Aunt Petunia Knows
Dave M
take Dudley to the zoo. Aunt Petunia says that she doesn't want to come home
to find the house destroyed. On my first reading I assumed that this was meant
in the way my mother would have meant it :-). But I'm quite sure now that Aunt
Petunia knows about what really happened in Godric's Hollow, and that the
Dursley's presence is imperative to Harry's safety.
Melissa Houle
I think she and Uncle Vernon probably DO know the truth about what happened
to
Harry's parents, as Dumbledore would have put that in his letter to them,
believing that they'd tell Harry when they thought he was old enough.
Unfortunately, Dumbledore was sadly mistaken in his (generous) estimation of
the Dursley's characters, as they lied to him about their dying in a car
crash
for the first 11 years of Harry's life.
You do bring up an interesting point about Petunia, though. I read "come
back to find the house in ruins" the same way you did, or at least I read it
to mean that Petunia thought Harry would work some weird magical mischief
that
she'd have to clean up while they were gone. For a woman who knows their
presence is essential to Harry's safety, she certainly doesn't care much
about
his well being, though.
I have a theory; Much as she dislikes Harry and would like to have him off
her hands, she knows from Dumbledore's letter that deserting Harry and
putting
him in an orphanage would be tantamount to murdering him. As unpleasant as
Petunia is, and however bad her relationship with Lily might have been, she
can't QUITE bring herself to turn her back completely on her sister's only
child. So...the Dursley's continue to shelter Harry but they make his life
hell in return.
Melissa
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And she does know the neighbor is a witch and only is anti-magic
to protect Harry?
Hm...
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Snuffybear38
But if that were true, Harry would never have been allowed to go to school
(unless Dudley is somehow part of the magic) Anyway, I can't see Aunt Petunia
would have cared one way or the other if Harry were killed.
Marion
Jim
Kent
Well, even if all this isn't true, Petunia would remember the weird
stuff that no-doubt happened with her sister Lily while growing up and
worried that Harry would cause the same type of 'trouble' without them
there to look out for it.
K
Another Karen
Plato
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Jim
gjw
wrote:
Perhaps, but I don't think so. Note Harry's reaction to her:
Aunt Petunia looked as though she'd just swallowed a lemon.
"And come back and find the house in ruins?" she snarled.
"I won't blow up the house," said Harry, but they weren't
listening.
Obviously, he thought she meant that he would "destroy" the house,
either magically or just through normal kids' mischief. And I suppose
that's what the author meant as well.
Gary
EdwAllOls
Of course the Dursley's know what really happened. Remember that Dumbledore
left a letter with the baby Harry on their doorstep explaining "everything."
Joseph Romagnano
gjw wrote:
Aunt Petunia ignoring Harry's back-talk could be seen as a hint.
Joe :-)>
JD
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That's if they read it. The Dursley's are very anti-magic...so I'm gonna
take them at face value and not read too much into them. I think Dumbledore
sent Harry back to the Dursley's to get away from it all. He just saw a
schoolmate die and fought Voldermort, so I nice break is probably needed for
Harry. Also, the cat lady (a witch I believe) that Harry had to go to while
the Dursley's were away (her name starts with an 'A', but can't remember
right now what her name is...), I think is mentioned in book 4 by
Dumbledore, so that's his protection in that area...
JD
Oliver Gassner
>Obviously, he thought she meant that he would "destroy" the house,
>either magically or just through normal kids' mischief. And I suppose
>that's what the author meant as well.
The last house that was in ruins after Harry was 'alone' was
Godric'S Hollow...
Jonathan Buzzard
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> After reading the third book, and all the talk about a secret keeper it =
> sound more like the secret keeper spell was placed on the Dursley's =
> house. As Dumbledore said in book four after finding out that Voldemort =
> took a few drops of Harry's blood, Dumbledore says "Voldemort has =
> overcome that particular barrier." The Dursley's know all about Godric's =
> Hollow, as Hagrid is trying to tell Harry about it in book one, chapter =
> four, page 50 US version.
>
Dumbledore has not placed a Fidius charm on Harrys location. For starters
in book two Ron and the twins find it easily in book two, Sirius is at
least in the vacinity in book three and at the beginning of book four
Mrs. Weasley sends Harry a letter through the normal muggle post, and Mr.
Weasley has the Duddleys chimney connected to the Flu network.
It is not a Fidius Charm, it is self evident to anyone who opens their
eyes that it cannot possibly be a Fidius charm as far to many people know
exactly where the Dursleys live.
It is something altogether different. My guess reading between the lines is
that the charm/spell Dumbledore used when he left Harry at the Dursley's
provides protection for Harry when he is under the care of a blood relative,
i.e. Aunt Pertunia. Further Mrs. Figg is there not to look out for Harry,
but to protect the Dursley's. A possible Voldermort attack would be to
kill the Dursley's breaking Dumbledores charm/spell and then the path to
Harry would be clear. This means the Dursleys need protection.
JAB.
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ace
> I'm quite sure now that Aunt
> Petunia knows about what really happened in Godric's Hollow
Has anyone noticed that Godric's Hollow (Potter residence) could easily
be named after Godric Gryffindor? Might be another hint about the house
Harry's parents were in...
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Sagebrush
living in Godric's Hollow, my take is that James is probably
the "Heir of Gryffindor" which may be why Voldemort was
after him and Harry and not Lilly.
Sagebrush
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:
: That's if they read it. The Dursley's are very
anti-magic...so I'm gonna
: take them at face value and not read too much into them.
I think Dumbledore
: sent Harry back to the Dursley's to get away from it all.
He just saw a
: schoolmate die and fought Voldermort, so I nice break is
probably needed for
: Harry. Also, the cat lady (a witch I believe) that Harry
had to go to while
: the Dursley's were away (her name starts with an 'A', but
can't remember
: right now what her name is...), I think is mentioned in
book 4 by
: Dumbledore, so that's his protection in that area...
:
: JD
I think Dumbledore sent Harry back to the Dursley's because
he is safe there. As for having a "nice break" Harry, I'm
sure, would rather be at the Weasleys but, for whatever
reason, that is not a safe place for him.
Sagebrush
Lisa Hicks
Sagebrush wrote:
>
> Both of Harry's parents were in Gryffindor. As for them
> living in Godric's Hollow, my take is that James is probably
> the "Heir of Gryffindor" which may be why Voldemort was
> after him and Harry and not Lilly.
>
> Sagebrush
I maintain that James's house is not yet confirmed. But I'm stubborn
like that. ;-)
Lisa
Jonathan Ellis
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House, but are NOT actual blood heirs of Godric Gryffindor - as this
would, I believe, reduce the whole Harry/Voldemort thing to a
thousand-year-old blood feud, and weaken rather than reinforce the point
that I think JKR is trying to make - that it's what you *do* and what
you *choose* that counts, not anything your ancestors might have done
and been.
(And yes, I think it's possible that the Potters *might* be blood
descendants of Salazar Slytherin in some way that has yet to be
revealed, that Dumbledore either does not know or is not telling: it's
more likely IMHO than being blood descendants of Gryffindor. And it
might explain some of Hagrid's early comments about Voldemort having
tried to win the Potters over to *his* side first: something that he
surely wouldn't have seen much of a point in trying, if they were
descended from Gryffindor, given Voldemort's own beliefs about the
importance of ancestry.)
Jonathan.
Helena Bowles
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have him off
> her hands, she knows from Dumbledore's letter that deserting Harry and
> putting
> him in an orphanage would be tantamount to murdering him. As unpleasant
as
> Petunia is, and however bad her relationship with Lily might have been,
she
> can't QUITE bring herself to turn her back completely on her sister's only
> child. So...the Dursley's continue to shelter Harry but they make his
life
> hell in return.
Now, *this* makes an awful lot of sense. Gives the Dursleys a
(slightly) redeeming trait as well as a real motivation to take him in
(which I've always wondered about). "Look after your nephew or he will be
foully murdered. His only safety lies with you." is a little different to:
"Here's your nephew. Please care for him." Possibly a little more
persuasive...
HELENA
JoYfu...@webtv.net
>And she does know the neighbor is a
>witch and only is anti-magic to protect
>Harry?
I seriously doubt either of these things are true. I think that if
they knew that mrs Figg was witch, then they would never have let him go
to her house for fear of her tellng him the truth and teaching him
things.
Remember- the Dursleys hate witches and wizards. More Petunia than
Vernon.
My theory for why is because Petunia's parents were very excited and
proud to have a witch as a daughter (Lily). They always talked about and
praised Lily, and petunia felt like they loved Lily more than
her...causing a resentment in Petunia towards all magical people.
Why Vernon hates them is beyond me. Maybe it's through asociation-
since his wife hates them, that means he has to as well. So, I doubt
either of them ever gave much thought to protecting Harry.
my 2 sickles...
karin
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think he enjoyed it. It wasn't very fun for me, though. The fur kind of
stuck to my tongue." - Steve Martin
JoYfu...@webtv.net
>But I'm quite sure now that Aunt Petunia
>knows about what really happened in
>Godric's Hollow,
Of course she does. Dumbledore left a note with Harry when he left
him on the Dursley's doorstep. The Dursleys were supposed to show it to
Harry before he turned 11, and tell him all about his mother and father
etc. They (Dursleys)knew he was a wizard, and that his parents were both
magical as well.
That's why they were always so horrible to him. Even before he went to
Hogwarts.
JoYfu...@webtv.net
>Harry's Dad was a wizard and his Mom
>was a muggle witch? Just the opposite
>of Voldemort. I know that some muggle's
>can be witches or wizards,
Well, sort of. Your terminology is a bit off here. James Potter was
indeed a pureblood wizard. However, Lily(Evans) Potter was muggle-born,
and therefore she was a *whisper* mudblood. I know it's a foul term, but
it's hard to explain any other way.
Anyhow, one cannot be a muggle and a witch/wizard at the same time,
because a muggle is a non-magical human and a witch/wizard is just the
opposite.
I think some of the people here made up a few PC terms for mudblood,
since it is an offensive term.
I just say mudblood in a non-offensive way. Kinda the way black people
these days have embraced the word nigger. If a black person calls
another black person a nigger, it's kind of another way of saying
brother.
And the way that homosexuals have embraced the pink triangle, originally
used during the holocaust by the nazis as a way of labeling them. Now we
use it as a symbol of pride.
Anyhow, I digress, I use the term mudblood because I am a muggle-born
witch. Neither of my arents have a lick of magic in them. Poor things.
Sorry for the rant.
tossing in my 2 sickles...
gjw
<jrd...@charter.net> wrote:
>Aunt Petunia ignoring Harry's back-talk could be seen as a hint.
Or just them ignoring him again while trying to figure out what to do.
gjw
wrote:
>The last house that was in ruins after Harry was 'alone' was
>Godric'S Hollow...
Obviously. But that doesn't mean every reference to Harry wrecking a
house is a reference to Voldemort.
gjw
<sagebr...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>I think Dumbledore sent Harry back to the Dursley's because
>he is safe there. As for having a "nice break" Harry, I'm
>sure, would rather be at the Weasleys but, for whatever
>reason, that is not a safe place for him.
I suspect the reason he keeps going back to the Dursleys is because
Rowling realizes that Harry's continuing conflict with the Dursleys is
an integral and entertaining part of the story - just like the
Quidditch matches, the sorting ceremonies, the visits to Diagon Ally
and the other things that happen in virtually every HP book. That sort
of cozy repetition of events is part of what makes people (especially
kids) comfortable with the books. It wouldn't be quite the same
without the Dursleys (and Harry's inadvertent torturing of them). They
are an important "comic relief" element to the stories. So even though
it's unlikely that a "real" Harry would ever set foot on Privit Drive
again, our Harry us likely to keep going back there every year.
However, I suspect that Rowling will probably have to come up with
some explanation as to why he keeps going back there. She's already
mentioned that he's safe at the Dursley's so she has something in
mind. Most likely a protection spell by Dumbledore that we haven't
heard about yet. But we will. One of the good things about writing a
book is that you can (at least to some extent) make up the rules as
you go along...
Joseph Romagnano
gjw wrote:
Yes, but they hardly take any guff whatsoever from Harry.
Joe :-)>
O'Karen
<jrd...@charter.net> wrote:
Actually, he talks a lot for a kid that is routinely ignored.
O'Karen
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O'Karen
wrote:
Petunia is worried about the house being destroyed, not Harry, just as
Gary states.
If she was worried about Harry, she wouldn't allow him to play outside
of the house unsupervised and get chased all over the neighborhood or
go to school. She just doesn't want to leave him alone in the house.
Can't leave him outside all day when they aren't home or someone might
call the authorities. Yep, she's worried more about what Harry would
do to her house than what might happen to Harry.
Jaak Suurpere
>it's unlikely that a "real" Harry would ever set foot on Privit Drive
>again, our Harry us likely to keep going back there every year.
>
get the permission to stay (probably).
Harry has the Weasleys. But Albus is trying hard to prevent the Weasleys
from
just taking Harry. Would the "real" Weasleys defy Albus outright?
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mattered for Voldemort?
Winning over the Heir of Gryffindor (whether Heir by descent or Heir by
spirit) would be the most appropriate way to settle the Gryffindor/Slytherin
dispute. That's what Slytherin had been trying to do for the years he
cooperated with the other Founders: convince them that he is right.
Jonathan Ellis
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> I just say mudblood in a non-offensive way. Kinda the way black
people
these days have embraced the word nigger. If a black person calls
another black person a nigger, it's kind of another way of saying
brother.
Mudbloodz Wiv Attitood... :-)
Jonathan.
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> Why Vernon hates them is beyond me. Maybe it's through asociation-
> since his wife hates them, that means he has to as well. So, I doubt
> either of them ever gave much thought to protecting Harry.
I think Vernon just doesn't like anything that disrupts his view of order.
Witness the way he reacts to all the wizards on the streets in HP1. The way
I read it, he's mystified and upset by it until he overhears the Potter
name. Then, of course, he's even more worried that it might have something
to do with his in-laws.
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Joseph Romagnano
O'Karen wrote:
> In article <3ACD3291...@charter.net>, Joseph Romagnano
> <jrd...@charter.net> wrote:
>
> > gjw wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, 05 Apr 2001 01:26:20 -0400, Joseph Romagnano
> > > <jrd...@charter.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > >Aunt Petunia ignoring Harry's back-talk could be seen as a hint.
> > >
> > > Or just them ignoring him again while trying to figure out what to do.
> >
> > Yes, but they hardly take any guff whatsoever from Harry.
> >
> Actually, he talks a lot for a kid that is routinely ignored.
>
> O'Karen
>
Oh yes, Harry talks quite alot. Muttering under his breath and so on. Yet
out-loud straight back-talk I can hardly picture as being ignored. Of
course, none of us has quoted any text so we could all be blowing smoke ;-)>
Joe :-)>
RCLOVELY
>from
>just taking Harry.
The Weasleys won't do that. In the GoF chapter titled The Beginning, Ron tells
Harry Mrs. Weasley asked Dumbledore if Harry could come straight home with
them. Dumbeldore wanted Harry to go to the Dursley's for a while. When Harry
askes
Ron why, he says his mother told him Dumbledore has his reasons. I think there
are powerful charms there that protect Harry. He has to get his "vacination"so
to speak.
RC
Davias
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> <JoYfu...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> > Why Vernon hates them is beyond me. Maybe it's through asociation-
> > since his wife hates them, that means he has to as well. So, I doubt
> > either of them ever gave much thought to protecting Harry.
>
>
> I think Vernon just doesn't like anything that disrupts his view of order.
> Witness the way he reacts to all the wizards on the streets in HP1. The
way
> I read it, he's mystified and upset by it until he overhears the Potter
> name. Then, of course, he's even more worried that it might have something
> to do with his in-laws.
> --
Yeah - he doesn't know anything about them, and just hates them for being
different. In short, he is a bigot. He dislikes any knid of change or
disruption.
Davias
gjw
> Why Vernon hates them is beyond me. Maybe it's through asociation-
>since his wife hates them, that means he has to as well. So, I doubt
>either of them ever gave much thought to protecting Harry.
He is a very conservative, irritable man, very concerned with
appearances, and he doesn't approve of anything out of the normal.
It's all there in the first chapter of the first book:
"Mr. and Mrs. Dursley, of number four, Privet Drive, were proud to say
that they were perfectly normal, thank you very much. They were the
last people you'd expect to be involved in anything strange or
mysterious, because they just didn't hold with such nonsense."
"They didn't think they could bear it if anyone found out about the
Potters."
"The Dursleys shuddered to think what the neighbors would say if the
Potters arrived in the street."
"The Potters knew very well what he and Petunia thought about them and
their kind."
"People in cloaks. Mr. Dursley couldn't bear people who dressed in
funny clothes -- the getups you saw on young people! He supposed this
was some stupid new fashion. He drummed his fingers on the steering
wheel and his eyes fell on a huddle of these weirdos standing quite
close by. They were whispering excitedly together. Mr. Dursley was
enraged to see that a couple of them weren't young at all; why, that
man had to be older than he was, and wearing an emerald-green cloak!
The nerve of him!"
Obviously, the very thought of "different" people aggravates him.
Harry Lund
.
.
.
In article <3ad0b7b2...@news.earthlink.net>, gjw <g...@loop.com>
writes
[snip]
>However, I suspect that Rowling will probably have to come up with
>some explanation as to why he keeps going back there. She's already
>mentioned that he's safe at the Dursley's so she has something in
>mind. Most likely a protection spell by Dumbledore that we haven't
>heard about yet. But we will. One of the good things about writing a
>book is that you can (at least to some extent) make up the rules as
>you go along...
>
But we have heard. Voldemort says in GoF that Dumbledore has invoked an
ancient magic to protect Harry.
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Cambridge, UK
JoYfu...@webtv.net
>Mudbloodz Wiv Attitood... :-)
LOL!
I just love sitting here in my livingroom, reading posts, and all of a
sudden something like this comes up! Makes me laugh my ass off, and my
kitties look at me like I'm crazy. :D
karin
Klaus Winkler
>Dave M <Da...@NoPlace.Like.Home> wrote:
>
>> I'm quite sure now that Aunt
>> Petunia knows about what really happened in Godric's Hollow
>
>Has anyone noticed that Godric's Hollow (Potter residence) could easily
>be named after Godric Gryffindor? Might be another hint about the house
>Harry's parents were in...
<sarcasm>
Wow, a whole new thought
</sarcasm>
In other words yes.
Regards
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Charlie
gjw wrote in message <3ad00f20...@news.earthlink.net>...
>On Thu, 5 Apr 2001 20:51:22 -0400 (EDT), JoYfu...@webtv.net wrote:
>
>> Why Vernon hates them is beyond me.
[snip quotes from HP1 re Vernon's 'normality' and reaction to the wizards
out and about on the streets]
>Obviously, the very thought of "different" people aggravates him.
And quite possibly frightens him a little. Fear of the unknown (he has
heard all about the wizards etc, but he actually *knows* very little about
them) can often breed a defensive attitude towards it. In Vernon's case he
is irritated by wizardry because he doesn't understand it. IMO, of
course...
Hatter
Charlie
O'Karen wrote in message <060420010019594598%Ka...@infobreak.net>...
Besides which, Harry is at this point only ten years old. In the UK it
would be illegal to leave him in the house on his own and anyone finding him
there would be within his/her right to call the authorities. Petunia
certainly doesn't want that happening in her suburban world!
Hatter
Charlie
O'Karen wrote in message <060420010016261724%Ka...@infobreak.net>...
>In article <3ACD3291...@charter.net>, Joseph Romagnano
><jrd...@charter.net> wrote:
>
>> gjw wrote:
>>
>> > On Thu, 05 Apr 2001 01:26:20 -0400, Joseph Romagnano
>> > <jrd...@charter.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > >Aunt Petunia ignoring Harry's back-talk could be seen as a hint.
>> >
>> > Or just them ignoring him again while trying to figure out what to do.
>>
>> Yes, but they hardly take any guff whatsoever from Harry.
>>
>Actually, he talks a lot for a kid that is routinely ignored.
<puts on psychologist's hat> Ah, but that's just a subconscious plea for
attention </poph>
(Psychologist's) Hatter
gjw
wrote:
>>Obviously, the very thought of "different" people aggravates him.
>
>
>And quite possibly frightens him a little. Fear of the unknown (he has
>heard all about the wizards etc, but he actually *knows* very little about
>them) can often breed a defensive attitude towards it.
Precisely.
> In Vernon's case he is irritated by wizardry because he doesn't understand it.
And probably doesn't want to.
gjw
wrote:
>Spoiler (possibly).
>
>
>.
>
>.
>
>.
>
>In article <3ad0b7b2...@news.earthlink.net>, gjw <g...@loop.com>
>writes
>
>[snip]
>
>>However, I suspect that Rowling will probably have to come up with
>>some explanation as to why he keeps going back there. She's already
>>mentioned that he's safe at the Dursley's so she has something in
>>mind. Most likely a protection spell by Dumbledore that we haven't
>>heard about yet.
>
>
>But we have heard. Voldemort says in GoF that Dumbledore has invoked an
>ancient magic to protect Harry.
Of course, that was what I was referring to when I said "she's already
mentioned that he's safe..." But that's a very brief, vague mention
of the fact. I'm sure she'll eventually provide a more elaborate
explanation of just how (and why) this protection works with the
Dursleys.
Charlie
Lisa Hicks wrote in message <3ACC835F...@midway.uchicago.edu>...
>
>
>Sagebrush wrote:
>>
>> Both of Harry's parents were in Gryffindor.
>
>like that. ;-)
I agree. AFAIAA Lily was in Gryffindor (JKR said so in an interview) but we
have been told absolutely nothing whatsoever about James.
Hatter
Jim Gillogly
Here's a chunk from the Scholastic interview posted by Angela Bender on
18 Oct 2000:
<ASKScholastic> guest-EZGuest735 says: What position did James play on the
Gryffindor Quidditch team? Was it seeker like Harry, or something different?
<JK_Rowling> James was Chaser
If James weren't in Gryffindor, wouldn't she have said "I haven't said
what House he's in, but he played Chaser on his team." or something to
that effect? I get the impression that when she's actually trying to
hide something she doesn't mislead us about whether she's hiding it.
I used to be a fan of the theory that said James and his buddies were
all Slytherins because of Hagrid's observation about all evil wizards
being Slytherins coupled with the fact that people seldom have best
friends (other than romantic interests) outside their own Houses.
However, this exchange pushed me over the edge into the Gryffindor
camp.
--
Jim Gillogly
17 Astron S.R. 2001, 23:10
12.19.8.2.3, 4 Akbal 1 Pop, Seventh Lord of Night
O'Karen
<n...@ynys.fslife.co.uk> wrote:
Rowling for President! She ducked that question like a professional
politician. She did it so well that many didn't even see the duck!
okaren
O'Karen
wrote:
> Here's a chunk from the Scholastic interview posted by Angela Bender on
> 18 Oct 2000:
>
> <ASKScholastic> guest-EZGuest735 says: What position did James play on the
> Gryffindor Quidditch team? Was it seeker like Harry, or something different?
>
> <JK_Rowling> James was Chaser
>
> If James weren't in Gryffindor, wouldn't she have said "I haven't said
> what House he's in, but he played Chaser on his team." or something to
> that effect?
She didn't want us to know at this time. She didn't want us to even
start speculating about it. She'd like for us to assume he's a
Gryffindor. There are hints that James is in Gryfindor, but nothing
absolute. She wants it to be a surprise for us as well as Harry. By
pointing out that she hasn't told us, it would make too obvious the
fact that she hasn't told us. She didn't lie, she just didn't give
away any more information than was necessary to answer the question.
I get the impression that when she's actually trying to
> hide something she doesn't mislead us about whether she's hiding it.
She actually tells us when she is hiding something? Sometimes she's
mysterious on purpose, but sometimes, it works better not to be
mysterious and she knows that, too. She's very good at timing the
release of information and as time goes by, she's gotten much better at
controlling the information released during interviews. She usually
does say something new in every chat, but it is usually something
inconsequential. Even announcing the name of the fifth book tells us
nothing about what's in the book that would be a surprise.
Karen
Morrighan
<klausw...@foni.net> writes
>On Thu, 5 Apr 2001 13:10:49 +0200, a...@xs4all.nl (ace) wrote:
>
>>Dave M <Da...@NoPlace.Like.Home> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm quite sure now that Aunt
>>> Petunia knows about what really happened in Godric's Hollow
>>
>>Has anyone noticed that Godric's Hollow (Potter residence) could easily
>>be named after Godric Gryffindor? Might be another hint about the house
>>Harry's parents were in...
>
><sarcasm>
>Wow, a whole new thought
></sarcasm>
>
>In other words yes.
>Regards
>Klaus Winkler
The Geography thing adds up. They lived in Godric's Hollow - possible
Gryffindor connection - which P/SS informs us is somewhere (probably) SW
of Bristol as Hagrid flies over it to get to Privet Drive in Surrey.
Now, the Sorting Hat's song in GoF tells us that Gryffindor came from
'wild moor', so presumably Godric's Hollow is somewhere near Exmoor,
Dartmoor or Bodmin Moor.
Oh well. It sounded intelligent when I first thought it out.
--
Morrighan
miriam
> >>> I'm quite sure now that Aunt
> >>> Petunia knows about what really happened in Godric's Hollow
> >>
> >>Has anyone noticed that Godric's Hollow (Potter residence) could easily
> >>be named after Godric Gryffindor? Might be another hint about the house
> >>Harry's parents were in...
> >
> ><sarcasm>
> >Wow, a whole new thought
> ></sarcasm>
>
> The Geography thing adds up. They lived in Godric's Hollow - possible
> Gryffindor connection - which P/SS informs us is somewhere (probably) SW
> of Bristol as Hagrid flies over it to get to Privet Drive in Surrey.
> Now, the Sorting Hat's song in GoF tells us that Gryffindor came from
> 'wild moor', so presumably Godric's Hollow is somewhere near Exmoor,
> Dartmoor or Bodmin Moor.
>
> Oh well. It sounded intelligent when I first thought it out.
I'd go with Bodmin moor, or somewhere in cornwall, given its connections
to Merlin, and the magic in general. It would also explain why Harry had
never visited the place - it would be quite a long way to go from
Hogwarts if you couldn't apparate, and neither the Weasley's nor the
Dursleys would be that near to get there by traditional means. I wonder
if this summer they'll take a broomstick holiday in cornwall? (they
being the 3 musketeers, remembering my cycling holidays at that age)
And the landscape would lend itself to hiding.
Another thought. Where did they capture Sirius? because if it was on the
south coast (eg Plymouth) it would have been fairly easy for Pettigrew
to have boarded a vessel heading for the Adriatic on manoeuvres.
Miriam
RCLOVELY
Miriam, this sounds absolutely nutty, but was there a gas explosion or some
other kind of natural disaster in England about 1987? If there was, this might
give you a location.
I know there was something like a hurricane about that time. My friend was
visiting her family in Kingsone-upon-Thames and when we didn't hear from her
right away we were really worried.
RC
miriam
The south of england was wrecked by a hurricane in the autumn of 87. I
suppose it could be the last wind we got of Voldemort.
Hmm, not sure how I'd find out about Gas explosion. There's been a few
chemical works explosions in the last decade, but nothing like that.
Miriam
Joseph Romagnano
miriam wrote:
Actually, given the calculations of Harry's age, the gas explosion should have taken
place in either 79, 80, or 81. I lean towards the 79 theory (11 years old in 1992
which is when JKR started writing PS).
Joe :-)>
Robotech_Master
> Actually, given the calculations of Harry's age, the gas explosion
> should have taken place in either 79, 80, or 81. I lean towards the
> 79 theory (11 years old in 1992 which is when JKR started writing
> PS).
No, he was 11 in 1991 (Sorcerer|Philosopher's Stone). 1992 was his
second year (Chamber of Secrets--500th Anniversary of N.H. Nick's
death in 1492). And since it all happened when he was about 1 year
old, and then lived with the Dursleys for 10 years, going to school in
1991, that would place the event in the summer of 1981.
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day after the Potters were murdered on Halloween 1981]
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Chris Share
I don't think so... I was 10 in 1992, born in 82. If harry was 11 in 92,
he was born in 81, so would have been 1 year old in 83.. and we're told
it happened on Halloween IIRC. So the gas explosion - which we're told
in PoA is the day after the potters die - would have been on the 1st
Nov, 1982.
chris
Joseph Romagnano
Robotech_Master wrote:
If PS came out in 1997, subtract 5 years (how long JK took to write PS) you get
1992, subtract 11 years you get 1981. Thus Harry, needs to be 11 in 1992, not 12.
Joe :-)>
Robotech_Master
> If PS came out in 1997, subtract 5 years (how long JK took to write
> PS) you get 1992, subtract 11 years you get 1981. Thus Harry, needs
> to be 11 in 1992, not 12.
Uhhhmmm...no. You didn't read what I wrote.
From Sorcerer's Stone:
| Monday. This reminded Harry of something. If it was Monday -- and
| you could usually count on Dudley to know the days the week, because
| of television -- then tomorrow, Tuesday, was Harry's eleventh
^^^^^^^^
| birthday. Of course, his birthdays were never exactly fun -- last
| year, the Dursleys had given him a coat hanger and a pair of Uncle
| Vernon's old socks. Still, you weren't eleven every day.
From Chamber of Secrets:
| The Dursleys hadn't even remembered that today happened to be
| Harry's twelfth birthday. Of course, his hopes hadn't been high;
| they'd never given him a real present, let alone a cake - but to
| ignore it completely...
and, during Nearly-Headless Nick's 500th Deathday party:
| and, in pride of place, an enormous gray cake in the shape of a
| tombstone, with tar-like icing forming the words, Sir Nicholas de
| Mimsy-Porpington died 31st October, 1492.
^^^^
1492 + 500 is 1992. It doesn't matter when what book came out, that
doesn't change the years as given in the books. Harry is 11 in 1991,
12 in 1992.
Jonathan Buzzard
robo...@eyrie.org (Robotech_Master) writes:
> On Wed, 11 Apr 2001 13:45:09 -0400, Joseph Romagnano <jrd...@charter.net> wrote:
>
>> Actually, given the calculations of Harry's age, the gas explosion
>> should have taken place in either 79, 80, or 81. I lean towards the
>> 79 theory (11 years old in 1992 which is when JKR started writing
>> PS).
>
> No, he was 11 in 1991 (Sorcerer|Philosopher's Stone). 1992 was his
> second year (Chamber of Secrets--500th Anniversary of N.H. Nick's
> death in 1492). And since it all happened when he was about 1 year
> old, and then lived with the Dursleys for 10 years, going to school in
> 1991, that would place the event in the summer of 1981.
This is all highly debatable, as whatever reference you use, there is
another reference somewhere that disproves it. Personally I go for the
11th birthday in 1990 as that is the first trackable down reference to
the date. Based on Harry's 11th birthday being on Tuesday 31st July.
I would point out for the Deathday party, in book one, nearly headless
Nick says that he has not been able to eat for nearly four hundred years,
but one year later it's his 500'th Deathday.
Then again, the first date identified in the books is Tuesday 1st November
on the day after Voldermort fell. From the first page of the book
When Mr. and Mrs. Dursley woke up on the dull, gray Tuesday our story
starts, there was nothing about the cloudy sky outside to suggest that
strange and mysterious things would soon be happening all over the
country.
In the end I would like to see corrected editions of all the books to
bring all the dates into line.
JAB.
--
Jonathan A. Buzzard Email: jona...@buzzard.org.uk
Northumberland, United Kingdom. Tel: +44(0)1661-832195
Jonathan Buzzard
Actually the explosion would take place on November 2nd, of some year
in the early 1980's which can't be identified precisely.
Joseph Romagnano
Robotech_Master wrote:
It's not as precise as either one of us would like to think, really it boils down
to personal opinion since we both have valid calculations.
Joe :-)>
Jonathan Buzzard
Chris Share <chris...@newscientist.net> writes:
[SNIP]
>
> I don't think so... I was 10 in 1992, born in 82. If harry was 11 in 92,
> he was born in 81, so would have been 1 year old in 83.. and we're told
> it happened on Halloween IIRC. So the gas explosion - which we're told
> in PoA is the day after the potters die - would have been on the 1st
> Nov, 1982.
>
Actually the explosion would be on the 2nd. Voldermort goes to Godric Hollow
on the 31st, the next day Hagrid and Sirius turn up, and the following day
Sirius tracks Peter down.
Jaak Suurpere
=====
>In article <MPG.153ef3f32...@news.cis.dfn.de>,
> Chris Share <chris...@newscientist.net> writes:
>
>[SNIP]
>
>>
>> I don't think so... I was 10 in 1992, born in 82. If harry was 11 in 92,
>> he was born in 81, so would have been 1 year old in 83.. and we're told
>> it happened on Halloween IIRC. So the gas explosion - which we're told
>> in PoA is the day after the potters die - would have been on the 1st
>> Nov, 1982.
>>
>
>Actually the explosion would be on the 2nd. Voldermort goes to Godric Hollow
>on the 31st, the next day Hagrid and Sirius turn up, and the following day
>Sirius tracks Peter down.
>
Sirius
turned up before dawn.
Hagris said that Sirius had to flee that night as he'd be hunted within
hours.
Sirius was caught "the next day", that is, on the 1st.
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Jaak Suurpere <jaa...@MailAndNews.com> writes:
>>===== Original Message From jona...@happy.buzzard.org.uk (Jonathan Buzzard)
> =====
>>In article <MPG.153ef3f32...@news.cis.dfn.de>,
>> Chris Share <chris...@newscientist.net> writes:
>>
>>[SNIP]
>>
>>>
>>> I don't think so... I was 10 in 1992, born in 82. If harry was 11 in 92,
>>> he was born in 81, so would have been 1 year old in 83.. and we're told
>>> it happened on Halloween IIRC. So the gas explosion - which we're told
>>> in PoA is the day after the potters die - would have been on the 1st
>>> Nov, 1982.
>>>
>>
>>Actually the explosion would be on the 2nd. Voldermort goes to Godric Hollow
>>on the 31st, the next day Hagrid and Sirius turn up, and the following day
>>Sirius tracks Peter down.
>>
> Voldemort's attack was on the night of 31th before the 1st. Hagrid and
> Sirius
> turned up before dawn.
> Hagris said that Sirius had to flee that night as he'd be hunted within
> hours.
> Sirius was caught "the next day", that is, on the 1st.
Voldermort arrives on the evening of the 31st of October. Hagrid and Sirius,
arrive in the early hours of the 1st of November. The next day is therefore
the 2nd, unless my counting has gone *very* astray which doubt.
Jaak Suurpere
If the attack was "at night", was the following day "the same day" or "the
next day"?
Did Hagrid and Sirius arrive before or after midnight?
Charlie
RCLOVELY wrote in message <20010411125723...@ng-fg1.aol.com>...
>>Where did they capture Sirius? because if it was on the
>
>Miriam, this sounds absolutely nutty, but was there a gas explosion or some
>other kind of natural disaster in England about 1987? If there was, this
might
>give you a location.
Well, we had a hurricane... <g> It was in October, and affected - in the
main - the south of England.
> I know there was something like a hurricane about that time.
Whoops! I should have read on... :-\
I can't remember if there were any other goings-on at about the same time;
however it is perfectly possible that there were things that would have made
it to the local news without getting national coverage.
Hatter
Richard Eney
Charlie <n...@ynys.fslife.co.uk> wrote:
>
>RCLOVELY wrote in message <20010411125723...@ng-fg1.aol.com>...
>>>Where did they capture Sirius? because if it was on the
>>
>>Miriam, this sounds absolutely nutty, but was there a gas explosion or some
>>other kind of natural disaster in England about 1987? If there was, this
>>might give you a location.
>
>Well, we had a hurricane... <g> It was in October, and affected - in the
>main - the south of England.
Harry was born in either 1979 (HP1) or 1980 (HP2). However, IIRC (I could
be wrong) the details of the explosion etc weren't revealed until HP4, so
I'd go with the 1980 date. The explosion then would be in 1981, if there
was one.
=Tamar
Siobhan Recca
miriam <mm...@cam.ac.uk> wrote in message
news:3AD48E0C...@cam.ac.uk...
Er... I'm normally just a lurker, but you could always try old papers...
Check with the Library of Congress in the US. They've got a rep that says
they have at least one copy of every known piece of litature in human
history. I may think that's nuts, but they've got the rep and I haven't
managed to stump them no matter what I've thown at them so far. They
actually had one of the original copys of the Saxon Chronicles!
Anyways, just contact them and ask about British papers from the time period
in question. Local rags will almost invariably carry a tale if something
like a gas main burst occurs.
Now, if you'll pardon me, I need to go an purchase a new bottle of ink as
the one I was using seems to have ran dry.
--
Look not for me in bright of day
Look not in dark of night
I am but a solitary figment
Alone created of your mind.
-
Siobhan Recca
The Cybernetic Ninja
Jacqui
>
> miriam <mm...@cam.ac.uk> wrote
> > The south of england was wrecked by a hurricane in the autumn of 87. I
> > suppose it could be the last wind we got of Voldemort.
> >
> > Hmm, not sure how I'd find out about Gas explosion. There's been a few
> > chemical works explosions in the last decade, but nothing like that.
>
> Er... I'm normally just a lurker, but you could always try old papers...
>
> Check with the Library of Congress in the US. (snip)
> Anyways, just contact them and ask about British papers from the time period
> in question. Local rags will almost invariably carry a tale if something
> like a gas main burst occurs.
Or, since Miriam's [email address is] in Cambridge, in the UK, she could
just try Cambridge University Library which is a copyright library and
should have a decent stock* of newspapers itself.
*The Bodleian has all the broadsheets, but few tabloids. I don't know
what CUL holds now but it must have at least the major broadsheets,
going back umpteen years!
Jac
M.M. Moules
If I was going to try anywhere, it would be the University Library in
Cambridge, which is one of the UK copyright libraries. Plus it's
somewhat nearer, and given that I have trouble walking it's a bit more
convenient <big grin>
Miriam
Richard Eney
Siobhan Recca <ami_an...@hotmail.com> wrote:
<snip>
>
>Check with the Library of Congress in the US. They've got a rep that says
>they have at least one copy of every known piece of litature in human
>history. I may think that's nuts, but they've got the rep and I haven't
>managed to stump them no matter what I've thown at them so far. They
>actually had one of the original copys of the Saxon Chronicles!
I've stumped them, but only because it was something nobody keeps - an old
manual for an obsolete piece of machinery. The LoC gets the copy you have
to give the Copyright Office of anything you register the copyright for in
the US, but they don't handle the copyrights for books published outside
the US. In recent years I'm told they've had to weed out some of the
collection. <sniff> They've lost about 3 million books to theft over the
last 200 or so years, but that's just a tiny dent in the collection.
=Tamar
Elenagal
You might get an old manual from the company that now owns the company that once
produced the machinery. That would be my next attempt. No guarantees, but
having worked in corporate libraries with proprietary manuals....
Did anyone ever get the answer to the original question? (asks the research
librarian out of an obsessive curiousity about locations of answers)
* Elenagal *
"What we do is less than a drop in the ocean. But if that drop were missing,
the ocean would lack something" Mother Teresa
Richard Eney
Elenagal <nos...@newsranger.com> wrote:
>
>Did anyone ever get the answer to the original question? (asks the research
>librarian out of an obsessive curiousity about locations of answers)
Not exactly.
Several people posted library locations in the UK that might have the
newspapers of the era, in which someone might find a story about a gas
explosion in a year appropriate for the story. However, I think it's a
fool's errand, since it seems fairly clear that JKR changed the date of
Harry's birth between HP1 and HP2.
=Tamar