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RTJoby

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Nov 10, 2001, 4:29:16 PM11/10/01
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RATE YOUR OPINION:
Obviously, HARRY POTTER will indeed make the list for the Top 10 Movies Of All
Time.
Rate where you think the movie HARRY POTTER will fit in at with the chart
below.
But first NOTE: Almost everyone will automatically WANT to put HARRY POTTER as
number 1. But you need to look at that extremely high number of $$ TITANIC
actually generated in it's first year---as compared to the #2 film below it.
That is indeed a HARD number for any film to beat. HARRY POTTER possibly has
the potential to do it---but the REAL question is---Can It?
You need to keep this in mind---TITANIC was a complete surprise to everyone.
HARRY POTTER isn't. That was the whole basis of TITANIC's success. Nobody
knew that the film was going to do that well until after the movie hit the
screens. In the beginning the average reaction was, "They made ANOTHER
Titanic movie ???" There had just been a not-so-popular TV movie aired of the
story. So there were no high records of advance ticket sells---as HARRY POTTER
is currently sucessfully doing. So one can't necessarily judge that HARRY
POTTER will pass up the movie TITANIC simply based on what the current advanced
ticket sales are doing. All that means is that there will be LESS tickets sold
after the movie is released from those people already having seen it. Sure
many will go back and see it more than once---but that also occurred with
TITANIC as well.

Here are the Top 10 Movies of all time:
1 - Titanic - (1.2 Billion $$ it's first year)
2 - Jurassic Park - ($556 Million)
3 - Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace ($491 Million)
4 - Independence Day
5 - Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope
6 - The Lion King
7 - ET: The Extra-Terrestrial
8 - Forrest Gump
9 - Lost World: The Jurassic Park
10 - Men In Black
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Where do you think HARRY POTTER will fit in?

T. Remington

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Nov 10, 2001, 5:59:05 PM11/10/01
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>
>Here are the Top 10 Movies of all time:

1 - Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's/Philosopher's Stone (1.5 B)
>2 - Titanic - (1.2 Billion $$ it's first year)
>3 - Jurassic Park - ($556 Million)
>4 - Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace ($491 Million)
>5 - Independence Day
>6 - Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope
>7 - The Lion King
>8 - ET: The Extra-Terrestrial
>9 - Forrest Gump
>10 - Lost World: The Jurassic Park

But then, we'll see

T.R.

Iaan Spence

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Nov 10, 2001, 6:54:50 PM11/10/01
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"T. Remington" <tr...@bu.edu> wrote in message
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>
> >
> >Here are the Top 10 Movies of all time:
> 1 The fellowship of the Ring

> >2 - Titanic - (1.2 Billion $$ it's first year)
> >> 3 - Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's/Philosopher's Stone
4 - Jurassic Park - ($556 Million)
> >5 - Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace ($491 Million)
> >6 - Independence Day
> >7 - Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope
> >8 - The Lion King
> >9 - ET: The Extra-Terrestrial
> >10 - Forrest Gump
> and next year you can add Two towers and the following year add The return
of the king. Both above Titanic.
>
> for your consideration
Iaan Spence
>


Igenlode

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Nov 10, 2001, 8:18:45 PM11/10/01
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On 10 Nov 2001 RTJoby wrote:


> Here are the Top 10 Movies of all time:
> 1 - Titanic

> 2 - Jurassic Park


> 3 - Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace

> 4 - Independence Day
> 5 - Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope
> 6 - The Lion King
> 7 - ET: The Extra-Terrestrial
> 8 - Forrest Gump
> 9 - Lost World: The Jurassic Park
> 10 - Men In Black

If 'Phantom Menace', 'Lost World' and 'Titanic' are now classed among
the greatest films of all time...

.oh, so that wasn't how you meant it to sound? :-)
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Lynn

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Nov 11, 2001, 2:17:34 PM11/11/01
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>Here are the Top 10 Movies of all time:
>1 - Titanic - (1.2 Billion $$ it's first year)
>2 - Jurassic Park - ($556 Million)
>3 - Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace ($491 Million)
>4 - Independence Day
>5 - Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope
>6 - The Lion King
>7 - ET: The Extra-Terrestrial
>8 - Forrest Gump
>9 - Lost World: The Jurassic Park
>10 - Men In Black

Umm, where did you get your top 10 list? It's nothing like the one I've got.

From http://www.the-movie-times.com
(Grosses in millions of dollars)
1. Titanic - 1997 ($600)
2. Star Wars - 1977 ($460)
3. The Phantom Menace - 1999 ($431)
4. E.T. - 1982 ($399)
5. Jurassic Park - 1993 ($356)
6. Forrest Gump - 1994 ($329)
7. The Lion King - 1994 ($312)
8. Return of the Jedi - 1983 ($309)
9. Independence Day - 1996 ($306)
10.The Sixth Sense - 1999 ($293)

According to the page:
"The total gross for each movie, is the total North American Box office gross
for each movie including re-releases. Figures . . . only include theater
generated domestic grosses. It does not include things like video rentals and
sales, sales of TV rights, merchandising, etc."

So, I guess we can expect E.T. to move up next spring.

As far as Harry Potter, ummmm, I put my guess at, oh, number 2. I don't think
it will beat Titanic, that was just unbelievable. Locally, it stayed at full
price theatres for 6 months. Unheard of!

But I do think it will have the momentum to surpass Ep. 1. I believe that
movie only did so well because the SW fanatics were seeing it repeatedly. The
general public didn't think it was very good and I know many people who never
saw it simply because they weren't fans of the series. (Kind of funny . . .
since they haven't seen any of the other SW's, they think they won't know
what's going on . . . guess that "Episode 1" title just flew over their heads.)

HP, on the other hand, I think is going to appeal to people who aren't fans
already. Not to mention it is child oriented, so instead of groups of 2 or 3
teens/young adults going to the movie (as with SW), you will get families of
4-5 going together. Parents, who may not have gone to see the movie on their
own, will be buying tickets just to take their kids.

(Not to mention that kids are sneaky! They get their parents to take them one
weekend, then next weekend they get their grandparents to take them, under the
mistaken assumption that the kid hasn't seen the movie yet. I've seen it
happen!)

Lynn - who feels kind of bad that she is not contributing to the grosses since
she gets in free, but will make up for it by convincing everyone she knows to
go see the movie . . . in the evening . . . at full price!
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RTJoby

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Nov 11, 2001, 4:31:29 PM11/11/01
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>>Here are the Top 10 Movies of all time:
>>1 - Titanic - (1.2 Billion $$ it's first year)
>>2 - Jurassic Park - ($556 Million)
>>3 - Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace ($491 Million)
>>4 - Independence Day
>>5 - Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope
>>6 - The Lion King
>>7 - ET: The Extra-Terrestrial
>>8 - Forrest Gump
>>9 - Lost World: The Jurassic Park
>>10 - Men In Black

>Umm, where did you get your top 10 list? It's nothing like the one I've got.
>
>From http://www.the-movie-times.com
>(Grosses in millions of dollars)
>1. Titanic - 1997 ($600)
>2. Star Wars - 1977 ($460)
>3. The Phantom Menace - 1999 ($431)
>4. E.T. - 1982 ($399)
>5. Jurassic Park - 1993 ($356)
>6. Forrest Gump - 1994 ($329)
>7. The Lion King - 1994 ($312)
>8. Return of the Jedi - 1983 ($309)
>9. Independence Day - 1996 ($306)
>10.The Sixth Sense - 1999 ($293)

The Internet Movie Database.
www.imdb.com
Your list is the same exact list that IMDB lists for US sales only. Evidently
only US sales is what the web you got your list from bases it's information on.
You can't go by that with HARRY POTTER since there will be a humongous chunk of
foreign sales as well.


RTJoby

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Nov 11, 2001, 4:41:15 PM11/11/01
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Incidently, I was SHOCKED at your list only showing $600 million in US sales !
WOW and right above Star Wars from 1977 earnings.
Worldwide TITANIC had $1.8 billion---& only $600 million of it comes from
people in the USA ????
Astoundingly stunning.

JazzFiend4

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Nov 11, 2001, 11:43:06 PM11/11/01
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It wont last long...Lord of the Rings comes out a month later and theres
already lines forming up for the movie....but good lucky HP

Raymond Chuang

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Nov 12, 2001, 7:08:56 AM11/12/01
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"JazzFiend4" <jazzf...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> It wont last long...Lord of the Rings comes out a month later and theres
> already lines forming up for the movie....but good lucky HP

I think HARRY POTTER AND THE SORCERER'S STONE by the end of March 2002 will
probably make around US$300 million just in US box office alone. If the
movie does good repeat business, US$450 million is definite not out of the
question.

The first LORD OF THE RINGS movie looks like it's going to be a smash hit,
too. I expect at least US$350 million in b.o. by the end of March 2002.

In short, AOL Time Warner is going to be swimming in box office revenues by
the end of March 2002.

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Mountain View, CA USA


bookattics

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Nov 12, 2001, 12:42:41 PM11/12/01
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Hello, I am new to the list. I originally brought the books for my twin
granddaughters born in April, The more I thought about it the more I thought
I should read them to first and WOW, I loved them. I kept the UK 1ST ed. and
purchased PB for the girls. I can hardly wait for the movie and the next
book. I personally believe they are better than the LR but plan on seeing
both movies, HP for Thanksgiving and LR for Christmas.

What a fun group. I enjoy reading your comments. Keep on writing so I can
keep on LOL.

Patricia


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Lynn

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Nov 12, 2001, 3:11:10 PM11/12/01
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>Incidently, I was SHOCKED at your list only showing $600 million in US
>sales!
>WOW and right above Star Wars from 1977 earnings.
>Worldwide TITANIC had $1.8 billion---& only $600 million of it comes
>from people in the USA ????
>Astoundingly stunning.

It gets worse! In the part of my post that was snipped off, it stated that
this list is North American grosses. So Mexico and Canada weren't pitching in
much, either!
;-)

Lynn

Trev

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Nov 12, 2001, 11:03:47 PM11/12/01
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rtj...@aol.com (RTJoby) wrote in message news:<20011110162916...@mb-cf.aol.com>...

>
> Here are the Top 10 Movies of all time:
> 1 - Titanic - (1.2 Billion $$ it's first year)
> 2 - Jurassic Park - ($556 Million)
> 3 - Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace ($491 Million)
> 4 - Independence Day
> 5 - Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope
> 6 - The Lion King
> 7 - ET: The Extra-Terrestrial
> 8 - Forrest Gump
> 9 - Lost World: The Jurassic Park
> 10 - Men In Black
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Actually the better list is the inflation adjusted list:
Movie Release Year Total gross Adjusted
gross
1 Gone With the Wind* 1939 $198.60 $1,001.69
2 Star Wars* 1977 $461.00 $865.91
3 The Sound of Music 1965 $158.70 $694.99
4 E.T.* 1982 $399.80 $654.36
5 Titanic 1997 $600.80 $639.83
6 The Ten Commandments* 1956 $80.0 $639.32
7 Jaws 1975 $260.00 $625.05
8 Doctor Zhivago 1965 $111.70 $590.96
9 The Jungle Book* 1967 $135.50 $528.65
10 Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs* 1937 $184.90 $518.85
*includes rerelease
from http://www.the-movie-times.com/thrsdir/Top10everad.html (original
source USNWR).

US grosses only.

RTJoby

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Nov 13, 2001, 2:36:07 AM11/13/01
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>Actually the better list is the inflation adjusted list:
> Movie Release Year Total gross Adjusted
>gross
>1 Gone With the Wind* 1939 $198.60 $1,001.69
>2 Star Wars* 1977 $461.00 $865.91
>3 The Sound of Music 1965 $158.70 $694.99
>4 E.T.* 1982 $399.80 $654.36
>5 Titanic 1997 $600.80 $639.83
>6 The Ten Commandments* 1956 $80.0 $639.32
>7 Jaws 1975 $260.00 $625.05
>8 Doctor Zhivago 1965 $111.70 $590.96
>9 The Jungle Book* 1967 $135.50 $528.65
>10 Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs* 1937 $184.90 $518.85
>*includes rerelease
>from http://www.the-movie-times.com/thrsdir/Top10everad.html (original
>source USNWR).
>US grosses only.>

I guess just stating how many tickets each movie sold in order to get those $$
figures doesn't sound as intriguing for them to report on their charts.


Terry Eden

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Nov 13, 2001, 3:52:49 AM11/13/01
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"RTJoby" <rtj...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >Actually the better list is the inflation adjusted list:
<SNIP>

> >from http://www.the-movie-times.com/thrsdir/Top10everad.html (original
> >source USNWR).
> >US grosses only.>
>
> I guess just stating how many tickets each movie sold in order to get
those $$
> figures doesn't sound as intriguing for them to report on their charts.

There are lots of other factors about. There are more cinemas now than
when, say, Jaws was released. People have a higher disposable income.
Even adjusted for inflation, ticket prices are higher. A larger proportion
of a films income now resides in rentals and products - something Gone With
The Wind didn't have.

It's nigh on impossible to say which is the "BEST!!!!" movie of all time -
leave it down to your personal preference - because it would be a very dull
world if we were all the same.

Terry
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Andy Platt

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Nov 13, 2001, 7:49:07 AM11/13/01
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"Terry Eden" <T.E...@deadspam.com> wrote:

> It's nigh on impossible to say which is the "BEST!!!!" movie of all time -
> leave it down to your personal preference - because it would be a very
dull
> world if we were all the same.

Of course, that doesn't stop people trying! imdb have run for a long time
the top-250 as voted on by visitors to imdb. For ages the top film has been
The Godfather - which, I have to confess, I have never seen!!!

Andy.

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Terry Eden

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Nov 13, 2001, 8:34:08 AM11/13/01
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"Andy Platt" <a...@turnip.his.com> wrote in message
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> Of course, that doesn't stop people trying! imdb have run for a long time
> the top-250 as voted on by visitors to imdb. For ages the top film has
been
> The Godfather - which, I have to confess, I have never seen!!!

It's not as good as the book :-)

It's very very faithful, but the book just has the edge.

Iaan Spence

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"Terry Eden" <T.E...@deadspam.com> wrote in message
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> "Andy Platt" <a...@turnip.his.com> wrote in message
> news:3bf116a0$1...@vienna7.his.com...
> > Of course, that doesn't stop people trying! imdb have run for a long
time
> > the top-250 as voted on by visitors to imdb. For ages the top film has
> been
> > The Godfather - which, I have to confess, I have never seen!!!
>
> It's not as good as the book :-)
>
> It's very very faithful, but the book just has the edge.
>
> Terry
>
> --Why is the Godfather so faithful to the book,,,,causecause Puzo also
wrote the screen play. IF Jo had done this.....alot of these disscussions
would cease to exist.
IS>

Terry Eden

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Nov 13, 2001, 10:51:10 AM11/13/01
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"Iaan Spence" <thesp...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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> --Why is the Godfather so faithful to the book,,,,causecause Puzo also
> wrote the screen play. IF Jo had done this.....alot of these disscussions
> would cease to exist.

Yup - but we'd also have a lot lot lot longer to wait for book 5

Terry

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Carol Hague

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Nov 15, 2001, 3:29:46 AM11/15/01
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Iaan Spence <thesp...@sympatico.ca> wrote:


> --Why is the Godfather so faithful to the book,,,,causecause Puzo also
> wrote the screen play. IF Jo had done this.....alot of these disscussions
> would cease to exist.

Possibly - but authors aren't necessarily great screenplay writers, no
matter how good their books are - it's a different skill. Stephen King
is probably the best example - a lot of people think that the film
adaptations he's done of his own books (Maximum Overdrive?) are worse
than the ones other people have done.

I'm not saying that JKR *couldn't* write a good screenplay mind, just
that it's not a given.

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