harsh one. That may
not necessarily entail physical abuse, but other kinds of abuse can
be just as harmful.
It's rather interesting how Harry and Draco have common ground in
being raised by poor parents. Harry was neglected and harassed by
the Dursleys, and the books suggest that Draco has experienced the
same, with some slight differences.
[snip]
>And having two arctic cold and aristocratic people as parents can't
>be exactly be a basket of fruit either...no matter the personality
>of the child, it's going to have a very distinct impression.
Most certainly. It's most evident in Draco's bullying of other
people. The classic sign that a child is not loved is when they rely
on demeaning others to give their lives meaning.
>There's also a slew of fanfics out there that portray Draco as
>such, which I suppose perhaps amplified my view of him in this
>manner.
[snip]
I used to love reading those kind of Draco fanfics. Agnst is yummy!
To herald my return (maybe) to afh-p, it's poll time:
Will Draco and Harry end up working together on the same side? Why
or why not?
~Chris, the Icicle Child~ (it's cold as a mutha down here in a small
town. Our furnace is broke. 8-( The Iciclechild is turning into an
icicle.)
--
[ "All those things that you taught me to fear, ]
[ I've got them in my garden now, ]
[ and you're not welcome here." ]
[ -Poe, "Control" ]
Richard Sliwa
If you look at the way the British artistocracy raise their children, there
is absolutely nothing strange in the way Draco has been brought up. Whilst
his father's doesn't appear to have ever shown him much affection, this is
a far cry from summing up his attitude as "abuse".
The British upper classes (on which the Malfoys are based) traditionally
don't regard a father's job as giving their children much time. Their role
is to provide for the family, and to continue family traditions. Any
contact with the children (especially boys) is directed towards passing on
those values, not to making their children "happy".
For a wonderful caricature of British upper-middle class (and aristocratic)
parenting attitudes, see Mary Poppins. Like all caricatures, the image
painted is a very real one. As is the moral of that story, which is that
small children need their parents to be more than distant role models.
Karen
<thirt...@aol.com> wrote:
> I began to think this way
> after seeing the kind "love" Lucius gives his son...not necessarily in the
> form
> of hugs and "I'm proud of you Draco" speeches, but rather, in material
> possessions and so forth.
I see the Malfoy's as being extremely demanding and cold, but not
necessarily abusive in the physical sense. Draco's father expects him
to be tops in the year, and is especially bothered that the spot is
held by a muggleborn. Lucious seems to be the Politically Correct type
who insists that Draco get along with Harry because it is the Right
thing to do, not the friendly thing to do. Donations to charities is
another indicator of his efforts at Political Correctness.
--
Karen
"But let's also remember that there was a moment, way back in the mists
of the late last century, when Harry Potter was a cool club you could
join only by reading." Tracy Mayor, Salon.com
Kim Bastin
>In article <20020101171554...@mb-fw.aol.com>, Thirty3b0y
><thirt...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> I began to think this way
>> after seeing the kind "love" Lucius gives his son...not necessarily in the
>> form
>> of hugs and "I'm proud of you Draco" speeches, but rather, in material
>> possessions and so forth.
>
>I see the Malfoy's as being extremely demanding and cold, but not
>necessarily abusive in the physical sense. Draco's father expects him
>to be tops in the year, and is especially bothered that the spot is
>held by a muggleborn. Lucious seems to be the Politically Correct type
>who insists that Draco get along with Harry because it is the Right
>thing to do, not the friendly thing to do. Donations to charities is
>another indicator of his efforts at Political Correctness.
I really don't get the impression that this is "political
correctness", rather a cold calculation of what is in his/Draco's best
interests to do. Harry is too powerful for Draco to have as an enemy
(Draco obviously disagrees, or doesn't care). Generous donations to
"worthy causes" give the family powerful leverage with the Ministry of
Magic.
Kim Bastin
Ashford Wyrd
"Karen" <Ka...@infobreak.net> wrote in message
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> In article <20020101171554...@mb-fw.aol.com>, Thirty3b0y
> <thirt...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > I began to think this way
> > after seeing the kind "love" Lucius gives his son...not necessarily in
the
> > form
> > of hugs and "I'm proud of you Draco" speeches, but rather, in material
> > possessions and so forth.
>
> I see the Malfoy's as being extremely demanding and cold, but not
> necessarily abusive in the physical sense. Draco's father expects him
> to be tops in the year, and is especially bothered that the spot is
> held by a muggleborn. Lucious seems to be the Politically Correct type
> who insists that Draco get along with Harry because it is the Right
> thing to do, not the friendly thing to do. Donations to charities is
> another indicator of his efforts at Political Correctness.
ERRRMMMM.... I agree that Lucious is being PC, but I disagree that PC is
concerned at ALL with what is right or wrong. It is only concerned with what
appears expedient to the present situation.
Perhaps you need a history lesson. Back before WWII, when Hitler was
beginning to round up Jews to kill, Stalin was doing the same thing to
Anarchists, (the very people who fought to put him in power instead of the
Dzar). Stalin committed such acts of political genocide, because the
anarchists would never bow down and worship him as supreme ruler, even
though they had put him on that throne. He coined the term "political
correctness" as an excuse for this senseless murder.
Whenever you use the term "PC", you should be reminded of Stalin, and his
tens of millions of murders. (The fact that most have forgotten Stalin
worries me more than that a few have forgotten Hitler)
Karen
<a_w...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Lucious seems to be the Politically Correct type
> > who insists that Draco get along with Harry because it is the Right
> > thing to do, not the friendly thing to do. Donations to charities is
> > another indicator of his efforts at Political Correctness.
>
> ERRRMMMM.... I agree that Lucious is being PC, but I disagree that PC is
> concerned at ALL with what is right or wrong. It is only concerned with what
> appears expedient to the present situation.
That's right.
>
> Perhaps you need a history lesson.
I'm always in need of history lessons, seeing that I've only
experienced less than half a century firsthand.
> Back before WWII, when Hitler was
> beginning to round up Jews to kill, Stalin was doing the same thing to
> Anarchists, (the very people who fought to put him in power instead of the
> Dzar). Stalin committed such acts of political genocide, because the
> anarchists would never bow down and worship him as supreme ruler, even
> though they had put him on that throne. He coined the term "political
> correctness" as an excuse for this senseless murder.
I'm not sure that I'm operating under Stalin's definition. (Did he
speak English?) I'm using it in the usual way that it is used in North
America in the early 21st century. That would be doing what is the
most politically expedient thing to do whether or not it is morally,
ethically, or even logically right.
>
> Whenever you use the term "PC", you should be reminded of Stalin, and his
> tens of millions of murders. (The fact that most have forgotten Stalin
> worries me more than that a few have forgotten Hitler)
Those that don't remember are condemned to repeat.
Beth Winter
> In article <u38e8h9...@corp.supernews.com>, Ashford Wyrd
> <a_w...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> <SNIP>
> > Back before WWII, when Hitler was
> > beginning to round up Jews to kill, Stalin was doing the same thing to
> > Anarchists, (the very people who fought to put him in power instead of the
> > Dzar). Stalin committed such acts of political genocide, because the
> > anarchists would never bow down and worship him as supreme ruler, even
> > though they had put him on that throne. He coined the term "political
> > correctness" as an excuse for this senseless murder.
>
> I'm not sure that I'm operating under Stalin's definition. (Did he
> speak English?) I'm using it in the usual way that it is used in North
> America in the early 21st century. That would be doing what is the
> most politically expedient thing to do whether or not it is morally,
> ethically, or even logically right.
And of course ol' uncle Joe's definition was "correctly agreeing with my policy to
shoot everyone I don't like" >_<
Sorry 4 being bitter; might come from living in a building built on graves of
Stalinist victims (they're all over the area around here and no-one knows for sure
where each body's buried, but they did dig up a few while laying the
foundations...)
--
Beth Winter
The Discworld Compendium <http://go.to/thediscworldcompendium>
"To absent friends, lost loves, old gods and the season of mists."
-- Neil Gaiman
Richard Blaber
(he's anti-mudbloods and -Muggleborns, and looks down on the pureblood
Weasleys because they're poor). He is only concerned that Draco should
appear to like Harry on prudential grounds - of political expediency, rather
than correctness. In reality, he hates Harry - he's a death-eater, and one
of Voldemort's inner circle (CoS, GoF).
Yours, Richard Blaber.
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Karen
<ren...@astercity.net> wrote:
That doesn't sound very pleasant at all. PC as used in the States
doesn't mean shooting people you disagree with. Thank goodness.
Karen
<ric...@blaber.fsworld.co.uk> wrote:
> Lucius is anything but politically correct - he's a racist and classist
> (he's anti-mudbloods and -Muggleborns, and looks down on the pureblood
> Weasleys because they're poor). He is only concerned that Draco should
> appear to like Harry on prudential grounds - of political expediency, rather
> than correctness. In reality, he hates Harry - he's a death-eater, and one
> of Voldemort's inner circle (CoS, GoF).
>
> Yours, Richard Blaber.
Uh, that is what I mean by PC. Being called PC is not a compliment.
It means that the only thing correct about ones public statements and
behavior is that it looks good on the surface, but underneath the PC
person is a lying political opportunist who doesn't really give a domn
about the people he claims to care for. Lucious donating to charities
and encouraging Draco to get along with Harry are perfect examples of
behaviors done becouse they look good. Lucious doesn't give a domn
about the people he donats money to and he doesn't care whether Drace
really likes Harry, just that it looks good for Draco to appear to like
him.
Kim Rooimans
Karen <Ka...@infobreak.net> schreef in berichtnieuws
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> In article <u38e8h9...@corp.supernews.com>, Ashford Wyrd
> <a_w...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Lucious seems to be the Politically Correct type
> > > who insists that Draco get along with Harry because it is the Right
> > > thing to do, not the friendly thing to do. Donations to charities is
> > > another indicator of his efforts at Political Correctness.
> >
> > ERRRMMMM.... I agree that Lucious is being PC, but I disagree that PC is
> > concerned at ALL with what is right or wrong. It is only concerned with
what
> > appears expedient to the present situation.
>
> That's right.
> >
> > Perhaps you need a history lesson.
>
> I'm always in need of history lessons, seeing that I've only
> experienced less than half a century firsthand.
>
> > Back before WWII, when Hitler was
> > beginning to round up Jews to kill, Stalin was doing the same thing to
> > Anarchists, (the very people who fought to put him in power instead of
the
> > Dzar). Stalin committed such acts of political genocide, because the
It's Tsar or Czar not Dzar
Stalin was just a jerk.