Is there a real Cho Chang?
Persival
Sports Night ,the best shown that no one watched).
In the episode called "Special powers" they mention a swimmer named Cho
Chang( I just caught it this time).
Is there a real swimmer named Cho Chang?
If not its quite a coincidence. I wonder if Aaron Sorkin is a Harry Potter
fan?
Aaron F. Bourque
>If not its quite a coincidence. I wonder if Aaron Sorkin is a Harry
>Potter fan?
I doubt it's more than a coincidence. Sports Night got cancelled
before Cho Chang appeared in the Harry Potter books.
Aaron "The Mad Whitaker" Bourque; in fact, I think it got
cancelled before Harry Potter was first published in America.
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Li Ailian
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> I was watching "Sports Night" on comedy central as I do religiously (I
love
> Sports Night ,the best shown that no one watched).
> In the episode called "Special powers" they mention a swimmer named Cho
> Chang( I just caught it this time).
> Is there a real swimmer named Cho Chang?
Chang Cho/Zhang Qiu is a rather common name. I wouldn't doubt it.
Ailian
Fish Eye no Miko
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> "Persival" <nom...@blabla.com> wrote:
>
> > I was watching "Sports Night" on comedy central as I do religiously
> > (I love Sports Night ,the best shown that no one watched).
> > In the episode called "Special powers" they mention a swimmer named
> > Cho Chang( I just caught it this time).
> > Is there a real swimmer named Cho Chang?
>
> Chang Cho/Zhang Qiu is a rather common name. I wouldn't doubt it.
Is it a legitimate name? When I first heard it, I was wondering why she
gave the character two family ("last") names.
Catherine Johnson.
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Sirius Kase
"Fish Eye no Miko" <fis...@deadmoon.circus> wrote:
> "Li Ailian" <pritt...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:bmbvtm$5kj$1...@news3.bu.edu...
>
> > "Persival" <nom...@blabla.com> wrote:
> >
> > > I was watching "Sports Night" on comedy central as I do religiously
> > > (I love Sports Night ,the best shown that no one watched).
> > > In the episode called "Special powers" they mention a swimmer named
> > > Cho Chang( I just caught it this time).
> > > Is there a real swimmer named Cho Chang?
> >
> > Chang Cho/Zhang Qiu is a rather common name. I wouldn't doubt it.
>
> Is it a legitimate name? When I first heard it, I was wondering why she
> gave the character two family ("last") names.
>
> Catherine Johnson.
I've wondered that myself. While Chang is a very common surname, the
most common on earth, I believe, I've never known a Chinese person named
Cho. that's why I'm not sure that Cho is really Chinese, but simply
someone whose family has Chinese roots. Many people have a surname that
implies an enthinicity, but a first name that reflects there own culture
or sometimes their parents' imagination. I believe this is done because
the people involved want to assert the fact that the kid is not Chinese
despite the last name and asian appearance.
Just for fun I just googled on a handful of names, several of the most
common firstnames in American and the last name Chang. They were all
hits, mostly Chinese Americans. then I googled on Cho Chang, all the
hits were the HP character. And then I googled on Cho and got a lot of
hits, all as a surname.
So what is Rowling up to naming Cho this way? I still think that she is
from an ethnic Chinese family that is actually British and has been for
at least a generation. Cho, herself, is 100% British.
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Fish Eye no Miko
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> "Fish Eye no Miko" <fis...@deadmoon.circus> wrote:
> > "Li Ailian" <pritt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Chang Cho/Zhang Qiu is a rather common name. I wouldn't
> > > doubt it.
> >
> > Is it a legitimate name? When I first heard it, I was wondering why
> > she gave the character two family ("last") names.
> >
> I've wondered that myself. While Chang is a very common surname,
> the most common on earth, I believe, I've never known a Chinese
> person named Cho.
The only "Cho" I've heard of is comedian Margaret Cho, who is of Korean
descent.
> So what is Rowling up to naming Cho this way? I still think that she
> is from an ethnic Chinese family that is actually British and has been
> for at least a generation. Cho, herself, is 100% British.
That seems counter-intuitive to me...
Usually, when an Asian is born in the West, they are given a Western first
name (Brandon Lee, Lucy Liu). When I see an Asian with a name that's
completely Asian, they are, more often than not, born in Asia.
My guess? Cho was born in Asia (perhaps Hong Kong, which belonged to
Britain), but her parents moved when she was very young, so she grew up
British.
Catherine Johnson.
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mag3
Cho Chang? in a message dated Sun, 12 Oct 2003 20:30:45 GMT:
>I've wondered that myself. While Chang is a very common surname, the
>most common on earth, I believe, I've never known a Chinese person named
>Cho. that's why I'm not sure that Cho is really Chinese, but simply
>someone whose family has Chinese roots.
In NYC, we have a TV news anchor (ABC) named Liz Cho. For a time, she was on
ABC World News Now between 2-5am so you might have seen her.
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real Cho Chang? in a message dated Sun, 12 Oct 2003 14:36:00 -0700:
>That seems counter-intuitive to me...
>Usually, when an Asian is born in the West, they are given a Western first
>name (Brandon Lee, Lucy Liu). When I see an Asian with a name that's
>completely Asian, they are, more often than not, born in Asia.
>My guess? Cho was born in Asia (perhaps Hong Kong, which belonged to
>Britain), but her parents moved when she was very young, so she grew up
>British.
>
>Catherine Johnson.
They may also choose English names if they imigrate from Asia or come as
resident ailiens and the like. At my firm we have many Chinese who do this
informally (choose an English given name to go with their Chinese Surname - but
their Chinese name is still official (ie. on their paycheck etc.). Besides,
due to the influence of the British in Asia (China, Japan, Thailand etc.) I can
see possibilities for many people of Asian decent to have been born in the UK
and speak perfect British English. Cho among them.
Li Ailian
"Sirius Kase" <siriu...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Qiu/Cho (Autumn) is commonly used in names for girls, actually, though it
sounds more in place combined ("Qiumei," "Qiuhua," etc. -- Zhang Qiumei is
the name of a good friend of mine, though we do typically refer to her as
Zhang Qiu). I will agree, though, that "Cho Chang" does reek of 2G+ (second
generation) Chinese or perhaps of a peasant.
And I sincerly doubt her actually Chinese, unless she were from Taiwan. I've
always assumed her 2G+ instead of fresh off the boat.
Ailian
Li Ailian
"Fish Eye no Miko" <fis...@deadmoon.circus> wrote in message
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> "Sirius Kase" <siriu...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:siriuskase-1A7B0...@news05.east.earthlink.net...
>
> > "Fish Eye no Miko" <fis...@deadmoon.circus> wrote:
> > > "Li Ailian" <pritt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Chang Cho/Zhang Qiu is a rather common name. I wouldn't
> > > > doubt it.
> > >
> > > Is it a legitimate name? When I first heard it, I was wondering why
> > > she gave the character two family ("last") names.
> > >
> > I've wondered that myself. While Chang is a very common surname,
> > the most common on earth, I believe, I've never known a Chinese
> > person named Cho.
>
> The only "Cho" I've heard of is comedian Margaret Cho, who is of Korean
> descent.
>
> > So what is Rowling up to naming Cho this way? I still think that she
> > is from an ethnic Chinese family that is actually British and has been
> > for at least a generation. Cho, herself, is 100% British.
>
> That seems counter-intuitive to me...
> Usually, when an Asian is born in the West, they are given a Western first
> name (Brandon Lee, Lucy Liu).
Not necessarily. 90% of my ethnically Vietnamese friends born in the US were
given (and are referred to with) Vietnamese names; only one of my ethnically
Japanese, US-born friends actually has a Westnern name, though nobody refers
to him using it save professors on the first day of class. Many of my
ethnically Chinese friends have both Western and Chinese names, though by
which they are referred usually depends on the origin of their parents. I've
noticed that those with mainland- and Singapore-born parents' children tend
to use their Chinese names more often, whereas the HK- and Taiwan-born
parents' children tend to use their Western names ("except for when [their]
mother is angry," quote a cousin).
Sirius Kase
mag3 <mag3*hates*spam*@newsguy.com> wrote:
> Quoting Sirius Kase <siriu...@earthlink.net> regarding Re: Is there a real
> Cho Chang? in a message dated Sun, 12 Oct 2003 20:30:45 GMT:
>
>
> >I've wondered that myself. While Chang is a very common surname, the
> >most common on earth, I believe, I've never known a Chinese person named
> >Cho. that's why I'm not sure that Cho is really Chinese, but simply
> >someone whose family has Chinese roots.
>
> In NYC, we have a TV news anchor (ABC) named Liz Cho. For a time, she was on
> ABC World News Now between 2-5am so you might have seen her.
>
I believe I have, but I can't remember her ethnicity, or maybe I've seen
some one else, but Yes, I have seen a news ancho with the surname Cho.
--
Sirius Kase
"The difference between this film and the two other
Sirius Kase
mag3 <mag3*hates*spam*@newsguy.com> wrote:
> Quoting "Fish Eye no Miko" <fis...@deadmoon.circus> regarding Re: Is there a
> real Cho Chang? in a message dated Sun, 12 Oct 2003 14:36:00 -0700:
>
> >That seems counter-intuitive to me...
> >Usually, when an Asian is born in the West, they are given a Western first
> >name (Brandon Lee, Lucy Liu). When I see an Asian with a name that's
> >completely Asian, they are, more often than not, born in Asia.
> >My guess? Cho was born in Asia (perhaps Hong Kong, which belonged to
> >Britain), but her parents moved when she was very young, so she grew up
> >British.
> >
> >Catherine Johnson.
>
> They may also choose English names if they imigrate from Asia or come as
> resident ailiens and the like. At my firm we have many Chinese who do this
> informally (choose an English given name to go with their Chinese Surname -
> but
> their Chinese name is still official (ie. on their paycheck etc.). Besides,
> due to the influence of the British in Asia (China, Japan, Thailand etc.) I
> can
> see possibilities for many people of Asian decent to have been born in the UK
> and speak perfect British English. Cho among them.
>
>
>
Yes, that's very common here, for Asians to choose an American sounding
nickname. that goes for not just Chinese but other asians including
those from the middle east. And some even change their name officially.
Americanization of names was also very common during earlier immigration
waves including some from Europe.
So her name isn't a good clue of her nationality even if it indicates
her ethnicity. But, if she really was Chinese, she wouldn't be at
Hogwarts, it only servies kids from the British Isles, she'd be going to
school in Asia somewhere.
--
Sirius Kase
"The difference between this film and the two other
mag3
Cho Chang? in a message dated Mon, 13 Oct 2003 01:59:55 GMT:
>So her name isn't a good clue of her nationality even if it indicates
>her ethnicity. But, if she really was Chinese, she wouldn't be at
>Hogwarts, it only servies kids from the British Isles, she'd be going to
>school in Asia somewhere.
You mean if she were a Chinese citizen. The people I'm thinking of would all
be UK citizens, and thus entitled to go there.
mag3
>> In NYC, we have a TV news anchor (ABC) named Liz Cho. For a time, she was on
>> ABC World News Now between 2-5am so you might have seen her.
>>
>
>
>I believe I have, but I can't remember her ethnicity, or maybe I've seen
>some one else, but Yes, I have seen a news ancho with the surname Cho.
She seems Asian American to me in re: physical apperance (Chinese to be more
precise). If so, I believe she would be 2G and not Born in China. There are
other Cho's in TV journalism though.
Sirius Kase
mag3 <mag3*hates*spam*@newsguy.com> wrote:
> Quoting Sirius Kase <siriu...@earthlink.net> regarding Re: Is there a real
> Cho Chang? in a message dated Mon, 13 Oct 2003 01:59:55 GMT:
>
> >So her name isn't a good clue of her nationality even if it indicates
> >her ethnicity. But, if she really was Chinese, she wouldn't be at
> >Hogwarts, it only servies kids from the British Isles, she'd be going to
> >school in Asia somewhere.
>
> You mean if she were a Chinese citizen. The people I'm thinking of would all
> be UK citizens, and thus entitled to go there.
>
A citizen of the UK would be British, unless they were dual national
Dragon Friend
> In article <at3kov0qit8kbfdg1...@4ax.com>,
> mag3 <mag3*hates*spam*@newsguy.com> wrote:
>
> > Quoting Sirius Kase <siriu...@earthlink.net> regarding Re: Is there a
real
> > Cho Chang? in a message dated Mon, 13 Oct 2003 01:59:55 GMT:
> >
> > >So her name isn't a good clue of her nationality even if it indicates
> > >her ethnicity. But, if she really was Chinese, she wouldn't be at
> > >Hogwarts, it only servies kids from the British Isles, she'd be going
to
> > >school in Asia somewhere.
> >
> > You mean if she were a Chinese citizen. The people I'm thinking of
would all
> > be UK citizens, and thus entitled to go there.
> >
>
> A citizen of the UK would be British, unless they were dual national
>
> --
> Sirius Kase
>
been British, it was a British colony until fairly recently! Therefore she
could have been of Chinese birth but with British Citizenship!
Dragon Friend
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"Fish Eye no Miko" <fis...@deadmoon.circus> wrote in message
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>
> That seems counter-intuitive to me...
> Usually, when an Asian is born in the West, they are given a Western first
> name (Brandon Lee, Lucy Liu). When I see an Asian with a name that's
> completely Asian, they are, more often than not, born in Asia.
> My guess? Cho was born in Asia (perhaps Hong Kong, which belonged to
> Britain), but her parents moved when she was very young, so she grew up
> British.
>
> Catherine Johnson.
> --
Usually? - no, I'd say not, at least in the UK.
Having had years of working in State Benfits, I've seen a gazillion of names
from the Asian sub continent.
With few exceptions, the names are of a religious or cultural origin.
What happens when such kids got to school is a different matter.
A chap called Rajinder (or "'Jinder" to his younger sister) became known as
"Ginger" on account of cloth eared children in their (family grouped) class.
He's still known as that today.
What happened in the Civil Service in the past is nothing short of
scandalous. Lazy or ignorant or racist people (take your pick) would
"christen" people with unusual names. A young lady with the very elegant
name of "Sunanda" was told by the office manager that "I expect you'll be
called "Sandy"". The name stuck, but on occasion she professed to being
annoyed that the name had been foisted upon her. This practice was common.
"Foreign names being difficult to understand, you see".*
*Coda for the quick tempered - this is called going into character and the
character of one of my old office mamagers is expressing the opinion here.
Will
PS Counter-intuitive? A friend of mine tells me that is corporate speak for
"I didn't expect that to happen"...
Sirius Kase
"Dragon Friend" <Slyt...@hogwarts.edu> wrote:
good point, would she have needed to emigrate before the handover? Or
would they all be dual national Chinese and British?
--
Sirius Kase
袍he difference between this film and the two other
Fish Eye no Miko
> "Dragon Friend" <Slyt...@hogwarts.edu> wrote:
>
> > As was pointed out by Catherine if Cho was born in Hong Kong
> > she would have been British, it was a British colony until fairly
> > recently! Therefore she could have been of Chinese birth but
> > with British Citizenship!
>
> good point, would she have needed to emigrate before the handover?
Wasn't that in '97? And she's first mentioned in PoA, which took place in
'93, so she apparently already had.
Catherine Johnson.
--
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Right now you are reading my .sig quote.
Dragon Friend
> In article <bme4i2$kr3$1...@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk>,
> "Dragon Friend" <Slyt...@hogwarts.edu> wrote:
>
> >
> > As was pointed out by Catherine if Cho was born in Hong Kong she would
have
> > been British, it was a British colony until fairly recently! Therefore
she
> > could have been of Chinese birth but with British Citizenship!
> >
> > Dragon Friend
> > --
>
> good point, would she have needed to emigrate before the handover? Or
> would they all be dual national Chinese and British?
>
> --
> Sirius Kase
>
I believe that any resident who held a British Passport is still classed as
a British Citizen or at the very least has dual citizenship.... I could
however be wrong on that but given the timing of the books and the fact she
is older than Harry she would definitely have been classed as a British
Citizen as Hong Kong only returned to Chinese rule in around 1997 or 1998.
Dragon Friend
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Yes it was around '97 and of course with it being a British Colony she may
have still been living in Hong Kong when she got her Hogwarts Letter, so may
not even have had to emmigrate in order to secure a place :-) Guess she
would have had to floo to the leaky cauldron to get to Diagon Alley and to
be able to catch the Hogwarts Express, if that was the case :-)
Bojan Bugarin
> "Fish Eye no Miko" <fis...@deadmoon.circus> wrote:
>>> good point, would she have needed to emigrate before the handover?
>>
>> Wasn't that in '97? And she's first mentioned in PoA, which took place in
>> '93, so she apparently already had.
<in reply to everyone's posts>
Do we know whether she's a muggleborn? I had the impression that Wizards
aren't listed anywhere in the government files. I guess muggleborns are
until they receive their letter. Why would a citizenship matter, then?
Furthermore, from OotP-12 'Professor Umbridge', p. 208, Bloomsbury:
'Is that a Tornados badge?' Ron demanded suddenly, pointing to the front
of Cho's robes, where a sky-blue badge emblazoned with a double gold 'T'
was pinned. 'You don't support them, do you?'
[...]
'I've supported them since I was six,' said Cho coolly.
This implies that:
1. she's been already living in the UK when she was 6. (Why else would she
support a British Q club?)
2. she isn't a muggleborn. (she knew about Quidditch)
... if her statement is true, of course. ;-)
> Yes it was around '97 and of course with it being a British Colony she may
> have still been living in Hong Kong when she got her Hogwarts Letter, so may
> not even have had to emmigrate in order to secure a place :-)
Hmmm... interesting.
What did JKR mean when she said "Hogwarts just serves Britain and
Ireland."? Did she mean to say "just those two islands" or the whole
country including colonies.
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Frank Ney
"Dragon Friend" <Slyt...@hogwarts.edu> to write:
>I believe that any resident who held a British Passport is still classed as
>a British Citizen or at the very least has dual citizenship.... I could
>however be wrong on that but given the timing of the books and the fact she
>is older than Harry she would definitely have been classed as a British
>Citizen as Hong Kong only returned to Chinese rule in around 1997 or 1998.
It's a very complicated situation with a baker's dozen of conflicting laws.
Some designations gets you a british passport but no right to live in the UK.
I'll have to go looking for that web site again.
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> From: "Persival" nom...@blabla.com
>
> >If not its quite a coincidence. I wonder if Aaron Sorkin is a Harry
> >Potter fan?
>
> I doubt it's more than a coincidence. Sports Night got cancelled
> before Cho Chang appeared in the Harry Potter books.
>
> Aaron "The Mad Whitaker" Bourque; in fact, I think it got
> cancelled before Harry Potter was first published in America.
My wife just came home and announced that one of her university
officemate's students is called "Cho Chang". She's apparently not very
glamorous though.
PE
Sirius Kase
Bojan Bugarin <buga...@panet.co.yu> wrote:
I think it's a geographical thing. I still think of Cho was from Hong
Kong, she'd attend an asian school unless her parents had a strong
preference for Hogwarts. Sorta like the Draco Durmstrang situation.
--
Sirius Kase
"The difference between this film and the two other
The REAL Naminanu
"Paul Esposito" <humani...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> My wife just came home and announced that one of her university
> officemate's students is called "Cho Chang". She's apparently not very
> glamorous though.
>
> PE
Aah, but beauty is in the eye of the broom holder.
Will