... Odd...
Pluto (M)
newsgroup threads, and there are people replying to posts that are just not
there... I am forced to assume that I'm missing entire reply posts... Does
anyone know why this might be happening? o.O
Jules Crisp
"Pluto (M)" <plu...@flash.net> wrote in message
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Just changed from Demon to BTInternet and am missing all sorts of stuff.
I've even tried other providers, such as Claranet and I'm still missing out
on stuff.
Claranet say that they are putting all the messages up, but I still seem to
be getting "random" references.
Jules
Pluto (M)
"Pluto (M)" <plu...@flash.net> wrote in message
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Addendum: I'm also missing one of my /own/ postings, even though I have a reply
to it sitting below the posting I replied to. That's freaky. This ain't happened
before o.o
Joseph Romagnano
Ahh! It's not just me! I was operating under the presumption my ISP was
flitering things or shortening residency times. Now I see this appears
to be a more universal happening. I'm still gonna call and chew them
out, however.
Joe :-)>
Joseph Romagnano
It has started happening to me as well. For instance, Chris Hortin
replied to a post of mine that I coulda sworn didn't get posted!
Joe :-)>
Lynn
>> various newsgroup threads, and there are people replying to posts
>> that are just not there... I am forced to assume that I'm missing entire
>> reply posts... Does anyone know why this might be happening?
>
>was flitering things or shortening residency times. Now I see this
>appears to be a more universal happening. I'm still gonna call and chew
>them out, however.
I'll jump on this boat, too! I've run across a few reply posts in which I
don't remember ever seeing the initial message.
And maybe JAB can help me out on this one, as it is only his posts which do
this. When there are several messages in a thread, his will always come last.
I'll see replies to his messages and not see his until I reach the end of the
thread! All the others are in chronological order, though. I'm pretty sure it
is only his posts that are doing this, though there may be a few others I
haven't noticed yet.
Weirdness abounds.
Lynn
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Matthew Gerber
>>> This is very strange. Lately I've noticed that I've been looking at
>>> various newsgroup threads, and there are people replying to posts
>>> that are just not there... I am forced to assume that I'm missing entire
>>> reply posts... Does anyone know why this might be happening?
>>
>> Ahh! It's not just me! I was operating under the presumption my ISP
>> was flitering things or shortening residency times. Now I see this
>> appears to be a more universal happening. I'm still gonna call and chew
>> them out, however.
>
> I'll jump on this boat, too! I've run across a few reply posts in which I
> don't remember ever seeing the initial message.
We've been seeing a large (duh!) influx of postings thanks to the movie, so
the traffic has been getting pushed back. Check your newsreader settings to
see how many messages you are downloading at a time...the ones you are
missing may just be beyond your current limit (i.e. you may only download
100 messages at a time, but the missing message is another 100 away...you'd
need to download 100 more to see it)
Of course, your ISP may just purge their news servers frequently, and the
messages really are unavailable to you (Verizon purges every 2-3 days I've
noticed)...then check out Google Groups for the missing posts.
> And maybe JAB can help me out on this one, as it is only his posts which do
> this. When there are several messages in a thread, his will always come last.
> I'll see replies to his messages and not see his until I reach the end of the
> thread! All the others are in chronological order, though. I'm pretty sure
> it is only his posts that are doing this, though there may be a few others I
> haven't noticed yet.
Check out the posting times on the messages...being in Europe, it's likely
that JAB's paying by the minute for Internet access, so he composes messages
off-line, then releases all of them at once whe he gets on-line (I read
unthreaded, and invariably, new JAB messages show up WAY down in the list)
> Weirdness abounds.
But of course, no matter what explainations are given, the above statement
remains completely true! 8?)
Matt
Terry Eden
news:iXYM7.392$r96.90...@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com...
Your news-server is probably missing some of the posts. Get another one.
I use news.cis.dfn.de (sign up at www.cis.dfn.de) it's free, carries all of
the newsgroups (except binaries) and manages to filter out most of the
spam.
OTOH, you might have accidentally placed someone in your kill-file, which
is why you're not seeing all the posts. Check your programs settings
(press "F1" for help on how to do this).
Terry
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Joseph Romagnano
> Lynn wrote-
[snip]
>
> We've been seeing a large (duh!) influx of postings thanks to the movie, so
> the traffic has been getting pushed back. Check your newsreader settings to
> see how many messages you are downloading at a time...the ones you are
> missing may just be beyond your current limit (i.e. you may only download
> 100 messages at a time, but the missing message is another 100 away...you'd
> need to download 100 more to see it)
>
> Of course, your ISP may just purge their news servers frequently, and the
> messages really are unavailable to you (Verizon purges every 2-3 days I've
> noticed)...then check out Google Groups for the missing posts.
>
>
>[snip]
As a counter-point, however, I read this group everyday and routinely
download and read all of the messages, 300+ at a time. Yet, for some
reason, I'm still seeing missing messages and replies to, apparently,
non-existant posts. Also, Netscape (what I'm using to read) downloads
all of the messages and keeps them threaded for me for up to several
months so, irrespective of the server, I should see the new message in
the old thread. It's just not happening.
Joe :-)>
>
Joel Gallun
Usenet is like that. It's a "best-effort" protocol, not a "reliable"
one.
Joel
Taras Young
>
> Just changed from Demon to BTInternet and am missing all sorts of stuff.
> I've even tried other providers, such as Claranet and I'm still missing out
> on stuff.
>
BTi's news server isn't *ahem* the best around :)
Try news.cis.dfn.de - you need to register though ( http://news.cis.dfn.de/ )
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MaryBeth
"Pluto (M)" <plu...@flash.net> wrote in message
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could it be........
SATAN?
Mare <doin the 'church lady dance'> (From Saturday Night Live, for you
'furriners' <G>)
>
William Elsom
"Pluto (M)" <plu...@flash.net> wrote in message
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Well, I got *this* post AFTER I downloaded all the ones that replied to it!
Will
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Jules Crisp
"Taras Young" <ne...@ras.cx> wrote in message > BTi's news server isn't
*ahem* the best around :)
> Try news.cis.dfn.de - you need to register though (
http://news.cis.dfn.de/ )
>
>
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Tried that too and unfortunately, it didn't pick up two of my main sites
(both rat/rodent based as I have been owned by several rats for a few years
now). I've tried Claranet as well, same problem.
I used to be with Demon, but since getting the ace ADSL, I can't use Demon
anymore. :-(
Jules
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Rugrat
Yup, same here. Fortunately XNews calls up the message in Google when it's
not on the server, but it is distracting.
Rugrat
Chris Share
(jrd...@charter.net) said...
>As a counter-point, however, I read this group everyday and routinely
>download and read all of the messages, 300+ at a time. Yet, for some
>reason, I'm still seeing missing messages and replies to, apparently,
>non-existant posts. Also, Netscape (what I'm using to read) downloads
>all of the messages and keeps them threaded for me for up to several
>months so, irrespective of the server, I should see the new message in
>the old thread. It's just not happening.
>
>
>Joe :-)>
I don't have any personal experience of Netscape 6 newsreader, but I'd
guess there won't be any huge bugs since it's probably the most common
newsreader after OE(or almost). Why not get a better newsfeed? The only
messages I see replying to non-existent ones are replying to spam or
binary posts....
http://news.cis.dfn.de
Based in germany, but perfectly good for anyone in europe.
The only other thing is that some stupid news readers don't thread
properly, so any posts show up in a new one, but they aren;t that
common IIRC.
chris
Chris Share
btopenworld.com>("Jules Crisp" <jules.crisp at btopenworld.com>)
said...
Why not do what I do? I use news.cis.dfn.de for my main NGs, and the
cambridge news server for ones I read less... you could do the same
with news.cis.dfn.de and the btinternet news server.
BTW I've heard no end of complaints about BTInternet news. ISPs in the
UK are a big fat pile of shit, I haven't seen anywhere providing decent
internet access at home (compared to the US, Sweden etc)... the only
way I know to get decent access here is to live in halls at uni. And
that's only in some... a friend at birmingham gets barely 4 times modem
speed... I get 200 times modem here...
chris
Joseph Romagnano
I'm fairly certain it's my ISP/newsfeed. Everything does appear to
thread properly. For instance, when I had my problem with Chris, it
looked like he replied to himself, twice, and I wasn't there in the
middle! Not to mention that I've noticed a definite increase in random
messages. I really, really, really want my old earthlink server back.
@#$@$#@!!! Charter.
Joe :-)>
Karen
<jrd...@charter.net> wrote:
> As a counter-point, however, I read this group everyday and routinely
> download and read all of the messages, 300+ at a time.
Are you doing this several times a day? If you only downlad 300 per
day, you won't get them all. I've been checking the total on the
server every hour for several days now and during peak posting hours
(between noon and midnight EST) we are averaging 30 posts per hour.
They are coming in faster than I can download and read (still using the
slow modem, but I'm not sure that even DSL would catch me up)
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join only by reading." Tracy Mayor, Salon.com
Karen
<jrd...@charter.net> wrote:
> I'm fairly certain it's my ISP/newsfeed. Everything does appear to
> thread properly. For instance, when I had my problem with Chris, it
> looked like he replied to himself, twice, and I wasn't there in the
> middle! Not to mention that I've noticed a definite increase in random
> messages. I really, really, really want my old earthlink server back.
> @#$@$#@!!! Charter.
I think it is your newsfeed. I'm seeing lots of posts, as we'd expect,
but I'm not seeing the wierdness that you describe. Or maybe you
should download all the messages on the server.
moxie
"Joseph Romagnano" <jrd...@charter.net> wrote in message
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You 'da man! I read about 15-20 a day and feel I'm
spending waaaaaaaaaaay to much time on this group.
If you're really reading 300+ a day I applaud you!
My attention span can only take 20 of these..... :)
Moxie
Karen
<will....@btinternet.nononononospam.com> wrote:
> "Pluto (M)" <plu...@flash.net> wrote in message
> news:iXYM7.392$r96.90...@newssvr17.news.prodigy.com...
> > This is very strange. Lately I've noticed that I've been looking at
> various
> > newsgroup threads, and there are people replying to posts that are just
> not
> > there... I am forced to assume that I'm missing entire reply posts... Does
> > anyone know why this might be happening? o.O
>
>
> Well, I got *this* post AFTER I downloaded all the ones that replied to it!
>
> Will
>
Could it be possble that your newsreader was set to download the most
recent 200 messages and his was the 201st most recent message? Or did
it download in the same batch as the replies and just show up in the
wrong sequence? Do you have your preferences set to thread by
reference or time/date or something else? If you thread by reference,
the replies should always follow what they are replying to and be
indented a level deeper. OH, I just peaked at your header and see that
you use Outlook, that doesn't indent threads does it, wonder if it even
knows how to thread by reference, the only threading method that makes
sense to me.
I just loaded up outlook and checked out the preferences, there aren't
very many settings to set, my suggestion, get yourself a real
newsreader.
Joseph Romagnano
> In article <3C05D1C8...@charter.net>, Joseph Romagnano
> <jrd...@charter.net> wrote:
>
>
>>I'm fairly certain it's my ISP/newsfeed. Everything does appear to
>>thread properly. For instance, when I had my problem with Chris, it
>>looked like he replied to himself, twice, and I wasn't there in the
>>middle! Not to mention that I've noticed a definite increase in random
>>messages. I really, really, really want my old earthlink server back.
>>@#$@$#@!!! Charter.
>>
>
> I think it is your newsfeed. I'm seeing lots of posts, as we'd expect,
> but I'm not seeing the wierdness that you describe. Or maybe you
> should download all the messages on the server.
>
>
Every time I open my reader I download all of the messages available.
It only takes something like 4-5 seconds to d/l 2-300 headers. I've
since been told that they have been having some technical problems and
that they'll be changing their newssource fairly soon.
Joe :-)>
Joseph Romagnano
> In article <3C04ED9D...@charter.net>, Joseph Romagnano
> <jrd...@charter.net> wrote:
>
>
>>As a counter-point, however, I read this group everyday and routinely
>>download and read all of the messages, 300+ at a time.
>>
>
> Are you doing this several times a day? If you only downlad 300 per
> day, you won't get them all. I've been checking the total on the
> server every hour for several days now and during peak posting hours
> (between noon and midnight EST) we are averaging 30 posts per hour.
> They are coming in faster than I can download and read (still using the
> slow modem, but I'm not sure that even DSL would catch me up)
>
>
Yup. I generally come on about 2-3 times per day and clear the group
out. I do make an effort to read every message that comes through but,
of course, there are some threads that I simply don't reply to.
Joe :-)>
Joseph Romagnano
> "Joseph Romagnano" <jrd...@charter.net> wrote in message
> news:3C04ED9D...@charter.net...
[snip]
>
> You 'da man! I read about 15-20 a day and feel I'm
> spending waaaaaaaaaaay to much time on this group.
> If you're really reading 300+ a day I applaud you!
> My attention span can only take 20 of these..... :)
>
> Moxie
>
Thanks. It really doesn't take that long to read them. I don't watch
the TV that often so I have a spare hour or two a day to read them all.
Joe :-)>
Taras Young
>
> Tried that too and unfortunately, it didn't pick up two of my main sites
> (both rat/rodent based as I have been owned by several rats for a few years
> now). I've tried Claranet as well, same problem.
You can email requests to the news.cis.dfn.de team for newsgroups, for
example, I got alt.music.superfurries added a few months ago by emailing them
- they'll be happy to oblige if you really want a group.
Pluto (M)
"Karen" <Ka...@infobreak.net> wrote in message
news:291120010312546232%Ka...@infobreak.net...
> In article <3C04ED9D...@charter.net>, Joseph Romagnano
> <jrd...@charter.net> wrote:
>
> > As a counter-point, however, I read this group everyday and routinely
> > download and read all of the messages, 300+ at a time.
>
> Are you doing this several times a day? If you only downlad 300 per
> day, you won't get them all. I've been checking the total on the
> server every hour for several days now and during peak posting hours
> (between noon and midnight EST) we are averaging 30 posts per hour.
> They are coming in faster than I can download and read (still using the
> slow modem, but I'm not sure that even DSL would catch me up)
>
Actually, you get many fewer posts if you killfile the subject header '"Harry
Potter" is the work of SATAN!' ;) I found that changed my DL rate from 400+ to
200 or so when I log on in the morning :D